Sprint to get an iPhone too?

AT&T’s exclusive deal with Apple for the iPhone is coming to a close.  While we have heard that it was originally a 5 year contract, these agreements change often over the life of the contract.  As such, Macrumors.com is pointing to a source it has and says that an iPhone is coming to Sprint, possibly as early as this summer.

Macrumors claims that it first heard about the possibility from someone who works for Sprint in May; they do note that the source is trustworthy but they initially scrubbed off the idea as there seems to be more evidence of Verizon getting the iPhone instead of Sprint.  But, it would make more sense for Apple to open the phone to both Verizon and Sprint to justify the creation of a CDMA iPhone. 

CDMA is primarily used in North America by Verizon and Sprint while AT&T uses the more global friendly GSM.  But, on a global basis, the CDMA market is currently at 480 million users, which for Apple, represents another massive untapped market for the iPhone.

It only makes sense that Apple will bring out a CDMA flavor of the iPhone in the near future.  There is user demand on Verizon and Sprint as some people simply refuse to switch carriers for a specific phone.  The bigger question is not if, but when, when will we see the CDMA iPhone?
 

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Too bad Sprint is an even worse network than AT&T. Sprint is total crap. Dropped calls, bad signal, static ALL THE TIME.

Xilo said,
Too bad Sprint is an even worse network than AT&T. Sprint is total crap. Dropped calls, bad signal, static ALL THE TIME.

Might be where you live.
I get perfect signal where I am, great online speeds, and only pay roughly 65$ for unlimited everything...... Hard to find a provider that can beat that. Of course, the land I live on, we are renting a portion of the land to a cell tower company, named Sprint , so with a cell tower being only a mere 100 yards away, I get amazing speeds and signal always
Can't beat .9mpbs down and .5mpbs upload over regular EVDO signal.

Yeah this is true. I live in Austin. Sprint coverage here is absolutely ****. It's pretty crap where my mom lives too. AT&T rocks here though.

Xilo said,
Yeah this is true. I live in Austin. Sprint coverage here is absolutely ****. It's pretty crap where my mom lives too. AT&T rocks here though.

I live in Austin as well, but have always had good coverage with Sprint. I used to be with T-mobile a while back ago, like 6 years, and it was horrible. But I have only had 1 call dropped due to signal fade, and that was due to the other person, unsure what carrier they use.
It is odd though, that Sprint signal seems to weaken when in the city compared to when on the outskirts of it.

A few of these articles talk about untapped markets... Apple isn't really about expanding it's devices to as many people as it could. At least that's not how it has marketed itself up until the past 5-8 years with the iPod. Seems like a dramatic shift if that's their new direction.

Ever think they are keeping the iPhone unique by not going massive?

Thats good.. I think havin Sprint in this line up is really REALLY good news for us consumers.. Verizon is just too freaking expensive!

Apple gave rights to At&T knowing that the mac herds would buy into this phone no matter what. It is, after all, an Apple product.
Now Apple is being threatened by all these developers offering phones superior to the iphone so Apple needs to saturate the market as best it can. That means going with multiple carriers. I feel that Apple could have done this from the get go but instead chose to stick with the carrier willing to bend over for Apple and take it hard up the you know what. and in the process gouging it's customers for substandard service. Now, they can feel the heat breathing down thier necks so they need to expand.

speedstr3789 said,
Apple gave rights to At&T knowing that the mac herds would buy into this phone no matter what. It is, after all, an Apple product.
Now Apple is being threatened by all these developers offering phones superior to the iphone so Apple needs to saturate the market as best it can. That means going with multiple carriers. I feel that Apple could have done this from the get go but instead chose to stick with the carrier willing to bend over for Apple and take it hard up the you know what. and in the process gouging it's customers for substandard service. Now, they can feel the heat breathing down thier necks so they need to expand.

In the event you have forgotten, US is a small country with some 300+ mill. while the rest of the world is 6+ Billion. Apple sells the iPhone to multiple carriers almost in each country but the US.

