The Zune is officially dead, sort of.

Microsoft is finally pulling the plug on all the rumors and speculation that the company is working on another media player. Zune fans should enjoy their Zune HD, as Business Insider reports that the company will not introduce any new versions to the market.

Microsoft's recent attempt to expand the Zune HD availability to countries like Canada was only an effort to help promote Windows Phone 7, rather than a hint at any further expansions for the platform. The Zune HD will be the end of the road for Microsoft in the media player market, but the Zune software will live on to support Windows Phone 7 devices.

Xbox 360, Windows Phone 7 and Zune HD users will still be able to use the Zune Pass and other various Zune software, but the company will not manufacture any new Zune hardware. Back in April, Microsoft released an updated version of the Zune, a 64GB model, along with firmware 4.5 for existing Zune HD devices.

Microsoft appears to be focusing all their mobile efforts on WP7 devices, rather than competing with Apple and other manufactures in the portable MP3 player market.

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So, when my 8GB Zune dies, what options do I have to replace it? This is what I need an MP3 player to do:

- Subscribe to podcasts
- Sync them wirelessly
- Automatically mark and remove podcasts I've listened to

Phones aren't an option (don't have one, and I'm not going to buy one for the sake of playing podcasts), and Apple products are out (for reasons I won't go into).

It used to be that an MP3 player that let me drag and drop files in an Explorer window was all I needed (I've had my share of $20 players), but then I've really gotten used to having the podcasts I've listened to tracked and managed automatically.

The less software installed on my computer, the better.

(8GB is about 4 times the amount of space I've ever needed at once. I don't have any music on it).

_dandy_ said,
So, when my 8GB Zune dies, what options do I have to replace it? This is what I need an MP3 player to do:

- Subscribe to podcasts
- Sync them wirelessly
- Automatically mark and remove podcasts I've listened to

Phones aren't an option (don't have one, and I'm not going to buy one for the sake of playing podcasts), and Apple products are out (for reasons I won't go into).

It used to be that an MP3 player that let me drag and drop files in an Explorer window was all I needed (I've had my share of $20 players), but then I've really gotten used to having the podcasts I've listened to tracked and managed automatically.

The less software installed on my computer, the better.

(8GB is about 4 times the amount of space I've ever needed at once. I don't have any music on it).

Well, with no phone and no Apple products, I'd say you're SOL. Stick with your PC if you refuse to get with the times.

I'm in the UK so I got my Zune 120 off eBay and I had an 30GB and 80GB Zune before them I love my Zune and will be using it for years to come.

Remember when Ballmer and Back, promised back in 2006 to beat Apple and the iPod :-)

Redmond will invest “hundreds of millions and “we can beat” Apple and the iPod.

What they need to do is open it so Rockbox can be used as i would rather have Rockbox on my 30GB Zune than it's current crap which locks down the device to much.

It would have been nice to have seen the iPod Touch have more competition it would have also been nice to be able to buy the zune in the UK. but at least Samsung is making an iPod touch competitor

Sent from my iPod touch

They should just rename the windows phone 7 OS to the Zune OS..

WHY THE HELL IS MICROSOFT SO BAD AT NAMING PRODUCTS? jeez!!

Zune is not dead... It is now called WP7.

When Microsoft released the ZuneHD, the fans screamed this is what we want, now could we have a version with a phone.

Microsoft responded with WP7, which is far more than just the ZuneHD with a phone.

Microsoft has done this for years with hardware, and it has made the consumer market better.

Microsoft starts by trying to get hardware partners to produce a product to fill the void in the hardware area. If the hardware partners don't see the vision or don't want to enter into this hardware area, Microsoft then engineers their own version of the hardware and often releases it under their name.

Once the hardware catches on, Microsoft hands off the technologies as hardware standards, and shuts down production of their hardware product. Microsoft is a software company and would rather produce software for the hardware or get some strong hardware standards to compliment Windows and the PC market.

The Zune and ZuneHD are just the most recent in a long list of this history and bringing more technologies to the consumer. Often after a few years, people forget that Microsoft was the one that started the hardware or the hardware specifications or engineered the hardware technologies that become a COMMON thing in the consumer and computing world.

These Microsoft hardware products and technologies that we all think are 'normal' and common in the industry did not exist before Microsoft.

