The EU wants to monitor everything online

George Orwell would be most amused to hear about the latest development in the EU. Ten countries of the European Union have agreed to help develop computer programs that monitor the internet and CCTV images, according to Telegraph.co.uk. Just like in the novel,1984, the EU's project aim is to detect any abnormal behavior on forums, peer-to-peer networks and even individual computers. The ultimate goal is to try to presage possible conflicts or acts of terror. Philip K. Dick, the author of Minority Report, would also be very amused.

Project Indect is not only an attempt to scour the internet for strange behavior, the European Union is calling for a more unified law-enforcement system, across the European states. Police officers in the UK will be trained in European affairs over the course of the remaining 50 months the project.

The five-year initiative already began on January 1st, 2009. Now the EU has decided to increase the budget by 13.5 % to nearly 1 billion Euros ($1.4 billion). Especially in the UK it has caused an outcry. Since the British citizens are already feeling oppressed by an abundance of CCTV cameras, many have sounded off their protest.

Shami Chakrabarti, the director of human rights group Liberty, describes this whole project as positively chilling. "Profiling whole populations instead of monitoring individual suspects is a sinister move for any society", she said.

Stephen Booth, Analyst at Open Europe, who has thoroughly assessed this program, has definitely recognized the Orwellian nature of it. To him it would mean less personal freedom for the citizens of the European Union. They will meddle with their privacy and the citizens should ask themselves, whether the EU shouldn't spend tax money on something else.

No matter where this leads, the only hope is that it doesn't spiral out of control. An abundance of control becomes only an obstruction when everyone forgets what it's for. That's why, within this Project Indect, there is a special board for ethical issues. This could be the beginning of an effective EU "secret service".

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I guess they got everything else under control so they got bored and came up with new things to do, which is this. They also need an excuse to take more money from people to fund this kind of thing. Internet protection fee, its called.

"Just like in the novel,1984, the EU's project aim is to detect any abnormal behavior on forums, peer-to-peer networks and even individual computers"

I don't recall that happening in 1984. Bleh. Hate such references when they're completely invalid!

who the hell cares about terrorism anyhow, what are there in average maybe 1 in 100 million in a year die from that, its a joke, you have bigger chance getting killed by an allergic reaction to aspirin... what a waste of money

Meh, and we thought the US was squeezing everyone's rights. Why don't we just pull the plug on the internet and go back to the telegraph or good old mail. Should avoid all this crap.

Lucas said,
Meh, and we thought the US was squeezing everyone's rights. Why don't we just pull the plug on the internet and go back to the telegraph or good old mail. Should avoid all this crap.


LOL i'm sure the terrorist will do

OK, so the EU "government" gave itself the right to prevent an OS maker from including songs and movies player into its OS, then it gives itself the right to prevent the OS maker from even including program which allows the user to go to internet sites, which means basically making the OS useless, and even worse makes that law only apply to single OS maker, not the others.and calls that a thing to help competition !!! yea, make the "bad guys" OS useless piece of **** so people go and buy the other, this helps in making competition better !!!

Then now, it gives itself the right to monitor the internet forums which people make to talk about stuff, a right which it don't have even in "physical" forums, and it goes far to even monitor our personal computers, a right which it can't do with our physical files, and to punish us !!!

OK, so what's "my" point here ? we can't do anything, we are only waiting until they take the next step, make accessing the internet and using computers require "official passport" instead ip address :P

When the off-line world is perfect they car worry about the on-line world. I mean isn't real world issues more important than seeing that the guy 3 houses down is downloading child p0rn?

why dont they use the money to spy on the places where the terrorism comes from, not where the terrorism is targetting?

it's just beginning... First they want control the terrorist, than the opposition, than - all, who thinks differently.

Yes, I agree this is all bad but how surprised are we really? Governments have tried to do this since computers were invented. These days the government has broken the spirit of people down to the point where they don't think for themselves anymore and have fooled a lot of people into thinking only the government can keep you safe. I guess all governments have forgotten that people in the past start revolutions and overthrow governments for doing stuff like this. Governments are sadly mistaken if they think that people won't revolt against them for screwing them over endlessly. People can only take so much until they'd die to see things change for the better and not further some misaligned political agenda dictated by their government or the U.N. No one can take the right away from my being able to say the truth that Obama is a Socialist!

I for one think the crossed the line of what the hell they are supposed to do a long time ago...

Seriously though this is nothing new, there are already multinational programs to monitor communications... Yea some deny that yes, but some nations confirmed their part in it so...

Don't really care about **** like this anymore... Let it happen, it'll be amusing to see the results and the reactions when everyone realize we'r living in a version of 1984, hehe.

despite that its from the Telegraph... The project its real and scary. More because its the EU that is interested, meaning a bunch of coutries with their own laws. I dont want to know what might be the american response to this, where corporations have the real power on that country.

I'm off!
Getting on my bike and going to live in the mountains in the middle of the highlands where no one can find me. No phone, no internet, no money and then I'll be safe.

Until a satellite somewhere tales a photo of me and i end up on Google earth

hkgonra said,
Does anybody believe they aren't already doing this ?

There's much worse going on. They're not worried about terrorism, they want to be ready to impose martial law for when the economic decline of the western world gets worse. They want to be ready for the domestic terror and rioting by the unemployed and disenfranchised, not the religious terror--which has always been nothing but a diversion.