When the iPhone eventually moves to Verizon and Sprint, it will start a huge landslide that will keep Android in third. iPhone will most likely overtake BlackBerry at that point. Apple will lose money on the sale of each phone but now they'll have their iAd platform to recoup all of that money (and some). With Apple being able to sell ads on iPhones on three carrier networks, they are going to rake in money hand over fist.

asdavis10 said,
When the iPhone eventually moves to Verizon and Sprint, it will start a huge landslide that will keep Android in third. iPhone will most likely overtake BlackBerry at that point. Apple will lose money on the sale of each phone but now they'll have their iAd platform to recoup all of that money (and some). With Apple being able to sell ads on iPhones on three carrier networks, they are going to rake in money hand over fist.

I think Iphone will stay 2nd, as Android based phones will always offer the consumer more options, and will most likely be the victor in the phone wars. Apple have set themselves up for failure with their current attitude and ways of blocking their consumers from the full market of the internet. Even many of loyal apple followers are starting to see the light.

shakey said,

I think Iphone will stay 2nd, as Android based phones will always offer the consumer more options, and will most likely be the victor in the phone wars. Apple have set themselves up for failure with their current attitude and ways of blocking their consumers from the full market of the internet. Even many of loyal apple followers are starting to see the light.

That makes alot of sense!

shakey said,

I think Iphone will stay 2nd, as Android based phones will always offer the consumer more options, and will most likely be the victor in the phone wars. Apple have set themselves up for failure with their current attitude and ways of blocking their consumers from the full market of the internet. Even many of loyal apple followers are starting to see the light.

It's the same approach that they took with the iPod. Look how that worked out for them. Developers aren't moving away from the platform. It is by far the most lucrative smartphone platform available. And part of the reason is because there is no fragmentation like there is with Android. And as far as I've seen, the average tech-illiterate person has a far harder time operating an Android phone then similar tech-illiterate people have operating an iPhone. That's a hurdle Android will have to overcome. The iPhone has a great reputation of being user friendly. Something that the average consumer likes.

asdavis10 said,

It's the same approach that they took with the iPod. Look how that worked out for them. Developers aren't moving away from the platform. It is by far the most lucrative smartphone platform available. And part of the reason is because there is no fragmentation like there is with Android. And as far as I've seen, the average tech-illiterate person has a far harder time operating an Android phone then similar tech-illiterate people have operating an iPhone. That's a hurdle Android will have to overcome. The iPhone has a great reputation of being user friendly. Something that the average consumer likes.


The Ipod had no real competitors. There were small little companies with so many wanna-bes that really offered nothing like the real Ipod. Zune was really the only other competitor, and it really was not marketed anything near as the Android OS phones.
In the cellphone market though, it is a hugely different story. Not only are there "iphone" knockoffs, but the knockoffs out perform the original in almost every way. There is more of a competition between the phones than any other market. With Android OS phones on every carrier, with specs that make some computers look weak, Apple is on the downward slope.

asdavis10 said,

It's the same approach that they took with the iPod. Look how that worked out for them. Developers aren't moving away from the platform. It is by far the most lucrative smartphone platform available. And part of the reason is because there is no fragmentation like there is with Android. And as far as I've seen, the average tech-illiterate person has a far harder time operating an Android phone then similar tech-illiterate people have operating an iPhone. That's a hurdle Android will have to overcome. The iPhone has a great reputation of being user friendly. Something that the average consumer likes.

The iPod was never challeged...ever. Adroid just last month sold more phones that the iPhone. Adroid in so far as actually competing is still in its infancy. Apple will continue its success but the iPhone will peak later this year early 2011. Android will blow by it and Windows Phone 7 and other will eat at this heals.

shakey said,

The Ipod had no real competitors. There were small little companies with so many wanna-bes that really offered nothing like the real Ipod. Zune was really the only other competitor, and it really was not marketed anything near as the Android OS phones.
In the cellphone market though, it is a hugely different story. Not only are there "iphone" knockoffs, but the knockoffs out perform the original in almost every way. There is more of a competition between the phones than any other market. With Android OS phones on every carrier, with specs that make some computers look weak, Apple is on the downward slope.

