Surge in Pirate Party/Young Pirates membership after verdict

In just seven hours following the sentencing of the "Pirate Bay Four" earlier today, more than 3,000 people have joined the Piratpartiet, the "Pirate Party". The influx of new people make Piratpartiet larger in terms of membership than three of the other seven parties represented with parliamentary seats.

According to their press release (translated by Google), Rick Falkvinge, the party leader, states that the "ruling [against the Pirate Bay] means that our political work must now be stepped up. We want to ensure that the Pirate Bay activities - to link people and information - is clearly lawful. And we want to do it for all people in Sweden, Europe and the world. We want it to be open for ordinary people to disseminate and receive information without fear of imprisonment or astronomical damages."

He goes on to claim that the Pirate Party is "a true grass-roots party, where each member makes a difference." The Piratpartiet does not simply have its sights set on changing the law in Sweden, but they are also seeking to make an impact in Europe "with the promise to fight against the zeal to control, censor and monitor the communications of ordinary people."

Elsewhere, the organization reports that the youth wing of the party, the Pirate Party Youth Young Pirates, has seen a surge of 1,500 new members, following the sentencing of the Pirate Bay. Stefan Flod, head of the Young Pirates, writes that "when young people get involved politically, it is a clear signal that [they] would not sit passively and watch how the adult world tear[s] down the knowledge society.... Now that we have a committed and well informed youth movement in politics, it is crucial to the establishment in fact also hear what they have to say."

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Tamatea said,
It's not about to pay or not to pay ... it's how much you pay this service ... today it's too expansive

While I agree with what you say, I have to disagree. I don't know about you, but have you worked for a large software development firm which employs over 4000 employees around the world? Have YOU invested time into coding a software? inventing a solution? have YOU invested money, time, effort into any of these?

I don't know. I think some firms and companies are charging the right amount, but what is the right amount? well, the right amount is when you feel that your software, which everyone will use, utilize and break has achieved its purpose for the price your consumer is willing to pay.

People work in the world to make an earning, to have a living and to sustain a good life. If we don't pay for anything how is money going to be circulating with in the economy? you need people to charge money. Money, while alot of people think, is quite renewable. It goes into the system and it comes out of the system back into the system..

Its only expensive because people have to put in more time so then the software does not fail, or have more bugs. Put it this way, the less buggy you want the software, the more you have to pay. It's the same with anything.

Piracy is bad, but companies need it in order to build hype, fame and reputation. Most pirates end up purchasing their software unless they're chronic-pirates who just warez for the hell of it sigh.

There is obviously a battle between people from all sides, the internet is becoming mainstream and people are scared on both sides, one side wants everything free and the other wants to make money, I think the "pirates" feel they will lose the freedom the internet once had before it was capitalized, remember when MP3s didn't exist? where was the money made then? CDs/Tapes etc now thats moved over to the internet, moved into unsafe waters. Pirates territory!
You can be sure there's going to be a war, its a digital war!
The internet provides safe harbor for a lot of pirates.

However this is just a front, the real problem is the divide between the rich and poor, this is what its all about always. Humans are still animals ruled by emotions you can never create a law everyone will comply to, right or wrong. It maybe very subtle but the instinct is still there.
Just like the animal kingdom they steal, scavenge and murder for a full stomach.
The day you'll never see a pirate is the day no-one has to ever starve.
TPB is just a scapegoat, see the bigger picture! There is always a reason, which is why there will always be a conflict.
Sure we're not cavemen but when you try to place control on a wild animal your going to get bitten!
It is unfair to the civilized honest worker who works his butt off so he can make a living. But copying has existed since the beginning of time.
When I release my work on the net, I sure hope it gets pirated to hell and back. lol Cos its going to be freeware. I just want to thanks all the amazing freeware developers out there for their real contributions to a better world. Peace. FREEDOMMM! lol

Chill out people, life finds a way! Pick a side and enjoy the ride!

Let's make a little list (not exhautive) of some things most of the morons who support the Pirate Bay activities will miss when EVERYONE will pirate EVERYTHING :

- No more movies in the cinema
- No more security updates
- No more Windows, MacOS X
- No more video games
- No more music on the radio or in any store
- No more free services from any company (hotmail, messenger, they will go with the bankrupcy of the company)

Someone, somewhere needs to be paid for his work. Think about it.

We want to ensure that the Pirate Bay activities - to link people and information - is clearly lawful

Ha ha ha ha, oh man this guy must be smoking something good!

