Syria Suspicious of Israel, Blocks Facebook

Syrian authorities have blocked Facebook, the popular Internet hangout, over what seems to be fears of Israeli "infiltration" of Syrian social networks on the Net, according to residents and media reports. Residents of Damascus said that they have not been able to enter Facebook for more than two weeks. An Associated Press reporter got a blank page when he tried to open Facebook's home page Friday from the Syrian capital.

Syrian officials were not available for comment Friday because of the Muslim weekend, but some reports have suggested that the ban was intended to prevent Israeli users from infiltrating Syrian social networks. Lebanon's daily As-Safir reported that Facebook was blocked on Nov. 18. It said the authorities took the step because Israelis have been entering Syria-based groups.

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All these mosly infantile immature reactions prove to me only one thing.

Not even we in this forum are capable of arguing rationaly about a simple statement about Facebook and the Syrian Boycott of it.

You all just vent anger about a extremely tragic period in all of our lives whether we are Jew Muslim Gentile or whatever.

Our only hope in this world comes from ourselves and our ability to find a common understanding about the issues of our times.

Anger has only blinded us and hidden the truth from us. Sometimes we must resort to plain logic.

Logic= NOT BLOWING UP CHILDREN IN BUSES NOT BLOWING UP GIANT TOWERS IN NEW YORK NOT MURDERING INNOCENT CHILDREN WHILE THEY SLEEP NOT SPREADING PROPAGANDA NOT USING CROWDED CIVILLIAN CENTERS TO FIRE MISSILES INTO POPULATED CITIES WHERE ARABS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS LIVE AND WORK WHO ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ETHNIC AND POLITICAL IDEALS.

Both countries kill each other, we shouldn't throw authenticity at either ...

As for Israel being attacked by terrorists, they are ... its a shame, but you should probably ask them how they got Israel in the first place - a wave of terrorist attacks against British interests, who controlled the land at the time (I believe because the Ottoman Empire fall apart and they previously controlled it) ... so either terrorism is only OK when its for their side or more reasonably, both sides are/were fighting for independence through terrible means ... the British gave the Israelis land they claimed was theres, I don't see the Israelis giving any to the Palestinians though.

Christians and Muslims pretty much control 90% of the world... why can't the Jews have one tiny country for themselves? If the Palestinians aren't happy they should just get the freak off of Israeli land and move to a country where 99% of people share the same beliefs as them. I mean really.. you can make arguments about the principle of self-autonomy and all that but if you look at it practically.. the Palestinians have a choice of just about anywhere in the Middle East to go... and a lot of other foreign countries as well.. or they can just put up with being part of Israeli and stfu. It might not be an argument that's principally flawless, but god damn just give the Jews a country and leave them alone...

what a funny logic you got there ...
"LEAVE THE JEWS ALONE !!" ... lol you remind me of someone ...

having no "tiny country" is NOT an excuse for all the killing and taking some one else's land ...

syria thought she can support hizbula(urine people) and the same time developed nuclear weapon.
the israeli superior army has got those nuclear site demolished from the face of the earth. even the russain's dont understand how israeli's manage to sneak into syria without being detected by their latest air-defence system, boom boom, and salami alihum.
then they cry to UN that "israel gave us wee wee, and now its sore to pee." LOL

its like in iraq or in gaza they shot morters or other destrutive weapon from far, and hide behind woman and children. its the "mohamad tactic." ROFL.


alla hu akbar, becouse it seems he love's hristians or jews, muslims not to much, he has to many of them.

z0phi3l said,
Wow who would have though there were this many Anti semitics here?

Being an anti-Israeli and an anti-Jew are two different things. Also I should remind you what a Semite is. Semites are Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Phoenician, Maltese, Tigre and Tigrinya which include all people of the middle east including Persians such as Iranians, Egyptians etc. So if some of our middle eastern counterparts here hate jews (for some bizzare reason) they cannot be "anti-semites" as they are semites themselves, but Zionists will argue this because zionists are the "jews-only for everything" crowd.

So, how do I know all this? My best friend is a Jew and my second cousin is in the Israeli Army. She as a Bosnian Muslim was accepted by Israel as a refugee and then she became a citizen, though, she still complains that dispite Israels overwhelming support for our family in times of need, her rights are still restricted just because she is a muslim. Israel has youth curfews or at least had, I dunno if they still do, so, muslim and christian youth had to be home by 9pm while jewish youth, their limit was till 12am. Equal rights, yeah right!