Apple on the downward slope? Really? It surely doesn't seem that way every time they release an earnings report. Mac sales continue to rise. And iPhone sales are increasing even faster. The only product line that they're seen declines in are with iPods. And many attribute that to iPhone sales. If you have something that suggests the opposite, I'd love to read it.

asdavis10 said,

Apple on the downward slope? Really? It surely doesn't seem that way every time they release an earnings report. Mac sales continue to rise. And iPhone sales are increasing even faster. The only product line that they're seen declines in are with iPods. And many attribute that to iPhone sales. If you have something that suggests the opposite, I'd love to read it.

I don't like to look at sales figures to determine how something is doing. Apple can sell few products and still do well due to the "cost" of their items. Their market share is what should be the determining factor as far as how good they are doing. In all markets, apple is still not close to being leader.

Edited by shakey, May 24 2010, 8:54pm :

rrode74 said,

The iPod was never challeged...ever. Adroid just last month sold more phones that the iPhone. Adroid in so far as actually competing is still in its infancy. Apple will continue its success but the iPhone will peak later this year early 2011. Android will blow by it and Windows Phone 7 and other will eat at this heals.

Android did not outsell the iPhone. That survey (not hard sales data) didn't take corporate sales into consideration.

shakey said,

I don't like to look at sales figures to determine how something is doing. Apple can sell few products and still do well due to the "cost" of their items. Their market share is what should be the determining factor as far as how good they are doing. In all markets, apple is still not close to being leader.

So what do you look at to determine that they are "on the downward slope"? Certainly you form that opinion based on something factual. Or maybe you don't. I think everyone knows that Nokia is king as far as global sales are concerned but this story is in relation to Sprint, a US carrier. So I would think we would frame this discussion around that. And in the US, Apple is close to being the leader. But the fact is, Apple is not just selling few iPhones and making a lot of money on the margins. They are selling a lot of iPhones.

asdavis10 said,

So what do you look at to determine that they are "on the downward slope"? Certainly you form that opinion based on something factual. Or maybe you don't. I think everyone knows that Nokia is king as far as global sales are concerned but this story is in relation to Sprint, a US carrier. So I would think we would frame this discussion around that. And in the US, Apple is close to being the leader. But the fact is, Apple is not just selling few iPhones and making a lot of money on the margins. They are selling a lot of iPhones.

Market Percentage.... same way the law looks at how to decide when a business is eligible to be screwed over by government regulations lol.

Android did outsell them in the market. Corporate sales? Do you have a graph that shows Corporate sales between Iphone AND Android?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money...ndroid_outsells_iphone.html
http://www.technewsdaily.com/g...droid-outsells-iphone-0539/
http://www.osnews.com/story/23...d_Outsells_iPhone_in_the_US
http://moneywatch.bnet.com/eco...t-to-buy-a-smart-phone/499/


many many more reports about it, just gotta google a little....

Edited by shakey, May 24 2010, 8:36pm :

shakey said,

Market Percentage.... same way the law looks at how to decide when a business is eligible to be screwed over by government regulations lol.

Android did outsell them in the market. Corporate sales? Do you have a graph that shows Corporate sales between Iphone AND Android?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money...ndroid_outsells_iphone.html
http://www.technewsdaily.com/g...droid-outsells-iphone-0539/
http://www.osnews.com/story/23...d_Outsells_iPhone_in_the_US
http://moneywatch.bnet.com/eco...t-to-buy-a-smart-phone/499/


many many more reports about it, just gotta google a little....

I do not have a graph to show that. But why does everyone keep pointing to NPD's report? It was based on a survey. Not supply chain checks with manufacturers, distributors, or even retail outlets. All those links you gave pointed to the same NPD report. It surveyed only 40,000 people. And it did not survey corporate customers. And without a graph, I think it's safe to say they Android doesn't even come close to penetrating the corporate sector like the iPhone does. While Android sales might have surpassed iPhone sales among consumers, there are no hard facts to suggest that. Only one NPD survey. Hardly factual.

