Teen scammed out of £450 for photo of XBox One on eBay receives refund

There's no shortage of people willing to empty your pockets through scams on the Internet, and some people on eBay are well known for listing what you think you're actually paying for, not what you're getting, with sneaky wording of the auction.

This brings us to the 19-year old Peter Clatworthy, father of a four-year old from Nottingham, England who bid on a Xbox One Day One edition on eBay, in which the seller reportedly clearly stated that the item was a photo of the console, not the console itself which he won and paid for.

The student had saved up in order to buy a limited edition Day One version of the console as a surprise Christmas present for his four-year-old son, McKenzie; However, the seller broke the rules on eBay by listing the item in the wrong section, it seems you really can't sell a sheet of paper in the electronics related section of the site, and as a result eBay had given the seller until Monday to refund the money back through PayPal, the money has since been refunded.

eBay has now banned the seller from using the site, stating the following; “The seller has been banned from eBay. We have also contacted the customer directly to arrange the refund as promised.”

Clatworthy previously made headlines in 2007 when, at age 12, he used his judo skills to catch a drunk-driver who had crashed into three cars on Ilkeston Road, Radford; this is clearly a person you don't want to mess with.

Source & Image: Nottingham Post

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every 1 want to earn, i wll not say who was right or wrong however he was lucky enough we can minimize the risk of online fraud if we fallow few steps do read it .

Edited by Eric, Dec 10 2013, 1:02pm :

argh why he even bid for such a low ink printing in the first place, such a bad quality! I do have a 2,4K DPI print of a Xbox Day One here in my hands, will sell it for 300€, very cheap!

I don't know why people chose to focus on the demographic's of the person who was defrauded. Is that really whats important here?

There was an old Judge Judy episode where a lady was selling 2 cell phones on Ebay for like $400..but in the description..it said it was a "picture of cell phones". Which the person buying the phones didn't see that part.

What tripped the lady up was also in the description...she said the items weighed almost 5 ounces. And Judge Judy told the lady selling the phones that the paper pictures of the cell phones do not weigh 5 ounces. So she had to refund the money back to the person purchasing the phones.

Sounds like this guy saw that episode.

I think that most people are being hard on the guy because of his absurd statement that this "gift" was somehow for his 4 year old instead of himself. His lame attempt to get extra sympathy online has kinda backfired as it should have.

Glad he got his money back, but the insults are well deserved .

Nice to see some of you using your brains /s

Maybe this guy married someone who has kids already, that does happen you know.

Even if you have the mindset of "the auction clearly stated it was a photo": He should still get a refund. I mean, look at that picture. The quality is horrible

I don't get it. The seller clearly said that he is selling a Xbox One Photo and not the console itself. Hey should he be getting ban on someone else stupidity? It would only be misleading if the seller was hiding the fact that it was a photo only. If the seller was not hiding the truth about the item then the seller deserve to loss $450 EURO for it.

If I were to judge a book by it's cover I'd have to say this guy has the full six pack but lacks the plastic thingy to hold them all together or as Forest Gumps mother once wisely said Stupid is as stupid does

I'm still at a loss on why the guy didn't just shoot the seller a message questioning it if he was sure that the "photo" part of said listing was not accurate and that the listing was genuine. I mean seriously now, that much money on the line and not even a single message to the seller?

I guess he has. It mentions eBay banned the seller and is offering a refund.

This is hardly news though, I've seen lots of people selling boxes for iPhone X's for a long time. eBay though should IMO be clamping down on this scam.

I'd be ****ed off too, the quality of that photo is terrible! For £450 I'd want a life-size high quality print, framed and signed by Major Nelson.

Mateus said,
I'd be ****ed off too, the quality of that photo is terrible! For £450 I'd want a life-size high quality print, framed and signed by Major Nelson.

would that even be worth £450?

Shiranui said,
His printer also seems to have run out of black ink.

Perhaps he accidentally bought an advertisement for the ink too!

