Students largely ignore RIAA instant settlement offers

The RIAA has released figures regarding its recent campaign against file sharing at US colleges and universities: only 116 students of 400 have used their new web site to settle copyright infringement claims, meaning 284 (71%) of students contacted are undecided or aren't going to pay up. Students who ignore the pre-litigation letters are just asking the RIAA to pursue them more, so many find the money and put the problem behind them. The average settlement amount offered by the RIAA is about $3,000. According to the Associated Press, one student received a letter demanding $590,000 in payment. Public image hasn't been something that appears to concern the RIAA, but with music sales on the decline, perhaps they ought to be taking this more seriously.

The current approach by the RIAA is to simply tell students that each song shared is a $750 violation, so one's fine is often calculated based on the number of songs the RIAA says that they've shared. Yet the RIAA offers no proof of their claims, while sometimes trying to make students feel like they're getting a deal. Despite the low response, the RIAA believes that the program is going well, and they have sent another 405 pre-litigation letters to students at 23 universities. "This is not our preferred course, but we hope that students will understand the consequences of stealing music and that our partners in the college community will appreciate the proactive role they can play," said Cary Sherman, President of the RIAA.

News source: Ars Technica

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The RIAA just dont get it
We are in a new era of technology and most people now generally know how to downloads songs illegally and legally. The fact is that downloading songs will never go away let alone file sharing no matter how much restrictions you put on it. Its like the war on drugs there will never be full control over it. SO the RIAA can just face the fact that people will download songs illegally no matter what. And have to work with that.

holy cow...
how is copying steeling?
i hope they'll buy a dictionary with that money... might be a loss of profit, but i highly doubt that a student who has barely enough money to study and live will buy that much music as he downloads... probably close to none and will just turn on the radio...

Glassed Silver:mac

Holy crap this is good stuff...I usually feel like telling the persons that actually paid the RIAA something along the lines of "WHAT THE "F" WERE THINKING...ARE YOU STUPID" but then I think well if they paid then yes they are stupid or at least don't understand our legal system. Yes RIAA can sue you even if they don't have evidence against you although it won't go far, because as soon a federal judge sees no evidence in the case he/she will drop the case typically. What the RIAA is hoping is that there are still honest people in the world...or atleast frail scared freshmen with rich parents who will do anything to keep thier familys name out of the press. this sticker explains my feelings best -----> www.Jinx.com

only download albums that show up as "safe" ("This album was found not to have been released by a member of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).") on http://www.riaaradar.com

Stop giving the RIAA money so don't support the music of its members!

It's time we the public and consumer put an end to this RIAA, STOP buying Music, don't pay them a dime, the more they have to chase you the more money it costs them, these RIAA guys are no better than those Nigerian scam artists.

Also if we stop buying music, maybe these recording artists will finally do something about it, instead of commenting on how bad George W is and the War in Iraq etc...

Listen hear, All I want to hear from your mouth is your music , not some ogddam political BS, I'm smart enough to make my own damn decisions, so if your gonna bitch about the government, why not do something about how these RIAA bitches are screwing you up the ASS, as well as shaking down your fans.

You the musician can also put a stop to this RIAA and maybe you'll get more $$$, the RIAA will be gone, price of CD's will also drop, and maybe more people will be buying music again, instead of downloading it.

Boycott the RIAA and any record label that is in association with them !

F the RIAA! This is America bitches! I dled 5,000 songs illegally and im not goona pay up $3,750,000 u ****** RIAA members ! If the RIAA shows up at my doorstep Im gonna start swinging

NightmarE D said,
OK

Just keep in mind you were the first to implicate yourself over the internet on a forum that many people see ;)

i dont really care..for all they kno i could be joking or lieing

extortion - the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority. LMAO nice. Although its closer to blackmail almost... more like in the gray between the both.

L337$c0u7 said,
extortion - the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority. LMAO nice. Although its closer to blackmail almost... more like in the gray between the both.

Extortion: the act or practice of extorting esp. money or other property; specifically : the act or practice of extorting by a public official acting under color of office

I think with that definition you could argue extortion in court.

I say its only a matter of time before some poor student gets financially wiped out by a "fine", has to drop out of school, has a mental break down and goes on a shooting spree at a RIAA office.

This is not our preferred course

my ass that isn't their preferred course... those college kids will just be paying for these executives new cars.

someone should sue the RIAA for harassment... thats all they do...

To anyone who got sued: ignore anything the RIAA sends you. Face them in court, see how well their so called evidence holds up, when you win make them pay your legal costs

black_death said,
To anyone who got sued: ignore anything the RIAA sends you. Face them in court, see how well their so called evidence holds up, when you win make them pay your legal costs :)

and you could get quite a sum of punitive damages.

Sadly they'll just drop the suit if you show any signs of a defence.

Primexx said,

and you could get quite a sum of punitive damages.

