Steve Jobs knew about iPhone 4 reception issue

The iPhone 4 antenna issue should have been no surprise to Apple. Bloomberg, citing a source that wished to remain anonymous, reports that Apple senior antenna expert and chief engineer Ruben Caballero informed CEO Steve Jobs of the potential reception issue early on in the design phases of the record-breaking phone. In a controversial and innovative design statement, the metal antenna on the iPhone wraps around the thin edge of the phone, and is external. According to Apple, this decision made the phone lighter and thinner than other phones of the competition. It also gave the phone a unique industrial look that is a departure from most smartphone designs on the market.

Apparently, the engineering flaws of this design were voiced early on. Bloomberg has tried to contact Apple spokesman Steve Dowling for comment and was told that Caballero would not be allowed to answer questions on the subject.

As we inch closer to the much anticipated Apple press conference tomorrow regarding the iPhone 4, this new piece of bad news will only exacerbate the steadily mounting pessimism in the market. Apple’s stock, while initially bolstered by record-breaking sales at the release of the iPhone 4, has been under marked pressure as the criticisms keep pouring in and respected companies like Consumer Reports fall back from their initial optimism about the device. For a company that prides itself on product image, the iPhone 4 doesn’t seem to be helping image much, and it seems Apple is paying the proverbial price for its failures.  

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guys you forgetting on thing not all smart phones or iphones can be 100 percent perfect and I think that what the consumers thinks when they buy them and yes maybe steve knew about the problem and maybe it was not as widespread earlier.But I am guessing steve will fix this no matter what either a recall or by refunding people or etc.But I think people are taking this way too seriously it just a phone guys. Again not all technology is going to be perfect even if they have no problems when it was being made.

I doubt the story is true. If Apple knew it before release, given it is such big a design flaw, why Apple would greenlight production? I would say Apple only realized how serious this is after release. and this is not Steve Jobs fault. it's Apple's design and testing team's fault. but he is the one to blame, only because it is his job to take credits or blames of others. it is strange Apple didn't catch the mistake earlier, which should alert Apple's management two things:
1. the company is so obsessed with product secrecy, even to sacrifice necessary product testing
2. Group thinking among management, even the design teams


Steve jobs is someone who just so narrow minded and deceptive to his consumers and thinks he can bs his way through his job and life and now he's getting his mouthful of complaints and lost customers,I have said this numerous times. Steve jobs I present to you the slow and painful death of Apple Inc.

Xypro said,

Steve jobs is someone who just so narrow minded and deceptive to his consumers and thinks he can bs his way through his job and life and now he's getting his mouthful of complaints and lost customers,I have said this numerous times. Steve jobs I present to you the slow and painful death of Apple Inc.

They won't die. They will shrink for another decade or so into obscurity and then they will invent another product that no one knew they needed.

Who cares about Steve-o anymore tbh. He's a relic, a has-been, and worst of all - the epitomie of current corporate greed and a sellout to boot. He actually has more of a negative effect on technology than his ego will allow him to understand.

Apple's biggest PR and technology failing going forward is Steve Jobs.

Of course Steve Fail jobs knew of it and he figured that with the right words he could make the IPhone4 sound good and any issues that would come up he could give an excuse instead of being honest and admit that he knew about the issue yet chose to ignore it and he wanted to cash in on millions of dollars which only proves to me why i dislike all apple products and i especialy do not like Steve Jobs one bit, he is an arrogant sob who lies to get what he wants, if he wants people to like him and all he needs to be honest and be fair and stop making lame excuses and step up and be a man and anyone who says he is wonderful n all needs there head examined like Lamp0 for example... he is not a wonderful man he is a lying, cheating low life scumbag who only cares about his pockets getting larger and he don't care about anyone else and if someone tries to take that away from him he sues them and puts them in jail which is dumb, Steve jobs needs to change his ways.

