Steve Wozniak states Android will be king of smartphones [Update]

Steve Wozniak, co-founder and shareholder of Apple came out today stating his views on smartphones and where they will be headed. Wozniak says Android will dominate the smartphone market much like Windows did to the PC market. 

King of Smartphones

Wozniak compared what Android is going through to the early days of Windows via an interview with Dutch newspaper, De Telegraaf. The smartphone platform is still working on being polished and user satisfcation, as well as being consistant across platforms. One of the major arguements against Android is the fragmentation that is seen across various devices, which includes potential application compatibility issues.

Wozniak goes on to say that while Apple's iOS is currently better, Android phones, themselves, offer more features which in the end cater to users better. The iOS platform, according to the Apple co-founder, is leading in terms of quality but that lack of a wide variety of features will limit the success of the platform. He did stress however that the iPhone, "Has very few weak points. There aren't any real complaints and problems. In terms of quality, the iPhone is leading." 

Wozniak also talked about Apple's own smartphone adventure. In 2004 Apple had worked with a well-known Japanese consumer electronics company to develop a revolutionary phone. Specifically, they "wanted something that could amaze the world."  The end result however wasn't quite revolutionary enough for Apple, so they shelved the project. Three years later a new attempt at bringing this revolutionary device was deployed on the masses in the form of the iPhone.

Concluding the interview, Wozniak noted that Nokia was "the brand from a previous generation." His suggestion to the Finland company was to introduce a new brand for the younger consumer generation.

From the man who developed the Apple I and Apple II, Android is going to be the dominant platform once they can unify an experience and increase user satisfaction in the same way that Windows took over the PC market. A bold statement, but one that may show tremendous insight to technology and patterns of how brands come to rise.

Update: It appears that Woz was misquoted by Da Telegraaf, and when he read the story that was rocketing around the web he commented on Engadget about the whole ordeal. Wozniak was actually talking about a comparison between iOS and Android voice commands, saying how Android's had a leg up but that Apple would soon also have the same abilities.

He did loosely say that Android will probably become more popular, but adding that Android is going "to be a lot like Windows... I'm not trying to put Android down, but I'm not suggesting it's better than iOS by any stretch of the imagination. But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy."

Wozniak also mentions how "Almost every app I have is better on the iPhone."  Clearly he still believes in Apple full-heartedly and wasn't too happy about being misquoted on such a huge issue as that.

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SJ: WTF man. Why would you tell them that ?
SW: Dude I didn't mean it like that.
SJ: I'm not talking to you for a week.
SW: Fine I'll call them up and tell them I lied. Now can I get a kiss ?
SJ: Ok, Just so you know you really hurt me. You hurt right here. *points to his chest*

Hey Neowin News Editors/Admins/Whoever, would it be possible to get some sort of time stamp when a news article is "Updated" so that when reading through the comments, we can tell which ones were made post and pre "Update"? That would really help a lot.

jordan. said,
Hey Neowin News Editors/Admins/Whoever, would it be possible to get some sort of time stamp when a news article is "Updated" so that when reading through the comments, we can tell which ones were made post and pre "Update"? That would really help a lot.

^ Yep.

techbeck said,

Uhhh, why are you posting the same link twice?

Sorry, for some reason, the first one seemed to "dissapear" - I realoaded the page few times and it "went away" so I posted it again. Weird.

What a non story.
Of course Android will be the most common, they have 20+ phones where as the iPhone has one.
And mind you, everyone is using the word "popular" and that is incorrect, "common" is the correct word.

lol
The word has almost lost it's meaning it's been said so much. Just out of curiosity, I googled "revolutionary apple" and it's kind of ridiculous how much they overuse it.

power is nothing without control. if google dont control os ui, phone quality and app store, it will suck like desktop linux distributions.

google must own this project for going forward...

Hopefully they will start bringing it all together to where you don't have to buy new hardware to be able to upgrade your OS. Gets old fast when you try and install Apps from the store and can't because your OS is already 6 months old and the new apps won't run on the "old" software. The phones cost entirely to much to be able to keep up with all the "upgrades" Spending 300-400 every few months isn't very appealing. They need to just make phones that have the hardware that can support at least a year of software updates. That or the service providers need to change how they do business and stop ripping people off with the out of contract prices.