Apple needs to get their phones on other carriers sooner than later. The exclusive contract with AT&T might have helped both initially, but with the growing Android market share and new windows phones around the corner, it's going to start hurting Apple a lot more than AT&T (who gets to carry all flavors and reap all the rewards, at this point).

thornz0 said,
Apple needs to get their phones on other carriers sooner than later. The exclusive contract with AT&T might have helped both initially, but with the growing Android market share and new windows phones around the corner, it's going to start hurting Apple a lot more than AT&T (who gets to carry all flavors and reap all the rewards, at this point).

Android is the ONLY reason Apple will bail on ATT and their crap network, too bad it's already too late for them

z0phi3l said,

Android is the ONLY reason Apple will bail on ATT and their crap network, too bad it's already too late for them

Thats such BS. ATT is ok where I live. And its NOT late for them at all..

The Main reason for this is a higher customer base. I think Apple has done well with just 1 product!. Whereas Andriod = 10+ handsets.. + tablets. etc..

Verizon + Sprint.. = nearly the whole of US.. switching over to them could really put a dent in Andriod's Market. (not a huge dent, but a dent)- Thats a fact!..

Also, a good lesson for AT&T if apple makes this move. Their ads are really starting to get lame.. they should focus on being more productive and offering more to the consumer rather than sucking the life outta them!

Edited by dimithrak, May 24 2010, 3:32pm :

z0phi3l said,

Android is the ONLY reason Apple will bail on ATT and their crap network, too bad it's already too late for them

Too late in what way? I spend one full day a week working with a guy who has a the Motorola Droid on Verizon. He spends most of his day restarting his phone, charging it, and then asking to see my iPhone. I think there are quite a few of the non-techy types that got a android simply because its the most iphone-like phone available to them without changing carriers.

dimithrak said,

Thats such BS. ATT is ok where I live. And its NOT late for them at all..

The Main reason for this is a higher customer base. I think Apple has done well with just 1 product!. Whereas Andriod = 10+ handsets.. + tablets. etc..

Verizon + Sprint.. = nearly the whole of US.. switching over to them could really put a dent in Andriod's Market. (not a huge dent, but a dent)- Thats a fact!..

Also, a good lesson for AT&T if apple makes this move. Their ads are really starting to get lame.. they should focus on being more productive and offering more to the consumer rather than sucking the life outta them!

They did well at the beginning due to the lack of this other type of phone. Now with Android phones on all carriers, with their prices being fairly low, it will outsell the Iphone with ease. If Apple doesn't lose their mightier than though attitude, they will end back up where they started, obscurity.
And destruct, I have the same story, but mines goes opposite, of my iphone friends wanting my new android os, and them not liking how closed off they are from what the internet has to offer.
To each their own, but a platform that offers more for less will normally win, and that right now is the android os. Cheaper prices, cheaper carrier plans, flexibility to go to any carrier and do almost anything you want with the phone, and constant updates ( though those can depend on the carrier and how quick they are to adapt to new software )

KeR said,
I could see a 4G iPhone on Sprint, since AT&T is lacking in that department.
Then there'd be a $10 "premium data service" fee on that too.

Silverskull said,
Then there'd be a $10 "premium data service" fee on that too.

Haha, that'd be great! I'm only paying Sprint $5/month for unlimited 3G as it is. As long as I could buy it out of contract I would be soo happy.

As I said on the forums. I would be extremely happy if this happened, due to the fact there would be more competition in the market. Sprint already has cheap plans so that's another + and 4G.

Now if this does come to Sprint, I have to decide to buy a WinPhone 7 Phone or the new iPhone...only time will tell.

Tech Star said,
As I said on the forums. I would be extremely happy if this happened, due to the fact there would be more competition in the market. Sprint already has cheap plans so that's another + and 4G.

Now if this does come to Sprint, I have to decide to buy a WinPhone 7 Phone or the new iPhone...only time will tell.

I don't think it would be 4g yet as vzw will use LTE and sprint uses wimax; unless apple builds a third model.

Tech Star said,
As I said on the forums. I would be extremely happy if this happened, due to the fact there would be more competition in the market. Sprint already has cheap plans so that's another + and 4G.

Now if this does come to Sprint, I have to decide to buy a WinPhone 7 Phone or the new iPhone...only time will tell.

