Still don't have 'Nodo'? Blame Microsoft

Things are not going so well for Microsoft's latest play into the mobile phone arena. After the launch of WP7, the infamous 'Nodo' update has been something of a unicorn to the end user.

While Microsoft has officially started pushing out the 'Nodo' update to non-branded phones, those who bought one with carrier subsidy could be waiting much longer for the actual update. But, the question remains, whose fault is it for the delay, is it the carrier or is it Microsoft? According to Winrumors, it is Microsoft's fault, at least for European carriers.

Information is being reported that carriers in the UK, specifically, Vodafone and Orange, state that the update has been approved but it is Microsoft who is holding back the rollout. Vodafone does not have a specific date when its users can expect to receive the update but Orange is saying that March 29 will be the day for its users to receive Nodo.

For those in the states, the outlook is not any better, in fact, it might be much worse. According to Microsoft, AT&T is still testing the February and March updates.

What exactly is happening and who is in control is an annoying reality when both Microsoft and the carrier fight for control. The end result is a poor user experience, something Microsoft can not afford to be tarnished with.

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The fact is MS needs to clone Mr. Sinofsky somehow. He saved Office, Windows7. Now he needs to save WP7

cpu said,
The fact is MS needs to clone Mr. Sinofsky somehow. He saved Office, Windows7. Now he needs to save WP7

+1

Except for ballmer, Sinofsky is the only one to remain standing. All others were kicked out in the last 1.5 years.

Wow, so many to jump on Microsoft, while looking sitting in their glass house.

Microsoft is trying to shift the whole industry with how mobile software and updates are handled. There are two models out there now. A single hardware product (Apple/iOS), and multiple hardware products with an insane number of OS versions and variations (Google/Android).

Unlike Apple, Microsoft is dealing with a lot of device configurations, yet are getting closer to the update process that iPhone users enjoy.

Apple has it easier with a single hardware product and only having to deal with one US carrier that tests and sets the GSM features that the rest of the world gets. As Verizon or other CDMA carriers are added to the mix, iPhone updates will move to being a bit more of a mess.
(And do people so easily forget the messes with the iPhone updates, especially in the first year?)


Google also has it easier, as they simply don't care or have to deal with updates.

Android also has a lot of devices from various MFRS, but Google doesn't handle the update process whatsoever. Google doesn't even handle compiling the code for the devices leaving this up to the MFRs and the Carriers. Google's handling of Android and leaving the last stages of 'development' up to the MFRs and Carriers is far more complex than just getting approval like Microsoft is doing.

Android users don't even get ongoing OS level security fixes for the current version, let alone all the users with older Android versions that will never get any type of update to their version.

I don't think anyone should complain or even see this as a problem when they personally still have Android phones running v1.5, v1.6, v2.1, v2.2, v2.3.2, etc...

Microsoft is trying to remold the whole smartphone market and model that will open things up for MFRs and Carriers that has not existed in the phone market before.

The MFRs and Carriers get to build and create phones, like they can with Android, but they don't have to deal with the Android mess or have to deal with any aspect of OS engineering/development whatsoever.

MFRs and Carriers really don't like having to build and Android for their devices and keep tweaking the hell out of it just to make it somewhat stable. (People also keep overlooking that Android is far from stable on ANY device, as the term FC is something every Android owner knows.)

----

So Microsoft's first update process not running as smooth as Apple's update process works now, big deal, it is 100 times better than Android and is less problematic than Apple experienced in the first year or two with the iPhone, and Microsoft is supporting several devices, not one phone.

iPhone users can chuckle, but even then the iPhone's update process has been less than perfect.

Android users truly have NOTHING to say in this conversation, as the majority of them are still not running the current version of Android, with their last update being almost a year old or more.

Unless your Android phone shows v2.3.3 you are running an old version with less features, and this also means it is full of bugs and security holes that may NEVER be fixed unless your MFR and Carrier decides to rebuild the current version for your phone. And guess what, they would rather sell you a new phone...