Just off the top of my head, some of these hardware 'sparks' created by Microsoft...

• Microsoft Mouse - This is an exception that they still produce it, as they have loyal fans, and the technology has kept evolving with Microsoft introducing first their two button ball mouse, scrolling wheel, navigation back/forward buttons, media buttons, and tracking technologies like CCD, Laser, Bluetrack, etc. (1983?)

• Microsoft Keyboard - This again is an exception that it as they create new technologies, new models are released. Things Microsoft brought to Keyboards: Split Keyboard, Wireless, Expanded Media functionality, etc. (1995?)

• Microsoft Windows Sound System - Prior to the Windows Sound System, 16bit CD quality sound cards was uncommon in the PC world, with companies like Creative labs only producing dual 8bit cards for stereo. This moved the lower end devices to standardize on at least 16bit and offer other features like Wave based Midi and enough DSP power on the card to handle voice command recognition. Creative and Turtle Beach and others responded, and sound on the PC became standard and offering a standard level of quality (1992?)

• Microsoft Joysticks & Game Pads - Microsoft wanted force feedback technologies to be well done, and anyone that used one of the Microsoft Joysticks know it was spot on for reproducing anything from the feel of holding a chainsaw to the yoke of small aircraft. Microsoft also introduced Game Pads with force feedback and the first Game Pad that was Motion sensitive with an accelerometer, doing features that we take for granted in phones of today, in addition to some of the concepts the Wii uses for their controllers. (1994?)

• Microsoft XBox/360 - As Microsoft wanted the PC gaming to grow, they also wanted MFRs to produce a console based on the PC technologies. Sega tried, but diverted from Microsoft's vision, as their product did use WinCE as the base OS, but didn't go far enough in offering the GPU technologies Microsoft had been working on.

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From the XBox, Microsoft engineered/created technologies that exist everyone now:

• DirectX technologies that moved from 3D technologies introduced in the Win9X OSes - these have become such a force, that they tend to write the next generation of OpenGL features. (Microsoft left the OpenGL group when they did not want to implement hardware GPU features that focused on tasks then seen for only gaming. OpenGL changed their mind a few years after DirectX - which is sad, because OpenGL and DirectX could have been the same.)

• GPU Shader Technology - Microsoft engineered the main advances in PS and VS shader techology prior to the original XBox release. This was not only hardware, but even the Shader code that everyone uses was written by Microsoft. (NVidia ported the Microsoft DirectX programmable shader language to be used on OpenGL.)
-- Ironically, the shader code running on your Linux PC, Mac, iPhone, and Android is Microsoft technology.

• Unified Shader - Microsoft engineered and created the XBox 360 GPU based on a new unified shader model that reduces complexity and allows GPUs to be agnostic to PS and VS code so the same GPU can process graphics heavy in PS or VS code without portions of the GPU going unused.

-The Unified Shader technology is something Microsoft handed over to Intel, NVidia, and ATI and is used in virtually every modern GPU design. So again, modern Macs, or any card you are throwing in your Linux Machine is using Microsoft engineered hardware technology.

-Side Note: (Sadly Sony messed up by trying to get the PS3 in to production and chose the NVidia Geforce 7900 GPU, which is a pre-unified shader GPU technology and doesn't have some of the core abilities the XBox 360 GPU does, and will never be able to do some things graphically the XBox 360 can, especially with regard to processing of large and detailed textures. The PS3 with its Cell should stop the XBox 360, but because of the GPU, it is having to compensate so that that XBox 360 and PS3 end up being very close in performance, with GPU heavy games favoring the XBox 360. - Fun fact, the PSX(Geforce 7900) in the PS3 is directly using Microsoft engineered hardware technologies that go back to the original XBox GPU. So if you are one of the people that love PS3 and hate Microsoft/XBox, you need to probably give up the hatred of Microsoft, as the GPU in your PS3 is using Microsoft technology.

• WDDM - This technology still has yet to influence other OSes, yet is partially used in things like Compwiz. The WDDM technologies developed for the XBox 360, went back to some of the unused aspects of the AGP specifications (still alive in PCI/E), that allow transfers between VRAM and System RAM. This is why the XBox 360 can share memory between the System and GPU seamlessly, just as Vista and Win7 also do.