Anyway, back to the quote, MANY people here would most likely be anti-Israeli due to what Israel does to its people and neighbours as a country, but hardly anyone is anti-Jew.

Random israelis:
IM IN UR SOCIAL NETWURK JUST BEIN ANUTHER HUE-MAN.

Syria:
Knowledge and understanding are the plague! Let's put a stop to this!

paulblacko said,
Syria is not ready for Facebook.

It is not a democracy.

It is a regimen that breeds hatred of democracy.


Your the one full of hatred go back to the filth you came from..

The people over there never asked for western democracy so back the **** out.

You can't spread democracy at the end of a gun. Its like raping to protect virginity. Iraq is voting itself into a theocracy.

BTW, the USA is not and has never been a democracy itself. It is a Constitutional Republic with a democratic tradition. The founding fathers didn't want to put that much control into the hands of the people.

Your the one full of hatred go back to the filth you came from..

The people over there never asked for western democracy so back the **** out.

Knowledge is power. Paradoxically only those with knowledge realise this, hence lack of knowledge breeds hate and ignorance.

Windam said,

Your the one full of hatred go back to the filth you came from..

The people over there never asked for western democracy so back the **** out.

What "paulblacko" said is historically true and factual:

1) Syria supports Hezbollah
2) Syria supports anti-government forces in Lebanon and has been implicated in the recent assassinations of several Lebanese leaders recently, including the assassination of former Lebanese premier Rafik Hariri - who vehemently opposed Syrian influence and subtefuge in Lebanon
3) Syria is a go-between for weapons shipments between Iran & Hezbollah

Show otherwise or go sit and spin.

Windam said,
Your the one full of hatred go back to the filth you came from..

The people over there never asked for western democracy so back the **** out.

Demonstration of hypocrisy.

Foub said,
You can't spread democracy at the end of a gun. Its like raping to protect virginity. Iraq is voting itself into a theocracy.

Have you ever heard of Italy?

Foub said,
BTW, the USA is not and has never been a democracy itself.

Oh, aren't you witty! Right the USA isn't a democracy, and neither is the UK, France, Canada, or virtually every other democracy in the world. Constitutional monarchies and constitutional republics are the closest thing to 'pure' democracy realistically possible.

Windam said,

Your the one full of hatred go back to the filth you came from..

The people over there never asked for western democracy so back the **** out.


Your reaction just proves my point

I suppose it's harder to maintain an air of suspicion and hatred when your citizens realize that your enemies are not all bad, and are as human as they are.

I guess many would disagree especially when all they see is exchanged hatred from the enemy

I mean using Google Suggest start typing "Israel attacks" and the first completion is "Israel Attacks Syria"; ironic isnt it?

whether we agree with the Syrians' ideology or not, the way i see it is that the country has to protect itself as this is the "right" thing to do for its people (again, we dont have to agree/disagree with the Syrians/Israelis since this is a logical defensive stance any country would take)

my $0.02

abulfares said,
I guess many would disagree especially when all they see is exchanged hatred from the enemy

I mean using Google Suggest start typing "Israel attacks" and the first completion is "Israel Attacks Syria"; ironic isnt it?

whether we agree with the Syrians' ideology or not, the way i see it is that the country has to protect itself as this is the "right" thing to do for its people (again, we dont have to agree/disagree with the Syrians/Israelis since this is a logical defensive stance any country would take)

my $0.02

Your first sentence only supports the claim that Syria tries to promote its people that all Israelis hate her, and is "all bad".
Israel, is, after all, a true Democracy with many disagreements among herself. The Israeli Govement doesn't prevent her Citizens from interacting with people from other countries...

Israel attacks Syria because, as Israel claim, she supports (financially, and by providing people, and educating to hatred) the Hizballah attacks.

Syria has the right to protect herself, but that has nothing to do with hiding the truth from her people. We mustn't support Dictators.

mule said,
Your first sentence only supports the claim that Syria tries to promote its people that all Israelis hate her, and is "all bad".
Israel, is, after all, a true Democracy with many disagreements among herself. The Israeli Govement doesn't prevent her Citizens from interacting with people from other countries...

Israel is more of a theocracy than a democracy in that they also have a two tiered citizen structure based on their religion. Israeli nationals have more rights and freedoms than Israeli citizens. Only Jews can be Nationals while almost anyone can be a citizen. Nationals have access to better education and health care than citizens and can live ANYWHERE within Israel and the OT.

