The PlayStation 4 to cost $399, available this holiday season

The PlayStation 4 will cost $399 (399 EUR or 349 GPB), Sony has announced at their E3 2013 press conference, undercutting the Xbox One (bundled with Kinect) by $100, although this particular PS4 bundle appears to only include the console and a controller; camera hardware sold separately. It will be available this holiday season, although a date was not specified.

At today's event a number of other features of the console were discussed, including the used game and DRM policies, and the final hardware design for the unit was revealed. On the gaming side, Sony has announced that 20 exclusive titles will be available for the PlayStation 4 in the first year, with a number of other multi-platform games shown at the extensive event.

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As far as I'm concerned Sony won e3.

$100 cheaper system.

Used game friendly.

No required 24 hour net connection.

No required camera.

Gaikai streamed ps3 titles for a 'form' of backwards compatibility.

Not regional locked.

...

For me it's the winner of the show. Other people here just don't want to give up their MS habit or they work for MS secretly.

As for me, it's an easy choice. At this point there is no one true system to rule them all it would seem. Oh well...

Wow... every arrogant gamer and Sony fan has come out today. They're almost worse than Apple/Google fanbois.

Both the Xbox One, (the updated) Xbox 360, and the PS4 are good devices, and are suited for different personal needs/wants. To say "MS got owned" or all these stupid comments are ridiculous. Xbox One definitely has more bang for the buck in the overall picture than the PS4 which is why it's priced slightly higher. If you want simply just the gaming unit, get the updated 360 or the PS4. Geez. No need to go on a rampage.

Talk about first world problems....

I think the negative response Microsoft is getting over their Xbox One policies is well deserved and justified. The fans/customers spoke up very vocally against their plans, Microsoft put out a PR statement saying that they were "listening" to their customers' concerns and followed it up by another statement confirming everything people were speaking against. Now that Sony has made public their stance on used games, online activation, and always-on internet requirement it becomes even more obvious that Microsoft chose to spit in their customers' faces, plain and simple. I know the market will eventually go all "digital delivery" and the used games/online stuff will be a moot point, but I don't think the customers are quite ready for that just yet, Microsoft definitely jumped the gun here. It is my hope that just like they did with the whole Windows 8 boot to desktop and start button they can actually listen to the market and backpedal on their announced policies. We're still several months away from launch and all of these "issues" can be fixed quickly by modifying some lines of code. The ball is on their court now and it's their decision whether or not they want to step all over their customers. It may seem like an embarrassment to admit they were wrong to start with and change their plans, but it's in their best interest to do so, unless they want to put out a white flag and give this generation to Sony on a silver platter.

What I find funny is the world is talking about how bad Sony put it to Microsoft yesterday / yahoo / Forbes / CNN / msnbc / Fox News all talking about Microsoft and how they failed to capture the crowd and when they announced the price the room went quiet. You all can defend your product all you want but there is a clear winner and that is Sony nothing you can argue proved otherwise and to top that the ps4 is more powerful

Better hardware (don't care about kinect), cheaper price, but most importantly, no daily DRM. No brainer, Sony gets my $ and M$ isn't even a consideration. Drop the DRM, used game greed and it's a different story.

Hahaiah said,
Better hardware (don't care about kinect), cheaper price, but most importantly, no daily DRM. No brainer, Sony gets my $ and M$ isn't even a consideration. Drop the DRM, used game greed and it's a different story.


That's what I'm sayin Microsoft = bad for the player

I was wondering, as there is no RCA output in the back like the PS3, will we be able to output the sound from something else than the HDMI ?

A controller designed to be used with move, yet move is an additional extra, and disc swapping between games. Ugh no thanks

playstation eye costs £44 in uk so even when you add that to the console price (£349) you get £393 which is £36 cheaper than the xbox one.

torrentthief said,
playstation eye costs £44 in uk so even when you add that to the console price (£349) you get £393 which is £36 cheaper than the xbox one.

I must have missed the part of the presentation where they demonstrated move and the ps4 eye. When did they announce the pricing for it?

You know what is amazing? the difference in the type of comments on here compared to other sites for example.... Reddit. I am sorry but you can tell a lot of people here are just blinded by their fanboyism for Microsoft.

Shikaka said,
You know what is amazing? the difference in the type of comments on here compared to other sites for example.... Reddit. I am sorry but you can tell a lot of people here are just blinded by their fanboyism for Microsoft.

And you're blinded by your fanboyism for Sony.. your point is? $100.00 over the lifetime of the console isn't a bad premium to play for better games, better software, better services and better experiences.

Some of us have the patience to wait through the rip-off launch days, especially considering there are lots of good ps3 and 360 games to be played yet.

Interestingly enough, the best games announced for both platforms will all be on PC too.

Sony 'won' this round, maybe...

I don't have both, but looking for a system that will 'go' for 5-6 years, I have to admit I'm more drawn to the XBox.
It has more features -for me- that are interesting. The big one is the TV integration, and the underlying OS(es) that will definitely merge some of W8 into the XBox in the coming future.