"Unlike Apple, Microsoft is dealing with a lot of device configurations, yet are getting closer to the update process that iPhone users enjoy.

Apple has it easier with a single hardware product and only having to deal with one US carrier that tests and sets the GSM features that the rest of the world gets. As Verizon or other CDMA carriers are added to the mix, iPhone updates will move to being a bit more of a mess.
(And do people so easily forget the messes with the iPhone updates, especially in the first year?)
"

What nonesens.

Microsoft has only WP7 with 10 devices which have almost identical hardware. Apple has 8 devices (iphone, ipod/touch,iPad) all defferent devices/hardware. Apple has 300+ cerriers in 100+ countries, yet, all the customers get the updates on the same day of release no matter where they are.

alexalex said,
"Unlike Apple, Microsoft is dealing with a lot of device configurations, yet are getting closer to the update process that iPhone users enjoy.

Apple has it easier with a single hardware product and only having to deal with one US carrier that tests and sets the GSM features that the rest of the world gets. As Verizon or other CDMA carriers are added to the mix, iPhone updates will move to being a bit more of a mess.
(And do people so easily forget the messes with the iPhone updates, especially in the first year?)
"

What nonesens.

Microsoft has only WP7 with 10 devices which have almost identical hardware. Apple has 8 devices (iphone, ipod/touch,iPad) all defferent devices/hardware. Apple has 300+ cerriers in 100+ countries, yet, all the customers get the updates on the same day of release no matter where they are.


They do NOT have identical hardware. HTC phones have dolby/SRS chips, built in compass, the LG phone has DLNA functionality etc. Some phones use different storage technology. HTC uses microSD while Samsung uses NAND for some models. This first update likely has a bunch of OEM fixes as well. I actually think Microsoft is doing alright with this first patch. Yes, it's taking time. It sometimes feels excruciatingly slow, but it's coming nonetheless. There will never be a situation where someone gets locked out of an update. Delays is to be expected though when you're dealing with carriers.

alexalex said,
What nonesens.

Microsoft has only WP7 with 10 devices which have almost identical hardware. Apple has 8 devices (iphone, ipod/touch,iPad) all defferent devices/hardware. Apple has 300+ cerriers in 100+ countries, yet, all the customers get the updates on the same day of release no matter where they are.

Sigh, you do realize that one of the reasons people want NoDo, is to speed up their phone's load times with apps and games, right? And these slow load times were not seen on Samsung devices because they use NAND and companies like HTC used a built-in microSD card. That right there is because the hardware is different.

Not only that, but the reason Samsung hardware couldn't complete the February update leaves it up to question even more...is all the hardware really that identical? I did install build 7008 by unbranding the phone, and it seamlessly did it.

Just because the phones have similar on-board components doen't mean they function the same way. They have different firmwares and stuff made by each phone manufacturer, and the WP7 update has to work with that and make sure drivers and everything also stay working.

alexalex said,
"Unlike Apple, Microsoft is dealing with a lot of device configurations, yet are getting closer to the update process that iPhone users enjoy.

Apple has it easier with a single hardware product and only having to deal with one US carrier that tests and sets the GSM features that the rest of the world gets. As Verizon or other CDMA carriers are added to the mix, iPhone updates will move to being a bit more of a mess.
(And do people so easily forget the messes with the iPhone updates, especially in the first year?)
"

What nonesens.

Microsoft has only WP7 with 10 devices which have almost identical hardware. Apple has 8 devices (iphone, ipod/touch,iPad) all defferent devices/hardware. Apple has 300+ cerriers in 100+ countries, yet, all the customers get the updates on the same day of release no matter where they are.

Really? I suppose you think all PCs are the same too, because they have the basic hardware specifications? If you have worked with electronic hardware or computers you would realize how insane your statement is.