I'm always amazed how people will pick out irrelevant points in a story and argue endlessly about them. The story is about scams on ebay and not a person that was scammed. It's like people can't get beyond the gossiping mindset.

I'm surprised a lot of you think a 4 year old wouldn't be able to play an XBOX. My nephew has been playing xbox and playstation for years, absolutely adores NFS:The run and is very good at it.. He's got a 360 for xmas with the run, forza horizon, cod ghosts and grand theft auto v haha. he's 6 now though.

Even if the console would be for the kid then exists something called "common sense" followed by his cousin called "priorities".

Athlonite said,
6yr old should not be playing GTA anything or COD he's well below the age limit for those games his parents are stupid

Says someone who doesn't know what a . is. Punctuation is your friend.

I grew up playing Drug Wars and GTA. They are games, and as long as the parents put the games in the correct context (Drugs are bad, Mmmmkay?) it shouldn't be an issue.

wernercd said,

Says someone who doesn't know what a . is. Punctuation is your friend.

I grew up playing Drug Wars and GTA. They are games, and as long as the parents put the games in the correct context (Drugs are bad, Mmmmkay?) it shouldn't be an issue.

Dope Wars was the ****!

wernercd said,

Says someone who doesn't know what a . is. Punctuation is your friend.

I grew up playing Drug Wars and GTA. They are games, and as long as the parents put the games in the correct context (Drugs are bad, Mmmmkay?) it shouldn't be an issue.

Yer cos BBFC age ratings on games mean nothing......they are put on for a reason, lets apply your logic to films then, a pre 10 yr old should be allowed to watch porn, 18 certificate horrors or zombie flicks?

After all its not "real" its a movie........what harm can it do?

Get a grip, also a bit infantile to have a go at someone's punctuation is it not?

What a bunch of judgemental tw*** you lot are.

All commenting about stuff you do not know and making out you're all staunch advocates of family values. This story is about a man who didn't read an eBay listing properly and is now getting (quite rightly too) a refund

because his own ignorance and inability to PAY attention to written words deserve a refund...heck if that's the case I want a refund for buying Carmageddon, they claimed THAT was a game!

Mando said,
because his own ignorance and inability to PAY attention to written words deserve a refund...heck if that's the case I want a refund for buying Carmageddon, they claimed THAT was a game!

Whether you agree he deserves a refund or not, his family situation has little to do with the story.

The ebay listing was in the Gaming and Consoles section - therefore it was misleading (hence the refund).

it does my head in when people list in the wrong sections. How many times have you searched ipad in the tablet section to find 50 pages of screen protectors! grrrrrr

also, £450 for a photo? sorry I don't think so. The seller is an idiot, not this guy (well, yeah ok he's an idiot but not because of this)

glen8 said,
The ebay listing was in the Gaming and Consoles section - therefore it was misleading (hence the refund).

it does my head in when people list in the wrong sections. How many times have you searched ipad in the tablet section to find 50 pages of screen protectors! grrrrrr

also, £450 for a photo? sorry I don't think so. The seller is an idiot, not this guy (well, yeah ok he's an idiot but not because of this)

The description in the listing was for the actual console too, not a picture.

My friend's 4 year old plays on his XBox 360 without any problem but the child doesn't really understand what they're doing other than following visual prompts to get a game to load and then bash the buttons to make lots of onscreen action.

Geezy said,
Seriously.… can a 4 year old even operate it or be detected by kinect?

My four year old son builds complex worlds in Minecraft on Xbox 360. My daughter who is only 2 1/2 years old knows how to properly use a Windows 8 tablet, Kindle Fire and iPad. She knows that each UI is different and operates differently. Kids are a lot smarter than you think. They also play outside, my boys are in soccer, baseball and gymnastics. My oldest son who is 7 (reads at the sixth grade level). My kids enjoy their gadgets but are also down to earth and love being kids too. I'm waiting until the beginning of next year until Microsoft updates the kinks in Xbox one before I upgrade the household. I usually donate our old electronics to less fortunate families that aren't as blessed (usually friends and family or friends of friends). So who are we to say what his intentions are, the truth remains that people on the internet are always trying to make a quick buck. Either morally or immorally.