Israel attacks Syria because, as Israel claim, she supports (financially, and by providing people, and educating to hatred) the Hizballah attacks.

Which in turn was created because of Israeli attacks in the first place on Syria.

Syria has the right to protect herself, but that has nothing to do with hiding the truth from her people. We mustn't support Dictators.

Tell that to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as well as many other Middle-Eastern nations the US supports that are basically dictatorships. The only difference between them and Iraq was that they remained "pro-American".

Foub said,
Israel is more of a theocracy than a democracy in that they also have a two tiered citizen structure based on their religion. Israeli nationals have more rights and freedoms than Israeli citizens. Only Jews can be Nationals while almost anyone can be a citizen. Nationals have access to better education and health care than citizens and can live ANYWHERE within Israel and the OT.

Non-Jews citizens in Israel have the power to say whatever they want.
Israel has free press and free elections. The Kneset reflects all the nationals in Israel.
It's true there are still a lot of discriminations.
This, ofcurse, can't be said about Syria nor any other middle-east country.
Israel democracy isn't nearly perfect. It's just the best in the middle-east.

Which in turn was created because of Israeli attacks in the first place on Syria.

I'm considering myself pretty knowledgeable about Israel history. Examples if you please?

Tell that to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as well as many other Middle-Eastern nations the US supports that are basically dictatorships. The only difference between them and Iraq was that they remained "pro-American".

Syria uses Hezbollah to directly attack Israel. She controls Lebanon's government because she can use this method to attack Israel. This is something Pakistan and Saudi Arabia isn't known for doing. Not to me nor to the Israeli government.

mule said,
Non-Jews citizens in Israel have the power to say whatever they want.

But who is listening? Sure, it is just that the Jews are more equal.

Israel has free press and free elections. The Kneset reflects all the nationals in Israel.
It's true there are still a lot of discriminations.
This, ofcurse, can't be said about Syria nor any other middle-east country.

This still doesn't change the fact that Jews get better treatment than others there so they really can't call themselves a democracy when they have this enforced by law.

BTW, do they still have that silly law about the sabbath where you can't turn a switch nor turn anything on on the sabbath because it is considered starting a fire and that is work? They had to re-design all of their electronics and electrical devices to put them all into a "stand-by" mode so they could use them on the sabbath..

Israel democracy isn't nearly perfect. It's just the best in the middle-east.

Maybe because most don't want a democracy to begin with.

I'm considering myself pretty knowledgeable about Israel history. Examples if you please?

It was after the Civil War in Lebanon to end Israeli occupation.

Syria uses Hezbollah to directly attack Israel.

Actually Hezbollah there is mainly the political arm of the party.

She controls Lebanon's government because she can use this method to attack Israel.

They are allowed to operate there. Please, no propaganda.

This is something Pakistan and Saudi Arabia isn't known for doing. Not to me nor to the Israeli government.

Yet that is where the 9/11 terrorists came from all the same.

sLm4ever said,
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html


http://www.judeofascism.com/2007/02/what-w...-of-israel.html

I won't talk to much ... you know how to read and you know how to use google ...

History lesson is needed, I see.
- Till 1947 Jews were buying lands from Arabs all over the country.
There were a lot of attacks by Arabs at the time. Jews hardly defended themselves.
- 1947 UN voted to split the country. Israel is announced as shown above.
Surrounding countries attack the new Israel, not accepting the UN decision.
At the end of the war Israel wins more of the land. Offering the land back in exchange for recognition and Peace. Refused.
- The six days war at 1967 - Israel pre-attacks Egypt, all countries around attack Israel.
Israel wins the Galil, Half-Island Sinai and the east-cost.
In exchange for Sinai - peace with Egypt.

Israel kills A LOT of children and innocent people ... but no one talks ...
http://slm.010flm.com/pix/2007q4/Locations...no_fact_box.jpg

and when those innocent people try to defense ... they are called TERRORISTS !!?

Israel does kill innocent people - but only by mistake.
Hezbollah attacks for crowded places.
Hezbollah attacks mostly civilians. So are the Hamas.

Suicide bombers and rocket-launchers aren't defending themselves. They are attacking innocent Israel cities.

Foub said,
But who is listening? Sure, it is just that the Jews are more equal. :rolleyes:

There are indeed problems with discriminations in Israel. But there's a justice system, and a real election.

This still doesn't change the fact that Jews get better treatment than others there so they really can't call themselves a democracy when they have this enforced by law.

This is not enforced by law.