I agree there are not the infinite configurations of hardware that exists in the PC world, but even with the rather limited hardware specification set of WP7 devices, there are a lot of hardware variations that you fail to consider.

Here are few things that vary, off the top of my head:

CCD Imager - Camera
RAM - MFR, Spec, Speed
Accelerometer
Magnetic Sensor
Auxillary controllers
Screen technology - Display method, bit depth, dithering
DSP

And this doesn't even begin to describe the engineering of the mainboard, radios, latency issues, keyboards, touch screen technology (input methods), etc.

Apples deals with 1 MFR for all components and one engineering design for basically 3 devices.

Even then with the iPhone4, 3, and iPad, Apple is not able to provide a single image of the OS that works with just three devices. Yet Micrsoft is effectively providing one unified OS that works on several phones with a lot of varying hardware and a wide array of support for future hardware that hasn't even been released yet.

Seriously, go pick up a book on the engineering of devices and electronics, and the vast differences the components and configurations create that are compensated for in the device's software levels. (Heck even look at a home router with slight version revisions that require different Firmware; hardware varies a lot in just revison, let alone separately engineered phones.)

Vodafone and Orange, state that the update has been approved but it is Microsoft who is holding back the rollout

Sorry? Did you just say that Orange are holding back an update? Orange!????
This coming from a company that delayed and lied about the Desire 2.2 update? Say it isn't so.....

Kinda related question: I'm thinking about buying a WP7 device. Should I wait for the next batch - will there ever be one? nothing has been announced lately n terms of hardware… (which is really strange compared to Android-devices^^) - or buy now?
In Austria there are not really that much (non-branded) models to choose from:
*) Omnia 7
*) HD7
*) Optimus 7
*) HTC 7 Pro
The Optimus 7 has 16gig of storage whereas the others only have 8gig… Is 8gigs really enough? (How big are games/programa in generell for WP7?)

There should be new phones later this year (probably fall) and Nokia WP7 phones should start appearing early next year. I'm pretty happy with my Samsung Focus, which is almost the same thing as the Omnia 7. I'm happy with it, except the capacitive buttons (too easy to "press" accidentally) and the 8GB storage.

I like to use my phone as an MP3 player, and there's just not enough space for me. On my phone 3GB is taken up by the OS/apps/games/data leaving just 4-5GB for music. 16GB would probably just start to be enough for me...

Edited by JonathanMarston, Mar 25 2011, 12:23am :

Good god, the amount of hatred and misinformation here is incsane.

1. NoDo was delayed by two weeks - nothing more. All previous release dates were fiction created by bloggers and journalists (who now scorn Microsoft for missing the dates they 'set' for the update).

2. The first update for WP7 is going to take longer than the subsequent ones - it is the *first* real update after all, it needs extra verification and testing, and prone for unexpected real-life issues.

3. To all Android fans raising the issues with this update - at least we *will* get our updates. Most of you will be left with your current release because you are entirely at the mercy of your mobile operators (and Google does not give a f**k). And as soon as Windows Phone will gain more market-share, I think you will find that Microsoft will apply much more pressure to get updates to the users ASAP.

Lets see, would you rather have Microsoft release the update and have it brick a bunch of phones,or wait little longer and make sure that everything goes smooth? I would rather wait and make sure I don't have a load of ****ed of customers. I have the HD7 and haven't had any problems with the phone yet, not slow, no crashes, applications load just fine it doesn't take long.

-=SEDIN=- said,
Lets see, would you rather have Microsoft release the update and have it brick a bunch of phones,or wait little longer and make sure that everything goes smooth? I would rather wait and make sure I don't have a load of ****ed of customers. I have the HD7 and haven't had any problems with the phone yet, not slow, no crashes, applications load just fine it doesn't take long.

Well said!