19 year old with a son of 4 years = he is an idiot.

Also, i don't think that he should have time to spend in a console (and no, the console wasn't for his son), you knows, a console is just an expensive toy.

My mum fell pregnant at 15 with my older sister and both of them turned out great. some guy knocked her up and took off. This guy deserves some credit for sticking around. Sometimes **** happens. It's not really the issue here.

He's clearly buying the XBOX for himself and using the child for sympathy.

Read about this guy last night. The guy deserves nothing but the abuse and laughs he's getting, but then I just read the last line. If this true then I tip my hat to him.

"The guy deserves nothing but the abuse and laughs he's getting" because he has a son or because he got scammed?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant abuse for saying he was purchasing this for his 4 year old boy.

As a father of a 3 1/2 year old I wouldn't even consider buying him an Xbox.

problem with this article and everyone defending him is it was NOT a scam. The item for sale was CLEARLY identified as "a photo of....". What he received is exactly what he had purchased so he was not scammed. The only thing he got, if anything, was a realization of his own level of stupidity.

He probably used this months rent and food money so the kid can have a new Xbox.
He probably doesn't have his priorities straight Either.

Well, that's why such cases are examined on a case by case basis. If it said up front in big red letters 'This is only a photo' it's one thing. If it just had 'photo' in the title that's not good enough. I haven't seen the post so I can't comment but eBay apparently considered the ad fraudulent.

I believe their answer for returning the money was because the ad was placed in the electronics section. The guy argued his case that the section would imply that what is being bid on is therefore electronic.

Rohdekill said,
problem with this article and everyone defending him is it was NOT a scam. The item for sale was CLEARLY identified as "a photo of....". What he received is exactly what he had purchased so he was not scammed. The only thing he got, if anything, was a realization of his own level of stupidity.

Oh cmon, $735 for a photo of an Xbox One and you think he wasn't scammed?
The guy who printed that off couldn't even afford another ink cartridge to print the picture out properly.

I'm sorry but in many ways this guy is not the brightest light around. And no amount of Judo skills is going to change that. I would also agree that buying a £450 game console 'to surprise his 4 year old son' must be the lamest excuse and a tell tale sign of clueless parenting.

ZipZapRap said,
do you live in his household and know his circumstances?

I'm not sure which user you are asking?

Ian William said,
I'm still a bit distressed that he had a son when he was only 15.
And I'm a bit impressed that he's kept his son since then. (Yay for rhymery!)

Its in the news today that a 13 year old Belgium girl will give Birth‎ to a son in 2 months noting surprise's me these days

In the UK it is legal to have sex at the age of 16, and there is no shortage of youth getting pregnant. Hell even channel 4 did a documentary/reality TV series called "16 and pregnant".

I'm not going to comment on the moral implication here though. I'm sure that there are plenty of young people that have been good parents. But personally i think that its a bit too young. To each his own I guess.

Ian William said,
I'm still a bit distressed that he had a son when he was only 15.

Why? That's his business. Tell me you haven't done something stupid as a teenager, and I'd be willing to call you a bold faced liar. Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents or someone to guide them along the way.

Ian William said,
I'm still a bit distressed that he had a son when he was only 15.

Really, maybe he got married to someone who already has kids. Nice to see people use their brains on this site!!

neo158 said,

Really, maybe he got married to someone who already has kids. Nice to see people use their brains on this site!!

At 19 years of age?

Pluto is a Planet said,
Well if you're in love... Then yeah it's definitely possible.

The kid's not even old enough to legally buy alcohol (at least in the US).

Ian William said,
I'm still a bit distressed that he had a son when he was only 15.

I think you need to leave your house more often because you clearly haven't seen too much of the world. This happens way more than you would probably think.

Ian William said,

The kid's not even old enough to legally buy alcohol (at least in the US).

Welcome to the UK! Where you can get a pint at the pub at 18, and have alcohol with food with parental consent at 16. Drink up lad!

