Survey: 23.8 percent of organizations will skip Windows 8 update

Microsoft is clearly hoping that Windows 8 will be used, not just by consumers but by large businesses. The company has already posted up some advice for large corporations on how to proceed with Windows 8 update plans.

However, many big businesses may not even bother with a Windows 8 upgrade. TechRepublic.com posted up the results of a new survey of 1,200 IT employees, asking about their company's plans to adopt Windows 8. The results show that 23.8 percent of them will flat out skip an update to Windows 8. Another 49.9 percent of the people who were survey have "no current plans" for a Windows 8 update but did admit that they could change their minds in the future.

Only 10.7 percent of the IT employees in the survey claim their company will update to Windows 8 in the next 12 months. Another 4.6 percent say they will wait until the first service pack for Windows 8 is launched. Finally, 11 percent of the people who were polled have plans to launch a Windows 8 upgrade but don't currently have any specific time on when that might happen.

The survey also claims that the new touch screen UI for Windows 8 was a big factor in businesses not wanting to upgrade, with 41.4 percent of the people who were polled citing it as a reason for their organization to not make the big change. Hopefully with the solid reviews the UI, and the rest of Windows 8, is getting from the media, some businesses might change their minds.

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Well, I think part of those 23.8% have a valid point.

There are some low level issues with Windows8 that some IT pros just can't get around.

Secure boot with bitlocker for one.
There doesn't seem to be any support for third party encryption tools in the secure boot path.
Many organizations have a need and have standardized on third party disk encryption schemes for their organization's line of business.
Until those things can get straightened out, I would hope they plan to skip it.

The IT folks who say no just because of the windows runtime and windows store apps are just daft.
When you have an actual business case like the one I've mentioned above, then we can talk like grownups.

Were still on XP at work but moving to 7 sometime next year.

I feel sorry for Microsoft etc, releasing a product which no businesses will use for years.

I just think it's down to whimps in charge to be honest!

... and 74% in total either skipping or with no plans to deploy in the foreseeable future.

This is the more interesting statistic in my opinion.

lets see here, hates economic times + massive upgrade figures for win7 = not surprising plans for win8 upgrade are low. Add to that the changes and its less surprising. Now if win8 gets on a lot of home pcs and folks start to use modern apps, along with ports of common business apps being made and the fact that there is now a tablet OS that can be managed via GP and you have massive potential, but there will be caution and scepticism.

i think they might skip Win 8 and in my thought they may wait to Win 9

think about it they next step i believe a hole new program for the company using the Touch interface

that would be the perfect usage for Win 8 or 9 because if they want to upgrade most of them will upgrade to Win 7 which would be the suitable for them go for Win 8 or higher if there apps are more Modern.....(Metro if you know what i mean).

it's just an idea though

Kenny Kanashimi Chu said,
For me Win 8 is essentially same as Win 7. Just the startmenu has been replaced by Modern Interface.

Hum.... no.

For the one that can't find I/O on disk, it's right where it always was.

Windows key + X Choose taskmanager
Choose performance
Click open Resource meter

insert foot in mouth

Btw Windows key X is the best shortcut EVER!

Larry Willits said,
For the one that can't find I/O on disk, it's right where it always was.

Windows key + X Choose taskmanager
Choose performance
Click open Resource meter

insert foot in mouth

Btw Windows key X is the best shortcut EVER!

For you "I/O Reads" is the same as "Read (B/sec)", for me - not.

My org is skipping W8 and WS2012 altogether. Microsoft forces their s..t down the users throat, users skip it.

lexp said,
My org is skipping W8 and WS2012 altogether. Microsoft forces their s..t down the users throat, users skip it.

Microsoft also forced Windows 7. Everyone here bought it up. What's changed now?

Windows 7 was a natural evolution of the desktop env. first introduced back in the 95 era. But Windows 8 is something radical in that frame of thought. The fanboy logic fails every time for the simplest reason. No OS or software & hardware/combination is good for all of your tasks. Windows 8 is clearly intended for touch. Most businesses will stay away. (hardcore software[linux] and hardware engineers, game designers, coders, basically everything that requires designing - i'm referring to 1000+ employees companies.)