Microsoft certainly messed up this update on a lot of fronts but you have to admit, this is a complicated process. Please don't compare it to the iPhone which is a completely different situation. It's a lot more controllable when you control the hardware, the OS, and start off with one carrier. MS is one OS with multiple hardware and multiple carriers. The good thing is they'll certainly learn from it and find a better way to do it in the future. I get the feeling the mango update will be a lot smoother. At least I hope.

Hopefully Microsoft's investors can see the writing on the wall. Then again, its not like it hasn't been there for quite some time now. BALLMER needs to go! Hes missed several major market shifts, is stumbling terribly with Windows Phone 7 and tablets that compete with the iPad are ghosts. Steve Ballmer does not have it what it takes to lead Microsoft.

NPGMBR said,
Hopefully Microsoft's investors can see the writing on the wall. Then again, its not like it hasn't been there for quite some time now. BALLMER needs to go! Hes missed several major market shifts, is stumbling terribly with Windows Phone 7 and tablets that compete with the iPad are ghosts. Steve Ballmer does not have it what it takes to lead Microsoft.

Let's see what products have come out of Microsoft during Ballmer's time as CEO:
- Windows 7
- Office 2010
- Xbox360
- Kinect
- IE9
- WP7

Yeah he really needs to go..

I don't think you can blame one man for all this; after all, bill gates was running the company when Microsoft developed and released Vista.

Microsoft as a company has been on the decline for years; that's the fact of the matter. While they might have had some limited success with XBox and kinect, elsewhere it's been a disaster.

Oh so Office 2007/2010, Windows 7, are all disasters right? What about their investments for the cloud, oh that's obviously a failure since it's not like they're used by over 300 million and growing.

Xbox and kinect, nah they're not extremely popular and used by millions.

/- Razorfold said,

Let's see what products have come out of Microsoft during Ballmer's time as CEO:
- Windows 7
- Office 2010
- Xbox360
- Kinect
- IE9
- WP7

Yeah he really needs to go..

I agree 100% "Yeah he really needs to go.."

Diagramatic said,

Dont forget Visual Studio 2010


I'm happy with VS2010 - well apart from the fact that Visual C++ seems to lag behind Visual C♯ , but I guess that's because C♯ is the future… (at least for Windows-centered development)

/- Razorfold said,

Let's see what products have come out of Microsoft during Ballmer's time as CEO:
- Windows 7
- Office 2010
- Xbox360
- Kinect
- IE9
- WP7

Yeah he really needs to go..


And Bing. Not just Bing though, the Yahoo! deal which has helped them see a tremendous rise in market share.

I am a Windows Phone supporter and in fact I am enjoying my 7Pro (aka arrive, yuck) immensely.

However to me this is undeniably a black eye for Microsoft. The buck stops with them in this case.

Microsoft even say this on their update schedule for the update - but after the carriers have finished testing, it can take upto 10 days for the update to begin roll out, a phase which Microsoft calls "scheduling".

This article seems un-neccessarily negative. It's not Microsoft "delaying it" for some unknown arbitrary reason.

~Johnny said,
Microsoft even say this on their update schedule for the update - but after the carriers have finished testing, it can take upto 10 days for the update to begin roll out, a phase which Microsoft calls "scheduling".

This article seems un-neccessarily negative. It's not Microsoft "delaying it" for some unknown arbitrary reason.

To me it is if its scheduling, if its past testing just release it

~Johnny said,
Microsoft even say this on their update schedule for the update - but after the carriers have finished testing, it can take upto 10 days for the update to begin roll out, a phase which Microsoft calls "scheduling".

This article seems un-neccessarily negative. It's not Microsoft "delaying it" for some unknown arbitrary reason.

I disagree... Microsoft's page warrants this article!

They say Step 2 "Scheduling" can take up to 10 day. Then Step 3 "Delivering" can take "several weeks".

Why is there a month+ window AFTER the carrier has approved it? Are they getting the update onto their servers via dogsled across the Canadian Tundra?

Pretty sure that's just Microsoft covering their ass in case something goes wrong. You'll get your update well before a month passes.