So this explains why Apple just hired new antenna engineers.... after the head one told Jobs it wouldnt work, Jobs then fires all them except the head one to turn them all into Yes men that say what ever Jobs wants but keeps the head to keep it from looking like a major team change.... *lol* jk

neufuse said,
So this explains why Apple just hired new antenna engineers.... after the head one told Jobs it wouldnt work, Jobs then fires all them except the head one to turn them all into Yes men that say what ever Jobs wants but keeps the head to keep it from looking like a major team change.... *lol* jk

There's a hint of truth in that!

Ugh, every comment I read always has the same trash talk tone to it. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a product the second there's a problem. Before passing judgement on a product try using it yourself first. There's a reason after all that the iPhone 4 is still very hard to buy in shops.
I love how we all know that companies have software bugs/security holes but refuse to accept that its possible to have hardware problems. Toyota cars, DELL batteries, Sony chargers etc anyone?
I also love how everyone believes everything they read. Anonymous sources are so trustworthy afterall...

For those that might think I am, I am NOT an iPhone 4 owner, nor do I actually like, the money grabbing company that is, Apple.

what said,
What are you talking about? It's a flawed design, everybody knows it.

Not only is it a flawed design, it was the very feature that Jobs touted as "brilliant engineering".

Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a product the second there's a problem.

It's not a problem. It is THE problem. A phone that can't do calls when it is hold in a certain manner. If it was a Toyota car that would turn off when sit in a certain way, I would guess people would react the same way.

I love how we all know that companies have software bugs/security holes but refuse to accept that its possible to have hardware problems.

Well, they are whole different situations. Software Bugs and security holes usually do not prevent users from using the equipment, whilst a hardware issue will.

Anonymous sources are so trustworthy afterall...

You know Bloomberg is a respectable news outlet right? And you know that journalists usually use "anonymous source" as a way to protect a person identity that is giving information (probably it was someone very close to the engineer that gave the info and does not want him to get any pay back from Apple).

SK[ said,]Ugh, every comment I read always has the same trash talk tone to it. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a product the second there's a problem. Before passing judgement on a product try using it yourself first. There's a reason after all that the iPhone 4 is still very hard to buy in shops.
I love how we all know that companies have software bugs/security holes but refuse to accept that its possible to have hardware problems. Toyota cars, DELL batteries, Sony chargers etc anyone?
I also love how everyone believes everything they read. Anonymous sources are so trustworthy afterall...

For those that might think I am, I am NOT an iPhone 4 owner, nor do I actually like, the money grabbing company that is, Apple.

Acceptance is the first step to recovery. I know I wouldn't hate you any more if you were an iPhone 4 owner.

SK[ said,]Ugh, every comment I read always has the same trash talk tone to it. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a product the second there's a problem. Before passing judgement on a product try using it yourself first. There's a reason after all that the iPhone 4 is still very hard to buy in shops.
I love how we all know that companies have software bugs/security holes but refuse to accept that its possible to have hardware problems. Toyota cars, DELL batteries, Sony chargers etc anyone?
I also love how everyone believes everything they read. Anonymous sources are so trustworthy afterall...

For those that might think I am, I am NOT an iPhone 4 owner, nor do I actually like, the money grabbing company that is, Apple.

Right, because in this day and age, this economy, with jobs being lost left and right, with banks only now starting to become honest again, GOD FORBID that we'd want our hardware to do what it's supposed to and be more or less perfect, especially when its on its 4th generation and has a reputation for being reliable (this goes for the Prius as well)

SK[ said,]Ugh, every comment I read always has the same trash talk tone to it. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a product the second there's a problem. Before passing judgement on a product try using it yourself first. There's a reason after all that the iPhone 4 is still very hard to buy in shops.
I love how we all know that companies have software bugs/security holes but refuse to accept that its possible to have hardware problems. Toyota cars, DELL batteries, Sony chargers etc anyone?
I also love how everyone believes everything they read. Anonymous sources are so trustworthy afterall...

For those that might think I am, I am NOT an iPhone 4 owner, nor do I actually like, the money grabbing company that is, Apple.