^ this. I've got a HTC Legend, and I've rooted it so I can run a stock Android ROM... but the phone is still supposed to be running 2.1. By the time the 2.2 update is pushed, 2.3 will be out there.

It's ridiculous - I just want HTC Sense back!

ILikeTobacco said,
Hopefully they will start bringing it all together to where you don't have to buy new hardware to be able to upgrade your OS. Gets old fast when you try and install Apps from the store and can't because your OS is already 6 months old and the new apps won't run on the "old" software. The phones cost entirely to much to be able to keep up with all the "upgrades" Spending 300-400 every few months isn't very appealing. They need to just make phones that have the hardware that can support at least a year of software updates. That or the service providers need to change how they do business and stop ripping people off with the out of contract prices.

Has that actually happened to anyone lately? We're always hearing talk of how Android is fragmented and it certainly was but, to be quite honest, I think that problem is disappearing extremely quickly. Yes, the manufacturers are still being too slow to push out updates but I really cannot remember the last time I even read a post from someone saying "App X doesn't work on my phone, version X.X".

tomjol said,

Has that actually happened to anyone lately? We're always hearing talk of how Android is fragmented and it certainly was but, to be quite honest, I think that problem is disappearing extremely quickly. Yes, the manufacturers are still being too slow to push out updates but I really cannot remember the last time I even read a post from someone saying "App X doesn't work on my phone, version X.X".

Thats because most of the newer ones coming out are going that direction. It has been a little over two years since the first androids came out so people's contracts are ending and they can buy new phones for the cheaper price. The problem still exists for those of us that bought a phone in the last 6 months to a year ago. We either have to buy a new phone out of contract or no get new apps for the next 1 year to 1.5 years.

ILikeTobacco said,

Thats because most of the newer ones coming out are going that direction. It has been a little over two years since the first androids came out so people's contracts are ending and they can buy new phones for the cheaper price. The problem still exists for those of us that bought a phone in the last 6 months to a year ago. We either have to buy a new phone out of contract or no get new apps for the next 1 year to 1.5 years.

Or root your phone and get the apps now. Some newer phones are a pain in the ass to root but the older phones are REALLY easy to do so.

techbeck said,

Or root your phone and get the apps now. Some newer phones are a pain in the ass to root but the older phones are REALLY easy to do so.

Just because you and I are capable of doing that doesn't mean the average customer knows how to. My sister currently has the same issue as n3verm0re posted below. If she roots her phone and something goes wrong, who does she go to? She lives 3 states over so its not like I can help her. She can't take it to the store she bought it at because the kids working there don't know how to work with custom installs. Rooting is an impractical solution to a very common problem. It's like telling your grandmother to install linux to fix her windows virus/trojan problems.

ILikeTobacco said,

Just because you and I are capable of doing that doesn't mean the average customer knows how to. My sister currently has the same issue as n3verm0re posted below. If she roots her phone and something goes wrong, who does she go to? She lives 3 states over so its not like I can help her. She can't take it to the store she bought it at because the kids working there don't know how to work with custom installs. Rooting is an impractical solution to a very common problem. It's like telling your grandmother to install linux to fix her windows virus/trojan problems.

I have several family members who have androids and are still on 1.6. They dont even know what 2.1 or 2.2 is. They have everything they need on their phones.

Those of us who know care and know what is missing know how to root their phones and update their OS. Not sure why there is an issue with support if the phone is rooted and a diff rom installed. I have had no issues with the ROMs I installed. Also, my phone had issues so I sent it back to T-Mobile rooted with a Cyanogen mod installed. T-Mobile sent me a new phone no questions asked.

I hear a lot about androids and fragmentation. Seems to be the only major argument against androids.

techbeck said,

I have several family members who have androids and are still on 1.6. They dont even know what 2.1 or 2.2 is. They have everything they need on their phones.

Those of us who know care and know what is missing know how to root their phones and update their OS. Not sure why there is an issue with support if the phone is rooted and a diff rom installed. I have had no issues with the ROMs I installed. Also, my phone had issues so I sent it back to T-Mobile rooted with a Cyanogen mod installed. T-Mobile sent me a new phone no questions asked.

I hear a lot about androids and fragmentation. Seems to be the only major argument against androids.

Congrats to your family and their specific needs and desires. They do not equal the rest of the market. My sister wants to get apps out of the store and can't because they won't install on 1.6. The issue is there so stop trying to argue the issue doesn't exist. The reason its the major argument against androids may have something to do with it existing as an issue.