Their only solution to the economic problems is war. The global elite will never relinquish power willingly.

-Vivicidal- said,
Ugh, why are governments fixated on controlling people?

They have no power otherwise. They want the power, and they don't want the people to be able to think for themselves, because if they do than they might lose what little power they have left.

So as it seems to be already running since 01/09 if I say something or type, I get a knock on the door like in Stalin's Russia thru the secret back door in the middle of the night. How Orwellian. Just need to name the met etc thought police and were there or so it seems.

I fear that once this gets set up there it will be spreed worldwide. What's that line, oh yes:

People should not be afraid of their Government, Government should be afraid of their people.

Freedom does not always die a sudden death, but withers away from neglect.

Alas, this may be where we're heading in the US as well, with some advocating on-line censorship, not just of sites, but anything *you* post, like me typing this now. There are some advocating a tell-on-your-neighbor approach. And while I generally favor net neutrality, new rules just proposed take away any incentives for cell carriers or broadband providers to build out & maintain networks & service. While none of that may actually happen, there are folks pushing for it, & unless they get pushed back, it very well could.

Now some folks say monitoring everyone is not bad (perhaps even evil), & maybe it's not -- that's a subject for another debate. What isn't debatable is governments universally muck things up & some government employees abuse their power. Always.

Why are most people opposed to this? Are you a terrorist or peedo or something?

It really isn't a big deal. George Orwell can **** off.

SuperHans said,
Why are most people opposed to this? Are you a terrorist or peedo or something?

It really isn't a big deal. George Orwell can **** off.


You sure put a lot of trust in the lack of corruption in governments.
People you don't even know, people you may not even have voted for.

It doesn't take a terrorist to feel threatened by random people knowing every step you take, and taking note of this because you're opposed to some government ideas.

SuperHans said,
Why are most people opposed to this? Are you a terrorist or peedo or something?

It really isn't a big deal. George Orwell can **** off.


I am guessing you have never worked for any government entity. The whole thing runs on corruption (yes i am a civil service employee).

majortom1981 said,

I am guessing you have never worked for any government entity. The whole thing runs on corruption (yes i am a civil service employee).

fair enough

Jugalator said,
...It doesn't take a terrorist to feel threatened by random people knowing every step you take, and taking note of this because you're opposed to some government ideas.


Often it's not the politicians we elect, but the bureaucracies that may/may not do their bidding. Often enough they have no qualification requirements, no oversight, & are almost feudal systems where every step down the ladder you have some people trying to express their power over those under them. As citizens we're at the bottom of this food chain. You can run into it whenever you, as a citizen, deal with any part of the government -- even at the Post Office.

As far as retribution for thinking differently than government, consider the case of Humana, a health care organization in the US. Based on an official Congressional budget report, they wrote members to say proposed changes in US health care laws might cause cuts in service. Politicians in Congress didn't like this, so they slapped them with a gag order, & launched an investigation, which is plain terms at the least means harassment, at worst damaging the company itself, maybe fatally.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind if they put a camera and microphone in every room in your house so they could watch and listen to you night and day. After all, you have nothing to hide right?

Even if this proposal actually passed in to law (about as likely as the one in Germany to ban violent videogames), just how do they expect to be able to monitor the billions of websites online for "suspect" activity, hmm? The logistics will be impossible.

All they'll end up doing is keeping an eye on specific sites of interest, which police do ANYway.

FloatingFatMan said,
Even if this proposal actually passed in to law (about as likely as the one in Germany to ban violent videogames), just how do they expect to be able to monitor the billions of websites online for "suspect" activity, hmm? The logistics will be impossible.

All they'll end up doing is keeping an eye on specific sites of interest, which police do ANYway.


The ready legal justification for targeted abuse is scary all by itself. Add in traditional government ineptitude, & you have partial solutions that don't work intruding in your every day life. For example, while people feel the reasons behind it are worthwhile, no person going through an airport in the US doesn't absolutely loath the security, not to mention the often idiots employed to enforce it.

Ironically most of this anti-terrorism security seems based on the premise that any terrorist or law-breaker is a total moron.

Well, you should never believe what UK press it telling you abot the european union. It's mainly overly eurosceptic and biased

I dunno, it's not like they're monitoring ISP traffic... they're just going through websites which honestly anyone with a lot of time on their hands could do.

Although you might want to think twice before posting nuclear weapon delivery system designs...

splur said,
I dunno, it's not like they're monitoring ISP traffic... they're just going through websites which honestly anyone with a lot of time on their hands could do.

Although you might want to think twice before posting nuclear weapon delivery system designs...

Did you not read the part where it mentioned personal pc's?

Just like in the novel,1984, the EU's project aim is to detect any abnormal behavior on forums, peer-to-peer networks and even individual computers.

How would they do that, other than through your isp?

I don't like vague terms like that. Some people probably consider posting lolcats strange behavior, but I don't think people should monitored for it.

We are already under constant surveillance already. The governemtn can either legally get the information, or illegally as well. Don't think that you have private actions anymore.

Governments can't allow a place with complete freedom of speech, such a shame we are all sheep in a world controlled by power hungry fools.