T-Mobile: AT&T or Verizon, your iPhone 4 will still be slow

Gadget envy, anyone? US mobile carrier T-Mobile has wasted no time in hitting out at Verizon following that carrier's iPhone 4 announcement on Tuesday.

Following a similar theme to previous ads for the myTouch 4G, a new T-Mobile commercial mimics Apple's infamous 'Mac vs PC' commercials and claims that no matter which official carrier iPhone 4 users choose, they will be stuck with a sub-par 3G network.

Of course, as Engadget has pointed out, the 3G-only situation is hardly the fault of the carriers - Apple is notorious for being a fair way behind the pack when it comes to adopting new network standards. When asked why the Verizon iPhone doesn't support 4G, Apple COO Tim Cook blamed the toll first-generation LTE chipsets take on battery life, along with huge demand for the iPhone on Big Red.

“Two reasons — the first gen LTE chipsets force design changes we wouldn’t make. And Verizon customers told us they want the iPhone now. I can’t tell you the number of times we’ve been asked ‘when will it work on Verizon.','' he said. Both Verizon and AT&T have announced plans to rollout new LTE networks or continue expanding existing ones.

If nothing else, T-Mobile certainly seems to have a good time with its advertising.

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I had all carriers back in the day. I had verizon when they were airtouch and att when it was cingular, didn't really like neither of them.. I have sprint and tmobile now and they have changed alot in the past 2 years. Sprint cs answeres my calls within secounds of calling and i've had good service so far, and tmobile i love.. I didn't like them at first but they've stepped up big time in the past year.. There data seems faster then sprint's so that's all i have to say:)

This really does not matter to me because i live in the nyc area and i have cablevision. this allows me to allways be on wifi which as of right now is 3/1 but can be enabled all the way up to about 38/15 (higher then that if the ap's use docsis 3).

I've like others here and used all carriers at one point or another. When I was using Verizon in Los Angeles I always had dropped calls, when I was using Sprint I never had dropped calls but data was slow as the people that worked at the sprint call center . I only switched to T-Mobile because of the HTC HD7, my data speeds are pretty slow but I'm always next to someplace that has wifi so that doesn't really bother me that much.

The only two companies I would ever recommend to anyone are T-Mobile and Verizon because at least there call center reps speak English, and provide useful assistance, whenever I called sprint customer service or at&t customer service I always had to describe to them what a cell phone was .

eviltwigflipper said,
I've like others here and used all carriers at one point or another. When I was using Verizon in Los Angeles I always had dropped calls, when I was using Sprint I never had dropped calls but data was slow as the people that worked at the sprint call center . I only switched to T-Mobile because of the HTC HD7, my data speeds are pretty slow but I'm always next to someplace that has wifi so that doesn't really bother me that much.

The only two companies I would ever recommend to anyone are T-Mobile and Verizon because at least there call center reps speak English, and provide useful assistance, whenever I called sprint customer service or at&t customer service I always had to describe to them what a cell phone was .


The only time I had to experience outsourced customer service reps was when I was with Sprint. Albeit, that was some time ago. I heard they were bringing CS back in house so...I don't know if its still outsourced or not.

LOL is all I can say.

I'm glad that here in Australia, we have a number of carriers that supply the iPhone. And they're all pretty much the same value in plans, give or take a couple of dollars.

Something is burning!..I smell fear!

I have T-Mobile and their services sucks! I'd rather have something slow than NOTHING @T-Mobile!. But, I have to give them credit for their Plan though! It's pretty sweet.

AT&T and Verizon's network actually is kinda slow. Sprint and T-Mobile's network is actually substantially faster, I've done tests with my friends AT&T iPhone in a good area for both networks. I know 4G is obviously faster but it's the new thing out, Where I live in the boston area I'm always in 4G. I'm still gonna say Sprint and T-Mobile are way ahead of the game then other carriers at the moment.. But in the end it all comes down to where you live.

johnnyftw said,
AT&T and Verizon's network actually is kinda slow. Sprint and T-Mobile's network is actually substantially faster, I've done tests with my friends AT&T iPhone in a good area for both networks. I know 4G is obviously faster but it's the new thing out, Where I live in the boston area I'm always in 4G. I'm still gonna say Sprint and T-Mobile are way ahead of the game then other carriers at the moment.. But in the end it all comes down to where you live.

T-Mobile does not offer 4G. UMTS/HSPA+ is strictly a 3G technology. Is there no agency in the United States that prevents false advertising on such a blatant level?