You sent your rooted phone in and they sent you a totally different phone back. Think about that for a second and now think about someone else. They have a cellphone and its their only phone line. Why would they send their phone away to a company and wait a few days to get a new phone back? That's at least 3-4 days without a phone. That is a logical option how? That is why my sister would be stuck going into the store where they hire min wage high schoolers who don't know how to deal with rooted phones.

ILikeTobacco said,

Congrats to your family and their specific needs and desires. They do not equal the rest of the market. My sister wants to get apps out of the store and can't because they won't install on 1.6. The issue is there so stop trying to argue the issue doesn't exist. The reason its the major argument against androids may have something to do with it existing as an issue.

You sent your rooted phone in and they sent you a totally different phone back. Think about that for a second and now think about someone else. They have a cellphone and its their only phone line. Why would they send their phone away to a company and wait a few days to get a new phone back? That's at least 3-4 days without a phone. That is a logical option how? That is why my sister would be stuck going into the store where they hire min wage high schoolers who don't know how to deal with rooted phones.

Your sarcastic tone is not appreciated and it was not an argument...you just took it that way. I was giving my experience with android users both personally, and what I have seen in several popular forums.

And T-Mobile you keep your phone in its limited functionality and they send you a new phone. When you get the new, you send the old back. Tho I wish they were like others providers where you could go in and get a new phone from a local store that day.

techbeck said,

And T-Mobile you keep your phone in its limited functionality and they send you a new phone. When you get the new, you send the old back. Tho I wish they were like others providers where you could go in and get a new phone from a local store that day.

Which still doesn't solve the underlining issue. If you root the phone and it has problems and you don't know how to fix it yourself, you are now stuck without a working phone for days because a. you cant go into the store and have them fix it and b. the reason you rooted in the first place was because you were sold outdated software. You have to wait for the new phone to come in.

All this stems from one single problem. The phone you bought 6 months ago is already a legacy system. Nobody is asking them to support 2 or 3 year old phones at this point. The fact that a 6 month old phone is considered legacy and can't run the latest software without rooting the system is ridiculous. How much would you enjoy formatting your computer every time Microsoft released an update for Windows? Sure any of us can do it, but that doesn't make it right. I wouldn't trust my sister to run the System Restore disks that come with computers, let alone root her phone with custom software.

dotf said,
The Woz is not the Wiz.
He is no longer the man behind the curtain.

He's beloved part of computing history.
I'm not sure he's still relevant.

Its a personal view and he is not talking on behalf of Apple or Google Android. And history repeats itself he is just relating it to ios and android this time. I own a iphone, I like ios but I want the device of my choice so my next phone will never be iphone.

dotf said,
The Woz is not the Wiz.
He is no longer the man behind the curtain.

He's beloved part of computing history.
I'm not sure he's still relevant.

I dunno, he's a tech person with a lot of knowledge about the industry. Ok he doesn't work for a large company like apple, google etc, but that's what gives him a more unbiased neutral view, he will definitely call it as he sees it.

It wouldn't surprise me either, but I don't think it will be the same relationship that Windows and OS X share. I don't think a single OS will be "dominant" in the mobile space.

Elliott said,
It wouldn't surprise me either, but I don't think it will be the same relationship that Windows and OS X share. I don't think a single OS will be "dominant" in the mobile space.
Apps make and break a OS, only reason ios is selling out so quickly today is wide range of Apps available on it, but soon people will get bored of same UI and similar handset.

Shishant said,
Apps make and break a OS, only reason ios is selling out so quickly today is wide range of Apps available on it, but soon people will get bored of same UI and similar handset.
Bored? That's your best argument? Windows has had roughly the same user experience for 15 years. Familiar isn't a bad thing.

Elliott said,
Familiar isn't a bad thing.

True, but as long as others offer more for the same $$$ or cheaper, I think more people will be looking for different options.

Elliott said,
Bored? That's your best argument? Windows has had roughly the same user experience for 15 years. Familiar isn't a bad thing.

Windows also succeed because they had different hardware to choose from like alienware, custom builds, dell etc.

Just like Windows, Google only deals with the software end. They don't care what hardware it is on. Apple deals with hardware and software which limits them severely in terms of competition.

For example, if I were an iPhone lover but wanted a physical qwerty keyboard, i am out of luck. However that's not the case with Android. They have something for everybody on every major network.