Welcome to Windows Vista circa early 2007

SK[ said,]Ugh, every comment I read always has the same trash talk tone to it. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a product the second there's a problem. Before passing judgement on a product try using it yourself first.

Are you talking about Windows Vista? Then I agree with you!

Oh, you meant Apple, too? Biased much?

Of course he did.... you dont go thru x number of months of internal testing and NOT notice a flaw that obvious. He just figured, his loyal Apple fans would love it even if it had a big flaw.... Either that or he just decided it was time to **** his customers over like MS does....

Sawyer12 said,
Im seriously thinking about getting an Android, I do love the iPhone 4 Design though! Dreadful Apple! Dreadful!

You love a technically flawed design?

bj55555 said,

You love a technically flawed design?

I get the point that you're trying to grind in, but I'm pretty sure design just means that...design.

LiquidSolstice said,

I get the point that you're trying to grind in, but I'm pretty sure design just means that...design.

aesthetics rather than design.

cpu said,
Week(s) of bad news about Apple on Neowin. Was an apple eaten by a worm?

No, just people are finally starting to taste how rotten the apple really is.

lordcanti86 said,
Apparently Steve Jobs didn't think that people would actually try to use the iPhone 4 to......make phone calls.

A phone you can make phone calls on. What a neat idea. That'll be the iPhone 5

I guess Apple forgot about how extreme arrogance can (and will) almost bankrupt a company. The FDIV bug in the Pentium Processor, back in the 1990's is the perfect example.

if you check out walt mossbergs first pre review of the phone he mentions this problem and that the reply was that there was a firmware update that will be made available to correct the bars displaying properly..... this was about 3 months ago !!!!

Anyone else find this ironic: Apple never has released a case before. For the iPhone 4, that has a hardware design flaw, they release a rubber 'case' to just cover the metal parts exposed, then sell the said $.50 case for $30.

There is a good reason why I don't buy Apple products, they charge obscene amounts of money for something which should cost you 1/4 of the price. I bet he will sell it off as iBand. A good looking phone to be surrounded by an expensive condom. Nice.

mileshale said,
A good looking phone to be surrounded by an expensive condom. Nice.

It's an *insulator*. Electrical tape would work just as well - and preserve that "industrial look" referred to in the article.

Keep in mind, that obscene amount of money funds the advertising that carves out a valuable niche for Mac users. They're the sort of people who fall over themselves to empty their wallets based on puffery and spin. It takes a lot of money to look that naive - er, I mean "magical".

Neb Okla said,

It's an *insulator*. Electrical tape would work just as well - and preserve that "industrial look" referred to in the article.

Keep in mind, that obscene amount of money funds the advertising that carves out a valuable niche for Mac users. They're the sort of people who fall over themselves to empty their wallets based on puffery and spin. It takes a lot of money to look that naive - er, I mean "magical".

such as?

How not surprising, of course he knew about it. I doubt that such a big problem could just go unnoticed in such a big company.

I dont like Apple and dont have an iPhone and probably wont get one ever. If Apples solution will be giving free cases for the iPhone than it's a disgrace, what about people that dont want to have their iPhone in a case?!

I hope for them and the people that got the iPhone with the problem that the phone will be replaced for free.

The problem is that no matter what happens with this company, there are those Apple fanatics that will keep supporting them no matter what!

Remember people these are "reports". Bloomberg never said that Cabalerro spoke directly to them. For all they know someone could have worked at Apple corporate and decided they wanted to call up and say this. Until the source is verified, I don't believe this.

giantsnyy said,
Remember people these are "reports". Bloomberg never said that Cabalerro spoke directly to them. For all they know someone could have worked at Apple corporate and decided they wanted to call up and say this. Until the source is verified, I don't believe this.
Verified or not, the simple implication is enough to sway customers and tarnish their image. While Jobs and company might be able to please investors and recover some of their stock price, the damage is done if something doesn't happen that makes customers happy and forgive the company.