Just blind misinformed teens.. on these forums because your generations likes it FLASHY. Because of your generation games are dumbed down to point and shoot.. but i must admit off-topic. I love the drum&bass . - and not the Surface commercial didn't convince me.


Dot Matrix said,

Microsoft also forced Windows 7. Everyone here bought it up. What's changed now?

For those who talk about microsoft having sold already 4.000.000 licenses.
Since its launch in October 2009 till June 2012, Windows 7 has sold 600.000.000 licenses.
So even if Win8 sell witth that rate (4M a month) for the same period, it will only reach ~ 1/4 of Win7 sales....!!! So, yeah, i don't think it's doing good!

tomasse said,
For those who talk about microsoft having sold already 4.000.000 licenses.
Since its launch in October 2009 till June 2012, Windows 7 has sold 600.000.000 licenses.
So even if Win8 sell witth that rate (4M a month) for the same period, it will only reach ~ 1/4 of Win7 sales....!!! So, yeah, i don't think it's doing good!


Not 4M in a mont, 4 million in 3 days, if it continues at that rate it'll crush the Win 7 sales. At least use the numbers correctly.

Well, even if that's the case, it doesn't really say much.
There isn't anything to show that it will continue at that rate.
OS X Mountain Lion sold 3M in 4 days, but we all know how much impact did that make, according to the lower numbers of userbase that use macos globally.
So, unless a substansial amount of time passes to get conclusive results, these numbers have no other use or meaning to us, the end users.
It's just marketing and promotion tactics!

still1 said,
windows 8 will fail. deal with it all you crying babies.

Then why hasn't is already? If there's anyone crying here, it seems to be you.

Hey you, avid avenger of Windows 8!!!...just shut up, and get informed about the numbers. Or what?? you can't read statistics? (I've seen your other comments, and booy must I ask: How much, from Microsoft? Because no-one in the right mind can ignore figures and numbers, be they all round suggestive). Just look at the Desktop version..it is UGLY inconsistent, and feels like an unfinished product. That is what you get when Microsoft chases both businesses and end-users. both end up getting this..Frankenstein OS, or bipolar OS.... But I must admit, windows 8 is more secure (but just plain ugly..Microsoft only implements an idea, design wise 65% to 80% and who grew up with Microsoft, knows this.)

Dot Matrix said,

Then why hasn't is already? If there's anyone crying here, it seems to be you.

Dot Matrix said,

Then why hasn't is already? If there's anyone crying here, it seems to be you.


its easy to point finger when you feel guilty isnt it?

Dot Matrix said,

Then why hasn't is already? If there's anyone crying here, it seems to be you.


Why it hasn't already? Because it was released just 10 days ago, which is the time analysts start basing their work on. There'll be a flood of these reports early next year, don't worry.

Northgrove said,

Why it hasn't already? Because it was released just 10 days ago, which is the time analysts start basing their work on. There'll be a flood of these reports early next year, don't worry.

So? It had a successful launch. People saw it in action, and know what it is. Seems far from a failure at this point.

MorganX said,
Most still need to move to 7. XP to 8 is a big retraining effort.

Not really... what part do you need to be trained in? If you cant figure out how to use a computer, you shouldnt be using one.

MorganX said,
Most still need to move to 7. XP to 8 is a big retraining effort.

XP to 7 would be something of a training effort, too. My employer is actually looking to skip 7 entirely. We might possibly go with a corporate license for Stardock's Start8 or something if a user has too many problems, but otherwise 8 seems to be kind of a no-brainer, frankly.

ingramator said,

Not really... what part do you need to be trained in? If you cant figure out how to use a computer, you shouldnt be using one.

Please train me how to see IO reads and IO writes in the new Task Manager.