BTW, do they still have that silly law about the sabbath where you can't turn a switch nor turn anything on on the sabbath because it is considered starting a fire and that is work? They had to re-design all of their electronics and electrical devices to put them all into a "stand-by" mode so they could use them on the sabbath..

There isn't such a law.
Public (government) transportation and facilities aren't working on Sabbath, but anybody can do whatever he wants at his home.

Maybe because most don't want a democracy to begin with.

It's only easy to attack a county which tries to be a democracy, and have a lot to improve.
But it's the countries where no free-speech and free-press are allowed, and people just disappearing that you should really critic.

It was after the Civil War in Lebanon to end Israeli occupation.

Please explain relevance.

Actually Hezbollah there is mainly the political arm of the party.

That's just bull*. That's a way of getting money.

They are allowed to operate there. Please, no propaganda.

They assassinated local resistance...twice.

Yet that is where the 9/11 terrorists came from all the same.

Did the countries government support the attacks?

mule said,
History lesson is needed, I see.
- Till 1947 Jews were buying lands from Arabs all over the country.
There were a lot of attacks by Arabs at the time. Jews hardly defended themselves.
- 1947 UN voted to split the country. Israel is announced as shown above.
Surrounding countries attack the new Israel, not accepting the UN decision.
At the end of the war Israel wins more of the land. Offering the land back in exchange for recognition and Peace. Refused.
- The six days war at 1967 - Israel pre-attacks Egypt, all countries around attack Israel.
Israel wins the Galil, Half-Island Sinai and the east-cost.
In exchange for Sinai - peace with Egypt.

well... talking about history (and we are both young btw ... but u r 2 months older :P ...)

wasn't the beginning of all of this mass ... the Balfour Declaration ... and the English colonialism @ Palestine ?!
and things got worse and worse ...

mule said,
Israel does kill innocent people - but only by mistake.
Hezbollah attacks for crowded places.
Hezbollah attacks mostly civilians. So are the Hamas.

Suicide bombers and rocket-launchers aren't defending themselves. They are attacking innocent Israel cities.

yeah right !! ...

can't you see the numbers !? ...
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

just notice the "People killed on own land" and "People killed on others' land" ...

Israel does kill innocent people - but only by mistake.

it's really sad that u do believe this is correct ...


anyway ... don't get me wrong and think that I say that Suicide bombing is ok ...
but think about the disaster that made them do that !! ...

sLm4ever said,
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html


http://www.judeofascism.com/2007/02/what-w...-of-israel.html

I won't talk to much ... you know how to read and you know how to use google ...

Israel kills A LOT of children and innocent people ... but no one talks ...
http://slm.010flm.com/pix/2007q4/Locations...no_fact_box.jpg

and when those innocent people try to defense ... they are called TERRORISTS !!?

Clearly only a blithering fool could believe the above maps.

MAP 1: In1946 there was no Palestinian land whatsoever, nor was there any Israel whatsoever - there was BRITISH land, under the British mandate of Palestine. Amount of Palestinian land: 0%.

MAP 2: Yes, that was a proposed PLAN that was NEVER IMPLEMENTED, the arabs rejected the partition plan, whilst the jews accepted it. The map you have posted shows borders that never existed from a plan that was never implemented.

MAP 3: OK so now Map 3 is an accurate map in terms of borders, EXCEPT, that there is no Palestinian land, Gaza is occupied by Egypt and the West Bank is occupied by Jordan - hence WEST BANK - The West Bank of the river from Jordan's perspective. ALSO: You claim that all the white area is "Jewish Land" -- that isn't "Jewish" land, it's Israeli land, home to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, Bahai and many other ethnic minorities. So let's do a count: Israel have a good proportion of the land, let's say 75%, Egypt has about 5% and Jordan 20%, whilst the Palestinians still have 0%.

MAP 4: So now the whole area is Israeli - remember the "occupation" that the Palestinians complain about - that's because it's "OCCUPIED". Israel "occupies" the Gaza strip and West Bank. Israeli land: 100%, Palestinian land: 0%.

MAP 5 (which you didn't even bother posting): Is the current situation where the Palestinians actually HAVE some land, namely Gaza (post-disengagement in 2005 where Israel withdrew from Gaza, giving it to the Palestinians). Israeli territory: 95%, Palestinian territory: 5%. Therefore, between 1946 and 2007, the Palestinians have actually GAINED land, from having NO land, to having land (albeit 5%).

