Texas bans Windows Vista from government use

Windows Vista wasn't the biggest commercial success; many companies refused to use it initially, and are sticking with XP for now. It's strange, however, that the state of Texas has only just now declared it unfit for government use, despite a service pack having been released and many initial issues fixed.

The news comes from Computer World, and states that it is now not allowed for government agencies to upgrade to Windows Vista, because "of the many reports of problems with Vista." They say that they are not picking on Microsoft, but that they just don't trust the most recent Windows operating system, and that Windows XP does everything they need to.

Now, government agencies are actually still allowed to install Windows Vista, but if they wish to do so they have to obtain a written approval of the Legislative Budget Board before they can purchase Vista licenses, or even computers with Vista installed via OEM. According to TUAW, a Microsoft spokeswoman wrote in an e-mail, "We're surprised that the Texas Senate Finance Committee adopted a rider which, in effect, singles out a specific corporation and product for unequal treatment. We hope as the budget continues to go through the process, this language will be removed."

Texas has so far spent $6.1 million USD to upgrade 44 state agencies, so it's strange that only now they've decided it's unfit for use. What does Neowin think about this? Is it unfair to upapprove of government agencies upgrading to Windows Vista, or should they be able to spend money where they see fit?

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It is pretty simple really and it is mostly Microsoft's fault. We banned it at our local govt site (Texas) because they got the cart before the horse. Vista has additional security and registry that cannot be addressed by a 2003 Server domain. That means loss of control. In our testing as sysadmins Vist would not even run the admin tool pack on a Server 2003 environment. Now, if Microsoft had gotten Server 2008 WAY BEFORE Vista Business the story would be different.

I use Vista at home. Have no problems with it. Resource hog, of course. The problem with outlawing it after the fact is that there is some autonomy on agency sides that allow them to outrun management. It happens.

Texas is one of those whacko states that have the goofiest laws (along with California, Flordia, New York). It must be something in their water poisoning their brains.

That is just retarded. Vista is actually more stable than XP is.

Remember, if it wasn't for Texas putting that retard George W. Bush into their governor's chair, our entire nation (and the global economy) wouldn't be bankrupt right now. So, yeah, I don't give anything from Texas the benefit of the doubt anymore. 8)

excalpius said,
Remember, if it wasn't for Texas putting that retard George W. Bush into their governor's chair, our entire nation (and the global economy) wouldn't be bankrupt right now. So, yeah, I don't give anything from Texas the benefit of the doubt anymore. 8)


I didn't like Bush, but I dont think it's all his fault with the economy, that was the cumulation of MANY years of stupid policy

Many of those were his though (especially the "pro-business" lack of regulatory oversight, the "market will take care of itself" attitude, and borrowing trillions from the Chinese to pay for wealthy tax cuts, crony graft, and an unnecessary war in Iraq for the previous 8 years. But I really didn't intend to hijack the thread. 8P

The market wasn't allowed to take care of itself. That was the problem. Government meddled where it shouldn't and this is what we got.

The war in Iraq "only" cost $610 billion. (That's today's figure. It goes up by millions per day). That's not counting Afganistan, the no-bid contracts for Haliburton, the kick-backs, payoffs, sweet deals, and assorted porkbarelling that went on during the 8-year Moronocracy. Thus, Fox Noise is completely justified in claiming that the financial collapse is entirely Obama's fault, because of course he wasn't president when the economy collapsed, therfore it must have been his fault. Couldn't be Bush's fault. Oh no, he walks on water and can do no wrong.
Meanwhile the neocons who got us into this mess get rich bailouts and are laughing all the way to the cayman islands.

Why think for yourself when you can read reports of Vista on the Internet where EVERYTHING is true.

Texas should really try Windows Mojave. They will be blown away like so many others.

Governments, as well as business, are well known for being slow to upgrade. In fact, Microsoft caters to many of these people. It's no wonder though, considering how much it costs to replace a lot of these systems, much less get them to work the way they want them too.

From what I read above, they said "of the many reports of problems with Vista." That could very well have to do with the variety of devices used, and/or lack of support from that particular manufacturer. Either way, a government or big business being cautious about the systems they use isn't out of the ordinary.

This is funny. I used to work for a government agency in Texas, and many state-owned computers had Vista on them last year.

Articles like this should make Microsoft re-think only letting Vista users truly upgrade to Win7. Otherwise, they are opening the door for Linux since both would take a lot of work to deploy from XP. And, with the Open Source initiative, supposedly cheaper cost of ownership, and the huge advancements in WINE, Microsoft could have some serious competition in the near future! I think Microsoft might want to re-think their strategies and pricing options when it comes time to roll out Win7!

You can upgrade XP to Vista, then upgrade Vista to Windows 7. You don't even need to activate/register the copy of Vista before you upgrade to Windows 7 so while it is a seemingly needless extra step, it will get you from A to B while keeping your settings etc. in tact. Provided of course your machine has the chops to run Vista/7 in the first place.

This is just ridiculous. Even governments are buying into this. Just shows how bad press can ruin a product.

I use XP, Vista, and Windows 7 on a regular basis... and while I will say that Windows 7 is much better than Vista, Vista is much better than XP as well.

Silverskull said,
This is just ridiculous. Even governments are buying into this. Just shows how bad press can ruin a product.

I use XP, Vista, and Windows 7 on a regular basis... and while I will say that Windows 7 is much better than Vista, Vista is much better than XP as well.


Vista is not better for ADUC use. WTH would they not allow you to drag and drop objects in ADUC in Vista???? It's just ridiculous!!!!