I'm not saying the Sony console isn't doing a lot of that, but for me -at this moment and if I had the money- I would go for the XBox.

Xbox One, more expensive is England, this must be a FIRST! I won't be buying XboxOne until atleast 9 months after release, way too expensive

also what incentive is there for 360 users to stay with xbox as old games wont be supported.

the only real reason to pick x1 over the ps4 is an exclusive game, which is getting more rare these days as devs produce games for both.

ps4 will win easily imo.

Congratulations,Sony! You won the race today with great ease.
Higher price and DRM restriction for X-Box ONE ensured the game in Sony's hands.
I didn't know Ballmer is the most enthusiastic supporter for PS4 in the world.

If you factor in the kinect. The price of the PS4 and Xbone seem about right, but correct me if I'm wrong, none of the Xbox games demoed really looked as though they were for kinect. Makes me wonder if Microsoft should have kept it as a separate accessory.

PS4 wins. I always owned a Xbox. though. I will still be getting Xbox One. MS gives you dashboard updates, and it has 3 OS in one, better ecosystem for me...

Why does the UK get ripped off?
£349 = $543.
$399 = £256

Microsoft's pricing is even is just as bad. The UK pays over 30% more for either console.

HardyRexion said,
Why does the UK get ripped off?
£349 = $543.
$399 = £256

Microsoft's pricing is even is just as bad. The UK pays over 30% more for either console.

Subtract 20% from the UK price for VAT. US prices are advertised without taxes because it varies. It's still more, but not by nearly as much. It provides a safe margin for fluctuating exchange rates and transportation costs.

UK pricing is very close to the EU pricing, which in turn isn't too far off the US pricing + tax. Same goes for the Xbox One. US prices are always before tax is applied, EU and UK pricing includes tax.

as someone who live outside of the US, in latin america where microsoft tv "advantages" its not available for me, i cant see how xone its better than ps4 or provide "more functions", anyways sony won, M$ need to do an EPIC ROLLBACK if they want to stay relevant even in the us after sony value and proposal

While I agree with you, I find myself disagreeing simply because you said M$.... Anyway.

MS does need to rethink their whole DRM if they want to stay in the game, gaming is about playing with friends, and if those friends start going to PSN then they'll get that(a lesson Sony has already learned), and it'll snowball, (first with player base, then publishers then more players and more publishers, etc) then it's game over. INSERT NEW DRM TO CONTINUE.

The simple fact 360 games don't work on the Xbox One make it easy for anyone to switch, they don't have the hold they think they do.

I like the price they are launching at and wished Microsoft would have launched at that price too. However it doesn't look like it includes the Playstation Eye so that's something to consider.

I know people make a big deal about not being able to get used games and what not but that's not really a big deal to me. I don't deal with used games at all so not being able to buy a used game means nothing to me.

I do think it helps Sony though to say you never have to connect the console online if you don't want to and you can play a single player game forever and ever which is huge IMO. However all the people who think Sony can't be forced to change any of this are delusional. At the end of the day if enough big name publishers didn't release games on Sony's console because they were losing money on used games sales, which is a huge problem for them, then Sony would be compelled to change their DRM policies to what the publishers wanted.

And as many people complaining about the always online of Xbox One, how many "true gamers" honestly play their system without it being connect online 24/7 anyway so I think that's really a nonissue. Microsoft does need to show why their system is worth it at $500 versus $400 for a PS4. If the only difference is Kinect then they REALLY need to show people why it's worth it this time.

macrosslover said,

And as many people complaining about the always online of Xbox One, how many "true gamers" honestly play their system without it being connect online 24/7 anyway so I think that's really a nonissue.

It may be a non-issue in the short term, you need to think long term and what you're actually buying when you purchase one of these games. Apparently you're purchasing nothing that has no long term value, do you think in 20-30 years a new generation of gamers will be excited that they found an xbox 1 and a box of old games in grandmas attic? probably not, because they cant play them.

I think the HDMI pass-through support for TV, the new Kinect 2, Skype, and countless other software add-ons, not to mention the fact that the Xbox One had Hyper-V at it's core offering unlimited possibilities, the power of Azure / Xbox's 300,000 server strong cloud offering is WELL worth the extra 100$. And the fact that Sony can't write software, let alone an operating system speaks for itself. I have a 360 that I use almost every day for living room entertainment and a PS3 that's collecting dust. The choice is easy.

And about the DRM, well Microsoft just made a whole bunch of new friends, yup the game studios will all flock to the Xbox One.

exactly. Plus I suspect that Sony only announced the price of their basic model which is smart strategy but deceptive to the true value. That's like Nintendo saying the Wii is only $300 when we all know the $300 version is an utter POS compared to the more expensive version.

If the Playstation for at $400 only had one controller and a 100gig hard drive, where all disc games are required to be installed then is that really a valued?

NocturnalAlloy said,
I have a 360 that I use almost every day for living room entertainment and a PS3 that's collecting dust. The choice is easy.