LTE-Advanced is classified as 4G ... anything else is just marketing mumbo jumbo (i.e. blatant lies and false advertising)

T-Mobile does not offer 4G. UMTS/HSPA+ is strictly a 3G technology. Is there no agency in the United States that prevents false advertising on such a blatant level?

Nope lol, all the carriers advertise they have 4G now so lol. But neither of them do:

Verizon - LTE
AT&T - HSPA+ / future LTE
Sprint - WiMAX
T-Mobile - HSPA+

I used to have T-mobile when I owned a blackberry. I originally moved to T-Mobile because of the cheaper service even though I knew the coverage to be inferior to Verizon. After I left T-Mobile I decided to never go back as their prices had risen to the same as all the other carriers but still offered inferior phones and service. To make a long story shorter, I don't care what they have to say.

As hot as that T-Mobile girl is, these ads have elitism written all over them, and I don't think TMO has the credentials to boast. These commercials remind of the Apple ads that attacked Windows Vista. At least Apple had more bragging rights before Windows 7 was unvailed. Why can't carriers sell their products as quality devices without attack others? Serious small penis syndrome.

Jmaxku said,
Serious small penis syndrome.

So, by analogy, you're saying then that Steve Jobs has the smallest of the small then, since he's been doing ads like this since the 1984 ad...

I love T Mobile, however there coverage issues in the area I live.
It's seems fast enough for me... provided I actually have 3g connection.

When I see "Nationwide", I think of the building society, so I was a bit confused by the video's title for a moment.

Soulsiphon said,

Same. Oh and LOVE my "4G" G2


I have a 3G phone and it's faster than I got on AT&T. It's not even the "4G".

Agreed 100%. Except the very occasional no coverage area, T-Mobile has been the best carrier I have ever used...by far. And I've been forced to use them all at one time or another.

excalpius said,
Agreed 100%. Except the very occasional no coverage area, T-Mobile has been the best carrier I have ever used...by far. And I've been forced to use them all at one time or another.

Same here. Well I haven't used Sprint, but out of Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile...for me T-Mobile has, by far, been the best.

Nationwide coverage, for me, doesn't really mean much since it's not like I'm traveling all over the country on business. But for those that do, Verizon is probably the best (coverage wise).

Are advertisements dissing a rival company in a straight-forward manner like this allowed to be aired on TV? That is so cool.

Navan said,
Are advertisements dissing a rival company in a straight-forward manner like this allowed to be aired on TV? That is so cool.

As long as they are just blatantly lying about the company I believe it is.

Well they can complain and make commercials all the way but they don't have the iPhone on their carrier and I don't think the mytouch can go against the iPhone.

thnok said,
Well they can complain and make commercials all the way but they don't have the iPhone on their carrier and I don't think the mytouch can go against the iPhone.

I'd put my MyTouch4G up against an iPhone any day.

RangerLG said,
I'd put my MyTouch4G up against an iPhone any day.

It is an Android 2.1 device with a 600Mhz process - I don't know how explicit one must get when it comes to 'epic fail'. iPhone and MyTouch4G don't even compete in the same market - the only thing you could compare it to would be maybe the Vodafone 845 which is pretty horrible.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

It is an Android 2.1 device with a 600Mhz process - I don't know how explicit one must get when it comes to 'epic fail'. iPhone and MyTouch4G don't even compete in the same market - the only thing you could compare it to would be maybe the Vodafone 845 which is pretty horrible.


Oh how wrong you are

It uses a Qualcomm MSM8255 processor (second generation Snapdragon) at 1ghz and has 768mb RAM. It runs Froyo, which is Android 2.2. And it supports 14.4mbps speeds.

The iPhone 4 uses the Apple A4 chip underclocked to 800mhz and 512mb RAM and only supports 7.2mbps.

So, epic fail much?

Nation wide 4G coverage? Looking at their coverage map (http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx), there sure are a lot of gaps in their standard coverage, much less their 4G coverage. Heck, you have to zoom in pretty far to even see their 4G (which I am assuming is what their "Very Fast Mobile Web" labeling is referring too) because of their clearly defined coloring they use

Digitalx said,
lolz tmobile step up to 3.5G HSPA+ because we can't market for balls as much as we can't upgrade our network.

T-Mobile's network is currently at HSPA+ 21mbps and they plan to upgrade that to 55mbps (with future expansion upto 600mbps) and it's available in 212 cities atm (I think, could be wrong).