- The WDDM technologies also give the OS GPU scheduling - aka pre-emptive GPU multi-threading. This is why the XBox 360 can do DirectCompute and other GPU processing technologies that are seen in DX11.

- Vista and Win7 are revised models of the WDDM that exists in the XBox 360, with more PC centric features.

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This list could go on for several pages in just the stuff we are using and familiar with today that is used everywhere.

The Zune and ZuneHD also contributed in areas that were not seen as important, but are now very common in the media device and smartphone world.

• Higher end GPU performance and HD video processing capabilities.
• Scratch proof screen technology - everyone moved to at least scratch resistant if not trying to implment scratch proof like the Gorilla Glass on the ZuneHD offers.
• Wider support for audio and video formats expected.
• OMLED made viable, and at the time made the iTouch and iPhone look sad in comparison.


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Zune is not dead, it just has a new name, WP7...
Zune technology did what was needed in pushing the industry forward in areas being left out, especially the mobile GPU performance.

got the ZuneHD 32Gb and love it. I will be using it for a few more years. Not sure why many here talk about " 'was' a great device"... it still 'is'.

A disappointing move for consumers, but a good business decision. The Zune was a great product, way better than the iPod in my opinion, but they just couldn't win in the market. I'm disappointed, but I can understand.

Kotaku have this from MS
“We have nothing to announce about another Zune device - but most recently have introduced Zune HD to Canada via Zune Originals store and remain committed to supporting our devices in North America. We are thrilled by the consumer excitement for Zune across many new platforms, including Windows Phone 7 and Xbox 360. Our long-term strategy focuses on the strength of the entire Zune ecosystem across Microsoft platforms.”

This is disappointing. I have bought 3 generations of the Zune. Zune 80GB (1st Generation), Zune 120GB (2nd Generation) and the Zune HD 32GB (Third Generation). I guess I officially have no choice and go with a iPod Touch 64GB. It's weird, iOS sucks as a Smartphone OS but it's better than the Zune HD OS as a music player.

This is exactly why I have put the brakes on getting a Windows Phone 7. Microsoft has a history with scrapping projects instead of investing in them. From Windows Live Services (Windows Live Space) to Windows Mobile 6.5, and now Zune. Next will be Xbox 360. I just have a feeling that Microsoft is going to fall flat on it's face with Windows Phone 7. Already Android (Google) and the iPhone (Apple) have left Windows Phone 7 (Microsoft) choking in the dust. As far as the music players, I have not gotten a iPod touch or a Zune player because they have not created one that will hold the amount of data the Apple iPod classic will hold. I am a big music collector and the iPod Classic holds my collection. I may have to try to get another one soon before they stop selling them.

I hate how everyone keeps posting misleading titles.
They are not continuing the Zune DEVICES... not the Zune music/video/app service. Please change your headline.

As I stated before, I work in Marketing for MS, and there are no plans to kill off the Zune brand, only the devices (which have not been promoted for a long time now). You will still get the great Zune software, and players on PC, Windows Phone, and Xbox.

j2006 said,
I hate how everyone keeps posting misleading titles.
They are not continuing the Zune DEVICES... not the Zune music/video/app service. Please change your headline.

As I stated before, I work in Marketing for MS, and there are no plans to kill off the Zune brand, only the devices (which have not been promoted for a long time now). You will still get the great Zune software, and players on PC, Windows Phone, and Xbox.

Zune could succeed if you all would market the Zune devices and change the software to also accept the same apps as wp7... even though I wouldn't use apps on an mp3 player. (well I might, but it would be mostly for music).

and IMO, Zune is useless unless it has a mp3 player to work with it. I'm not going to sync music to my phone all the time. expecially since it's difficult to get sim cards to work with it.

j2006 said,
I hate how everyone keeps posting misleading titles.
They are not continuing the Zune DEVICES... not the Zune music/video/app service. Please change your headline.

As I stated before, I work in Marketing for MS, and there are no plans to kill off the Zune brand, only the devices (which have not been promoted for a long time now). You will still get the great Zune software, and players on PC, Windows Phone, and Xbox.