And about the DRM, well Microsoft just made a whole bunch of new friends, yup the game studios will all flock to the Xbox One.

I use my 360 daily also, I haven't even used my PS3 in over a year, and that wasn't even playing, but this whole DRM thing with the new Xbox has me very seriously considering changing to PS4, since none of my 360 games will work on it anyway and my 360 isn't going anywhere, the PS4 would be the better option for actual gaming.

And I stopped using my 360 for video entertainment a year or so ago, it's really just not that good at it, I got myself an AIOS media player, while it has lots of flaws it will do a lot more than a 360.

And MS can make as much -corporate friends- as they like, but like any business they're out to make money and piracy on the PS or Xbox does not affect that in any meaningful way, losing a player base would.

NocturnalAlloy said,
Sony can't write software, let alone an operating system speaks for itself.

Gran Turismo, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, MLB: The Show, Uncharted etc...and those are just from Sony Computer Entertainment...then you have all of the studios they have acquired and that are now first party...yeah Sony is just horrible at software...Microsoft has......no games in house on console, everything has been done by acquired studios or via exclusivity deals

Disc Based games, probably means EA or another company will porbably force u to install to harddrive MEANING, disc is not read meaning online

Or maybe it just means a game you brought on disc, not digitally though the PSN store (ie, just like it is right now on the PS3)

Raa said,
Can I have your bank account?

I know they seem pricey, but it's not like you're going to only have either for 1-2 years. $400-$500 now and you're good for 7+ years since these systems are going to stay on the market as long as the 360 and PS3 have for sure.

People spend that much on top of the line gfx cards for their PC gaming, I myself have a HD 7870 2GB that I plan to stick with until it either breaks or the games can't run on it at all, so we're talking ~5 years for sure.

Why doesn't anyone think about them like this? I thought that was the whole point behind getting a console, you pay a bit upfront but you know you'll be able to play games on it for a good 5 years for sure.

What about it?
- You can't share games purchased digitally (duh?)
- You require a PSN account and PS+ account to play online, which means no more free multiplayer (but hopefully better service)

I am pretty sure you will not be able to do this with a lot of the games, Publishes will put there own DRM into there games which will stop you from doing this. Do you really think major Dev's will want you sharing all their games with friends and families and they don't get any money other than the original purchase. Good in theory Sony but wont happen to often.

virtorio said,
What about it?
- You can't share games purchased digitally (duh?)
- You require a PSN account and PS+ account to play online, which means no more free multiplayer (but hopefully better service)

Why is it such a "Duh" when MS allows you to share digital games?

korupt_one said,
I am pretty sure you will not be able to do this with a lot of the games, Publishes will put there own DRM into there games which will stop you from doing this. Do you really think major Dev's will want you sharing all their games with friends and families and they don't get any money other than the original purchase. Good in theory Sony but wont happen to often.

If publishers wanted to put DRM in their games they can do it now. I don't see that changing. Why not put DRM in their current gen games but then put it in for PS4 games? Doesn't make sense.

siah1214 said,

Why is it such a "Duh" when MS allows you to share digital games?
You can share games with 10 "family members", and there are plenty of grey areas around what that means, and how it works.

virtorio said,
You can share games with 10 "family members", and there are plenty of grey areas around what that means, and how it works.

What gray areas exactly? The only thing that's not clear is if it's limited to 1 person other than you at a time playing your library or if it's one person per game at a time that's in your library. The rest is clear cut, you pick 10 people max as "family", and they can play the games in you own from their own systems or any Xbox One they log in to with their own accounts that link back to yours.

So while Sony says, no DRM for Disc based games, which is nice, you do lose a bit of the sharing ability the Xbox One has. I know lots of people who would rather not share out their game disc in fear of it getting trashed/lost and so on.

virtorio said,
In NZ
PS4 - $649
XBOne - $749

I'll probably get mine shipped in to NZ from Canada, or pick it up and bring it back.
Not sure which one yet, I would rather stay with Xbox, but I can't support their DRM(online checkin, selling/trade policies), and I don't even resell my games, I just can't support it, even if it doesn't affect me. I have some soul searching to do........

Unlikely, they wont ship most video games from US to Canada either, despite being the same region, hell they wont even ship some to APOs or Hawaii, it's unlikely they'll ship a NA regioned PS4 or Xbox outside of that region.

Just some food for thought and this goes for either console. Just because the PS4 today will not require "phone home" every n hours/days or you can sell you give/sell your games doesn't mean in a future firmware update that would change it all. Remember when the PS3 allowed other O/S to be installed... Bait-and-switch comes to mind.

But hey good for you Sony throwing the gauntlet down and make MS reconsider pricing/features. Let the battle begin

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. They will say that now but they will change their terms. I don't trust Sony one bit.

And the exact same goes for the Xbox One. You can't predict what's going to happen in the future.

However, while Sony seems to have worked hard to continuously improve their openness and fairness the last years, Microsoft is moving to a much more closed ecosystem. I think I'll stick with Sony.