This isn't unique to Apple, I'd say this problem and the importance of company reactions to both investors and customers is crucial for any business out there. Apple just happens to have been riding an incredible wave of customer favoritism for some time now. Which makes this bit of news/rumor/speculation even more damaging to Apple (potentially).

giantsnyy said,
Remember people these are "reports". Bloomberg never said that Cabalerro spoke directly to them. For all they know someone could have worked at Apple corporate and decided they wanted to call up and say this. Until the source is verified, I don't believe this.

+1.

giantsnyy said,
Remember people these are "reports". Bloomberg never said that Cabalerro spoke directly to them. For all they know someone could have worked at Apple corporate and decided they wanted to call up and say this. Until the source is verified, I don't believe this.

So you honestly believe that the Apple engineers know nothing about antennas and had no idea they were shipping a faulty product? Or that they would not bring such a major issue to Job's attention?

omnicoder said,

So you honestly believe that the Apple engineers know nothing about antennas and had no idea they were shipping a faulty product? Or that they would not bring such a major issue to Job's attention?

They won't believe it unless Jobs specifically tells them it's true.

omnicoder said,

So you honestly believe that the Apple engineers know nothing about antennas and had no idea they were shipping a faulty product? Or that they would not bring such a major issue to Job's attention?

It has not been demonstrated to be a "faulty" product, contrary to all the FUD and propaganda out there. Unscientific tests by blogs does not a faulty product make. Consumer Reports testing has been debunked: http://www.appleinsider.com/ar...phone_4_testing_flawed.html

I love all the "experts" coming out of the woodwork saying how things are wrong when there simply is no evidence to support it. In fact, a range of cell phones lose signal strength when held near the bottom with a clenched fist...http://www.appleinsider.com/ar...grip_gets_called_on_it.html

How about we see what Apple says...if they come out and lie, they open themselves up for massive lawsuits and loss of reputation. Of course no matter what they say, the anti-apple crowd will still complain just like they do every other day

speckles said,

It has not been demonstrated to be a "faulty" product, contrary to all the FUD and propaganda out there. Unscientific tests by blogs does not a faulty product make. Consumer Reports testing has been debunked: http://www.appleinsider.com/ar...phone_4_testing_flawed.html

I love all the "experts" coming out of the woodwork saying how things are wrong when there simply is no evidence to support it. In fact, a range of cell phones lose signal strength when held near the bottom with a clenched fist...http://www.appleinsider.com/ar...grip_gets_called_on_it.html

How about we see what Apple says...if they come out and lie, they open themselves up for massive lawsuits and loss of reputation. Of course no matter what they say, the anti-apple crowd will still complain just like they do every other day

Consumer Reports....which has been testing everything from A to Z and is the most trusted name in average Joe consumerism, a company which has been around since before the iPhone ever came into existence, is now suddenly "an unscientific blog" and a site called....Apple Insider (totally no bias there) not only "debunks" this REAL WORLD TEST by calling it unscientific because a "non-metallic pedestal inside an anechoic chamber" was not used during testing, and the site further goes to try and explain all cell phones do this (which I can't replicate with my HTC Hero, by the way, squeezing it on all sides makes me lose about 1 bar).

My. God. You complete fanboy. You must be wearing blinders or something. Do you not get "real world"? Consumer Reports reported their findings. That's all they did. They did what anyone would do in the real world, hold their phone. No one in the real world would use a "non-metallic pedestal inside an anechoic chamber" to test out their phone's signal.

Grow UP and admit for once that an iDevice has a fatal flaw.

LiquidSolstice said,

Consumer Reports....which has been testing everything from A to Z and is the most trusted name in average Joe consumerism, a company which has been around since before the iPhone ever came into existence, is now suddenly "an unscientific blog" and a site called....Apple Insider (totally no bias there) not only "debunks" this REAL WORLD TEST by calling it unscientific because a "non-metallic pedestal inside an anechoic chamber" was not used during testing, and the site further goes to try and explain all cell phones do this (which I can't replicate with my HTC Hero, by the way, squeezing it on all sides makes me lose about 1 bar).