These maps are complete rubbish, and don't even get me started on terrorism or anything else because as long as you post ridiculous clearly false propaganda like this, you completely undermine any argument you could possibly make.

oh ... k =__= ...

1. ... damn I need to improve my english =__= ...

2. ... so I post false propaganda !!? ... like we don't know how's specialist in this ...


also ... so the land being a british land is something legal ? ... it was an arab land even before being british land...
and then suddenly british simply gave that land that they toke to the jew and suddenly there is "Israel" =__= ... and if we toke your claims =\ ... doesn't that mean that israel toke some land even from the others ... like jordan and egypt =__= !? ... what ever =__= ...


+ u dare to say don't get me started on terrorism !? ...
dude plz ... can't you understand the reasons behind that "terrorism" !? ...
we even got bored from the news telling us about the people getting killed EVERY SINGLE DAY ... and you don't expect any reaction at all !? ...

I hope I had better english skills or I had someone to back me up with this ... I'm just a student with exam after 2 days =__= ...

sLm4ever said,
oh ... k =__= ...

1. ... damn I need to improve my english =__= ...

2. ... so I post false propaganda !!? ... like we don't know how's specialist in this ...


also ... so the land being a british land is something legal ? ... it was an arab land even before being british land...
and then suddenly british simply gave that land that they toke to the jew and suddenly there is "Israel" =__= ... and if we toke your claims = ... doesn't that mean that israel toke some land even from the others ... like jordan and egypt =__= !? ... what ever =__= ...


+ u dare to say don't get me started on terrorism !? ...
dude plz ... can't you understand the reasons behind that "terrorism" !? ...
we even got bored from the news telling us about the people getting killed EVERY SINGLE DAY ... and you don't expect any reaction at all !? ...

I hope I had better english skills or I had someone to back me up with this ... I'm just a student with exam after 2 days =__= ...

In a discussion of this type, what the news says is utterly irrelevant, they over-dramatise, leave out facts, usually heavily biased, politically spinned and etc etc.

If you want to discuss the truth over what the polarised and sensationalists say and would have you believe, then you're going to need to find a factual/reliable source of information, wikipedia (Only partially reliable for reason that are obvious.) for example, although a proper published encyclopedia would be preferred.

If you blindly believe what the news says then you are as #1.10 said, "a blithering fool".

[quote=sLm4ever said,]http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html


http://www.judeofascism.com/2007/02/what-w...-of-israel.html

I won't talk to much ... you know how to read and you know how to use google ...

Israel kills A LOT of children and innocent people ... but no one talks ...
http://slm.010flm.com/pix/2007q4/Locations...no_fact_box.jpg

and when those innocent people try to defense ... they are called TERRORISTS !!?[/quote]

Clearly only a blithering fool could believe the above maps.

MAP 1: In1946 there was no Palestinian land whatsoever, nor was there any Israel whatsoever - there was BRITISH land, under the British mandate of Palestine. Amount of Palestinian land: 0%.

[/quote]

WOW and amazing how people can in a "democracy" can be pushed so hard to the point where they start defending COLONIZATION!!!
yr talking like the British "owned" the land or had the right to be there in the first place.

and of course Israel only kills innocents by "mistake" LOL
thats why they needed Colin Powel to defend and justify their attack on that building with FOURTEEN children under the age 5 in it? or when the y killed Mohamed Dura? these 2 examples happened to be on tape or a western journalist happened to be there recording. what about the times when no one is around? only a fool can believe that tanks can go deep in Palestinians areas while not killing people in its way lol. how innocent? their tanks ONLY crush homes but they dont touch people especially women and children.

mule said,

History lesson is needed, I see.
- Till 1947 Jews were buying lands from Arabs all over the country.
There were a lot of attacks by Arabs at the time. Jews hardly defended themselves.
- 1947 UN voted to split the country. Israel is announced as shown above.
Surrounding countries attack the new Israel, not accepting the UN decision.
At the end of the war Israel wins more of the land. Offering the land back in exchange for recognition and Peace. Refused.
- The six days war at 1967 - Israel pre-attacks Egypt, all countries around attack Israel.
Israel wins the Galil, Half-Island Sinai and the east-cost.
In exchange for Sinai - peace with Egypt.

and what happened to Galil? oh yes I forgot, they owned the land. its their divine right to have it and never give it back. see? I am learning lol

abulfares said,
and what happened to Galil? oh yes I forgot, they owned the land. its their divine right to have it and never give it back. see? I am learning lol

It was offered to Syria back as Israel captured it in '67. In exchange for peace. Of course Syria didn't want to hear about it...

sLm4ever said,
well... talking about history (and we are both young btw ... but u r 2 months older :P ...)

wasn't the beginning of all of this mass ... the Balfour Declaration ... and the English colonialism @ Palestine ?!
and things got worse and worse ...