Teebor said,
Seems like high praise to me, and LOL at Big Bang theory on channel 4 the other night

What country are you in? Are you that far behind? That episode aired about a month or so ago in the US.

schubb2003 said,

Oooh look another fanboy...didn't you mean Windoze Phail 7 or Window$ Phail 7...seriously a little consistency in your ramblings would be nice.

I guess when you don't have any legit reasons to counter with, attacking spelling/grammar/fanboy-ism always works right?

nekkidtruth said,

I guess when you don't have any legit reasons to counter with, attacking spelling/grammar/fanboy-ism always works right?

Windows did fail in there first day sales. Signs to come?

I never had issues with quality on any Android phone I used and have always liked how you get more and can do more with an Android device. I think people will start waking up, hopefully, and see what they are buying and the money they are shelling out and make wiser decisions.

In my opinion, it's really only been recent that Android devices have started to catch up to the iPhone in terms of performance and quality; and if Apple rests comfortably on its laurels, then I certainly expect the Android devices to be on par and perhaps even exceed the iPhone eventually. That said, for now the iPhone remains the most streamlined and consistently smooth user experience out there; Android UIs all too often seem fragmented and clumsy by comparison. This is changing, of course, and I look forward to the day that I'll fully enjoy the Android experience.

n3verm0re said,
In my opinion, it's really only been recent that Android devices have started to catch up to the iPhone in terms of performance and quality; and if Apple rests comfortably on its laurels, then I certainly expect the Android devices to be on par and perhaps even exceed the iPhone eventually. That said, for now the iPhone remains the most streamlined and consistently smooth user experience out there; Android UIs all too often seem fragmented and clumsy by comparison. This is changing, of course, and I look forward to the day that I'll fully enjoy the Android experience.

Hate the fragmentation argument as it is not an issue for most users. Its only used as a negative argument towards androids. If it was a real issue, why are androids selling like crazy? Besides, google has stated several times that they are working on getting the fragmentation "issues" resolved and have made a few steps in doing so. Granted its slow progress.

techbeck said,

Hate the fragmentation argument as it is not an issue for most users. Its only used as a negative argument towards androids. If it was a real issue, why are androids selling like crazy?

Because the vast majority of end users aren't tech savvy enough to research this issue and are still on their first Android handset. When they see their friends who buy an Android a few months later that has a newer OS and more features THATS when the grudge sets in and they take that into account on their next phone upgrade a year or two later. Fragmentation is an issue, its just still unknown how much of an issue it is. For Windows Mobile it was a BIG issue. I know this because I know users that got a bad taste in their mouth over it and swore off the platform because of it.

Shadrack said,

Because the vast majority of end users aren't tech savvy enough to research this issue and are still on their first Android handset. When they see their friends who buy an Android a few months later that has a newer OS and more features THATS when the grudge sets in and they take that into account on their next phone upgrade a year or two later. Fragmentation is an issue, its just still unknown how much of an issue it is. For Windows Mobile it was a BIG issue. I know this because I know users that got a bad taste in their mouth over it and swore off the platform because of it.

Shall see how things go with Android. Fragmentation seems like the only argument, major argument, against the platform. And if Google and phone companies lights the fire under their asses, then it eventually wont be an issue at all.

techbeck said,

Hate the fragmentation argument as it is not an issue for most users. Its only used as a negative argument towards androids. If it was a real issue, why are androids selling like crazy? Besides, google has stated several times that they are working on getting the fragmentation "issues" resolved and have made a few steps in doing so. Granted its slow progress.

It is an issue for however for manufacturers and carriers who have to support the devices with upgrades that their customers will expect to get. Does a Droid X/Evo/Droid2/Captivate/Galaxy/Nexus1 or Nexus2 owner expect to get the Gingerbread update??? You bet. Will they? Possibly. Will Sony/LG/Acer update their phones? probably not. All I can say is that from the manufacturer's point of view, it costs millions of dollars to support Android. Most of these manufacturers have 5-30 different versions of or different Android phones in the market, production, or development that makes support and development for them rather expensive. Fragmentation matters.

threetonesun said,
Sure, because Android will, soon, run on most phones out there, while iOS will only run on iPhones.

Whose fault is that?

zkid2010 said,

Whose fault is that?