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

I think you need to leave your house more often because you clearly haven't seen too much of the world. This happens way more than you would probably think.

I think you are missing my point.

Saex_Conroy said,
its not uk, maybe you should look at yourself being 37 and not being married at all

You make that sound like a bad thing.

ZipZapRap said,
do you live in his household and know his circumstances?

Why does his "circumstances" matter? In no first world country is 19 and having a 4 year old acceptable. That means he had the kid at 15! At 15 you're still a child, so as a child you shouldn't be having a child!

mnl1121 said,

Why does his "circumstances" matter? In no first world country is 19 and having a 4 year old acceptable. That means he had the kid at 15! At 15 you're still a child, so as a child you shouldn't be having a child!

Nice of you all to jump to conclusions. Maybe he's married to someone who already has kids, that sort of thing happens you know!!

neo158 said,

Nice of you all to jump to conclusions. Maybe he's married to someone who already has kids, that sort of thing happens you know!!

At 19!!?? He's still a kid! He's only viewed as an adult in the eyes of the law, but at 19 you're still not mature enough to be an adult.

Saex_Conroy said,
its not uk, maybe you should look at yourself being 37 and not being married at all
WTH? I'm not even 37 years old. SMH! Secondly, I've been with my partner for 9 years, we argue like a married couple, have two homes together like a married couple, have a daughter together like a married couple, do I need to go on?

Saex_Conroy said,
its not uk, maybe you should look at yourself being 37 and not being married at all

or you know, he enjoys not being tied down by a wifey and kids

Saex_Conroy said,
its not uk, maybe you should look at yourself being 37 and not being married at all

Errr when did England suddenly become NOT a part of the UK?
When I was at school the UNITED KINGDOM (UK) comprised of Scotland, England Wales & Northern Ireland........funnily enough at this point in time it still is!

This brings us to the 19-year old Peter Clatworthy, father of a four-year old from Nottingham, England

TBH when the article stated it was a PHOTO of a day one Xbox, why the F should he get a refund, not only incapable of reading, but obviously incapable of using contraception. 15 is under age (and illegal) to father a child in the UK, he was under the age of consent. period!

you know its our own personal choice to a) get married and b) have children, Im 41 and Im neither, doesn't mean anything except Im happy to enjoy my job, my wages and my stress free lifestyle with my 27 year old partner of 5years, paying off a large mortgage easily and having a blast in life at the same time, buying whatever whenever, without the financial burden or responsibility of fatherhood. I mean wtf!!! all my 4 yr olds nieces and nephews think they are spiderman and spacemen, why the F wold they want/need an xbox, they've barely stopped defacating their own underwear at 4!

Lets be honest here, hes said "it was for my 4 year old" for sympathy vote, nothing more. what next, waaah I bought GTA V on ebay for my 4yr old and I was sold GTA IV, I didn't see the I!!

he could have also washed his hands before getting the piccy taken, check the remnants of his fingernails, how the F do you get grimy bitten nails.......a classy chav no more no less.

don't be a douche mate

Edited by Mando, Dec 6 2013, 9:06pm :

how does being married have anything to do with happyness? I am not married and I am almost 30, I couldn't even get married in the state I live in because it is against the law, but even if it wasn't marriage doesn't mean anything, it is just a word. If you are with someone and truly love them that is all you need, not some certificate to validate it. Besides common-law covers most of the rest of the benefits that a married could would get.

yeah, beeing 41 with a 27 year old partner is better... The article doesn't say the kid is genetically his. Second, mistake happen, you never experiment before you where 18? Wait, for you age, you probably wasn't even allowed to see a girl before 21.

Seriously, a scam is a scam. It was ruled more then once that selling a picture on ebay was illegal. clearly stated or not, it is intended for scam, in the intention of screwing someone, thus illegal. You don't know how he was when he bet, maybe he was very happy about seeing one after 3 hours of search, being exhausted and didn't realize. From your point of view, nobody should be refund when someone steal there money illegally (like if there was a legal way to do it) just because they aren't bright enough to see it? I hope you get scammed real good, like by an insurance broker or something like that. We'll see how you react after that. Scam come in all sort of level and it's not because it's clear for you that it is for other.