Silverskull said,
This is just ridiculous. Even governments are buying into this. Just shows how bad press can ruin a product.

I use XP, Vista, and Windows 7 on a regular basis... and while I will say that Windows 7 is much better than Vista, Vista is much better than XP as well.

EXACTLY.. I cant believe these people, how ridiculous..

Idiotic. Just idiotic. Vista is 10x as secure as XP ever was. I don't see how it can be unfit for a GOVERNMENT MACHINE. Machines using XP are vulnerable in hundreds of places, is this what we want our government using?

It's not at all idiotic.

They haven't banned it across the board - they've simply decided not to dump more money into a rat hole for "upgrades" that are a mixed bag at best.

I've banned Vista from our corp network.

Part of it is admittedly retaliatory for MS releasing a product that clearly wasn't ready.

Yeah - no product is completely ready, blah blah...
Fact is that Vista was a bigger offender than most.

The bigger reason is that I can find a whole lot better places to spend my budget than Vista licenses.

Like Windows 7 perhaps.

MS is due for a decent OS release.

Another reason is that many line of business apps are either not compatible with Vista, or the process to make them compatible is a waste of money.

Most of your statements I agree with. The spending money on needless vista licenses.

But your last statement has no justification. "many line of business apps are either not compatiable with Vista, or the process to make them compatible is a waste of money."

For one if you look at the version numbers 6.1.1.1.1 or whatever windows 7 caries, which is along the same lines as Vista. For app compatiblity MS wants all Vista apps to be compatible with Windows 7. So if your XP apps aren't compatible with Vista then they will not be compatible with Windows 7 or they will be "wasting money to make them compatible."

In turn were I work, we've already adopted the Vista turn-around on most of our IT stations and are slowly making the leap forward. This way we're not up ****s creek without a paddle when Windows 7 does drop and we do decide to upgrade we're not a step behind. It took alot of work to move my board into realizing the potiental ganes forward we will be making. Now the IT stations (desktop support) are 90% ready and moved over to Vista and are just awaiting to adopt the rest of the office and datacenters over to Sever2008. All problems are fixed and compatiablity issues are addressed. Windows 7 makes it's drop, we'll be ready for it with ease.

i dont blame them :)

even though i use Vista myself and would rather not go back to XP.

i do feel for alot of people they dont really want to leave XP not just because of change but because everything 'just works'.

because i think all the major boosts in the OS days are gone... because XP gave us everything we really needed from a PC. good performance/everything just works and it's 'stable' because prior to XP (not counting Win2k since that was not really made for the average joe) OS's where quite unstable if left running for days.

ThaCrip said,
because i think all the major boosts in the OS days are gone... because XP gave us everything we really needed from a PC. good performance/everything just works and it's 'stable' because prior to XP (not counting Win2k since that was not really made for the average joe) OS's where quite unstable if left running for days.

I think you may be surprised by Windows 7 in the speed boost department...

Kirkburn said,
I think you may be surprised by Windows 7 in the speed boost department...

Yep. Definately faster but it won't work on my 7 year old desktop (crash right after classpnp.sys).

It's the same for DET in Australia, they won't use Vista and will upgrade to Win7 when it comes out.
Good idea, imo.

Nothing wrong with XP doing everything they need it to do, but I'm curious as to what areas they don't trust in Vista. Security would be my #1 reason to switch over. Driver and App compatibility was fixed long ago so it's interesting to see Vista still being turned down. I just honestly don't see no reason to not switch, unless their own software just flat out doesn't work and can't justify fixing it.

xiphi said,
Nothing wrong with XP doing everything they need it to do, but I'm curious as to what areas they don't trust in Vista. Security would be my #1 reason to switch over. Driver and App compatibility was fixed long ago so it's interesting to see Vista still being turned down. I just honestly don't see no reason to not switch, unless their own software just flat out doesn't work and can't justify fixing it.

Meh. I don't think my workplace is planning on switching. In fact they were forced to do a SP3 update to XP because the 1 year grace period for support ran out on SP2.

I can understand not upgrading because of compatibility issues with existing systems, and I can understand not upgrading because XP already does what they need it to do. However, banning the use of Vista because, "of the many reports of problems with Vista," is ridiculous. Granted, they can do what they want with their (taxpayers) money.

Yeah, I'm from Texas..and I can say we have a bunch of people stuck in a time bubble. They don't like change. Anything too complex as using a toaster with a timer is something they would ban. God forbid they just work like the average person and learn new things..but no, they want their training from the 80's to be the only way of life..all I can do is *sigh*

Oh yes. Because all us Texans are all backwards in our thinking. After all, Texas is a huge pasture with cows grazing everywhere, oils spurts from the ground, and acts as a giant landing pad for illegal immigrants.

MagicalBob said,
Oh yes. Because all us Texans are all backwards in our thinking. After all, Texas is a huge pasture with cows grazing everywhere, oils spurts from the ground, and acts as a giant landing pad for illegal immigrants.

Um...yes? Your point?

Lol. Come on man, we both know it's not REALLY like that, but the point is our people have a tendency to move slow. It's the reason the stereotypes exist, right? Take it with a little humor.

ilaugh said,
Damn.. if this is not April fools then, this is pretty hardcore :o

Nope, certainly not April Fools. Otherwise I'd have a "Zing!" at the end.

ilaugh said,
Damn.. if this is not April fools then, this is pretty hardcore :o

It is definitely not an April Fools' prank since both articles were posted 2009 Apr 02.

I agree with your statement -- it's radically hardcore. I