Nobody. Apple chose to run iOS on their hardware only. Exactly how Apple chose to run OS X on Macs only.

thatguyandrew1992 said,

Well it is Apple's fault....

It's more apples choice. They are quite happy with the state of iOS. Apple have never wanted to own the market, they are a business they want to earn money whilst producing what they feel are quality items, similar to BMW / Mercedes, they dont want to dominate the car market, Toyota, ford etc current fit that demand.

Euphoria said,

Is not a fault... it's a choice.
You can't know whether it's a fault until you see all the consequences of the choice.

Damian. said,

Nobody. Apple chose to run iOS on their hardware only. Exactly how Apple chose to run OS X on Macs only.
Even though that is true, the churn from Android to iPhone will always be higher than the churn from iPhone to Android. The iPhone will always give a better experience than Android because that's how they do things at Apple. Android's market share is increasing at a high rate because they are capturing the new smartphone customers who want a cheaper smartphone experience that is very nearly similar to an iPhone experience.

Jebadiah said,
Even though that is true, the churn from Android to iPhone will always be higher than the churn from iPhone to Android. The iPhone will always give a better experience than Android because that's how they do things at Apple. Android's market share is increasing at a high rate because they are capturing the new smartphone customers who want a cheaper smartphone experience that is very nearly similar to an iPhone experience.

A lot of assumptions there. Androids are already selling better and the reason why the android is already took the #1 spot in the US and is encroaching on Nokia for the #1 world spot. And to say that iPhone will always be the better experience...well, must be nice to predict the future.

techbeck said,

A lot of assumptions there. Androids are already selling better and the reason why the android is already took the #1 spot in the US and is encroaching on Nokia for the #1 world spot. And to say that iPhone will always be the better experience...well, must be nice to predict the future.

It's interesting how you ignored my comment about churn because that's the key to the premium business. Apple customers are highly unlikely to switch to a competitor. Did you even look at market research for the Macs, Tablets and phones? A layman's version for tablets is on the front page right now.

Beaux said,
You can't know whether it's a fault until you see all the consequences of the choice.

Yes you can know if you read their goal and business plan.
They are following exactly the same plan as they did for the MacOS. Control the hardware and the software. Concentrate on customer services and quality of apps.
Android is too fragmented. Apple is making enough money the way it is.....

Jebadiah said,
It's interesting how you ignored my comment about churn because that's the key to the premium business. Apple customers are highly unlikely to switch to a competitor. Did you even look at market research for the Macs, Tablets and phones? A layman's version for tablets is on the front page right now.

I didnt ignore your churn comment as I dont agree with it. You said the users going from android to iphone will always be higher and that is assuming a LOT and considering android sales, I disagree with you...and I am hearing all over people moving away from apple to go android.

The market research for tablets is not even valid IMO. There is little to no competition in the tablet market.

Euphoria said,

Yes you can know if you read their goal and business plan.
They are following exactly the same plan as they did for the MacOS. Control the hardware and the software. Concentrate on customer services and quality of apps.
Android is too fragmented. Apple is making enough money the way it is.....
That only shows that it's a choice. That doesn't show that it's not a fault.

It can be both a choice and a fault.

Beaux said,
That only shows that it's a choice. That doesn't show that it's not a fault.

It can be both a choice and a fault.


Well, if that's a fault than every company in the world can dream of making a fault like that... since Apple's stock is doing quite well.

Euphoria said,

Well, if that's a fault than every company in the world can dream of making a fault like that... since Apple's stock is doing quite well.
That's looking at ONE consequence of the choice. I said you can't know whether it's a fault until you see ALL the consequences of the choice.

Euphoria said,

Is not a fault... it's a choice.

They also "chose" to keep their desktop hw and os proprietary until it was too late to go for market share, and we see how that worked out for them.

techbeck said,

A lot of assumptions there. Androids are already selling better and the reason why the android is already took the #1 spot in the US and is encroaching on Nokia for the #1 world spot. And to say that iPhone will always be the better experience...well, must be nice to predict the future.


This is absurd. If you were comparing Symbian to Android, you might have a case. However, you're comparing the software that runs on a phone to a hardware manufacturer. Apples to apples, please.

rheostat said,

This is absurd. If you were comparing Symbian to Android, you might have a case. However, you're comparing the software that runs on a phone to a hardware manufacturer. Apples to apples, please.
The comment applies to only talking about software.

How do you like them apples?