The Palestine problem only started after the peace agreement with Jordan. In which Israel agreed to take responsibility for them in Gaza.

yeah right !! ...

can't you see the numbers !? ...
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

just notice the "People killed on own land" and "People killed on others' land" ...


The problem is terrorists take shelter with children. They actually need Israel to kill woman and children for sympathy.

it's really sad that u do believe this is correct ...


anyway ... don't get me wrong and think that I say that Suicide bombing is ok ...
but think about the disaster that made them do that !! ...


Nothing in the world will make me put on a bomb and kill innocent people.
Nothing should justify it.

mule said,

It was offered to Syria back as Israel captured it in '67. In exchange for peace. Of course Syria didn't want to hear about it...

I laughed and shock my head lol

The Palestine problem only started after the peace agreement with Jordan. In which Israel agreed to take responsibility for them in Gaza.

really? wow, so foreigners coming in huge numbers and taking over everything does not seem problematic to u? maybe because u never was invaded.

The problem is terrorists take shelter with children. They actually need Israel to kill woman and children for sympathy.


Nothing in the world will make me put on a bomb and kill innocent people.
Nothing should justify it.

I hope u can see how these 2 statements contradict each other.

abulfares said,

really? wow, so foreigners coming in huge numbers and taking over everything does not seem problematic to u? maybe because u never was invaded.


Israel took over the lands only to stop them from killing people.
Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip. That's not in any debate.

I hope u can see how these 2 statements contradict each other.

Try to think of the situation where your son is taking shelter somewhere and people are shooting him.
These people are shooting behind small children, so if you try and save your son, you might hurt them.

Life isn't black and white.
I hope you see what's the problem now.

dude ... Arabs and Palestinians and Muslims over all aren't that kind of cowards ...
that's exactly the false propaganda we were talking about...
they aren't afraid of death ... unlike the the Israelis soldiers who are afraid even from children with stones !!

there are lots of recorded events that show exactly what I'm talking about ... and I'm sure there is even more that were not recorded ...


but like what we hear and see always about the Israelis soldiers when they kill innocent people ... "we thought there were some terrorists there and that was a mistake ..."
it would be believable if it's one or two mistakes ... but not EVERY DAY !!!

but what can we do ... USA is on isreal's side ... and all the media too ...
and when for example AL-Jazeera TV tried to show the truth they get their offices bombed as well ... that's the democracy u talk about !? ...

sLm4ever said,
dude ... Arabs and Palestinians and Muslims over all aren't that kind of cowards ...
that's exactly the false propaganda we were talking about...
they aren't afraid of death ... unlike the the Israelis soldiers who are afraid even from children with stones !!

there are lots of recorded events that show exactly what I'm talking about ... and I'm sure there is even more that were not recorded ...


but like what we hear and see always about the Israelis soldiers when they kill innocent people ... "we thought there were some terrorists there and that was a mistake ..."
it would be believable if it's one or two mistakes ... but not EVERY DAY !!!

but what can we do ... USA is on isreal's side ... and all the media too ...
and when for example AL-Jazeera TV tried to show the truth they get their offices bombed as well ... that's the democracy u talk about !? ...

Israeli soldiers aren't afraid of children with stones. It's more like 16 years "children" with AK-47.
AL-JAzeera's the propaganda. Showing photographs of children in front of tanks (implying that they use Tanks against children).
The IDF is an army, one of the strongest on earth (trained in battles, not in trainings). Palestinians are VERY afraid of it and that's the only way they have to fight it (shooting missiles to the heart of Israeli cities and suicide bombings).

When Israeli soldiers kill innocent people they get jail and expelled.

Watching the world media regularly, I don't think the media is on Israel side at all.
USA is. That's true. But not the media in general.

AL-Jazeera's office was bombed for sheltering terrorists. Try to defend your house when people attack it behind children and media people.

sLm4ever said,
oh ... k =__= ...

1. ... damn I need to improve my english =__= ...