Microsoft just screwed the Xbox One up badly! The online play for the PS4 is less than $5 a month which is extremely reasonable and wouldn't push me away for buying the PS4!

Edited by Atomic Wanderer Chicken, Jun 11 2013, 3:57am :

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft just screwed the Xbox One up badly! The online play for the PS4 is less than $5 a month which is extremely reasonable!

It's sad, really. I thought the Xbox would be the best console this year.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft just screwed the Xbox One up badly! The online play for the PS4 is less than $5 a month which is extremely reasonable and wouldn't push me away for buying the PS4!

That's the same as xbox live. Though I have seen xbox live gold on sale quite regularly for far less.

But Sony has now put multiplayer behind a paywall, just like MS. Not to mention the fact that XBL Gold is 5 a month. I think both services are reasonable at that price.

Regardless, Sony had a great showing when it came to games and using or against MS very effectively. I am sold on a ps4. The problem is I'm also wanting an X1 thanks to its exclusives and some features unique to it. I doubt I can afford both at launch, so I have a lot of thinking to do.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft just screwed the Xbox One up badly! The online play for the PS4 is less than $5 a month which is extremely reasonable and wouldn't push me away for buying the PS4!

You can get Gold on Amazon for $47-$49 for a year that comes to ~$4 a month. Like others have said, Sony does not do the DRM, it's going to be the publishers. It seems like Microsoft has set guidelines for publishers to follow. The games on the One look far better than the PS4, look at Assasians Creed 4, the framerate was horrible as was Watchdogs. Just because you have better hardware on paper (PS3) does not mean you will have better looking games this is showing for Next-Gen as well. Microsoft also has better exclusives coming and some from a certain developer that created Resistance and Ratchet and Clank I will be getting the Xbox One at launch and eventually a PS4 as I have both now. It will be interesting to see what if anything Microsoft does to counter the PS4 pricing/policies.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft just screwed the Xbox One up badly! The online play for the PS4 is less than $5 a month which is extremely reasonable and wouldn't push me away for buying the PS4!

are you incapable of basic math? 5 x 12 = $60 = PlayStation Plus = $60 = Xbox Gold
go back to school and get a decent education.

No one is talking crud, you may have sony off your back, but your missing a piece of the puzzle, publishers.

Because sony has no guideline for used gaming, like microsoft, the publishers now officially have to right to screw you in their own way, FOR EXAMPLE

He said disc based games can be played offline, so EA could really potetially force the PS4 to install its game, and wont let you play offline. Then you may have another situation where lending a specific game that a publisher, again lets use EA cause its easy, remember Origin is on BF4 and Ea games, thats tied to your account, so basically, you have DRM from third party though

So basically with the PS4 we will be in exactly the same situation as we are with the current gen consoles, under the draconian claw of publishers... no wait, we are happily trading used games.

This reminds me of last weeks red wedding scene on Game of Thrones.

Hey Microsoft. Sony sends their regards

I'm sorry, but if you really think the XBox One is better with the $499 price tag, DRM, online every 24 hours, than you are living in denial. PS fanboy or XBOX fanboy, you can't deny PS4 is the winner.

Looks like the XBOX fanboys are in this thread trying to defend their precious XBox One.

kaotic said,
The games at launch for xbox are better, imo.

They LOOK better. But that doesn't mean they are better. We won't know until we can actually play them.

I rather use the One as a multi media device rather than the PS4. If its as good as it looks I might just buy it for that purpose.. My smart tv isn't looking so smart. Many will buy the Xbox because it is an All in One device and is better at other things.

oh im afraid we know.

archer75 said,

They LOOK better. But that doesn't mean they are better. We won't know until we can actually play them.

ps4 is great, because 1.no exclusives, 2. lags like hell, 3. only does gaming. for $100 less? sweet. you know what else is even cheaper and setting the world on fire? Wii U....*chuckle*

vcfan said,
ps4 is great, because 1.no exclusives, 2. lags like hell, 3. only does gaming. for $100 less? sweet. you know what else is even cheaper and setting the world on fire? Wii U....*chuckle*

Your tears taste like sweet nectar.

No, that is highly incorrect, Xbox has the bandwidth and servers to support it, Sony has no experience at cloud computing and their streaming lags big time.

NocturnalAlloy said,
No, that is highly incorrect, Xbox has the bandwidth and servers to support it, Sony has no experience at cloud computing and their streaming lags big time.

Streaming services are provided by the companies themselves and are not hosted by microsoft. The only content microsoft hosts themselves is their own movie/music system. But netflix content comes from netflix, crackle from crackle, etc.

archer75 said,

Streaming services are provided by the companies themselves and are not hosted by microsoft. The only content microsoft hosts themselves is their own movie/music system. But netflix content comes from netflix, crackle from crackle, etc.


Correct, i think he msant xbox live service for multiplayer gaming

NocturnalAlloy said,
No, that is highly incorrect, Xbox has the bandwidth and servers to support it, Sony has no experience at cloud computing and their streaming lags big time.