In comparison, Verizon's LTE offers 8-12mbps and is available in 80 cities (according to Verizon anyways).

It's also far easier for T-Mobile to update their HSPA+ network since the towers already exist. Verizon, on the other hand, has to put up new towers for LTE since its a completely different technology to their absolutely ancient EV-DO Rev A which is currently at 3.2mbps.

/- Razorfold said,

T-Mobile's network is currently at HSPA+ 21mbps and they plan to upgrade that to 55mbps (with future expansion upto 600mbps) and it's available in 212 cities atm (I think, could be wrong).

In comparison, Verizon's LTE offers 8-12mbps and is available in 80 cities (according to Verizon anyways).

It's also far easier for T-Mobile to update their HSPA+ network since the towers already exist. Verizon, on the other hand, has to put up new towers for LTE since its a completely different technology to their absolutely ancient EV-DO Rev A which is currently at 3.2mbps.

Yeah but just like ADSL2+, VDSL etc it's still not fiberoptic. Also need to consider that with every speed increase on the traditional technology it actually gets slower because of not being designed for high amounts of use at high speeds. I do agree that CDMA EVDO can drop off the earth.

Because all T-mobile smart phones are 4G right??? Oh, wait. Tmobile doesnt even have 4G most areas where I live, and they have a big call center (or something) here.

Sidetracking for a moment....if what Apple says is true about the LTE chipsets and battery life, I wonder how bad/good the battery life will be on their new LTE phones coming out in a few months.

Wow.... catchy ad there...

This is bending the truth BIIIG time though...
But I guess most Americans are used to that by mobile carriers and take it with a grain of salt.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,
Wow.... catchy ad there...

This is bending the truth BIIIG time though...
But I guess most Americans are used to that by mobile carriers and take it with a grain of salt.

GS:mac

T-Mobile are right about Apple being behind the ball, it took them until the iPhone 3GS to support the 7.2mbps HSDPA standard, and from what I can see Apple are lying about the battery as well, the reviews I have seen suggest that that 4G does not produce significantly more power consumption than 3G chipsets.

Subject Delta said,

T-Mobile are right about Apple being behind the ball, it took them until the iPhone 3GS to support the 7.2mbps HSDPA standard, and from what I can see Apple are lying about the battery as well, the reviews I have seen suggest that that 4G does not produce significantly more power consumption than 3G chipsets.

Well as far as I know there are only some Android phones supporting this so called "G4" standard; neither Apple nor MS WP7 support it yet.

Fritzly said,

Well as far as I know there are only some Android phones supporting this so called "G4" standard; neither Apple nor MS WP7 support it yet.

Yep, you are correct. I saw a review of it on the Evo 4G and it does look as if it provides a reasonable speed boost for those on the networks that provide it. I can in some sense understand companies not supporting it whilst those networks are still in their infancy, but Apple had no real excuse not to support the 7.2mbps HSDPA standard, as that was already in common use.

Subject Delta said,

Yep, you are correct. I saw a review of it on the Evo 4G and it does look as if it provides a reasonable speed boost for those on the networks that provide it. I can in some sense understand companies not supporting it whilst those networks are still in their infancy, but Apple had no real excuse not to support the 7.2mbps HSDPA standard, as that was already in common use.

The iPhone 4 already supports HSDPA at 7.2 Mbps. It doesn't support HSPA+ at 21.6 Mbps. Here's a speedtest result in Vancouver, BC, Canada on the iPhone 4 with Telus Mobility.

http://www.speedtest.net/iphone/83852666.png

Mind you, this is on Telus/Bell's nationwide UMTS/HSPA+ network that they launched just before the Vancouver Olympics Canada-wide ... so on a phone that did support HSPA+, you'd theoretically get closer to 21.6 Mbps. Telus and Bell do not call this a 4G network as T-Mobil does ... They are deploying their LTE networks which is what they refer to as 4G. The HSPA+ network is just referred to as 3G+ ... It's somewhat comical what passes as "4G" in the States.

Edited by sabrex, Jan 13 2011, 4:59pm :

sabrex said,

The iPhone 4 already supports HSDPA at 7.2 Mbps. It doesn't support HSPA+ at 21.6 Mbps. Here's a speedtest result in Vancouver, BC, Canada on the iPhone 4 with Telus Mobility.

http://www.speedtest.net/iphone/83852666.png

Mind you, this is on Telus/Bell's nationwide UMTS/HSPA+ network that they launched just before the Vancouver Olympics Canada-wide ... so on a phone that did support HSPA+, you'd theoretically get closer to 21.6 Mbps. Telus and Bell do not call this a 4G network as T-Mobil does ... They are deploying their LTE networks which is what they refer to as 4G. The HSPA+ network is just referred to as 3G+ ... It's somewhat comical what passes as "4G" in the States.