My. God. You complete fanboy. You must be wearing blinders or something. Do you not get "real world"? Consumer Reports reported their findings. That's all they did. They did what anyone would do in the real world, hold their phone. No one in the real world would use a "non-metallic pedestal inside an anechoic chamber" to test out their phone's signal.

Grow UP and admit for once that an iDevice has a fatal flaw.

LOL. the anti-apple reality distortion field is strong with this one. Do you know anything about Antenna testing? Did not think so. The person who Apple Insider quoted in the story is an Antenna Engineer whose name is out in the wide open for all to see. Can you point out some issues with his credentials? He sure outlined many areas of problems with the Consumer Reports test. Which part are you saying he is wrong with?

I can conduct my own test on my iPhone 4...no problems. Does your iPhone 4 have loss of calls/no reception when you hold it?

LiquidSolstice said,

Consumer Reports....which has been testing everything from A to Z and is the most trusted name in average Joe consumerism, a company which has been around since before the iPhone ever came into existence, is now suddenly "an unscientific blog" and a site called....Apple Insider (totally no bias there) not only "debunks" this REAL WORLD TEST by calling it unscientific because a "non-metallic pedestal inside an anechoic chamber" was not used during testing, and the site further goes to try and explain all cell phones do this (which I can't replicate with my HTC Hero, by the way, squeezing it on all sides makes me lose about 1 bar).

My. God. You complete fanboy. You must be wearing blinders or something. Do you not get "real world"? Consumer Reports reported their findings. That's all they did. They did what anyone would do in the real world, hold their phone. No one in the real world would use a "non-metallic pedestal inside an anechoic chamber" to test out their phone's signal.

Grow UP and admit for once that an iDevice has a fatal flaw.

+1. Well said!

speckles said,

LOL. the anti-apple reality distortion field is strong with this one. Do you know anything about Antenna testing? Did not think so. The person who Apple Insider quoted in the story is an Antenna Engineer whose name is out in the wide open for all to see. Can you point out some issues with his credentials? He sure outlined many areas of problems with the Consumer Reports test. Which part are you saying he is wrong with?

I can conduct my own test on my iPhone 4...no problems. Does your iPhone 4 have loss of calls/no reception when you hold it?

How about: "Just don't hold it that way" is already a clue that something is really wrong with the iPhone 4.

speckles said,

LOL. the anti-apple reality distortion field is strong with this one. Do you know anything about Antenna testing? Did not think so. The person who Apple Insider quoted in the story is an Antenna Engineer whose name is out in the wide open for all to see. Can you point out some issues with his credentials? He sure outlined many areas of problems with the Consumer Reports test. Which part are you saying he is wrong with?

I can conduct my own test on my iPhone 4...no problems. Does your iPhone 4 have loss of calls/no reception when you hold it?

You're pathetic. That's like the 10th time I've seen you use that phrase and it shows nothing more than the fact that you are the pinnacle definition of "fanboy". For your information, I've owned a 3GS for some time and it never happened, and I found it to be a satisfactory experience. So no, I wouldn't call myself biased, I'd call it the pure facts.

Now get your overgrown head out of your ass and eat a slice of humble pie before this all comes back to bite you in the ass.

If this turns out to be true then it doesn't surprise me. In the past I've often wondered if Apple actually still test their stuff before release. But lately I've started to think that maybe any unwanted findings are either brushed under the carpet so as not to annoy the dear leader, or he's so set in his ways that anything that goes against his vision is over-ridden.

This is news? Of course they knew, a problem like this is not something that slips by the testing process.

Twisp said,
This is news? Of course they knew, a problem like this is not something that slips by the testing process.

Yes, indeed. Jobs' strategy was to call it "really cool engineering" and try to pass it off as a "feature".

techbeck said,
Of course he did. Why they were so ****ed about the iPhone getting stolen.

So the big question remains...... if they was holding the phone then, would they still manage to be remotely deactivate it???