"Experience at cloud computing" LMAO. "Cloud computing" is just the magical new marketing word for whats been around for decades in the way of hosted data. Damn you gullible or just mad/denial.

vcfan said,
ps4 is great, because 1.no exclusives, 2. lags like hell, 3. only does gaming. for $100 less? sweet. you know what else is even cheaper and setting the world on fire? Wii U....*chuckle*

Hey look, a time traveller.

notchinese said,
$100 difference will mean nothing in the long run, PS fanboys out in full force tonight.

Can you really be a playstation fanboy if you've never owned a playstation? I own an xbox and a 360 both. But if i'm being honest sony has clearly won this round.

notchinese said,
$100 difference will mean nothing in the long run, PS fanboys out in full force tonight.

That's only true if Microsoft doesn't respond. It very much mattered in the current console war. Bundling Kinect and the DRM implementations are crippling blows at this point.

I just don't understand how Microsoft thought people would be willing to pay a higher price for things they don't want.

basically if a you want is gaming get a ps4. I'm sure there's bound to be some good games. If you wants gaming and/or anything else the xbox one. to me ps4 is a ps3 with better graphics which aint a bad thing. But I would love to get rid of all the crap under my tv and just have a xbox and not flip between 4 different inputs. Also means I will get my 500 bucks out of it and it wont end up collecting dust for a few months waiting for a good game to come out.

notchinese said,
$100 difference will mean nothing in the long run, PS fanboys out in full force tonight.

Means plenty to some parent trying to buy a present for billy that wants to play the new Call of Daycare. and there won't need to be an internet hookup in the living room (and not everyone's got WiFi). last but not least no parent wants a camera spying on their kid.

omgben said,
And Microsoft fanboys out in full force tonight to defend their life choices and insecurities...

and a few sad nerds in Master Chief costumes crying themselves to sleep tonight

Anthony Tosie said,

That's only true if Microsoft doesn't respond. It very much mattered in the current console war. Bundling Kinect and the DRM implementations are crippling blows at this point.

I just don't understand how Microsoft thought people would be willing to pay a higher price for things they don't want.

I suspect the NSA is paying them to force mandatory kinect 2.

Is it just me or was the graphic quality of non-pre-rendered PS4 games just awful ?, the Xbox One gameplay looked much better graphics wise. Pre-rendered stuff will look good on any console. I guess you pay for what you get, my money is on Xbox One. Like most adults that can afford this, I use my console for mostly entertainment and Sony is far behind Microsoft in that domain.

NocturnalAlloy said,
Is it just me or was the graphic quality of non-pre-rendered PS4 games just awful ?, the Xbox One gameplay looked much better graphics wise. Pre-rendered stuff will look good on any console. I guess you pay for what you get, my money is on Xbox One. Like most adults that can afford this, I use my console for mostly entertainment and Sony is far behind Microsoft in that domain.

There is still several months until consoles are in shops, plenty of time to improve games! PS4 has 50% faster gpu so they will have better looking games. Possibly not in the short term but definitely in the long term.

Idk where you get this 50% number. Im not arguing that the PS4 has slightly better specs, but people are forgetting why the 360 kept of with the PS3's specs, DirectX. Theres a lot more to game performance that just numbers.

In the long term there is no doubt the Xbox will win, its far more suited for the clouded future.

S3P€hR said,

Really? I don't know why playstation remind me of linux. Share everything for free. Then tell me how the hell the game maker is supposed to make money? Or you like games to be made in poor quality because you can share it?

It's no different than right now with the 360 and PS3 and game developers are making money. How is this supposed to be any different with the ps4?

archer75 said,

It's no different than right now with the 360 and PS3 and game developers are making money. How is this supposed to be any different with the ps4?


Which is why all good game companies gone bankrupt. Specially smaller and more vulnerable ones. Just big corporations like EA survived.
Don't get me wrong i like to play free just like everybody else but i know its going to hurt small gaming companies. Do the math yourself.

Edited by trojan_market, Jun 11 2013, 6:58am :

S3P€hR said,

Which is why all good game companies gone bankrupt. Specially smaller and more vulnerable ones. Just big corporations like EA survived.
Don't get me wrong i like to play free just like everybody else but i know its going to hurt small gaming companies. Do the math yourself.

There are several reason why game companies have gone bankrupt - Piracy (which won't be possible for quite some time on ps4/xbone and financial crisis. I doubt either console will be cracked within 18 months. There isn't much incentive to crack the ps4 other than pirated games, there is for the xbone due to the horrible drm and mandatory kinect.

Sony closed the lid on the Xbox One when it announced support for used games and then hammered in the nail with the price.

Sraf said,
MS done goofed

I wonder if they will try to ungoof themselves?

Agreed. If I were them I would be working on an announcement to fix the situation they're in... It's not a good one.

PS4 is clearly the winner, if you fail to see this then you decided a long time ago who you wanted to win and are ignoring everything else.

No. If all you want is a game console then maybe that is true, but I don't want just a game console, majority of my gaming is on PC. Xbox One is much better for my needs.