He shouldn't have got a refund. If he's not educated enough to spot a scam then he deserves to have lost his money.

Pathetic comment. Because someone isn't blessed with a certain level of intelligence, they deserve to lose an amount of money to someone who may have a higher IQ but who is morally bankrupt? People get conned all the time. People of ALL intelligence levels. It isn't right, not ever.

Taking advantage of the less fortunate is abhorrent.

HardyRexion said,
Pathetic comment. Because someone isn't blessed with a certain level of intelligence, they deserve to lose an amount of money to someone who may have a higher IQ but who is morally bankrupt? People get conned all the time. People of ALL intelligence levels. It isn't right, not ever.

Taking advantage of the less fortunate is abhorrent.

Well said.

Maybe not right but its classic darwinism. The people with superior traits will reign supreme.

In this guy's case, I have no sympathy. He is an idiot and E-Bay's "Buyers before Sellers" protects as always. Next time, practice reading comprehension.

If the description clearly stated it was a PHOTO, would any of you stop to consider that the seller might have made a mistake and placed it in the wrong section (electronics), or simply pay up without even a follow-up enquiry and hope to get an actual console? I honestly can't say I have any great sympathy for this guy.

Especially because he's 19.

Should get his money back regardless because the buyer did post it in the wrong section, but wow, don't really feel "sorry" for the guy.

just be careful when dealing with things online.

What kind of vegetable buys a four-year-old an xbox one anyway?
My son will turn 7 next February, and only now have I bought a WiiU for us to play Mario together.

Shiranui said,
What kind of vegetable buys a four-year-old an xbox one anyway?
My son will turn 7 next February, and only now have I bought a WiiU for us to play Mario together.
Firstly, why is the man a vegetable? Do you live in his household and know his circumstances? Secondly, this is an old trick that has been passed on for many generations by men. He may have told his wife that it's for his son, but guess who'll be playing it most of the time? My father bought my mom a new Mercedes, however, why do I always see him driving it?

JHBrown said,
Firstly, why is the man a vegetable? Do you live in his household and know his circumstances? Secondly, this is an old trick that has been passed on for many generations by men. He may have told his wife that it's for his son, but guess who'll be playing it most of the time? My father bought my mom a new Mercedes, however, why do I always see him driving it?

this trick is used a lot by myself, its a good trick

It isn't that complicate. 19 year old is buying it for his "son." Come on, who hasn't done something like that before? I am sure the son will get some limited use out of it, they will have fun playing it together, then after bedtime the real gaming starts :-)

You can buy your child whichever console you like. It's more about being a responsible adult and watching what sort of things they are doing, as opposed to some people who want a totally kid friendly device so they can park their child in front of the TV and forget about them.

My daughter had her first cell phone when she was 4. She is now 10 and has an iPhone 5s. She also has two computers, and a Wii.

Am I a vegetable?

I know she isn't. She is heavily into martial arts, and spends more time outside than in. I don't see the problem here, other than the guy was stupid and was probably buying it for himself anyway. It sounds better to the press to say it was for his kid.

adrynalyne said,
My daughter had her first cell phone when she was 4. She is now 10 and has an iPhone 5s. She also has two computers, and a Wii.

Am I a vegetable?

Well, you did get her a iPhone...

(I kid, I kid)

adrynalyne said,
My daughter had her first cell phone when she was 4. She is now 10 and has an iPhone 5s. She also has two computers, and a Wii.

Just curious, _why_ did you feel she needed a cell phone at that young age? Did she pester you for one because all her friends had it too? (Also why she needs two computers at age 10?)

Nope. We wanted a way to track her and communicate with her without the need for her relying on her friend's parents when she wasn't with us. It was our idea. She got our feature phone hand-me-downs. She took such good care of them that she got a hand-me-down iPhone4 when she was 9. The 5s is the first phone purchased solely for her.