Yep, all the update process is a completely mess, there's no excuse for this, they have a loooooooooooot of experience updating systems with Windows OS that's 1000% more fragmented and complicated. SHAME ON YOU MICROSOFT, SHAAAAME ON YOU!

By the way, I have a Samsung Focus and I love it but just yesterday was the second day in my life to have the chance to play with an iPhone4 (the first time was an older version, maybe the second version) the first time I didn't like it, I actually hated it, but with the iPhone 4 it was different, I must admit that Apple's platform feels stronger in many ways. I'm not considering switching to an iPhone but I can't blame Apple's fans for their love for this device.

Why did Microsoft choose this method of Updates?

Why didn't they do it like Apple, and have you just plug in your phone to your computer, and update it via Zune?

Benjy91 said,
Why did Microsoft choose this method of Updates?

Why didn't they do it like Apple, and have you just plug in your phone to your computer, and update it via Zune?

That's the baffling thing to me - I thought that that was what they were going to do, but apparently not.

Benjy91 said,
Why did Microsoft choose this method of Updates?

Why didn't they do it like Apple, and have you just plug in your phone to your computer, and update it via Zune?

That's how you more or less do it anyways, but I guess they don't want to run into another "Samsung pre-update" problem and are taking it super slow this time? I also agree with you that they should just let people manually download it and install it without carrier support etc so that the carriers won't have to worry about covering it if things don't work right (from lack of testing etc).

Besides when you update you get a restore point so if the update doesn't work you can rollback and wait for the "official" carrier tested one. That would've been 100x better as an option for everyone.

Benjy91 said,
Why did Microsoft choose this method of Updates?

Why didn't they do it like Apple, and have you just plug in your phone to your computer, and update it via Zune?

That's how you more or less do it anyways, but I guess they don't want to run into another "Samsung pre-update" problem and are taking it super slow this time? I also agree with you that they should just let people manually download it and install it without carrier support etc so that the carriers won't have to worry about covering it if things don't work right (from lack of testing etc).

Besides when you update you get a restore point so if the update doesn't work you can rollback and wait for the "official" carrier tested one. That would've been 100x better as an option for everyone.

spenser.d said,

That's the baffling thing to me - I thought that that was what they were going to do, but apparently not.

You have to keep in mind that Carriers have their own software on your device and they have to run tests to ensure that the update does not break their stuff. so Microsoft is doing the right thing by letting the carriers get their hands on it first. Its unfair to compare Microsoft's situation to Apple because Apple has full control without having to consults with device manufcturers or carriers.

Benjy91 said,
Why did Microsoft choose this method of Updates?

Why didn't they do it like Apple, and have you just plug in your phone to your computer, and update it via Zune?


I said this kind of problem would happen a while ago and was slapped down and told that users can simply update it with the Zune software. Oh the irony...

Well I have an unbranded Omnia 7 and I still haven't got NoDo... Zune says my phone is up-to-date.
EDIT: build 7008 btw

I agree with this article. It is insane that my Dell Venue Pro doesn't have the update yet. Microsoft's page says T-Mobile has approved the update, but the last two stages (pure MS) can take weeks.

I dont get how it can take weeks to out a file on a server to download...

Maybe the files are being delivered to servers via courier pidgeons!

As a Microsoft Certified IT Pro, I am NOT happy with the update process so far at all. If this continues with future updates, I will be moving to Android. Its really unfortunate because the Windows Phone 7 OS is quite nice, but the update process is hell. I am beginning to envy iOS for the ease of updating, and the fact there is no carrier validation.

tylerc said,
As a Microsoft Certified IT Pro, I am NOT happy with the update process so far at all. If this continues with future updates, I will be moving to Android. Its really unfortunate because the Windows Phone 7 OS is quite nice, but the update process is hell. I am beginning to envy iOS for the ease of updating, and the fact there is no carrier validation.