PS4 has lots of streaming services just like the xbox has. You get some extras and if you don't want to use them you don't have to. What's wrong with that?

The_Decryptor said,

Contrary to internet rumours, I believe the Xbox does indeed play games.

Yeah, I just might have heard something about that somewhere... LOL

Got to understand that ps4 does not comes with PSeye which will equal out with Xbox one with Kinect 2. So you just look stupid now.

ACTIONpack said,
Got to understand that ps4 does not comes with PSeye which will equal out with Xbox one with Kinect 2. So you just look stupid now.

How do you know it doesn't come with it? That wasn't stated. Even if it doesn't ship with it and the cost equals out to the xbox one you don't necessarily have to buy the eye if the games you play don't use it. Potentially saving you money.

If you don't want to play Motion controlled games, why should you be forced to pay for it being included with the cost of the console?

korupt_one said,
the Kinect sensor does a lot more than just allow you to play motion controlled games.

I know it does voice but i've never understood why I have to yell across my room at the kinect when I could just use the damn headset the xbox comes with?! The kinect can't understand most of what I say anyways. I'd rather just use the controller to get to what I want.

korupt_one said,
the Kinect sensor does a lot more than just allow you to play motion controlled games.
Yes, but a lot of what it does is still not worthwhile to many. All they had to do was make it optional.

korupt_one said,
the Kinect sensor does a lot more than just allow you to play motion controlled games.

Okay, so I pay $100 more to be spyed on. Fair call I guess...

/s

archer75 said,

I know it does voice but i've never understood why I have to yell across my room at the kinect when I could just use the damn headset the xbox comes with?! The kinect can't understand most of what I say anyways. I'd rather just use the controller to get to what I want.

No, you don't get it: with kinect you can now voice control your neighbors consoles too.
Heck, if you use an amplifier you could even control every console in the whole town.

Isn't that fun now?

Raa said,

Okay, so I pay $100 more to be spyed on. Fair call I guess...

/s

Knowing the facts would make you look less uninformed...

How much for PSeye? You sony fans are forgetting that the XB1 comes with Kinect, which is currently (Standalone) an $150 piece of hardware.
So no, not cheaper, just looks it to the fanboys.

Than Microsoft should have given users the option to buy XB1 without Kinect and charge $399. They failed IMO and this is coming from a XBOX 360 user. PS4 stole the show.

yup all these sony fans seem to forget the extras you have to buy on top of the base price to bring it up to the same level as xbox in price. the xbox is cheaper.
Did the mention the price of the cloud gaming that is coming in 2014??
MS certainly hasn't been owned. The xbox one is in a completely different catergory to the PS4 now.

siah1214 said,
How much for PSeye? You sony fans are forgetting that the XB1 comes with Kinect, which is currently (Standalone) an $150 piece of hardware.
So no, not cheaper, just looks it to the fanboys.

The Kinect? That thing that collected dust before I traded it in? Yeah, totes worth the extra $100.

siah1214 said,
How much for PSeye? You sony fans are forgetting that the XB1 comes with Kinect, which is currently (Standalone) an $150 piece of hardware.
So no, not cheaper, just looks it to the fanboys.

You're forgetting that most people have a kinect gathering dust right now, they're not going to want another one (I know i don't)

ChopSuey said,
Than Microsoft should have given users the option to buy XB1 without Kinect and charge $399. They failed IMO and this is coming from a XBOX 360 user. PS4 stole the show.

Did u watch the PS4 show?? It was attrocious and yes I agree I for one don't want a friggin Kinect sensor all the time and would rather save $100 I don't know WTF Microsoft were thinking.

siah1214 said,
How much for PSeye? You sony fans are forgetting that the XB1 comes with Kinect, which is currently (Standalone) an $150 piece of hardware.
So no, not cheaper, just looks it to the fanboys.

siah1214 said,
How much for PSeye? You sony fans are forgetting that the XB1 comes with Kinect, which is currently (Standalone) an $150 piece of hardware.
So no, not cheaper, just looks it to the fanboys.


Well the way I see it because Kinect is bundled you will see a huge amount of games make use of it. The pseye on the other hand being an extra will not see near the amount of support cause no one will buy it. imho

Houtei said,
Well the way I see it because Kinect is bundled you will see a huge amount of games make use of it. The pseye on the other hand being an extra will not see near the amount of support cause no one will buy it. imho

which is EXACTLY why Microsoft requires it - if devs know for a fact there's a Kinect, they can start building it into their games, which would pretty much negate the whole "it's just for kids, not real gamers!" argument and give it that usefulness

Houtei said,
Well the way I see it because Kinect is bundled you will see a huge amount of games make use of it. The pseye on the other hand being an extra will not see near the amount of support cause no one will buy it. imho

For me that's a point for games on the PS, though. I play games laying on the couch, not dancing and waving my arms around, so if games focus on being played with the game pad then all the better.

ChopSuey said,
Than Microsoft should have given users the option to buy XB1 without Kinect and charge $399. They failed IMO and this is coming from a XBOX 360 user. PS4 stole the show.

