The Galaxy brand raises Samsung's profits to astronomical levels

It’s no secret that Samsung has made a lot of money from the Galaxy brand; even the legal battles with Apple seem to have worked in their favor from a marketing and advertising perspective. The Galaxy S III is less than one year old and by November 2012 had sold over 30 million units to consumers around the world.

Well it’s now been confirmed that Samsung recorded a record profit of $8.3 billion for Q4 2012, mostly thanks to the Galaxy phone and tablet models, as well as demand for the flat screens they manufacture for other rival products.

There are concerns though that until new hardware arrives, mainly in the form of the Galaxy S IV smartphone, this record of five straight record quarters will come to an end in this quarter. Although improving chip prices have calmed any analyst fears allowing Samsung’s shares to reach record levels last week. So while Samsung can revel in their success, HTC can only record losses quarter on quarter.

The sheer number of devices, tweaked for different markets or consumer tastes is part of the reason for Samsung’s profits; they’ve saturated the market. While Apple released the iPhone 5, HTC released 18 different models of handset, Nokia nine and LG 24. Samsung on the other hand; a whopping 37 devices, with some practically identical depending on the country of release.

Song Myung-sub, an analyst at HI Investment & Securities has said:

The Note was selling well, boosting fourth-quarter profit, while iPhone 5 sales were less than expected. Samsung's profit will drop in the current quarter because of decreased phone profits. It will launch the Galaxy S IV only in March or April so, without new models, phone sales prices will fall this quarter. For the whole year, Samsung will launch new models faster than Apple and have the upper hand in the smartphone market.

And it’s the release of the Galaxy S IV that is predicted to drive sales for Samsung even in this, seasonally weak, quarter.

So that’s it. Samsung is flying high with strong sales that are expected to carry on into this quarter from last year. And as long as there is no major bump in the road, it looks like Samsung could be the mobile device manufacturer to beat in 2013.

Source: Financial Times | Images courtesy of Samsung

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To the fools who commented about people expecting a ~$100 phone to have good sound quality "getting what they paid for": obviously those companies (Samsung, Apple, Ericsson, HTC, etc.) got what they wanted, fools like you to believe that you should accept unacceptable quality unless you pay a fortune, and in many cases even when you pay a fortune, to still get **** quality and like it.

You people are the real reason we now get ridiculous speaker and microphone quality in phones.

Even the much revered Galaxy Note and Note 2 and Galaxy Nexus have HORRIBLE quality speakers and barely passable mics. "Back in the day" (read: much less than a decade) Nokia AS WELL as Samsung had phones that cost a tiny fraction of those phones with totally excellent quality speakers and mics (very clear, loud, undistorted, comprehensible sound quality).

You think it takes SO MUCH MONEY to bring you people decent sound quality? It would cost those companies a couple of dollars at most, yet they STILL cut corners in this most important aspect of the phone (sound quality). Samsung uses UNBELIEVABLY low quality speakers nowadays in almost all of their phones (yes, I said almost, not S 3, wooptidoo, be happy that you got the single good quality Galaxy phone), Even HTC Mozart which has HORRIBLE mic quality (so you hear muffled, distorted and barely comprehensible speech from the HTC Mozart user) has better quality.

**** this ****, you think I have any emotional connection to any of those companies (Samsung, Apple, whatever) like most of you frightening trolls do? I'm just frustrated that most companies (not Apple) get this **** out, and that you idiots make up myths about people not deserving a phone with decent sound quality below a ridiculous price point.

One of the interesting parts of the Samsung earnings statement is gross margin:

The market continues to underestimate its earnings power in high-end smartphones and is prematurely calling for peaking margin," Kim said, adding that the company's operating profit margin for premium smartphones currently stands at over 30 percent.

30% profit margin is very respectable. Unlike many of their competitors who have revenue of $x-zillion dollars but suffer a loss of $y-million, Samsung is actually making money on their premium devices. They have exceptional market share on quality products that are being sold at a profit. It's one thing to dump a device at a loss and have great sales number (see: XBox 360) or at zero profit (see: Nexus 7) but when you can do it while making money it means you've got something people actually want to use.