Agreed. I like the way I can plug my usb cable in and just update the ipad etc. Notified on the web, download and install. Seems way simpler for some reason. Perhaps it's the fact that they inform us a little too early?

jakem1 said,

Because you don't want any updates at all?

My phone, and the HTC Desire will be getting updated. The Desire originally shipped with Android 2.1, in fact about 80% of Android phones are running 2.1 or higher, so that's absolute nonsense.

Subject Delta said,

My phone, and the HTC Desire will be getting updated. The Desire originally shipped with Android 2.1, in fact about 80% of Android phones are running 2.1 or higher, so that's absolute nonsense.


Don't expect them to live up to their promise, many Samsung Galaxy S owners are still on android 2.1 and it's a newer/more popular phone than the one you have.

Gaffney said,

Don't expect them to live up to their promise, many Samsung Galaxy S owners are still on android 2.1 and it's a newer/more popular phone than the one you have.

The original HTC Desire is pretty much the most popular Android phone of the lot, and it is still being updated.

Subject Delta said,

The original HTC Desire is pretty much the most popular Android phone of the lot, and it is still being updated.

Slowly though. I have a desire and the wait for updates isn't quick - also, what you have to bare in mind is that the phone is only a year old and I would be surprised if it gets updated past 2.3.

The amount of effort required to tailor the software to htc sense ensures that the update process is prohibitively expensive for an extended period. Obviously, I hope to be proven wrong... but i dont think I will be.

empty said,

Slowly though. I have a desire and the wait for updates isn't quick - also, what you have to bare in mind is that the phone is only a year old and I would be surprised if it gets updated past 2.3.

The amount of effort required to tailor the software to htc sense ensures that the update process is prohibitively expensive for an extended period. Obviously, I hope to be proven wrong... but i dont think I will be.

That is the fault of the manufacturer, not Google. If you buy a phone with such a heavily customised UI, then IMO expecting rapid updates is pretty foolish anyway

Subject Delta said,

That is the fault of the manufacturer, not Google. If you buy a phone with such a heavily customised UI, then IMO expecting rapid updates is pretty foolish anyway


So expecting fast updates on midrange to high-end models - who mostly feature customised UIs - is foolish? Why invest in such a device in the first place then?

tylerc said,
As a Microsoft Certified IT Pro, I am NOT happy with the update process so far at all. If this continues with future updates, I will be moving to Android. Its really unfortunate because the Windows Phone 7 OS is quite nice, but the update process is hell. I am beginning to envy iOS for the ease of updating, and the fact there is no carrier validation.

Even with this kind of organisation in regard to the Windows Phone 7 updates, there are still going to be more major updates (i.e. updates that actually add useful features) for Windows Phone 7 this year than there will be for iOS or Android.

Callum said,

Even with this kind of organisation in regard to the Windows Phone 7 updates, there are still going to be more major updates (i.e. updates that actually add useful features) for Windows Phone 7 this year than there will be for iOS or Android.

That's only because WP7 shipped missing a lot of basic functionality to begin with

Subject Delta said,

That's only because WP7 shipped missing a lot of basic functionality to begin with


As did iOS and Android when they were first shipped…

Subject Delta said,

That's only because WP7 shipped missing a lot of basic functionality to begin with


Yeah and considering it took microsoft only months to give us features that it took Apple years to give us, I'm very impressed. what took Apple 4 years is taking Msft 1year, that's impressive. I don't care what apple announces this year it won't ever be as impressive as the features Microsoft gives us.

Well, being on AT&T, at this point I blame AT&T more than Microsoft. AT&T still hasn't even tested the February update!

It looks like Microsoft has decided to only push updates on Tuesdays, so they're scheduling the carriers that have finished testing for the 29th. Not sure I understand the reasoning behind this, but it's not so bad, either.

JonathanMarston said,
Well, being on AT&T, at this point I blame AT&T more than Microsoft. AT&T still hasn't even tested the February update!