It's still a bad move, imo, for Microsoft to stop competing in the Mp3 market alongside Apple with their iPod/iPod Touch lineup. I remember my 80GB Zune and loved it, but the fear of investing in an ecosystem that might not be supported in the long run and one that would not offer as much as the competition caused me to sell it and opt into a system that has the foundation I, as a consumer, sought. Maybe Microsoft should just focus on business.

Well this completely bites...I love my Zune but I'm not terribly keen on continued use of the Zune software if there will be no dedicated player to follow the HD.

Why did they release such a fantastic piece of hardware and a classy alternative to iTunes and then give it jack for marketing.

I have a Zune HD. Loved it but I also now have a wp7 phone which has replaced my Zune as an mp3 player and it will probably stay that way. As long as they keep supporting zune software I'm all good.

This is pathetic. Microsoft throwing in the towel and calling it quits is stupid and shows them giving in to Apple's crap. IF they just MARKETED things better, the Zune HD would be slowly eating away at the iCrap market.

Zune HD was so damn amazing and I'm proud to have one. Microsoft, I'm pretty much done with you and I can't wait to switch over from Windows to ChromeOS... Don't care if I lose a lot of programs, I'll learn to deal. Just done with the crappy direction changes @ MS.

This is horrible, I love my Zune HD 64 Gig, and the Zune Platform is better than Apple's itunes monster. The problem is two fold, obviously a lack of consistant marketing by Microsoft but also the Zune hardware never had a chance against the ipod touch which had the advantage of Apples vastly superior retail store chain that absolutely blows the Best buys and Targets of the world away when it come to selling ipods and other Mac hardware.

This is sad considering that Microsoft is now beginning to roll out its own retail stores nationwide and this could have a gone a long way towards helping establish the current and next genration of Zune hardware.

I can't help but wonder if the Zune services will become some sort of subset of the Xbox devision, maybe even possibly a handheld Xbox device of some sort with Music/movie features.

Joe05 said,
This is horrible, I love my Zune HD 64 Gig, and the Zune Platform is better than Apple's itunes monster. The problem is two fold, obviously a lack of consistant marketing by Microsoft but also the Zune hardware never had a chance against the ipod touch which had the advantage of Apples vastly superior retail store chain that absolutely blows the Best buys and Targets of the world away when it come to selling ipods and other Mac hardware.

This is sad considering that Microsoft is now beginning to roll out its own retail stores nationwide and this could have a gone a long way towards helping establish the current and next genration of Zune hardware.

I can't help but wonder if the Zune services will become some sort of subset of the Xbox devision, maybe even possibly a handheld Xbox device of some sort with Music/movie features.

You got it right. Ballmer is doing his damdest to keep Microsoft as purely a software company as he possibly can and any piece of hardware that isn't performing they cancel. But the reason why they canceled the Zune device line is because cellphones will take their place. I don't like this but I understand it. I just wish they would have waited a little longer because cellphones are not there yet as do-it-all devices.

So the Zune Marketplace will live on im very certain of that. Microsoft is just throwing the work of producing devices to its partners.

Well at least they are keeping the zune pass around, I would be ****ed if my library went away. But I hate that I can't get a 64GB version now. I don't like MS dumping this, I think their is room for MP3 players outside of the ipod. After all phone batteries are still not strong enough to do both and I like having a large amount of music with me so i can listen to whatever when I want instead of having to pick and chose.

I don't get it. Microsoft's new policy for their product promotions department should be that new hires are terminated immediately. They couldn't sell water in the desert.

I see this as good and bad. It makes me wonder if this all is all due to Windows Phone 7 or just the fact that the Zune did not do as well as they had hoped in the market. The Zune HD was probably my favorite designed mp3 player on the market. I wish they would keep they Zune HD base and integrate Windows Phone into it.

I still think these rumors are a lie. The last MS insider I talked to, claimed that recent rumors of the Zune hardware dying were false. The Zune team does a 2-year major release cycle, (Original Zune - 2005, 2nd gen Zunes - 2007, Zune HD - 2009, Zune HD v2 - 2011) and software on a 1-year major release cycle.