It'll be interesting to see how Apple compares for the holiday quarter (they're offering guidance of 36%, so not drastically higher than Samsung). That announcement beat the hell out of their share price because they used to margins closer in the 40-45% range. If Apple's margins do drop to the low 30s it might indicate they're feeling pressure to compete on performance/features-per-dollar instead of just the "my kit is better than yours so you'll gladly pay a premium for it" strategy that worked so well between 2007 and 2011.

Well, the Galaxy brand is 90% of the mobile division of Samsung. Plus, they have smartphones from a few dollars to high end devices, and tablets too. Samsung is the company with the largest variety of products in mobile division. It couldn't be any different.


The sheer number of devices, tweaked for different markets or consumer tastes is part of the reason for Samsung's profits; they've saturated the market. While Apple released the iPhone 5, HTC released 18 different models of handset, Nokia nine and LG 24. Samsung on the other hand; a whopping 37 devices, with some practically identical depending on the country of release.

Remember when HTC were slammed consistently for releasing phones in a similar manner? And how they raked in the cash? But as Samsung is a very well known brand they won't decline as fast as them

The Galaxy brand is more powerful than Android. Samsung doesnt need their own OS anymore. If the continue like this they can soon tell Google in what direction they'd like them to take Android.

It's Samsung vs Apple not Google vs Apple. Nokia and HTC should be happy that Samsung is only testing the waters when it comes to Windows Phone. If they went all in then it would be game over.

Really? Do you not ever see all the hate with them taking forever to update os when Google releases them? Samsung is not a great software company neither is Sony or even Motorola, which is why they need Google to design the OS in order to succeed. Samsung has currently Windows phones which don't sell as well as Android so imagine a phone with their own os. Your comment is full retard.

I'd love it for Samsung to pick up google-less Linux. meego/Ubuntu would be best. Just throw google under the bus. they are nothing but a badly written set of device drivers at this point.

Samsung releases faster than any other manufacturer, especially for their international phones. They take forever b/c of carriers in the US.

S7R1K3R said,
Really? Do you not ever see all the hate with them taking forever to update os when Google releases them? Samsung is not a great software company neither is Sony or even Motorola, which is why they need Google to design the OS in order to succeed. Samsung has currently Windows phones which don't sell as well as Android so imagine a phone with their own os. Your comment is full retard.

Thank you for insulting my comment.

Now please google or bing 'Bada' before you ever say anything again.

I haven't come across a Samsung phone with poor build quality. The lats one I used was a friend's Galaxy S3 and I was very impressed with the quality of the screen. Although I don't use Samsung devices, I'm glad they've been successful with the Galaxy brand. The more competition, the better. I hope this makes other phone manufacturers improve their products.

Fine, and since this is not a finance website, but a technology website, I'll comment that it's too bad that almost all of Samsung's phones have **** speaker quality. It's a phone, first and foremost, so start (more accurately: go back to) using some decent ****ing audio-related hardware in your phones.

audioman said,
Fine, and since this is not a finance website, but a technology website, I'll comment that it's too bad that almost all of Samsung's phones have **** speaker quality. It's a phone, first and foremost, so start (more accurately: go back to) using some decent ****ing audio-related hardware in your phones.

Samsung clearly sacrificed physical quality for higher profits. Crappy screens, crappy chassis, etc. It's sad that people put up with that.

Oh please, I have owned 2 Samsung phones and the display is great. Nothing wrong with it. Speaker is fine as well to. Can hear everyone clear as a bell. If Samsung phones were as bad as lots claim to be, then they wouldnt be making as much money off the Galaxy line as they are currently.


LOL. If you buy a 100 bucks smartphone and ask for a great speaker, the problem is you.

Also, if you call a super smartphone like the GS3 ou Note 2 a crappy screen and chassi, you clearly have problems in your eyes, or you simply vomit any BS you read about pentile or you really never used one of those phones.

Sorry, you may want those things to be true, but that doesn't make them so.

audioman said,
Fine, and since this is not a finance website, but a technology website, I'll comment that it's too bad that almost all of Samsung's phones have **** speaker quality. It's a phone, first and foremost, so start (more accurately: go back to) using some decent ****ing audio-related hardware in your phones.

The Galaxy S3s audio quality is awesome. Calls are loud and clear.