I know the iPhone 4 supports the new HSDPA my point was that it took them an inordinate amount of time to do so with their handsets.

Subject Delta said,

Yep, you are correct. I saw a review of it on the Evo 4G and it does look as if it provides a reasonable speed boost for those on the networks that provide it. I can in some sense understand companies not supporting it whilst those networks are still in their infancy, but Apple had no real excuse not to support the 7.2mbps HSDPA standard, as that was already in common use.


On my aunt's EVO we went from ~1Mb down on 3G and then ~6-7Mb down on 4G.

Subject Delta said,

I know the iPhone 4 supports the new HSDPA my point was that it took them an inordinate amount of time to do so with their handsets.

The bottom line is that no US Carriers have a network that is a "Real" 4G based on the official specs. I do not understand how all these companies are allowed to advertise something that is simply put "untrue".

Subject Delta said,

I know the iPhone 4 supports the new HSDPA my point was that it took them an inordinate amount of time to do so with their handsets.

Ah I see. Well, from my point of view the iPhone 4 should have supported HSPA+ as well since all of Canada has access to HSPA+ ... but the problem is at the time the iPhone 4 was released, AT&T had HSPA+ in only a handful of markets, so no real point from Apple's perspective to release a phone that supports a feature that their primary carrier doesn't fully support.

The iPhone 5 (mid-2011) will have HSPA+ support. The iPhone 6 (mid-2012) will hopefully have LTE support, but that too could show up in the iPhone 7 in mid-2013 ... since both AT&T and Verizon have touted the end of 2013 as the point where they will have completed their respective LTE deployments.

Apple waits for the networks to be available nation-wide in the States before implementing support for said network in the iPhone. It's what they've always done, to the dismay of us Canadians.

More speed is always better, especially as mobile video calling (ie facetime but on 3g) becomes more ubiquitous. But right now I think people in the states value coverage and reliability over speed. The iPhone 3GS and 4 deliver on speed when it comes to browsing the web and other basic Internet functionality.

Shadrack said,
More speed is always better, especially as mobile video calling (ie facetime but on 3g) becomes more ubiquitous. But right now I think people in the states value coverage and reliability over speed. The iPhone 3GS and 4 deliver on speed when it comes to browsing the web and other basic Internet functionality.

But isn't that the same everywhere? I know I'd value the fact that I can receive a phone call with a good signal strength than being told that in a few cities I can get rocket face download speeds.

sabrex said,

Ah I see. Well, from my point of view the iPhone 4 should have supported HSPA+ as well since all of Canada has access to HSPA+ ... but the problem is at the time the iPhone 4 was released, AT&T had HSPA+ in only a handful of markets, so no real point from Apple's perspective to release a phone that supports a feature that their primary carrier doesn't fully support.

The iPhone 5 (mid-2011) will have HSPA+ support. The iPhone 6 (mid-2012) will hopefully have LTE support, but that too could show up in the iPhone 7 in mid-2013 ... since both AT&T and Verizon have touted the end of 2013 as the point where they will have completed their respective LTE deployments.

Apple waits for the networks to be available nation-wide in the States before implementing support for said network in the iPhone. It's what they've always done, to the dismay of us Canadians.

Finally, someone that understands!

Oh bite me T-Mobile. I use your service, yes because I have been with you a long time and get a good plan. However, your data coverage needs work...looooots of work.

techbeck said,
Oh bite me T-Mobile. I use your service, yes because I have been with you a long time and get a good plan. However, your data coverage needs work...looooots of work.

Which is a shame because T-Mobile really does bring good plans with good features. I.E., WiFi calling.

Shadrack said,

Which is a shame because T-Mobile really does bring good plans with good features. I.E., WiFi calling.

Yes, they do...but now is not the time for them to talk big. They are butting heads with AT&T and Verizon. I dont think TMO can compete at this time with either of them. They may have faster speeds, but the lack of coverage makes that pretty much useless...IMO

techbeck said,
Oh bite me T-Mobile. I use your service, yes because I have been with you a long time and get a good plan. However, your data coverage needs work...looooots of work.

true but the girl in the ad id really cute so its a really really tough call