As for the computers, only one was paid for, and it is low end (paid 200 for it and used my old monitor). The second one is a laptop that I received for free because HP couldn't fix my old one.

So a safety-related decision. Well, I'm not sure I'd trust most 4 year olds to keep track of and carry their cell phones along with them always, but perhaps your daughter did so. Just makes me wonder what the world has come to. When we were kids our parents often couldn't care less where we were mucking about all day (during vacations of course) as long as we got home all right in time for meals, and we grew up just fine. Shame it's come to a point where parents are seriously contemplating RFID tags for their kids.

These days, its not safe to walk down the street alone half the time. Unfortunately, it requires for us to keep better track of our children. Mind you, now that she is 10, we don't have GPS tracking on her anymore

adrynalyne said,
These days, its not safe to walk down the street alone half the time.

Perhaps in a really bad neighborhood but not really. There aren't bands of kidsnatchers roaming the streets looking for an unattended child. But the media has everyone out there in a panic. It's unlikely that there are any more kidnappings today than there were 40 years ago.

PeterTHX said,

Perhaps in a really bad neighborhood but not really. There aren't bands of kidsnatchers roaming the streets looking for an unattended child. But the media has everyone out there in a panic. It's unlikely that there are any more kidnappings today than there were 40 years ago.

Well, I don't live in a bad neighborhood, and I am certainly going to let a child wander around in it unsupervised. Considering that statistics show that more than 2,000 children are reported missing in the US daily, its not a chance I will risk.

adrynalyne said,
Nope. We wanted a way to track her and communicate with her without the need for her relying on her friend's parents when she wasn't with us. It was our idea. She got our feature phone hand-me-downs. She took such good care of them that she got a hand-me-down iPhone4 when she was 9. The 5s is the first phone purchased solely for her.

As for the computers, only one was paid for, and it is low end (paid 200 for it and used my old monitor). The second one is a laptop that I received for free because HP couldn't fix my old one.

This is what its all about, good parenting and good decisions. I salute you good sir and your decisions!

Edit, just to add, I think some folks miss the point, if your kids are responsible enough and treat things of value like things of value, then why not trust them with devices of value? There is no acceptable age of iPhone or computer, its solely based (or should be) on merit and responsibility, you have to reward responsibility with more responsibility, its just the way that kind of lesson goes - your kids will benefit and not be held up by others not brought up so well.

I guess my parents where vegetable since I had a Nes and Genesis by the age of 2 (sister was 7) and a commodore 64 vic 20 since i was borned, and all subsequent console on launch day until I was able to pay for it myself. And what did it do to me? I eat healthy food, I do sport, travel by bicycle, have very good reflex, big memory, good eye/hand coordination, and I'm a computer analyst working in NLP. So yeah, videogame really screwed my childhood and my life...

duddit2 said,

There is no acceptable age of iPhone or computer, its solely based (or should be) on merit and responsibility

I am not criticizing the fact that adrynalyne's daughter has had a cellphone since she was 4, but I will say this, the issue is more nuanced than what you believe. Merit and responsibility are not the primary criteria. How about safety? I'm not talking about keeping track of kids, but rather whether a certain piece of technology is even safe for young/developing kids to use. My next door neighbors, a young couple, have a son who's 3+ right now. They have decided not to give him a cellphone because they feel the existing studies regarding radiation effects aren't conclusive (and haven't taken young kids into account with their much thinner skulls). Further, there is evidence that cellphones disrupt sleep patterns in young children. They were mentioning some other studies as well one day but I can't quite remember at present. I'm not trying to suggest that everyone should do the same with their kids, but the point is that it's up to the parents to decide whether gadgets are absolutely necessary at a young age and the best thing for their kids. We grew up without all these gadgets, and while they are indispensable now, it's not yet proven either way what long-term effects they can have. Merit and responsibility are fine, but for some parents it's better to be safe rather than sorry later, plus even if their fears are unfounded delaying access to gadgets by a few years is not something that will harm a child's mental or physical development.