Sadly they'll just drop the suit if you show any signs of a defence.


Well don't let that stop you. Counter-sue for defamation of character, emotional distress, lost wages, and anything else you can think of.

Croquant said,

Well don't let that stop you. Counter-sue for defamation of character, emotional distress, lost wages, and anything else you can think of.

God bless America!

Sadly they'll just drop the suit if you show any signs of a defence.

Apparently you did not read the recent news story where a judge refused to allow the RIAA to walk away from the case.
They are expected to lose and will probably have to pay all of the defendants legal fees, and may face a counter suit.

TRC said,
Apparently you did not read the recent news story where a judge refused to allow the RIAA to walk away from the case.
They are expected to lose and will probably have to pay all of the defendants legal fees, and may face a counter suit.

really? thats awesome! my dreams are coming true.

TRC said,

Apparently you did not read the recent news story where a judge refused to allow the RIAA to walk away from the case.
They are expected to lose and will probably have to pay all of the defendants legal fees, and may face a counter suit.

just reading got me hard :P I just wish people would sue them back until they go bankrupt or die, I prefer die.

Public image hasn't been something that appears to concern the RIAA, but with music sales on the decline, perhaps they ought to be taking this more seriously.

Unless the world has drastically changed since I was a teen, they are definitely alienating their primary demographic. Young people have a tendency to defy authority figures, and the RIAA is quickly becoming the ultimate negative authority figure. They really need to handle this issue with a bit more finesse if they expect any good long term results.

I understand the reason for the high fine, it is after all supposed to be illegal to download files so the fines add if you do that a lot. Like if you get 50 speeding tickets you don't expect that they'll reduce the fine just because you got more than one do you? If you do they don't anyway. Its the same here.

Though I agree the problem is not with the illegal downloads, the problem is with how the music is marketed. The labels just do not realize we don't want to buy a whole CD just for one good song. We also don't want DRM attached so we can't play the music we bought where we want to play it.
In some ways I don't like this trend as the "album" is slowly going away. We now want singles. Unfortunately that means a lot less full albums of songs that work together well. Of course if the music is good, we will buy it.

ghos said,
I understand the reason for the high fine, it is after all supposed to be illegal to download files so the fines add if you do that a lot. Like if you get 50 speeding tickets you don't expect that they'll reduce the fine just because you got more than one do you? If you do they don't anyway. Its the same here.
You have to realise though that the RIAA has no legal basis whatsoever to dish out fines like that, so you could pretty much ignore all their letters until they sue you. Then you put up the typical anti-RIAA defence and they'll drop the suit because they cant afford even the chance of having a precedence set against them.

ghos said,
I understand the reason for the high fine, it is after all supposed to be illegal to download files so the fines add if you do that a lot. Like if you get 50 speeding tickets you don't expect that they'll reduce the fine just because you got more than one do you? If you do they don't anyway. Its the same here.
not really, do you have to pay for everytime that the cops assumed you have sped once you finally got caught? I mean so you get caught going 50 in a 30, now the cops say you owe us 590,000 because your car looks like it speeds all the time. That is what the RIAA is trying to accomplish.

ghos said,
In some ways I don't like this trend as the "album" is slowly going away. We now want singles. Unfortunately that means a lot less full albums of songs that work together well. Of course if the music is good, we will buy it.

Unless they can present us with a new Pink Floyd instead of scrummy Shakira et als. The difference is that you put the 'Dark side of the moon' or 'The wall' into your CD player and listen to it from the beginning to the end.

RanCorX2 said,
why do they always ask for ridiculous sums of money to be paid up? bunch of ***ks.

Because they work out how much it would cost to buy everything you have "stolen"

They expect 18 (or so) year olds to pay $590,000???? wtf is that? And most of them probably only have part time jobs to support themselves. How the hell do you expect anyone really... to pay that much?

I don't think that they're actually hoping for the total amount...they're prolly hoping their sent to jail and have to get a loan for probably 30% of that amount as a fine mandated by the courts.

Music sales are in decline not because of piracy, but because of the fact that most of it is dreck. It has even been proven that downloading alone has zero affect on sales.

Foub said,
Music sales are in decline not because of piracy, but because of the fact that most of it is dreck. It has even been proven that downloading alone has zero affect on sales.

Exactly, what is coming out on the big labels nowadays is just rubbish
The students are obviously smart enough to know that the Riaa doesn't have a legal foothold.

The RIAA could fo guck themselves in hell.

Why is music sales declining? Because of their DRM which prevents lawful use of the material. Why are they "fineing" students? Because they have no grounds on which to stand in court, so they resort to scare tactics to try and bully those stupid enough to fall prey to them. This is why they think it's going well, because they dont deserve ANY of the settlement payments, so ANY is a gain for them.

If everyone just boycott all RIAA companies the problem would be sovled in a matter of days.