I'm not fully convinced either, and you can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm sure Microsoft knows well that the Zune hardware has generally been solid and well-loved by users, but has of course realized their marketing on Zunes have been meh. I think they were still on track of hoping that word-of-mouth advertizing and positive posts by major tech sites (friend bought one before I met him based on positive reactions by those on Engadget and loves it) but obviously that isn't enough.

Really hope these rumors are wrong come of fall. Something another friend of mine that knows several other MS insiders, just told me a few minutes ago is that Microsoft is in planning stages of licensing out the Zune software for OEMs, though I guess based on a 2-year cycle, won't come out til 2013.

Quikboy said,
I still think these rumors are a lie. The last MS insider I talked to, claimed that recent rumors of the Zune hardware dying were false. The Zune team does a 2-year major release cycle, (Original Zune - 2005, 2nd gen Zunes - 2007, Zune HD - 2009, Zune HD v2 - 2011) and software on a 1-year major release cycle.

I'm not fully convinced either, and you can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm sure Microsoft knows well that the Zune hardware has generally been solid and well-loved by users, but has of course realized their marketing on Zunes have been meh. I think they were still on track of hoping that word-of-mouth advertizing and positive posts by major tech sites (friend bought one before I met him based on positive reactions by those on Engadget and loves it) but obviously that isn't enough.

Really hope these rumors are wrong come of fall. Something another friend of mine that knows several other MS insiders, just told me a few minutes ago is that Microsoft is in planning stages of licensing out the Zune software for OEMs, though I guess based on a 2-year cycle, won't come out til 2013.

Licensing out the software to other OEMs is probably the best thing in the end, let them tie back into the Zune marketplace and you have a growing device base basically overnight with little cost to you. We'll just have to wait and see what they do.

Quikboy said,
The Zune team does a 2-year major release cycle, (Original Zune - 2005, 2nd gen Zunes - 2007, Zune HD - 2009, Zune HD v2 - 2011) and software on a 1-year major release cycle.

And that is one of the major reasons they are always at least a year behind iPods on features.

Received my first Zune (30GB Gen1) for Christmas when it was first released and used it on a daily basis until I received the 32GB Zune HD for Christmas a few months ago. Sad that I won't be replacing my Zune HD with a new Zune in a few years...

I just love how everyone is quick to point out that Microsoft failed at the media player market.

So what? At least Microsoft gave it a shot. The Zune might not have gained any traction in terms of marketshare, but their devices (in my mind) had a better interface then the iPods of the time.

But here we are now with the Zune HD, and the iPod Touch, they just don't compare.. They are two completely different ideas.

Sevan said,
I just love how everyone is quick to point out that Microsoft failed at the media player market.

So what? At least Microsoft gave it a shot. The Zune might not have gained any traction in terms of marketshare, but their devices (in my mind) had a better interface then the iPods of the time.

But here we are now with the Zune HD, and the iPod Touch, they just don't compare.. They are two completely different ideas.

Yeah Zune is such a huge failure that no other other media player comes close to being compared to the iPod. I'd say the Zune was pretty successful in that it garnered more attention a compared to its counterparts that get no mention at all.

Anybody think they will allow other manufacturers create Zune MP3 devices?? Update the Zune software (so apps work on the mp3 player and wp7) and then allow others like Nokia create a MP3 player?

Zunes are awesome IMO....

I haven't even seen a Zune in a physical store... It was doomed to begin with.

...Windows Tablet next, then Windows Phone.

I've bought 5 Zune devices, as well as a WP7. They are fantastic media players, and the client is infinitely better than itunes, IMO. It just ****es me off that Microsoft never got behind it in any meaningful way. They *let* it become a laughing stock, and just ****ed all over their best and most loyal customers. Sure I can do about 75% of the Zune functions on my phone, but it weighs twice as much, and gets a quarter of the batter life.
I'll do without before I pay a nickel to the Apple i-cult. Guess I'll have to buy up a couple more Zune devices to stash away for when my current one dies.

It seems to me they always wanted the service side to work out and didn't much care about the hardware which is why they never pushed it outside of NA.

There's the bit about them licensing the software to mp3 makers which would be the best thing in the end I think.

Well, I like my ZuneHD but no need with Windows Phone 7 in the market, it includes the Zune player and it works fine, it just needs some missing features from the ZuneHD and a few improvements

This is bull****. Not everyone wants to use their phone as an entertainment device. I have 6700 songs in my collection and guess what my brand new Dell Venue Pro can't hold them all so I have to continue to use my Zune 80.