2. ... so I post false propaganda !!? ... like we don't know how's specialist in this ...


also ... so the land being a british land is something legal ? ... it was an arab land even before being british land...
and then suddenly british simply gave that land that they toke to the jew and suddenly there is "Israel" =__= ... and if we toke your claims = ... doesn't that mean that israel toke some land even from the others ... like jordan and egypt =__= !? ... what ever =__= ...


+ u dare to say don't get me started on terrorism !? ...
dude plz ... can't you understand the reasons behind that "terrorism" !? ...
we even got bored from the news telling us about the people getting killed EVERY SINGLE DAY ... and you don't expect any reaction at all !? ...

I hope I had better english skills or I had someone to back me up with this ... I'm just a student with exam after 2 days =__= ...

Sorry, didn't understand a word of that, can't be bothered to get into an argument on the internet because these things are just a waste of time but...

1) Posting inaccurate information has nothing to do with your lack of English, in fact, given that you clearly can't string a sentence together I am amazed that you just went onto your favourite Israel-bashing site, got a map, thought "ooh, that looks evil!" and just posted it to the net without any second thought.

2) Don't even understand that...

"it was an arab land even before being british land" -- I simply don't know where you learn your history, since 1517, the land had been under the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were not Arabs. Before that were the Christian Crusaders, again, not Arabs, before them came the Greeks, the Romans........ so your points are really a load of rubbish and I don't understand what you're saying.

ok let's finish this ... I don't know why am I bothering myself and talk to you two while you are not going to admit that you were wrong or that you misunderstood some facts ...

mule said,
Israeli soldiers aren't afraid of children with stones. It's more like 16 years "children" with AK-47.
AL-JAzeera's the propaganda. Showing photographs of children in front of tanks (implying that they use Tanks against children).
The IDF is an army, one of the strongest on earth (trained in battles, not in trainings). Palestinians are VERY afraid of it and that's the only way they have to fight it (shooting missiles to the heart of Israeli cities and suicide bombings).

When Israeli soldiers kill innocent people they get jail and expelled.

Watching the world media regularly, I don't think the media is on Israel side at all.
USA is. That's true. But not the media in general.

AL-Jazeera's office was bombed for sheltering terrorists. Try to defend your house when people attack it behind children and media people.

of course the IDF is stronger than the Palestinians ... the IDF gets BILLIONS of dollars from the US while Palestinians gets nothing ... and it's not true that Palestinians are afraid ...
think logically you see two persons, one with the most modern weapons and the other with stones ... who's the brave one !? ...

When Israeli soldiers kill innocent people they get jail and expelled.

if that's correct then they should all be in jail now =\ ...


and about the media ... of course .. what do you care about the media other than the US media ... you get billions from them ... the hell with the others =\ ... + other than the billions they come here and fight in iraq and may fight in syria and iran all for the sake of israel ... and I remember one of them saying that in israel some time ago ...

AL-Jazeera's office was bombed for sheltering terrorists.

you come again and say this false excuse ... it wasn't only one time they they got bombed ... and there are many papers that says that the US intended to hit AL-Jazeera ...
and every time they bomb something and the world asks why !? ... "we thought there were terrorists in there..." even children know that this is full of crap and lies ...


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Sorry, didn't understand a word of that, can't be bothered to get into an argument on the internet because these things are just a waste of time but...

1) Posting inaccurate information has nothing to do with your lack of English, in fact, given that you clearly can't string a sentence together I am amazed that you just went onto your favourite Israel-bashing site, got a map, thought "ooh, that looks evil!" and just posted it to the net without any second thought.

2) Don't even understand that...

"it was an arab land even before being british land" -- I simply don't know where you learn your history, since 1517, the land had been under the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were not Arabs. Before that were the Christian Crusaders, again, not Arabs, before them came the Greeks, the Romans........ so your points are really a load of rubbish and I don't understand what you're saying.

I'm talking with YOUR language ... and still you have this bad attitude ... but fine ... we can't do anything about your bad manners ...


1. I'll have to ignore you in this one because that's just nonsense ... throwing Indictments like that =\ ...

and about the english thingy ... I know how to talk but I said I need to improve it so I won't need long time checking spelling and correcting errors when talking to people like you

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dude ... your behavior and manners and way of talking are the worst I've ever seen while debating with someone =\ .... talking like you are some kind of angel that knows everything and any one that doesn't agree is wrong without even thinking !! ...

anyway ... if you know history that much .. then what was the Ottoman Empire ? ... it was an Islamic country and big part of it were arabs ...