You're fired.

ingramator said,

Not really... what part do you need to be trained in? If you cant figure out how to use a computer, you shouldnt be using one.

The problem with this is that IT managers are power users their users are often novices at best. When Vista came out lots of companies upgraded to vista but then downgraded back to XP after furious complaints from staff. I wonder like to see how many new pc's and laptops are returned over the next 6 months from users who got win8 pre-installed, i suspect it will be high.

Anything's possible but there's a major difference between 8 and Vista. Vista had problems due to hardware, drivers, etc. I waited until near the end of Vista's life cycle before getting Vista64 which ran flawlessly. Windows 8 doesn't have those same problems, it's just there's a learning curve. It all works but it works differently.

laserfloyd said,
Anything's possible but there's a major difference between 8 and Vista. Vista had problems due to hardware, drivers, etc. I waited until near the end of Vista's life cycle before getting Vista64 which ran flawlessly. Windows 8 doesn't have those same problems, it's just there's a learning curve. It all works but it works differently.

I have had problems, but I get the impression that's more unusual than for Vista. Despite it's massive changes from an application and end user perspective, at its core 8 isn't that different from Vista/7 internally whereas Vista was a massive overhaul at its core relative to XP.

We're still on Windows XP only just started upgrading some of the PC's to Windows 7 so I don't see us going to 8 anytime soon

Windows 8. Phones, Tablets, YES. Desktops, NO. I am skipping 8, the first Microsoft Op/Sys ever. I cant see anything to increase my productivity. But on my Tablet, it is great, So I do use it somewhere.

NinjaGinger said,
Windows 8. Phones, Tablets, YES. Desktops, NO. I am skipping 8, the first Microsoft Op/Sys ever. I cant see anything to increase my productivity. But on my Tablet, it is great, So I do use it somewhere.

It's definitely faster and presumably more stable than 7. Besides that, yes, I don't see a single reason why the average Joe would want to upgrade.

Even if there are companies who have not yet made the jump to 7 and are willing to wait, they now also have to worry about their overall TCO in terms of staff productivity and training.

I guess the biggest market would be OEMs. Let's see.

NinjaGinger said,
Windows 8. Phones, Tablets, YES. Desktops, NO. I am skipping 8, the first Microsoft Op/Sys ever. I cant see anything to increase my productivity. But on my Tablet, it is great, So I do use it somewhere.

Start8 is your friend.

I don't think Windows 8 brings any value for any business apart from the fact of windows 8 tablets which is not necessarily need them to upgrade or anything.

Almost 25% is really good, considering the whole new Windows 8 experience. My company, a medium sized Engineering company, recently (within the last year) moved most of the computers to 7.

My new company, Metro Vancouver (with well over 1000 employees), is still on XP for god sakes. Talk about slow. They're just started a few months ago "to test" the iPhone.

that is pretty much nornal. an entire new UI and new UX would of course garner little support. but if 23.8% are going all flat out NO than that is not too bad.

kinpin said,
Actually the first Service Pack for Windows 8 got released just before it came it.

There are no service packs for Windows 8. Nor will there be.

Raa said,

There are no service packs for Windows 8. Nor will there be.

we don't know that for certain, even if ms is planning to skip service packs i'm certain that corporation will force ms to release atleast one service pack.

Raa said,

There are no service packs for Windows 8. Nor will there be.

No, but I'd expect there to be a significant improvement over time with cumulative updates and that after some point it will basically be at the stage where a service pack tag would once have been applied.

kinpin said,
Actually the first Service Pack for Windows 8 got released just before it came it.

Do you eve know what a service pack is? Judging from your comment I'd say not since you think that a day one patch is a service pack.

So what? There's nothing new here. Companies choose to skip OS releases every time round. It is totally dependent on when they last updated, their current economic status and if updating is going to benefit the business or its employees in any way.

To be honest though, those figures look like a higher adoption rate then previous OS releases!

The first 3 categories should be one and their answer: "are you kidding me?"

Even home users are skipping, companies will adopt? It's well-known companies updating much harder for many reasons.