Anywho, starting to get fed up with with Microsofts constant shifting directions. Still very dedicated to Zune but sick of the lack of dedication.

Probably for the better. If they would have released a new Zune HD with an integrated camera everyone would have been all "should have had that originally, but MS like to milk their fan base". Oh wait, that only applies to Apple's iterative products. Nevermind....

I hate to say it but I think I'll get an ipod touch. I do not want to may the monthly fees to my carrier for a data plan, so no smart phones for my wife and I. If I want the internet, I'll fire up my desktop or laptop.

You have GOT to be ****ting me. I don't want a bloody phone that does everything, I "need" a seperate Mp3 player - I want to plug it in to a dock tyvm - what Windows Phone can do that??? I want to have plenty of storage space, and a simple music/entertainment-only interface... I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO RUNNING with it - I don't want to do that with a phone... I want accessories to be able to do such things... and you don't get those accessories for a ducking PHONE.
Fine, so I'll get a creative Mp3 player, and it will be ****, because if you ever introduce the zune pass to Australia, I won't be able to use it.
Thanks a lot MS, thank you so much.

cleverclogs said,
You have GOT to be ****ting me. I don't want a bloody phone that does everything, I "need" a seperate Mp3 player - I want to plug it in to a dock tyvm - what Windows Phone can do that??? I want to have plenty of storage space, and a simple music/entertainment-only interface... I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO RUNNING with it - I don't want to do that with a phone... I want accessories to be able to do such things... and you don't get those accessories for a ducking PHONE.
Fine, so I'll get a creative Mp3 player, and it will be ****, because if you ever introduce the zune pass to Australia, I won't be able to use it.
Thanks a lot MS, thank you so much.

yeah well there's officially no good replacement for an iPod Touch anymore... hate it.

lol. News like this made my day. I wonder what might do the 'zune' guy with his stupid tattoo now. Probaly he is lucky and they keep the old logo.

TechDudeGeorge said,
Good, since I hate that waste of money known as my iPod Touch

What does that have to do with the news about the Zune?
o.O

I dont know what to say. I mean I guess it's good that they're letting current Zune users keep the Zune Pass and all that... but I'm honestly confused.

I've owned every generation of Zune and still love my Zune HD. I use it to listen to music in my car, to work out, and to play music at work. I would rather keep it this way, I don't want to have to plug my phone in every time I get in my car.

I'm kind of heart broken by this, it basically means that there will be no new things coming to Zune. I feel like giving in and getting an iPod Touch or an iPhone. I love the Zune Pass though. I dont know what to say.

As far as my cellphone, I have an Android phone and I was planning on sticking with it.

hotdog963al said,
I've *still* yet to see a Zune. Quite surprising that they didn't even bother selling them in the EU.

I live in Canada and I havn't seen a Zune MP3 yet since the very first one released....

How ever I still waiting on apple to get there ass in gear and update there "Classic" ...160GIG is NOT ENOUGH Space for a Stand-a-lone MP3 Player...and yes that all I use it for.. mp3 only!

*takes a peek at my Music folder*

92,547 File at 354GIG.... yep when that 500GIG Ipod coming out!!!

Not for a while it seems, just had a quick search and it looks like the largest 1.8" disk you can get is at 320GB. So they could ship a 320GB iPod Classic, I guess.

hotdog963al said,
Not for a while it seems, just had a quick search and it looks like the largest 1.8" disk you can get is at 320GB. So they could ship a 320GB iPod Classic, I guess.

I would honestly line up for a 320 but that still wouldn't hold it all...lol

MadDoggyca said,

I would honestly line up for a 320 but that still wouldn't hold it all...lol


I've never understood the mentality of people who insist that their portable media player needs to be able to hold every single media file that they own. Are you really going to listen to all 92,547 songs before you hook it back up to your computer to sync again?

MadDoggyca said,

I live in Canada and I havn't seen a Zune MP3 yet since the very first one released....

How ever I still waiting on apple to get there ass in gear and update there "Classic" ...160GIG is NOT ENOUGH Space for a Stand-a-lone MP3 Player...and yes that all I use it for.. mp3 only!