Palestine was an arabic Islamic country with different names ... since the roman ended until this day ...

sLm4ever said,
ok let's finish this ... I don't know why am I bothering myself and talk to you two while you are not going to admit that you were wrong or that you misunderstood some facts ...

I am arguing with you because I think I'm right. As an Israeli citizen I doubt you know the facts better than me.

of course the IDF is stronger than the Palestinians ... the IDF gets BILLIONS of dollars from the US while Palestinians gets nothing ... and it's not true that Palestinians are afraid ...
Think logically you see two persons, one with the most modern weapons and the other with stones ... who's the brave one!? ...

Yeah. The fact the Israeli soldiers are trained soldiers with huge expeiricnce has nothing to do with it. The Palestinians get BILLIONS of dollars support (most of the money is disguised as social help and used to buy military equipment) from Arab countries.

if that's correct then they should all be in jail now = ...

That's not even funny. I just finished service in the IDF as a medic (btw, we swear to help EVERY HUMAN IN DANGER, and we do it, as opposed to Terrorists). I know plenty of IDF soldiers. None that killed an innocent man (a few that killed terrorists).

and about the media ... of course .. what do you care about the media other than the US media ... you get billions from them ... the hell with the others = ... + other than the billions they come here and fight in iraq and may fight in syria and iran all for the sake of israel ... and I remember one of them saying that in israel some time ago ...

US Media isn't something Israel really cares about. It is mostly European news Israel watches.

you come again and say this false excuse ... it wasn't only one time they they got bombed ... and there are many papers that says that the US intended to hit AL-Jazeera ...
and every time they bomb something and the world asks why !? ... "we thought there were terrorists in there..." even children know that this is full of crap and lies ...

Every action the IDF makes is known to the Israeli government and there for it can deal with it consequences and make decision accordingly.
Every Palestinian group decides who is innocent and who's not and no one can tell them anything because they aren't a democracy - so apparently they can kill innocent people on purpose.

I am arguing with you because I think I'm right. As an Israeli citizen I doubt you know the facts better than me.

I hope you do ... but I doubt that you always hear the Israeli side of the stories ...

Yeah. The fact the Israeli soldiers are trained soldiers with huge expeiricnce has nothing to do with it. The Palestinians get BILLIONS of dollars support (most of the money is disguised as social help and used to buy military equipment) from Arab countries.

again that's just claims without any proof ... but I tell you ... even if there was something people don't know about ... I'm sure it's just tiny amount of money ...
sure we have people that love to help the other Muslims ... but there are 2 points here:
1. we have stupid gov. even if we wanted to help ... and most of the oil money is wasted in an unimportant stuff ...
2. it's now forbidden to give money to the poor people ... can you imagine !? ... even @ ramadan we can't give food to the poor ... of course that lots of people ignore that law specially when it's about helping the poor people inside saudi arabia ...
bottom line ... no BILLIONS to the Palestinians ...

That's not even funny. I just finished service in the IDF as a medic (btw, we swear to help EVERY HUMAN IN DANGER, and we do it, as opposed to Terrorists). I know plenty of IDF soldiers. None that killed an innocent man (a few that killed terrorists).

I didn't say that was funny <,<; ...
+ it's good to hear that .... but it's bad to see that actually innocent people REALLY get killed ...

btw, we swear to help EVERY HUMAN IN DANGER, and we do it, as opposed to Terrorists

well ... thank you for that ... and I hope it's true ... and believe me I don't support the way that those terrorists act ... nether the Islam does support this ... Islam has always been about being kind ... I've read some story this days about Muslims that helped the Jews from the Nazis ...
http://www2.l.google.com/translate?u=http%...en&ie=UTF-8
maybe poor translating but it'll do ... "Source: Island" lol ... AL-Jazeera in arabic means the Island btw ...


bottom line here again ...
IDF is doing lots of wrong stuff ... and Palestinians reply badly too ... but numbers talk ... the number of killed Palestinians is lots more ...

Every action the IDF makes is known to the Israeli government

that's the problem ... we think that the Israeli gov knows about those massive killing but does nothing ...
damn this whole thing is so massed up and we spent so much time talking about this while we could do better things with our times ...

I know most Muslims are peaceful, we learn their culture (including the Qur'an).
The problem is the peaceful Muslims can't be heard because the extremes are in control.
Doesn't look like Mahmud Abas has the mandate to negotiate with Israel, too.
These are very bad times, probably a lot because of Israeli government mistakes in the past, but mostly because of attacks by Arabs extremes.