If Apple's solution tomorrow is free Bumpers, then Apple can go screw themselves. That isn't a solution, it is a band aid. Fix the problem!!

Hurmoth said,
If Apple's solution tomorrow is free Bumpers, then Apple can go screw themselves. That isn't a solution, it is a band aid. Fix the problem!!

Hey, a topic we agree on! I would be really surprised if they gave away free bumpers. I doubt they will do anything more than that.

techbeck said,

Hey, a topic we agree on! I would be really surprised if they gave away free bumpers. I doubt they will do anything more than that.

There was a report I read yesterday that suggested if they don't fix the issue, they could end up losing $200 million every week (of course that's based on projected sales, but you get the point).

Apple HAS to do something. The Apple way, IMO, would be free Bumpers. That will **** me off, though, if that's the route they go.

Hurmoth said,
There was a report I read yesterday that suggested if they don't fix the issue, they could end up losing $200 million every week (of course that's based on projected sales, but you get the point).

Apple HAS to do something. The Apple way, IMO, would be free Bumpers. That will **** me off, though, if that's the route they go.

Yea, I read that to. But Apple doesnt have to do anything as they have shown us. Jobs doesnt care about his customers, just the $$ they give him. This is proven in his "you are holding it wrong" and "move closer to the router" responses he gave towards issues with the last two Apple product launches.

I will be REALLY surprised if Apple does anything to resolve this issue with NO COST to the consumers.

techbeck said,

Yea, I read that to. But Apple doesnt have to do anything as they have shown us. Jobs doesnt care about his customers, just the $ they give him. This is proven in his "you are holding it wrong" and "move closer to the router" responses he gave towards issues with the last two Apple product launches.

I will be REALLY surprised if Apple does anything to resolve this issue with NO COST to the consumers.

You should know that Steve Jobs' salary is only $1. The rest of his money is in stock in the company, so if the company does bad, then his worth goes down: http://www.independent.co.uk/l...ary-loses-500m-1232618.html

I don't think Jobs' issue is money at all. Jobs issue is that he's arrogant and pompous. He doesn't think he or his company does any wrong. That isn't tied to $$$, that's tied to being self-delusional.

Hurmoth said,
I don't think Jobs' issue is money at all. Jobs issue is that he's arrogant and pompous. He doesn't think he or his company does any wrong. That isn't tied to $$, that's tied to being self-delusional.

You forgot egotistical as well

Hurmoth said,
I don't think Jobs' issue is money at all. Jobs issue is that he's arrogant and pompous. He doesn't think he or his company does any wrong. That isn't tied to $$, that's tied to being self-delusional.

Well said.

Hurmoth said,
You should know that Steve Jobs' salary is only $1. The rest of his money is in stock in the company, so if the company does bad, then his worth goes down: http://www.independent.co.uk/l...ary-loses-500m-1232618.html

I don't think Jobs' issue is money at all. Jobs issue is that he's arrogant and pompous. He doesn't think he or his company does any wrong. That isn't tied to $$, that's tied to being self-delusional.

+ ∞

Hurmoth said,
You should know that Steve Jobs' salary is only $1. The rest of his money is in stock in the company, so if the company does bad, then his worth goes down: http://www.independent.co.uk/l...ary-loses-500m-1232618.html

I don't think Jobs' issue is money at all. Jobs issue is that he's arrogant and pompous. He doesn't think he or his company does any wrong. That isn't tied to $$, that's tied to being self-delusional.

+1. But you forgot to mention douche. You can't mention Steve Jobs without using the word douche. The two go together like peanut butter and jelly.

Hurmoth said,
If Apple's solution tomorrow is free Bumpers, then Apple can go screw themselves. That isn't a solution, it is a band aid. Fix the problem!!
I get a feeling it's gonna be a recall, they have little real choice. If they do just give out free bumpers to "solve" this issue, watch the class action lawsuits come flooding in!

FuzzyReets said,
I am really enjoying this.