Piracy will NEVER end, and the more you try to stop it and give it more attention, the more people that will join Piracy. Face it crybabies, you CAN'T stop Piracy.. It will evolve with whatever you throw at it so get with the program lmao!!

One of the larger things that the US produces is this "intellectual property." This party seems to think that a lot of people producing intellectual property around the world should be doing it for free.

It's quite simple really. If people had to create music, movies, and software for free they'd quit doing it because they have families to feed. The amount of content to "share" goes down dramatically and that would kill of piracy. And creativity.

Piracy is just a sick sense of entitlement that needs to be corrected.

Comparing what TPB provided with Google is just a thinly-veiled attempt to hide the fact you're grasping at straws for a justification to being angry.

The scopes of the two aren't even remotely the same. There are MULTIPLE other legitimate uses of Google's many services that don't break the law. Pretty much all use of TPB's services break the law and they and everyone else knows it. I'm not here to comment on the appropriate or just penalties of that, nor do I even care to comment on whether or not penalties should be levied, but to compare it with Google is pretty much admitting that you have no justification for finding the penalties inappropriate. Come back when you find a real argument and perhaps people would be more likely to be swayed by your voice.

Stupid, STUPID people! "I have the right to steal what isn't mine and you aren't going to stop me." I really, really hate that kind of thinking.

freeeekyyy said,
Stupid, STUPID people! "I have the right to steal what isn't mine and you aren't going to stop me." I really, really hate that kind of thinking.

There's a reason the law doesn't call it theft. Copyright infringement is something different.

Copyright may simply be something that is passing its time. It may have made sense when there was tremendous up-front costs in making content, that needed to be recouped a dime at a time. However, the barriers to entry for creating content are lower than ever.

It also, frankly, has not helped that the copyright industry has become increasingly militant against its own customers. This does not win you friends. They probably went way too far on the search for the last few percent of revenue.

Furthermore, there's this dramatic lack of touch with reality. They re-negotiate the agreement that people made with society 90 years ago, and expect society to basically give them a hand-out, in the form of continual extensions.

KavazovAngel said,
Anyone willing to team up with me to sue Google? :)


would we even stand a chance lol, i'm game dunno if it'll go anywhere tho. but count me in!

KavazovAngel said,
Anyone willing to team up with me to sue Google? :)

lets take down the whole internet!!!
after all without internet there's no piracy.

surikanta said,
lets take down the whole internet!!!
after all without internet there's no piracy. ;)


There was a lot of piracy before the internet. A LOT..

And TPB will probably win on appeal anyways. It's just pathetic that the RIAA/MPAA/etc. belive they can destroy TPB by suing them. Those guys just don't get it, do they?

I'm not sure what they expected to do by sending these four to jail. All it has done is given TPB free advertising on all the news channels around the world. I was watching Sky News this morning and it showed the web address, how to use it, what it lets you download, and all it would take is one simple Google search to work out the rest. All it's done is promoted the fact that things you normally have to pay for can be gotten free from this website. I'm sure the founders would be... well, 'happy' isn't the right word, but spending a year in jail after promoting what they believed in for so long, I don't think they'll mind too much, if indeed their appeal doesn't pass.

Apparently the site is only up for now until the lawyers get it taken down for good. So assuming they do, which is likely as it's been proven to be illegal, then giving out their address doesn't make much difference.

what said,
I'm not sure what they expected to do by sending these four to jail. All it has done is given TPB free advertising on all the news channels around the world. I was watching Sky News this morning and it showed the web address, how to use it, what it lets you download, and all it would take is one simple Google search to work out the rest. All it's done is promoted the fact that things you normally have to pay for can be gotten free from this website. I'm sure the founders would be... well, 'happy' isn't the right word, but spending a year in jail after promoting what they believed in for so long, I don't think they'll mind too much, if indeed their appeal doesn't pass.

I really don't believe there's going to be any jail time, they are not worried. and the site wont be taken down.

While i don't think so, i really hope they can make a difference. I am in no way a commy, but the current crisis the world is facing shows us that capitalism (and the greed is has generated) is an epic fail. A change in the minds of ppl is utterly needed, and i feel that in some way TPB is making a first tiny step in the right direction.
And, no, i don't belive that it is fine to steal, but changes occur only through harsh circumstances, in other words many ppl need to be punched in the face to realize how wrong they are behaving. Piracy is the punch of the small ppl in the fat face of the management.

You're assuming that all piracy is aimed at "faceless" large corporations, you forget that small businesses are also hit especially when it comes to software.