4 million people purchased an upgrade the first weekend of it's release. That's not OEM sales (which make up the majority of windows licenses), but people actually purchasing it themselves.

Nice try.

-Razorfold said,
4 million people purchased an upgrade the first weekend of it's release. That's not OEM sales (which make up the majority of windows licenses), but people actually purchasing it themselves.

Nice try.

4M around the world? A mediocre-good game can sell likewise. Also, all the totally free licenses with WMC keys included, right? Since... They appear fully legit and certainly have been recorded. MS sent the emails and did the activations.

Nice trick to push your new product, since, probably did not went as expected. They also had to do something for the blocking of the previous illegaly-activation method. And so they did...

Edited by PC EliTiST, Nov 4 2012, 11:58pm :

PC EliTiST said,
4M around the world? A mediocre-good game can sell likewise.

A good amount of people normally don't buy a retail copy of Windows. They just get the one that's installed with their computer and use it. So 4 million upgrade copies is pretty dam good.

In comparison, MS sold 175 million licenses of Windows 7 (including OEMs) in the first 10 months. That works out to be about 583,000 licenses a day. Now let's go back to the Windows 8 sales, 4 million in 3 days equals to be about 1.3 million copies a day.

So judging by your logic, nobody wanted to buy Windows 7 right? It was a total failure of an OS.

Also, all the totally free licenses with WMC keys, included, right? Since... They appear fully legit and certainly well recorded. MS sent the emails and did the activations.

What free licenses? The free WMC keys only activated the $10 WMC addon, that's it. They weren't copies of Windows 8 that you could install for free.

Nice trick to push your new product, since, probably did not went as expected. They also had to do something for the blocking of the previous illegaly-activation method. And so they did...

Um the free WMC keys were released the day Windows 8 released. And if someone hates Windows 8, a free WMC key isn't going to change their mind. Less than 10% of people even use WMC which is why MS got rid of it and made it an optional extra.

Microsoft said 4 million UPGRADES of Windows 8 were PURCHASED. So no the illegal activations don't count as purchases.

Nice try, again.

Edited by -Razorfold, Nov 4 2012, 11:23pm :

-Razorfold said,

What free licenses? The free WMC keys only activated the $10 WMC addon, that's it. They weren't copies of Windows 8 that you could install for free.

Nice try, again.

O.K... I don't have anything else to say. It's certain, you know very well what you're talking about.

For MS, Win 8 is a great deal and they must spread it at all costs. Until 31 Jan the offer is active, expect a nice amount of such copies.

Edited by PC EliTiST, Nov 4 2012, 11:24pm :

PC EliTiST said,

O.K... I don't have anything else to say. It's certain, you know very well what you're talking about.

For MS, Win 8 is a great deal and they must spread it at all costs. Until 31 Jan the offer is active, expect a nice amount of such copies.


Yes because you know the vast majority of people who use Windows know all about KMS activations. It's clearly a well known thing, brb let me ask my wife if she knows what the hell I'm talking about.

Tell me something, if like you said, people hate Windows 8 so much why would they bother installing it? (Both legal and pirated copies). People who hate it aren't suddenly going to go OH **** I MUST GET 8 FOR FREE, they're just going to go well I can stick with Windows 7.

And also read what I said. 4 million upgrade licenses were PURCHASED the first weekend, do you know what purchased means? It means people paid money for it, most likely through the upgrade advisor program you have to download to get Windows 8. The free WMC keys don't count as PURCHASES.

-Razorfold said,
4 million people purchased an upgrade the first weekend of it's release. That's not OEM sales (which make up the majority of windows licenses), but people actually purchasing it themselves.

Nice try.

Wow, this again?


It was $15. Not really a fair comparison is it?