Ditto. What do you think the likelihood is of Jobs announcing exactly how he had his personal chef prepare his crow when he finally gets around to eating it?

FuzzyReets said,
I am really enjoying this.

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.

Northgrove said,

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.

No, this is a case of "you live by the sword, you die by the sword".

Northgrove said,

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.

This is Apple's come-uppins for being so terrible to their customers. If they had approached this situation in a professional manner people like me wouldn't have a thing to say against them, but instead they blamed their failure to produce a high quality product on the very people who gave them money for said product.

I don't buy Apple products (for several reasons, mostly because they tend not to fit my needs) but if you do and you don't like the fact that Steve Jobs acts like a spoiled brat and directs Apple to deflect rather than correct problems, speak with your wallets and stop buying their stuff.

Northgrove said,

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.

I think its obvious that most of the people whose saying their enjoying this does not own an iPhone.

JonnyPickel said,

This is Apple's come-uppins for being so terrible to their customers. If they had approached this situation in a professional manner people like me wouldn't have a thing to say against them, but instead they blamed their failure to produce a high quality product on the very people who gave them money for said product.

I don't buy Apple products (for several reasons, mostly because they tend not to fit my needs) but if you do and you don't like the fact that Steve Jobs acts like a spoiled brat and directs Apple to deflect rather than correct problems, speak with your wallets and stop buying their stuff.


That's exactly what I plan on doing. I just got my iPhone 3GS in March, but my next phone will definitely be an Android-based design.

Biglo said,

I think its obvious that most of the people whose saying their enjoying this does not own an iPhone.

How so? I have an iPhone, but I'm loving every minute of this. The iPhone is awesome, but Steve Jobs is the most arrogant, prick of a douche I've ever seen.

Northgrove said,

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.
That's actually quite similar philosophy to Apple's I'm a Mac and I'm a PC advertisements.

Northgrove said,

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.

Uhh. Obviously, you've never seen any of the fanboys on here, because I don't think you're right about that.

Northgrove said,

Sometimes, it sounds like people here love to hate more than they love to love their own products.
Agreed.

what said,
Steve Jobs knows best, and don't you forget it.

Well, if they take losses like today (1.5% on the day) for the next 6 days AAPL will drop behind MS in market cap (of course assuming that MSFT is unchanged). So let's give them two weeks and see if they're still ahead of MS (which made headlines a few weeks ago when it happened).

Not sure how a recall would fix the problem - there isn't really an engineering fix to an exposed antenna that needs to be unexposed. Free cases for all who report the problem and request one would be a large hit but probably save them from a PR sense. That's what I predict for tomorrow's presser.

Neb Okla said,

Well, if they take losses like today (1.5% on the day) for the next 6 days AAPL will drop behind MS in market cap (of course assuming that MSFT is unchanged). So let's give them two weeks and see if they're still ahead of MS (which made headlines a few weeks ago when it happened).

It could happen today, or it could happen a couple of weeks from now. It doesn't really matter. It's bound to happen. AAPL recently hit an all-time high, and it will settle down. MSFT recently hit a near 52 week low caused by 3 periods of huge sell volume over the past 1.5 months. I originally suspected that there might have been leaks of an earnings warning or something, but INTC reported blow-out earnings.

Neb Okla said,

Well, if they take losses like today (1.5% on the day) for the next 6 days AAPL will drop behind MS in market cap (of course assuming that MSFT is unchanged). So let's give them two weeks and see if they're still ahead of MS (which made headlines a few weeks ago when it happened).

Not sure how a recall would fix the problem - there isn't really an engineering fix to an exposed antenna that needs to be unexposed. Free cases for all who report the problem and request one would be a large hit but probably save them from a PR sense. That's what I predict for tomorrow's presser.

There might not be, but when I walked into an Apple store recently, I grabbed an iPhone 4 and tried in vain to reproduce the signal issue, but didn't see even a single bar drop on it while 'holding it wrong', so apparently there is a way to fix it.