I'm not in the US, so I can't see fist hand the differences between AT&T and Sprint (though I'm seeing strong arguments that Sprint are better in many ways..) but why would you even consider WiMo7? Few developers will want to develop for it, everyone's dissapointed in how its going to turn out, and I think everyone expects it to go down the route of the previous versions of WiMo (the more recent ones anyway - as soon as there was any roughly decent competition everyone ran away from it like it was a house on fire). At least consider android, the platform has a decent app environment, and is going at a pretty impressive developement pace.

GeekTwo said,

I'm not in the US, so I can't see fist hand the differences between AT&T and Sprint (though I'm seeing strong arguments that Sprint are better in many ways..) but why would you even consider WiMo7? Few developers will want to develop for it, everyone's dissapointed in how its going to turn out, and I think everyone expects it to go down the route of the previous versions of WiMo (the more recent ones anyway - as soon as there was any roughly decent competition everyone ran away from it like it was a house on fire). At least consider android, the platform has a decent app environment, and is going at a pretty impressive developement pace.

I think its worth while jumping in here just to say.. this isin't any sort of fanboy related rant, I just think its worth while commenting, another great example is WiMo 6.5, they shouldn't even have relased it, With iPhone you get a huge app environment, Android provides innovation at the speed of light (assuming you get a nexus one, as opposed to a vendor-skinned version) and blackberrys... well BB's are just sexy (in an office secratary kinda way). WiMo brings nothing, just a bad aftertaste, a complete start from scratch (why they couldn't have build on the 6.5 apps, I don't know, hell they could at least emulate them).

Eitherways, no fanboyisms here, I just think WiMo will be a waste of cash.. however, I'll happily eat these words with BBQ sauce if it does turn to be an epic OS.

GeekTwo said,

I think its worth while jumping in here just to say.. this isin't any sort of fanboy related rant, I just think its worth while commenting, another great example is WiMo 6.5, they shouldn't even have relased it, With iPhone you get a huge app environment, Android provides innovation at the speed of light (assuming you get a nexus one, as opposed to a vendor-skinned version) and blackberrys... well BB's are just sexy (in an office secratary kinda way). WiMo brings nothing, just a bad aftertaste, a complete start from scratch (why they couldn't have build on the 6.5 apps, I don't know, hell they could at least emulate them).

Eitherways, no fanboyisms here, I just think WiMo will be a waste of cash.. however, I'll happily eat these words with BBQ sauce if it does turn to be an epic OS.

Wow, it hasn't even been released yet and has shown to be an incredible OS. This is nothing but hate, this isn't justified at all and was completely off-topic. If he wants a Windows Phone, maybe it is because it offers Xbox Live games and Facebook/Twitter integration. Did everybody forget that it isn't just the UI but it's also Xbox Live that makes it even more complete. Android is far away from the gaming competition, Apple has showed it is building a social network for gaming, and Google never showed anything.

We Windows Phone believers want a good experience, Office for Windows Phone 7, Xbox Live for Windows Phone 7, Metro UI designed Windows Phone 7 ---is what we want. We don't want Metro UI redesigned for borders like most want, we don't want Metro UI turned 360 degrees to have icons and little to no text, we don't want a full multitasking that offers no flexibility on a small device with little battery life compared to a laptop. The hubs offer tons of APIs and libraries for allowing multitasking within the entire OS itself and saves battery life dramatically.

So I would suggest you stay on topic and stop spreading your hate around because it's all based on the older Windows Mobile and what you like and completely not justified at all.

Electric Jolt said,

So I would suggest you stay on topic and stop spreading your hate around because it's all based on the older Windows Mobile and what you like and completely not justified at all.

It's his opinion, and he's entitled to state it. IMHO, I could care less about every single talking point you state in support of WinMo 7. I think it's shaping up to be an overdesigned clunky mess, like most other products that Microsoft tries to 'innovate'.

GeekTwo said,

I think its worth while jumping in here just to say.. this isin't any sort of fanboy related rant, I just think its worth while commenting, another great example is WiMo 6.5, they shouldn't even have relased it, With iPhone you get a huge app environment, Android provides innovation at the speed of light (assuming you get a nexus one, as opposed to a vendor-skinned version) and blackberrys... well BB's are just sexy (in an office secratary kinda way). WiMo brings nothing, just a bad aftertaste, a complete start from scratch (why they couldn't have build on the 6.5 apps, I don't know, hell they could at least emulate them).