Agreed. And parents won't get that AT ALL this holiday season. Their kid is going to want a console and the PS4 will be $ 100 cheaper and as far as they're concerned it will be the "same thing"...

This is not a position Microsoft wants to be in.

siah1214 said,
How much for PSeye?

The new eye for the PS4 is $59, so even including that the PS4 is cheaper than the XB One

Rudy said,
You're forgetting that most people have a kinect gathering dust right now, they're not going to want another one (I know i don't)

If you don't use it to control your xbox while watching TV, movies, or browsing... you're doing it wrong.

Athernar said,
RIP Microsoft.

Apparently the 10 other businesses of Microsoft that make over a billion dollars annually have suddenly dried up. These being Windows, Office, SQL Server, System Center, Unified Communications, SharePoint, Developer Tools, Dynamics (ERP & CRM), and Online display and search advertising. None of which are going anywhere anytime soon.

S3P€hR said,

Whatever dude. You can say whatever you want.

Thanks for that captain obvious.

BannanaNinja said,

Apparently the 10 other businesses of Microsoft that make over a billion dollars annually have suddenly dried up. These being Windows, Office, SQL Server, System Center, Unified Communications, SharePoint, Developer Tools, Dynamics (ERP & CRM), and Online display and search advertising. None of which are going anywhere anytime soon.

You're trying too hard. Calm down.

S3P€hR said,

I think xbox is way cooler device. Just compare gamepads. Plus xbox comes with kinect.

Because third party controllers don't exist.

Yeah... Killer Instinct was going to be a system seller for me but for cheaper online and cheaper console I don't think I can ignore PS4.

Jaybonaut said,
Yeah... Killer Instinct was going to be a system seller for me but for cheaper online and cheaper console I don't think I can ignore PS4.

You said cheaper online? Ps plus is $60 a year. How is that cheaper? With Xbox live you canget many deals online $35 for the year.
It's weird how easily people fall for illusionary prices.

ctrl_alt_delete said,

You said cheaper online? Ps plus is $60 a year. How is that cheaper? With Xbox live you canget many deals online $35 for the year.
It's weird how easily people fall for illusionary prices.

PS+ is $49.99 on Amazon right now. PS4 is $100 cheaper than XBONE. Money saved pays for 2 years of PSN+, and no mandatory camera spying on you that cant be unplugged.

Its weird how easily people want to bend over and get XBONED.

MVD said,

PS+ is $49.99 on Amazon right now. PS4 is $100 cheaper than XBONE. Money saved pays for 2 years of PSN+, and no mandatory camera spying on you that cant be unplugged.

Its weird how easily people want to bend over and get XBONED.

I don't know about discounts from third parties, but PSN+ is €49.99 straight from Sony.

MVD said,

PS+ is $49.99 on Amazon right now. PS4 is $100 cheaper than XBONE. Money saved pays for 2 years of PSN+, and no mandatory camera spying on you that cant be unplugged.

Its weird how easily people want to bend over and get XBONED.

And Sony said that for the PS4 it is about $ 5 per month. Which adds up to what??

Wait for it... $ 60...

As for Kinect, it can be turned off, does not spy on you if it isn't, and this has all be confirmed through Microsoft.

And as for the $ 100 additional cost, you get a lot more in the box than you do with the PS4.

M_Lyons10 said,

And Sony said that for the PS4 it is about $ 5 per month. Which adds up to what??

Wait for it... $ 60...

As for Kinect, it can be turned off, does not spy on you if it isn't, and this has all be confirmed through Microsoft.

And as for the $ 100 additional cost, you get a lot more in the box than you do with the PS4.

PS+ is $49.99/year. You don't get "alot" more in the box. You get a kinect. Which only matters if you want a kinect. They both ship with one controller and a headset. The PS eye will retail for $59. Only buy it if you need it.

Quick FYI but preorders are currently live for both consoles right now.

As an aside to tytytucke, who cares how others choose to spend their money? If I could afford both right off the bat, I probably would do that as well.

I don't care how he lives his life, what he eats, or what he says. I'm just saying I would not by proud to say I spent hundreds of dollars on video games just so I could sit and play video games all day. If I had that money to toss around I would put it to a better use. Thanks for asking Boxster17. You have a good day now.

Im pretty sure the majority of people around the world would look at your life and think it's pathetic, others would envy you, that's the way the world works....Sorry to break it to you tytytucke. I spent £1200 on this gaming computer to play League of Legends and listen to music...a waste to most, but i had the money and wanted the best. Simple as that.

People live their lives differently... Some live their lives happier than others. Many convince themselves that they are content with their actions and other people are just unhappy. If you don't know what your missing, you can't want it. So go explore and take a chance. There's a world of things to see and do. Don't regret the chances you didn't take, make an adventure out of the one's you do take. If you want more out of life. Change things up and go live it up. The only person stopping you is yourself.

If you have no desire for a happy life, they make a pill for that.