It looks like Microsoft has decided to only push updates on Tuesdays, so they're scheduling the carriers that have finished testing for the 29th. Not sure I understand the reasoning behind this, but it's not so bad, either.


Agreed, I used the hack to remove the MobileOperator setting in the Registry and Voila...Update! it's only the pre-NoDo, but at least this shows it ain't ms's fault by any means.

The problem is that carriers can delay the update as much as they want until they 'approve' it. They then need to arrange a rollout date with Microsoft, which might not be as soon as the carrier wants it. Both sides can delay the update and ultimately there's only one person who loses out with such an arrangement.

Good thing the launch software is excellent as it is. There's no pressing need for updates, just want. Be patient, they'll come.

spenser.d said,
Good thing the launch software is excellent as it is. There's no pressing need for updates, just want. Be patient, they'll come.

hmmm must be using a different launch version of WP7 than a lot of us!

Byron_Hinson said,

hmmm must be using a different launch version of WP7 than a lot of us!

And what exactly is wrong with it? I've run into no problems and love it far more than any android/iOS device I've used.

Slight lie, I would like better MP search, but I can wait.

Byron_Hinson said,

hmmm must be using a different launch version of WP7 than a lot of us!

Seriously?... I enjoy WP7, yes it needs these updates badly, but I wouldn't say the launch version was a trainwreck, which is what you seem to be implying...

spenser.d said,
Good thing the launch software is excellent as it is. There's no pressing need for updates, just want. Be patient, they'll come.

You must have an HTC Arrive...

spenser.d said,

And what exactly is wrong with it? I've run into no problems and love it far more than any android/iOS device I've used.

Slight lie, I would like better MP search, but I can wait.

Slow to load apps, slow to load games, resuming takes too long, lack of apple like multitasking, improved browser, high priced apps compared to others, slow updates when bugs rear their head. Not saying its dire, but its far from anywhere near perfect and needs updates.

Byron_Hinson said,

Slow to load apps, slow to load games, resuming takes too long, lack of apple like multitasking, improved browser, high priced apps compared to others, slow updates when bugs rear their head. Not saying its dire, but its far from anywhere near perfect and needs updates.

Well I don't know which phone you have but my Focus is very slick. Loads and resumes apps quite fast. Haven't had any problems with the browser but it could always be better (can be said about any m.browser). App prices aren't fixed by a firmware update, nor does the slow updating process have anything to do with the update itself (that's MS and the carriers).

I've run into a couple glitches, but like you said, nothing dire. I can wait. Its still a much more enjoyable experience all around than android and iOS for me.

Byron_Hinson said,

Slow to load apps, slow to load games, resuming takes too long, lack of apple like multitasking, improved browser, high priced apps compared to others, slow updates when bugs rear their head. Not saying its dire, but its far from anywhere near perfect and needs updates.

I agree with everything but the game and app loading time has been fine on omnia 7, I guess I'm just lucky.

Byron_Hinson said,

Slow to load apps, slow to load games, resuming takes too long, lack of apple like multitasking, improved browser, high priced apps compared to others, slow updates when bugs rear their head. Not saying its dire, but its far from anywhere near perfect and needs updates.


I was actually impressed with Microsoft's response time when the Facebook app started crashing. What'd it take a day and a half to get an update out? I wouldn't call that a slow turnaround compared to other companies.

Byron_Hinson said,

hmmm must be using a different launch version of WP7 than a lot of us!

While I am annoyed that the update is still out on vacation, I admit that the launch OS that came on my Dell Venue Pro is nearly flawless. Outside from the Marketplace lock up, im very satisfied with the OS and my device.

Minimoose said,

I agree with everything but the game and app loading time has been fine on omnia 7, I guess I'm just lucky.

No, I'm quite happy with the load times on my Omnia 7 too

Byron_Hinson said,

Slow to load apps, slow to load games, resuming takes too long, lack of apple like multitasking, improved browser, high priced apps compared to others, slow updates when bugs rear their head. Not saying its dire, but its far from anywhere near perfect and needs updates.