Luis Mazza said,

LOL. If you buy a 100 bucks smartphone and ask for a great speaker, the problem is you.

Also, if you call a super smartphone like the GS3 ou Note 2 a crappy screen and chassi, you clearly have problems in your eyes, or you simply vomit any BS you read about pentile or you really never used one of those phones.

Sorry, you may want those things to be true, but that doesn't make them so.

Yea, I can see low end phones having issues...but then again, you get what you pay for. Ive owned a couple high end Samsung phones...no problem.

Ive owned GS2, Nexus and both of them have crappy speakerphones. My 3 year old blackberry has a better speakerphone and mic which I don't have to yell into for someone to hear me. I still prefer the Samsungs but yes I wish they fixed the call quality issues.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Samsung clearly sacrificed physical quality for higher profits. Crappy screens, crappy chassis, etc. It's sad that people put up with that.

And if there is anyone who knows about a company that frequently makes compromises for profit, it is an Apple fan.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Samsung clearly sacrificed physical quality for higher profits. Crappy screens, crappy chassis, etc. It's sad that people put up with that.

New year, same old Astra.Xtreme. But I feel for you, must be annoying reading all these good news about Apple's competitors. So sad.

S7R1K3R said,
Ive owned GS2, Nexus and both of them have crappy speakerphones. My 3 year old blackberry has a better speakerphone and mic which I don't have to yell into for someone to hear me. I still prefer the Samsungs but yes I wish they fixed the call quality issues.

i do agree that the mic on my old blackberry was better than anything, noise reduction, everything... but the speaker on my gs3 is clear and loud in voice and games (i keep it at about 3/4 volume and it's perfect) and the screen is awesome, even friends with iphones say it's great

wendoman said,
SGS 3 / SGN2 pentile display is a crap

SGS 3 screen isn't ideal but it isn't crap.

SGN2 doesn't have a pentile screen, it's full RGB and it's great.

dr_crabman said,

New year, same old Astra.Xtreme. But I feel for you, must be annoying reading all these good news about Apple's competitors. So sad.

Any I would care why? Remind me what that saying is about making assumptions... I actually want Samsung to do well because it creates a tough market for competition. What I don't like seeing is Samsung making *****y quality phones and making killer profits by cutting those corners because it promotes everybody else in the market to do the same.

techbeck said,
Oh please, I have owned 2 Samsung phones and the display is great. Nothing wrong with it. Speaker is fine as well to. Can hear everyone clear as a bell. If Samsung phones were as bad as lots claim to be, then they wouldnt be making as much money off the Galaxy line as they are currently.

If one of those phones was an S3, then you really must not have high standards as that pentile display is absolute garbage. Granted I'm sure you won't take my word for it, but there is plenty of proof all over the net. Eat up.

Astra.Xtreme said,

If one of those phones was an S3, then you really must not have high standards as that pentile display is absolute garbage. Granted I'm sure you won't take my word for it, but there is plenty of proof all over the net. Eat up.

Several family members have the s3, no problems.

I can either eat up what the Internet says, or use my own eyes.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Samsung clearly sacrificed physical quality for higher profits. Crappy screens, crappy chassis, etc. It's sad that people put up with that.

Still better than Apple sacrificing *you* as a customer at the altar. It's sad people put up with that that.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Any I would care why? Remind me what that saying is about making assumptions... I actually want Samsung to do well because it creates a tough market for competition. What I don't like seeing is Samsung making *****y quality phones and making killer profits by cutting those corners because it promotes everybody else in the market to do the same.

Seeing you in constant denial is hilarious. You provide great entertainment value, I'll give you that.

audioman said,
Fine, and since this is not a finance website, but a technology website, I'll comment that it's too bad that almost all of Samsung's phones have **** speaker quality. It's a phone, first and foremost, so start (more accurately: go back to) using some decent ****ing audio-related hardware in your phones.

For some people, like me, the volume is too low. However, VOLUME+ (an app) solves the solution.

javagreen said,

Seeing you in constant denial is hilarious. You provide great entertainment value, I'll give you that.