They can't afford to drop their price. And as for DRM, they already made arrangements with publishers, so they can't take that off the table either. Microsoft is in trouble.

I am sure they will offer some kind of bundled deal with xbox live or more. I still think MS has something to add to all of this with windows 8.1 coming. I think if the PS4 could do what the xbox one can do it would not be lower in price, I wonder if the sony eye is bundled with this $399 or if it costs x amount of dollars more. Or I wonder if it can accept a Skype call while your playing a game, or if it can let you see those nfl, nba,nhl or whatever sport highlights while your playing a game. You are really paying what you get out of the system, im not bashing the ps4 but hey it does a lot less for that $100 difference.

and im sure not all games on ps4 will be drm free. with the setup that sony has put in place kind I can see a lot of the top title games having drm directly from the dev which would pretty much make it the same as the xbox one.

Microsoft defiantly can afford to drop the price.. Sony is the One that has been in trouble, if the PS4 doesn't take off they are screwed.

eilegz said,
they will its gonna be the biggest rollback ever that we see from M$

What's M Dollar? A local retailer in your area?

tytytucke said,
Microsoft defiantly can afford to drop the price.. Sony is the One that has been in trouble, if the PS4 doesn't take off they are screwed.

They collect royalty on every xbox one sold for blueray player.

Enron said,

What's M Dollar? A local retailer in your area?


A type of fee you pay when you purchase a Microsoft product.

korupt_one said,
I still think MS has something to add to all of this with windows 8.1 coming. I think if the PS4 could do what the xbox one can do it would not be lower in price, I wonder if the sony eye is bundled with this $399 or if it costs x amount of dollars more. Or I wonder if it can accept a Skype call while your playing a game, or if it can let you see those nfl, nba,nhl or whatever sport highlights while your playing a game. You are really paying what you get out of the system, im not bashing the ps4 but hey it does a lot less for that $100 difference.

Nobody wants all that stupid extra $hit and cameras spying on you - mostly people just want to play a game.

Raa said,

A type of fee you pay when you purchase a Microsoft product.
Yeah, but don't forget that the M Dollar is about one hundred time smaller than the Apple Tax. Thank goodness Apple doesn't make consoles!

In fact, ALL online (as in multiplayer) gaming will be behind the paywall (hello, DRM); therefore, in what way is this ANY different from Microsoft's DRM in practical terms?

PGHammer said,
In fact, ALL online (as in multiplayer) gaming will be behind the paywall (hello, DRM); therefore, in what way is this ANY different from Microsoft's DRM in practical terms?

In exactly the same way the Xbox360 is different from the XBoxOne. That is, DRM wise, if every friking way.

I mean, what does a subscription for online gaming have to do with DRM at all?

ChopSuey said,
They can't afford to drop their price. And as for DRM, they already made arrangements with publishers, so they can't take that off the table either. Microsoft is in trouble.

Agreed. And they really do need to do something...

is a good price for what it does. I still prefer the xbox one cause it can do so much more, has better games and better exclusives plus its all tied into my windows pc, tablet and phone. I would imagine MS will beat this price with an xbox gold subscription closer to release also.

korupt_one said,
is a good price for what it does. I still prefer the xbox one cause it can do so much more, has better games and better exclusives plus its all tied into my windows pc, tablet and phone. I would imagine MS will beat this price with an xbox gold subscription closer to release also.

They demo'd a game with a tablet tie in. Looks like the PS4 will be support tablet and phone integration like the xbox one does.

korupt_one said,
is a good price for what it does. I still prefer the xbox one cause it can do so much more, has better games and better exclusives plus its all tied into my windows pc, tablet and phone. I would imagine MS will beat this price with an xbox gold subscription closer to release also.

Don't forget that Gold Live Members will be able to do conference video calling with Skype.

Sony just won. No membership required to watch media content, no online requirement, no restrictions on used game sales. And $100 less than xbox.

In denail much? This is E3. And they've already revealed there will be no new DRM and have said that there is paid multiplayer.

Gojira77 said,
In denail much? This is E3. And they've already revealed there will be no new DRM and have said that there is paid multiplayer.

You've missed the joke. He's being sarcastic.

actually 40 dollars less if you include the "eye" costs 60 dollars as an add on.. which is pretty useless because no games for PS4 will actually support it..

and xbox comes with the HDMI in which the sony does not.. so its just an output device instead of a HTPC system

S3P€hR said,

I think your math is weak. Xbox comes with kinect. 399 + 100 =499

What if you don't want kinect? Then you are paying for something you don't want. For most people their kinects are collecting dust. And yes, I have one.

S3P€hR said,

Then buy a ps4. But ps4's controller looks really ugly.

Who cares what the controller looks like as long as it is functional and works well.

S3P€hR said,

I think your math is weak. Xbox comes with kinect. 399 + 100 =499

I think your math is weak. 399+59 != 499

S3P€hR said,

I think your math is weak. Xbox comes with kinect. 399 + 100 =499

Most gamers could care less about the Kinect, they care about what will give them the best experience of the games they want to play at the cheapest price.