Eitherways, no fanboyisms here, I just think WiMo will be a waste of cash.. however, I'll happily eat these words with BBQ sauce if it does turn to be an epic OS.

You do know that Windows Phone 7 is NOT Windows Mobile? Its the Zune HD OS only enhanced and with a phone now. In fact Microsoft is offering classes on how to PORT your Windows Mobile Apps and how to do it, since they wont AT ALL run on Windows Phone 7.

Like the Zune or not its interface is very nice, a lot nicer than the current iPhone interface. Couple that will MILLIONS of .NET developers and finally a real Apps Store from Microsoft, I think there is a chance for Windows Phone to succeed.

Keep an open mind and I guarantee it will help you some day.

rrode74 said,

You do know that Windows Phone 7 is NOT Windows Mobile? Its the Zune HD OS only enhanced and with a phone now. In fact Microsoft is offering classes on how to PORT your Windows Mobile Apps and how to do it, since they wont AT ALL run on Windows Phone 7.

Like the Zune or not its interface is very nice, a lot nicer than the current iPhone interface. Couple that will MILLIONS of .NET developers and finally a real Apps Store from Microsoft, I think there is a chance for Windows Phone to succeed.

Keep an open mind and I guarantee it will help you some day.

There's no hope for convincing these people. It's the Vista phenomenon all over again. People see a few bullet points and screen shots and decide Microsoft has abandoned the universe and spew hateful talking points with absolutely zero hands-on experience with the device. It's a childish attitude, defended on the sole grounds of being "his opinion", despite the simple fact that when someone has an opinion based on falsehoods, there's nothing wrong with pointing out those falsehoods.

It goes back to reminding me of the iPad. A device that many people thought GOOD things about before it was released based on assumptions (full Mac OS), just to have the vast majority of those hopes dashed at release, ultimately led to a whole fanbase deciding to love it anyway. Yet WinPho7, a device many people have decided to hate before release, has many of those same people proclaiming there is absolutely NOTHING Microsoft could possibly do to change their opinions.

The reality is simple: when people decide to hate a Microsoft product, they are going to hate it, because they have some bizarre deep-seated anger rooted in some past failure they've blamed Microsoft for.

/it's largely ignored that WinPho7 will undoubtedly have the best documenting editing tools across the entire smartphone market, and the best implementations of MS technologies (exchange). android is only loved because of customizability (despite that meaning little more than essentially a standard PC desktop: icon grid and widgets) and the world freaks out at the 'lightning-fast evolutionary pace' when a whole new 'dot' release comes along with built-in wifi hotspot (a fully open platform--where previously market-offered competitive apps are going to become obsolete!), and a new component update system that DOESN'T include the kernel is heralded as finally putting an end to fragmentation

Edited by Joshie, May 24 2010, 9:17pm :

Joshie said,

There's no hope for convincing these people. It's the Vista phenomenon all over again. People see a few bullet points and screen shots and decide Microsoft has abandoned the universe and spew hateful talking points with absolutely zero hands-on experience with the device. It's a childish attitude, defended on the sole grounds of being "his opinion", despite the simple fact that when someone has an opinion based on falsehoods, there's nothing wrong with pointing out those falsehoods.

It goes back to reminding me of the iPad. A device that many people thought GOOD things about before it was released based on assumptions (full Mac OS), just to have the vast majority of those hopes dashed at release, ultimately led to a whole fanbase deciding to love it anyway. Yet WinPho7, a device many people have decided to hate before release, has many of those same people proclaiming there is absolutely NOTHING Microsoft could possibly do to change their opinions.

The reality is simple: when people decide to hate a Microsoft product, they are going to hate it, because they have some bizarre deep-seated anger rooted in some past failure they've blamed Microsoft for.