Please explain to me what I'm in denial for? Please do...
It's an absolute fact that Samsung is cutting corners in order to save on production costs. They have even said it themselves that they are using inferior components. It's come down to two choices here. Either you and your Samsung loving army is too blind and/or in denial that this is occurring. Or you simply don't care that you're buying a crappy quality phone. I respect the latter because people have different priorities. All I'm doing is calling it as it is, so if you and others are butthurt by the truth, that's your choice...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Please explain to me what I'm in denial for? Please do...
It's an absolute fact that Samsung is cutting corners in order to save on production costs. They have even said it themselves that they are using inferior components. It's come down to two choices here.

You have a source for Samsung saying they are using inferior products? Would be pretty damn stupid for a company to say that about something they sell. Not saying they didnt...I just want to read it.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Please explain to me what I'm in denial for? Please do...
It's an absolute fact that Samsung is cutting corners in order to save on production costs. They have even said it themselves that they are using inferior components. It's come down to two choices here. Either you and your Samsung loving army is too blind and/or in denial that this is occurring. Or you simply don't care that you're buying a crappy quality phone. I respect the latter because people have different priorities. All I'm doing is calling it as it is, so if you and others are butthurt by the truth, that's your choice...

Apple cut corners on their maps, but some in the Apple loving army deny that there is any problems with it. iPod touch has traditionally cut corners and used a worse camera than the iPhone, and cut corners and did not add a microphone, speakers, or GPS. My Mac Mini is not upgradeable to Mountain Lion because Apple cut corners and do not make their software work in their own computers that are just a few years old.

Apple, frequently cutting corners.

wendoman said,
SGS 3 / SGN2 pentile display is a crap

If you think the Note 2 has a pentile display, it's clear you don't bother informing yourself before forming your opinions, and you probably extend this behavior to all sorts of other opinions in your life, and I can only imagine how many things you assert that are a load of crap.

techbeck said,

You have a source for Samsung saying they are using inferior products? Would be pretty damn stupid for a company to say that about something they sell. Not saying they didnt...I just want to read it.

Yup:
http://www.mobileburn.com/1954...onger-thats-why-we-use-them

He doesn't directly say that it's an inferior display in terms of quality, but he does acknowledge that they made the trade-off for supposed longevity. It's really no secret that pentile is basically the worst display on modern phones. I used the S3 for a week and it drove me nuts that it was over-saturated and I could see the pixel jags from normal viewing distance.

nohone said,

Apple cut corners on their maps, but some in the Apple loving army deny that there is any problems with it. iPod touch has traditionally cut corners and used a worse camera than the iPhone, and cut corners and did not add a microphone, speakers, or GPS. My Mac Mini is not upgradeable to Mountain Lion because Apple cut corners and do not make their software work in their own computers that are just a few years old.

Apple, frequently cutting corners.

Everybody cuts some corners, nobody is denying that. Apple isn't even being discussed here, so I don't know what the point of bringing them up is... I think everybody hated Apple Maps. I never had any major problems with it, but I had no problem admitting that it was complete garbage compared to Google Maps. It was a sigh of relief when Google released it to iOS 6. The iPod is a cheap MP3 player, so of course it won't have the same components as the iPhone. Name another cheap MP3 player that does... And not sure what Mac Mini you have, but I have a 2009 model at home that is still fully supported. Just because Apple chooses not to support products that are old doesn't mean they are cutting corners in terms of quality. That doesn't even make sense. But look how many Android and Windows phones are thrown to the curb shortly after they are released...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Yup:
http://www.mobileburn.com/1954...onger-thats-why-we-use-them

He doesn't directly say that it's an inferior display in terms of quality, but he does acknowledge that they made the trade-off for supposed longevity. It's really no secret that pentile is basically the worst display on modern phones. I used the S3 for a week and it drove me nuts that it was over-saturated and I could see the pixel jags from normal viewing distance.

I didn't notice any of that; I think it has an outstanding display.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Yup:
http://www.mobileburn.com/1954...onger-thats-why-we-use-them

He doesn't directly say that it's an inferior display in terms of quality, but he does acknowledge that they made the trade-off for supposed longevity. It's really no secret that pentile is basically the worst display on modern phones. I used the S3 for a week and it drove me nuts that it was over-saturated and I could see the pixel jags from normal viewing distance.