I've had no problems with the time it takes to load applications. I can enter the Facebook application and view notifications within seconds. I'm using a phone purchased in October which doesn't have the NoDo update.

Minimoose said,

I agree with everything but the game and app loading time has been fine on omnia 7, I guess I'm just lucky.

Based on the fact that the Omnia 7 uses soldered NAND instead of a microSD card I expect that you have faster loading times than the majority of users - based on the idea that most WP7 devices currently are manufactured by HTC who use microSD cards…

MFH said,

Based on the fact that the Omnia 7 uses soldered NAND instead of a microSD card I expect that you have faster loading times than the majority of users - based on the idea that most WP7 devices currently are manufactured by HTC who use microSD cards…

Makes sense

Minimoose said,

I agree with everything but the game and app loading time has been fine on omnia 7, I guess I'm just lucky.

not really ive got a Omnia7 on 7004 (sadly) and the phones speed is brilliant, had it just over 2 weeks now

spenser.d said,
Good thing the launch software is excellent as it is. There's no pressing need for updates, just want. Be patient, they'll come.


There are plenty of places were it's severely lacking.

-email: no searching on the server means emails older that 2 weeks are invisible. I'm sure someone would suggest telling it to fetch more than 2 weeks of emails. Besides being and kludgy workaround it doesn't actually work because I get enough emails that the email app throws timeout errors during syncing if I set the fetch time higher. Even then, 1 month is still nowhere near enough time to obviate the need for server searching.

-calendar: can't sync multiple calendars from my exchange account (or any account since it's a well documented system limitation). Month view is useless and agenda view is not aligned properly, the padding between the date header and the content above/below is almost equal making it difficult to quickly visually group events. I completely agree with microsoft's design language and don't think they should include any dividers or lines, but they need to take their own advice and use whitespace/margin/padding effectively.

-system API's: absolutely ridiculous that I need to hack a Dell Venue Pro to use a flashlight app. iOS and Android both have dozens of flashlight apps that can use the bright camera LED (rather than the comparatively useless ‘light up your screen' flashlight apps). As I understand there are various other API's that MS doesn't provide.

-more advanced settings: MMS is unavailable on my phones because the APN creation options are very limited and I was not able to change the APN settings for MMS

-copy and paste: if you don't use this, congratulations. I use it several times a week. Typically in critical situations; ie. someone texts me and needs someone's contact info or my wife emails me a block of text to update a page in her wordpress site.

-wifi: I'd appreciate the ability to re-hide my router at Microsoft's earliest convenience.

-browser: I'd like a browser that at least supported media queries. With all the crap MS bolted on to IE mobile, you'd think they'd add the few lines of code to recognize the 2 or 3 media queries that would enable a bunch of mobile sites to function properly. Instead, the WP7 dev blog recommends adding even more IE conditionals to your site. Good luck with that, I'm sure web devs who are already extremely tired of needing to provide IE specific hacks are going to jump at the opportunity to add even more IE specific hacks to appease the tiny fraction of WP7 users.

-browser: the back stack needs to have all history pages inserted when the app starts. On android, when I go to the home screen, the re-launch the browser I have full use of the back button and can fully navigate through history. On WP7, if I exit the browser, then enter it later on I can't use the browser back button.

-mitigate the effects of poor hardware: MS relies to mush on hardware vendors. They need to insulate themselves more from poor hardware. For example, the camera button on the HD7 is garbage. It's extremely hard to press and unless you brace your phone very well all your pics will look shaky. When the apps core functionality is so dependent on the hardware, Microsoft is really leaving itself open to having the quality of it's OS dictated by shortcuts the OEM's take. For example, a secondary software shutter button would completely mitigate this issue.

There are probably more slight annoyances that I've forgotten since ditching my WP7 phones and grabbing a Nexus S.