I upgraded to it shortly after release but ended up rolling it back Windows 7 as on my PC at least I just had too many issues that I couldn't face trying to fix or worse live with when Windows 7 is currently solid as a rock on this PC, does everything I need and will be fully supported until at least 2015. I will definitely have to look at it again in the future as it improves and Windows 7 starts to really fall behind, but I'll also consider alternatives, possibly a future Mac OS when it comes to new hardware time. Also I'd expect Windows 8+ to work out of the box with a new PC without some of the issues.

This is one pretty enthusiastic user on one PC who finds it's too much hassle to get involved in the upgrade for now. So for an enterprise with many PCs and bespoke/legacy applications and a lot of money relying on machines that are working now the fact they aren't all rushing is hardly surprising.

rpsgc said,

It was $15. Not really a fair comparison is it?

$15 for people who bought a laptop in the past three months, yes I know you used to be able to do it for any laptop but MS fixed it a while back. If you try now it will ask you for your OEM key and verify it. If it doesn't match (or you're just upgrading an older copy), then you're paying $40-60. Win 7 upgrades were $50-100 ($50 for home premium and $100 for pro).

MS ran the same promotion for Windows Vista -> 7, except in that case if you bought a computer within the 3 months prior to release you got 7 for free (not $15, free). Then they did the house party thing where you got 7 ultimate for free if you signed up on a website and you didn't even have to do or pay anything for it.

And who cares about the cost? He claimed nobody wants Windows 8, but yet people are buying it. If they hated it and didn't want it they wouldn't bother paying the money for it, regardless of how cheap it was.

I bought it at £24.99 (UK) when I wasn't really sure if I'd be happy with it or not.

I don't think I'd have been as likely to try an £89.99 upgrade or whatever the higher price point might be when I was unsure.

-Razorfold said,

$15 for people who bought a laptop in the past three months, yes I know you used to be able to do it for any laptop but MS fixed it a while back. If you try now it will ask you for your OEM key and verify it. If it doesn't match (or you're just upgrading an older copy), then you're paying $40-60. Win 7 upgrades were $50-100 ($50 for home premium and $100 for pro).

MS ran the same promotion for Windows Vista -> 7, except in that case if you bought a computer within the 3 months prior to release you got 7 for free (not $15, free). Then they did the house party thing where you got 7 ultimate for free if you signed up on a website and you didn't even have to do or pay anything for it.

And who cares about the cost? He claimed nobody wants Windows 8, but yet people are buying it. If they hated it and didn't want it they wouldn't bother paying the money for it, regardless of how cheap it was.

You are again wrong. You just learnt about KMS, but you didn't learn all the facts straight.

1. All the guys who previously were using the Loader ( or even had a very old legal XP/Vista/7 key ), they can update for only 15$.

2. The rest of the guys who were using Loader or any other such method, they certainly know about this new method. Simply because it's the new method approved by MS and it's as easy as possible. You just type 3 lines instead of one, only the code.

Now, until 31 Jan, the amount will certainly be at least... fair. Bringing your wife as example, ain't the best argument. I'd say do not underestimate what many know and will do.

So... With one or another way, everyone now is legally activated and as such have been recorded by MS. Everyone is happy ( happy end ).

Edited by PC EliTiST, Nov 5 2012, 4:48am :

You are again wrong. You just learnt about KMS, but you didn't learn all the facts straight.

I've known about KMS for a long time, it's nothing new and has been used for office for a while now.

1. All the guys who previously were using the Loader ( or even had a very old legal XP/Vista/7 key ), they can update for only 15$.

No they cannot. MS fixed the $15 offer a while back, it now verifies your win7 key/COA before giving you the discount. Try it and come back, it won't give you a windows 8 serial. I don't know why that "loophole" was left open but it no longer is. You have to have an OEM serial/COA that was issued in the past 3 months, any more than that and it will fail verification.

Yes you can still activate it the other way but that aren't counted in upgrade purchases since guess what they aren't purchases.

And not to mention Windows 7 had the same offer for people who bought Vista 3 months before 7's release, except in that case it was free. And guess what? People abused it back then too. There was also the Windows 7 house party which gave you a retail copy of 7 Ultimate for free just for filling in a form on their website. But even with all that Windows 8 upgrades were a lot lot more than 7.