Thanks for the info...and honestly, I have not noticed these problems with my families 4 G3's. Possible you got a lemon?

Astra.Xtreme said,

Everybody cuts some corners, nobody is denying that.

So when Samsung supposedly cutting corners, they need to be condemned for it and, to use your own words, people are "butthurt" over it. But when I point out a number of examples where Apple cuts corners, well everybody does it so it is not a big deal.


Astra.Xtreme said,
Apple isn't even being discussed here, so I don't know what the point of bringing them up is...

It is relevant since you are one of the bigger Apple apologists around, and you are only here to attack the rival of your favorite. So tell me, why are you commenting here? Do you own a Galaxy? Are you this upset because Samsung has sold you a deficient product? Are you here fighting for the consumer? Or are you here to try to score some points against Samsung in favor of Apple?


Astra.Xtreme said,
I think everybody hated Apple Maps. I never had any major problems with it, but I had no problem admitting that it was complete garbage compared to Google Maps. It was a sigh of relief when Google released it to iOS 6.

There were some here on Neowin that were saying maps were perfect, that there were no problems. When pictures were shown of just how bad they were - deformed bridges, streets that disappeared, 100 year old landmarks that were missing - we had people saying that it was a first version, and we should just give them a pass because Apple tried really hard, and that is what really counts.

Astra.Xtreme said,
The iPod is a cheap MP3 player, so of course it won't have the same components as the iPhone. Name another cheap MP3 player that does...

So $400 for an MP3 player is cheap?


Astra.Xtreme said,
And not sure what Mac Mini you have, but I have a 2009 model at home that is still fully supported. Just because Apple chooses not to support products that are old doesn't mean they are cutting corners in terms of quality.

Wait, your Mac is still supported? Oh, well, I feel so much better now. Who cares about my Mini not being supported, because yours is.
I bought my Mini late 2008, so when ML was released, it was 4 1/2 years old. When 10 year old video cards were not supported in Vista upon release, people had a fit. Just a few weeks ago there was a thread over in the forums where some guy was raging because his early Pentium 4 that shipped in 2000 was no longer supported by Win8 because it lacked instruction set changes - 12 years later. But make a 4.5 year old product obsolete, I should be happy to pay Apple more money for a new one.

Apple cut corners. They could have spent the extra time to optimize their code, to make it work within the constraints of the product they built and sold to me. But why do that? They cut corners to rush something out the door, and in the process I will not buy another Mac because I don't know how long they will support me.

Astra.Xtreme said,
That doesn't even make sense. But look how many Android and Windows phones are thrown to the curb shortly after they are released...

And that is the point - it is for the benefit of humanity when Apple kicks their products to the curb. You should be happy to upgrade, because it gives you new tech, and it increases Apple's bottom line. But some other company does it, and it only receives distain from people like you.

nohone said,

So when Samsung supposedly cutting corners, they need to be condemned for it and, to use your own words, people are "butthurt" over it. But when I point out a number of examples where Apple cuts corners, well everybody does it so it is not a big deal.

A little lost are we? This conversation has been about cutting corners on quality. Everything you have whined about has been unrelated and steering away from the point. If you want to continue the conversation, use your head before you open your mouth...


It is relevant since you are one of the bigger Apple apologists around, and you are only here to attack the rival of your favorite. So tell me, why are you commenting here? Do you own a Galaxy? Are you this upset because Samsung has sold you a deficient product? Are you here fighting for the consumer? Or are you here to try to score some points against Samsung in favor of Apple?

Well it's pretty clear you haven't read a word of what I said and instead are tiptoeing around the point to attack me for some reason... I'll say it again. It's bad for the market when a company cuts corners like Samsung has, and makes a big profit from it. They will continue to cut those corners more and more and it promotes everybody else to do the same to increase their bottom line. I hope to hell that trend doesn't come true since some people prefer quality to the cheap junk. Just so you don't get lost again, this is in regards to physical quality of a product.


There were some here on Neowin that were saying maps were perfect, that there were no problems. When pictures were shown of just how bad they were - deformed bridges, streets that disappeared, 100 year old landmarks that were missing - we had people saying that it was a first version, and we should just give them a pass because Apple tried really hard, and that is what really counts.