Just suppose copyright was abolished that would basically be the end of the vast majority of software, movies and music and all those jobs. #

Basically apart from a few exceptions there wouldn't be any money to be made so what would be the point?

m.keeley said,
Just suppose copyright was abolished that would basically be the end of the vast majority of software, movies and music and all those jobs. #

I disagree.

Copyright enables a specific business model: Selling the undifferentiated boxed copy/license. Without copyright, this product becomes a commodity with little profit.

You can still make money in that market:

1) Sell quality or consistency. I know if I buy a MP3 from Amazon, it will be 256k, the correct song, with sensible ID3 tags, fast download, etc. That's worth 10 or 15 cents even if there's no license fee.

2) Sell add-on services (Red Hat model)

3) Sell customization. I'm sure there's a lot of-- especially business software-- where many people would want it adapted specifically to their needs.

4) On a similar vein, sell demand-driven products. Hardware manufacturers have a vested interest in demand for better hardware, so they may sponsor the development of more demanding applications.

5) Sell meta-services. Develop a referral system (like Pandora or last.fm), for example.

I do web development for a living, and because each client is getting something unique, I don't need copyright to create an artificial scarcity of my work, and a value.

They're trying to organize a political party based on the sharing of illegal software and entertainment? Somehow I don't think this is going to work, especially with a name like the Pirate Party.

Raikou Tch said,
They're trying to organize a political party based on the sharing of illegal software and entertainment? Somehow I don't think this is going to work, especially with a name like the Pirate Party.

Well its more than the sharing, Changes of the copyright laws and to preserve our privacy. With the Swedish government bringing in new laws such as the "FRA-Law" that allows the National Defence Radio Establishment to scan all outgoing communications from inside the swedish borders and with the new IPRED-Law that gives lobby organizations more power than our own police, Things are getting more and more messed up. the Pirate Party wants to protect the individual, and does not encourage the breaking of laws.

They're trying to organize a political party based on the sharing of illegal software and entertainment? Somehow I don't think this is going to work, especially with a name like the Pirate Party.

Huh? It's working, and they were the third largest political party outside of the parliament in the Swedish 2006 election. From the look of things, they'll make an even better result in the upcoming election. They also have other topics on their agenda, such as defending online privacy rights.

So they stand for nothing other than copyright laws and online privacy? Great because that's so much more important than silly things like the economy.

Well as humans we don't like to be controlled, a bit like when they knuckled down on smoking.

More people have taken up the dirty deed.

The more you try and oppress a number of people, that in fact didn't break the law the more rebels are created and an army is formed to fight back.

There are thousands upon thousands of websites that link to files on the various sites we know, don't see them
in court.

lol, at my college, there's a group that likes to sit and smoke next to a No Smoking sign. Hell, not even the professors abide by the rule. And no one seems to care.

WAR-DOG said,
I don't know where you come from, but here it actualy lowered the number of smokers...


You should come to Kent, it's like 60% of the population smoke those cancer sticks.

Yes, they are not one of the seven represented in parliament as voted in, in 2006. However it is reportedly true they are now bigger than three parties.

The influx of new people make Piratpartiet larger in terms of membership than three of the other seven parties represented with parliamentary seats.

Yes, they are not one of the seven represented in parliament as voted in, in 2006. However it is reportedly true they are now bigger than three parties.

Indeed, but won't be in the actual election where people go to the voting booths, trust me. In that case, it would be amazing if they even got a place in the parliament.

Anyone can say they're a bigger party than x but it means nothing unless people actually vote for them come election time. Unless they have policies on economics, foreign policy etc then they don't stand a hope of getting anywhere it's like the UK Independant party here in the UK.

Jugalator said,
Uh... If you're a Swedish citizen, sign up for this political party at http://www.piratpartiet.se/

Uh... Great. Did someone forget to tell Sweden that *English* is the official business language of the world? If so, I'm telling them now so consider them *told*. Get with it...

non.sequitur2 said,
Uh... Great. Did someone forget to tell Sweden that *English* is the official business language of the world? If so, I'm telling them now so consider them *told*. Get with it...

Uh... WTF? The "official business language of the world" LOL. Where did you come up with that? It is a POLITICAL party in SWEDEN who speak in SWEDISH. Get with it...

Arrogant much, non.sequitur2? (Nice name, by the way).
Did someone forget to tell you that Swedish is the official language of (wait for it... wait for it... wait for it...) SWEDEN!

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