Now, until 31 Jan, the amount will certainly be at least... fair. Bringing your wife as example, ain't the best argument. I'd say do not underestimate what many know and will do.

...Stop judging what you read on the internet as people in the real world. The majority of people have no idea what KMS activation is. People on this forum and other forums do, but they're a small small percentage of the real world.

So... With one or another way, everyone now is legally activated and as such have been recorded by MS. Everyone is happy ( happy end ).

Um no, read what I said again (for the third time) the four million upgrades were purchases, not activations. That means if you purchase windows 8 but didn't activate it, MS still counts it as a license sold (because well it is).

MS has also mentioned that corporations / OEMs have purchased tens of millions of licenses for Windows 8 through corporate licensing. They may not activate all those licenses, but it still counts as a sale. MS doesn't earn money when you activate your license, they earn it when you purchase it. If you choose not to install it, that's your problem (and your waste of money).

Ballmer also had a big number to report on sales to business customers, apparently referring to volume licensing and Software Assurance subscription sales. “We have sold tens of millions of units to our corporate customers, who can upgrade when they want to, but have no time pressure to do that any time soon,” Ballmer said. Those who bought Windows 8 consumer upgrade licenses are also not obligated to install the new bits right away.

Edited by -Razorfold, Nov 5 2012, 5:20am :

-Razorfold said,
No they cannot. MS fixed the $15 offer a while back, it now verifies your win7 key/COA before giving you the discount. Try it and come back, it won't give you a windows 8 serial. I don't know why that "loophole" was left open but it no longer is. You have to have an OEM serial/COA that was issued in the past 3 months, any more than that and it will fail verification.

Wrong.
windowsupgradeoffer dot com is a third party site which microsoft contracted out the upgrade offer. There is no COA verification to get the discount code from there.
When you run the online upgrade asisstant, it doesn't check any keys on your system.

I've upgraded systems with pirate keys, activation bypass, No-Key installs of Windows 7, and even one Legit License; ALL of them at $14.95 using discount codes from that site.

deadonthefloor said,

Wrong.
windowsupgradeoffer dot com is a third party site which microsoft contracted out the upgrade offer. There is no COA verification to get the discount code from there.
When you run the online upgrade asisstant, it doesn't check any keys on your system.

I've upgraded systems with pirate keys, activation bypass, No-Key installs of Windows 7, and even one Legit License; ALL of them at $14.95 using discount codes from that site.


Did you bother reading what I said? Microsoft have FIXED it, try it now and tell me what you get.

Oh will you look at that: http://i.imgur.com/QdCE0.png

It doesn't matter what you put into the previous form you WILL get that validation screen now.

This kind of survey isn't as relevant this time around. It's not the same type of upgrade as we saw with XP to Win 7. If Enterprise adopts Win 8 then they'll likely have a split 7/8 environment. Nobody in their right mind is going to upgrade all the desktop machines from 7-8 for the sake of upgrading.

daz411 said,
This kind of survey isn't as relevant this time around. It's not the same type of upgrade as we saw with XP to Win 7. If Enterprise adopts Win 8 then they'll likely have a split 7/8 environment. Nobody in their right mind is going to upgrade all the desktop machines from 7-8 for the sake of upgrading.

Indeed, most organisations have only just upgraded to Windows 7, or are in the process of doing so now. Why would they be contemplating upgrading all their machines to Windows 8 now? What's more likely to happen is for Windows 8 to trickle out as part of a natural PC refresh cycle, or "big bang" at a later date once their Windows 7 installs have been out there for a sufficient length of time to provide a ROI.

HoochieMamma said,
I'm surprised it's that low to be honest.
Consider the 49.9 saying they don't have plans to but may reconsider in the future. Most businesses are reasonable and realize they can't predict the future.

HoochieMamma said,
I'm surprised it's that low to be honest.

I thought it was pretty low as well, until I saw the second option, the idea of "never say never."