I wasn't one of them, so I'm not sure what you're going on about...
Personally I think they should be ashamed of themselves for releasing such crap to the market. When 'what's his face' got fired, it was rightfully so.


So $400 for an MP3 player is cheap?

Since when was an iPod $400? Try again?...


Wait, your Mac is still supported? Oh, well, I feel so much better now. Who cares about my Mini not being supported, because yours is.
I bought my Mini late 2008, so when ML was released, it was 4 1/2 years old. When 10 year old video cards were not supported in Vista upon release, people had a fit. Just a few weeks ago there was a thread over in the forums where some guy was raging because his early Pentium 4 that shipped in 2000 was no longer supported by Win8 because it lacked instruction set changes - 12 years later. But make a 4.5 year old product obsolete, I should be happy to pay Apple more money for a new one.

I'm sorry my comment was so over your head. Even though I elaborated at the point I was getting at... But again, this has nothing to do with length of support, so yet again you are rambling away from the point...


Apple cut corners. They could have spent the extra time to optimize their code, to make it work within the constraints of the product they built and sold to me. But why do that? They cut corners to rush something out the door, and in the process I will not buy another Mac because I don't know how long they will support me.

Am I supposed to pat you on the back? So you're expecting that your old product should be supported forever? Good luck finding that sort of deal with any company. Even Microsoft is starting to go that route.


And that is the point - it is for the benefit of humanity when Apple kicks their products to the curb. You should be happy to upgrade, because it gives you new tech, and it increases Apple's bottom line. But some other company does it, and it only receives distain from people like you.

Why do you keep rambling on about that? A little reading comprehension will go a long ways... What does that have anything to do with Samsung releasing products using inferior components? Nothing... So please explain what your actual point is...

Edited by Astra.Xtreme, Jan 8 2013, 9:26pm :

Astra.Xtreme said,

A little lost are we? This conversation has been about cutting corners on quality. Everything you have whined about has been unrelated and steering away from the point. If you want to continue the conversation, use your head before you open your mouth...


And Apple cut corners on quality. They could have made a truly quality product and put speakers in the iTouch. They could have made a quality product and made Mountain Lion work on my Mac Mini. But they cut corners. To use your own words, All I'm doing is calling it as it is, so if you and others are butthurt by the truth, that's your choice. Apple cut corners, but you and the Apple army don't want to admit to it and instead attack me.


Well it's pretty clear you haven't read a word of what I said and instead are tiptoeing around the point to attack me for some reason... I'll say it again. It's bad for the market when a company cuts corners like Samsung has, and makes a big profit from it. They will continue to cut those corners more and more and it promotes everybody else to do the same to increase their bottom line. I hope to hell that trend doesn't come true since some people prefer quality to the cheap junk. Just so you don't get lost again, this is in regards to physical quality of a product.

So Apple cuts corners, they could have used the better camera in the iTouch but wen the cheap route to increase the bottom line. They are the richest company out there, and you are lamenting about Samsung cutting corners. Look at the plank in your own eye...



Since when was an iPod $400? Try again?...

You are right, the highest priced one is $399. I was a dollar off. How horrible of me.
http://store.apple.com/us/brow...shop_ipod/family/ipod_touch

Of course, you are trying to change the conversation (didn't you just complain about that?). I wrote iPod Touch, and then you changed it to iPod then accuse me of quoting a $400 price tag. No, there are no $400 iPods, but there is a $400 (excuse me, $399, don't want you claiming that I am quoting incorrect numbers) iPod Touch.


I'm sorry my comment was so over your head. Even though I elaborated at the point I was getting at... But again, this has nothing to do with length of support, so yet again you are rambling away from the point...

There is that butthurt thing again. You complain about others being butthurt and not being able to recognize facts, but when I am showing that Apple is cutting corners, go on the attack just as you complained of others doing.



Am I supposed to pat you on the back? So you're expecting that your old product should be supported forever? Good luck finding that sort of deal with any company. Even Microsoft is starting to go that route.

No, but I expect the same thing that the Apple fanboys complained about. As I wrote, 10 year old devices not being supported with Vista upon release: Microsoft should rot in the pits of hell. Apple doesn't support the whole computer because they cut corners: you are expecting too much of them.