/it's largely ignored that WinPho7 will undoubtedly have the best documenting editing tools across the entire smartphone market, and the best implementations of MS technologies (exchange). android is only loved because of customizability (despite that meaning little more than essentially a standard PC desktop: icon grid and widgets) and the world freaks out at the 'lightning-fast evolutionary pace' when a whole new 'dot' release comes along with built-in wifi hotspot (a fully open platform--where previously market-offered competitive apps are going to become obsolete!), and a new component update system that DOESN'T include the kernel is heralded as finally putting an end to fragmentation

I just hate the layout of the phone and how everything seems all crammed into each other. I have read little about what it can actually do or not, but I have heard some discussion about it being a sort of "closed" system.

Destructoid said,

It's his opinion, and he's entitled to state it. IMHO, I could care less about every single talking point you state in support of WinMo 7. I think it's shaping up to be an overdesigned clunky mess, like most other products that Microsoft tries to 'innovate'.

What did you want... I don't understand how Android is some screaming success for many on Neowin when it has little innovation... The quality of the Windows Phones to run Windows Phone 7 are going to be fantastic and the OS is going to need it since it will have a great graphics system for Xbox Live, Metro UI, and the animations/transitions for the Silverlight apps.

What are you going to do with the hardware for an Android phone? Absolutely nothing... It has almost no games compared to the iPhone OS and Google has shown true love to HTML5 like it completely wants to abandon a true innovative experience. I'm sorry but Google wants nothing but standards... The complete opposite of innovation.

The iPhone doesn't really do any harm in innovation. It's the restrictions and arrogance Apple has that made the iPhone OS a terrible experience. But the quality of this new operating system and the phones it will use all show how high quality and innovative the experience will be.

Windows Phone 7 will lead the way with social networking integration, hubs multitasking, Xbox Live, the Metro UI, etc. Xbox Live is a huge part of the upcoming success because the games will run on high quality phones and developed using high quality developer tools. Android is unmanaged code, which makes it a mess, yes it can be useful in situations, but the developer tools are great for Windows Phone 7 and put everything you really can develop in organized managed code, making it more efficent therefore a smoother experience.

Electric Jolt said,

Wow, it hasn't even been released yet and has shown to be an incredible OS. This is nothing but hate, this isn't justified at all and was completely off-topic. If he wants a Windows Phone, maybe it is because it offers Xbox Live games and Facebook/Twitter integration. Did everybody forget that it isn't just the UI but it's also Xbox Live that makes it even more complete. Android is far away from the gaming competition, Apple has showed it is building a social network for gaming, and Google never showed anything.

We Windows Phone believers want a good experience, Office for Windows Phone 7, Xbox Live for Windows Phone 7, Metro UI designed Windows Phone 7 ---is what we want. We don't want Metro UI redesigned for borders like most want, we don't want Metro UI turned 360 degrees to have icons and little to no text, we don't want a full multitasking that offers no flexibility on a small device with little battery life compared to a laptop. The hubs offer tons of APIs and libraries for allowing multitasking within the entire OS itself and saves battery life dramatically.

So I would suggest you stay on topic and stop spreading your hate around because it's all based on the older Windows Mobile and what you like and completely not justified at all.

Seriously, if it was a hate rant, I'd have been much more committal with my statements, and as I mentioned at the end, I'll be happy to eat my words if Wp7 turns out to be awesome.

It just looks like its going down the route of the Pre, the "this looks awesome" then "oo, its out" then "erm.. I'm not buying that till there's apps for it" kinda problem Palm had. Its the catch 22 of platform launching, people won't write apps for it untill people have it, and people won't buy it untill there's apps for it, apple got round this by being apple, fanboys in there many queued to get them, Palm's starting to get there a little, android got there by being different to apple in as many ways as possible, I'm just not sure that microsoft's drumming up enough excitment (though they did get their dev tools out before the phone unlike palm so that should help).

I'm a former WiMo user, from the Pocket PC days, right up to 6.1, so I'm not ignorently ranting, and I really hope WP7 is better than 6.5, and hopefully they don't market it with those 8 second ads we're getting in the UK, which were terrible.

Either ways, don't take my words as anger, or ranting, Its just an opinion, and I'm quite open to that opinion being changed with sufficent evidence