Why do you keep rambling on about that? A little reading comprehension will go a long ways... What does that have anything to do with Samsung releasing products using inferior components? Nothing... So please explain what your actual point is...

The Apple army must be really butthurt right now.

nohone said,

[snip ramble]

I'll group this all into one since you are still clearly confused about what's at topic...

You do realize that the iTouch costed $200 up until the more recent one?... Compared to an out of contract iPhone, which starts at $649... If you think they should have identical components minus the cellular capability, then you are truly delusional. You've provided no evidence of anything here...

And again, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of support quality vs physical quality. You keep rambling about support quality, which has nothing to do with my initial comment. You're taking the typical evasive stance of somebody who can't keep up in a discussion and has to revert to trying to steer away from the point. Good try, but it's just making you look foolish...

The physical (please reread that word 10-15 times so you get it through your thick skull) quality is lacking in recent Galaxy products. I, and a million other people who've voiced their opinion about this, feel this way. That is, and always have been, my point. You brought Apple into this, so that's your own insecurities speaking...

There are some people out there that demand quality, and instead of being a sheep and putting up with it, will be there to call it out. You're entitled to your opinion as well, but at least provide a response of relevance... Your trolling tactic of bringing Apple into this and attacking me on it brought down the intelligence level of the entire conversation. Nice job...

Astra.Xtreme said,

I'll group this all into one since you are still clearly confused about what's at topic...

You do realize that the iTouch costed $200 up until the more recent one?...


So they raise the price with the same mediocre tech. And you are complaining about others cutting corners, looking to raise their bottom line, and the companies doing that are wrong. That is your defense of Apple? Hope you are not a lawyer.

Compared to an out of contract iPhone, which starts at $649... If you think they should have identical components minus the cellular capability, then you are truly delusional. You've provided no evidence of anything here...

The bigger cost of a phone is the cellular radio and licensing of patents. And when iSuppli estimated the iPhone5 16GB to cost $207 to build, subtracting out the cell radio and patents that are not needed for an iTouch, you are not making a good case for Apple cutting corners.


And again, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of support quality vs physical quality. You keep rambling about support quality, which has nothing to do with my initial comment. You're taking the typical evasive stance of somebody who can't keep up in a discussion and has to revert to trying to steer away from the point. Good try, but it's just making you look foolish...

So building an efficient OS is somehow support quality? Microsoft has managed to reduce the requirements of their OS. But with each successive upgrade of OSX it ran worse and worse. Apple cut corners on good engineering, plain and simple.


The physical (please reread that word 10-15 times so you get it through your thick skull)

Yet again, personal attacks. When you have nothing else to back up your arguments, resort to personal attacks. Quite sad, actually.


The physical (please reread that word 10-15 times so you get it through your thick skull) quality is lacking in recent Galaxy products. I, and a million other people who've voiced their opinion about this, feel this way. That is, and always have been, my point. You brought Apple into this, so that's your own insecurities speaking...

You were the one who had to step in and attack, and we know how you like to attack over and over products that do not carry the Apple logo. We know you were using this as an attack to support your favorite. I was just exposing your hypocrisy, whining about "butthurt" armies, and here you are, attacking because someone said something unfavorable about Apple. Over and over you do this, whine about others, and then get upset when someone says something that is not complementary of Apple. And the fact that you want to keep Apple out of the conversation, by complaining about me mentioning them, shows that you are only here to attack in effort to protect Apple.


There are some people out there that demand quality, and instead of being a sheep and putting up with it, will be there to call it out. You're entitled to your opinion as well, but at least provide a response of relevance...

Of course, if I were to talk about sheep who blindly follow Apple, you would start having a fit about me being a hater, and need to stop attacking the poor Apple.


Your trolling tactic of bringing Apple into this and attacking me on it brought down the intelligence level of the entire conversation. Nice job...

Again, attacking. You go into a story about a product you don't own, have no plans on owning, complain about something that somebody else told you was bad about a device, attack me as a troll, whine about me supposedly attacking you (which is exactly what you have done over and over again), and then bringing down the IQ of a conversation (like you calling people Butthurt injected intelligence) shows that you are just here to complain.