*takes a peek at my Music folder*

92,547 File at 354GIG.... yep when that 500GIG Ipod coming out!!!

Wow that's a lot.. i have less than 8gig and i can't think of other stuff to add. I guess my music taste are really limited tought..

roadwarrior said,

I've never understood the mentality of people who insist that their portable media player needs to be able to hold every single media file that they own. Are you really going to listen to all 92,547 songs before you hook it back up to your computer to sync again?

Well unlike most people I'm not a fair weather music listener. I only buy songs that I love and that includes everything from Classical, to Rap, Spiritual, 70s, 80s, jazz, Alternative, Pop and even Soundtracks. I listen to it all in shuffle mode so any song can come up at any time and that how I like it. As such, I want my entire 6,724 tracks with me where ever I am. Thats why!

NPGMBR said,

Well unlike most people I'm not a fair weather music listener. I only buy songs that I love and that includes everything from Classical, to Rap, Spiritual, 70s, 80s, jazz, Alternative, Pop and even Soundtracks. I listen to it all in shuffle mode so any song can come up at any time and that how I like it. As such, I want my entire 6,724 tracks with me where ever I am. Thats why!

well I have ever thing from the 60's to now.. *cough* buy?

roadwarrior said,

I've never understood the mentality of people who insist that their portable media player needs to be able to hold every single media file that they own. Are you really going to listen to all 92,547 songs before you hook it back up to your computer to sync again?

mainly for backup and restore reasons.....

MadDoggyca said,

I would honestly line up for a 320 but that still wouldn't hold it all...lol


1) Not everyone steals so much music
2) Realistically how much of that do you actually listen to regularly, there is no way you listen to every single track in a short space of time, ill wager a guess and its in single figure percentages

Just because you have thousands and thousands of tracks doesnt mean you have to carry them all with you.

The only reason why I recently purchased a standalone MP3 players (zune hd actually) was because I didn't want to be running or working out anymore with a bulkier device. The zune hd is lightweight and, above all, a fantastic device.

Thanks Microsoft for making a good alternative to the ipod touch.

So I have three nieces up and coming in age. We go shopping for MP3 players. Microsoft wants me to buy them each a WP7 device instead of an iPod? Right. Nice move, Microsoft. Just don't compete at all. That'll show us.

wow Microsoft, if your company actually pulled its finger out and let your regaional offices start pusing this it may have actually gotten somewhere, still un-released officially in AUS i had to import my one from the states.

GFG MS, another good example of how a company with a finger in every pie lets the good ones get cold...

brent3000 said,
wow Microsoft, if your company actually pulled its finger out and let your regaional offices start pusing this it may have actually gotten somewhere, still un-released officially in AUS i had to import my one from the states.

GFG MS, another good example of how a company with a finger in every pie lets the good ones get cold...

they didn't not release it because they didn't want to. it's licensing issues with the music store. besides that it did get somewhere, it grabbed a significant portion of the PMP market without being released anywhere but NA.

and as has been stated, it's pointless now, people don't use separate PMP's anymore. the phone does the job, and it does it just as good.

HawkMan said,

they didn't not release it because they didn't want to. it's licensing issues with the music store.


I dont see how the music store could limit the release of the device?
Just do what MS does and remove the sections which arnt available in the regions, zune is on the 360 to buy content.

Zunes marketplace does not make a good media device, i supplied all my own media and it worked the treat,

HawkMan said,

...
and as has been stated, it's pointless now, people don't use separate PMP's anymore. the phone does the job, and it does it just as good.

Just because you don't do something doesn't mean others don't...

I still use my Zune HD 16GB and I own a Dell Venue Pro 16GB. Until it can match my Zune HD in features (HD Radio, SmartDJ, etc) and give me about 1 week of battery life per charge I won't be changing...

I see a LOT of iPod touch users on the train ride home with iPhone 4s in their hand too so I'm not in the minority it seems.

Since cellphones added the option to listen to music, I've pretty much ditched standalone MP3 players. Why have a cellphone AND an MP3 player when I can have both together in one device? The only thing that comes to my mind is battery life. Anyway, WP7 FTW.

Koki.v3 said,
Since cellphones added the option to listen to music, I've pretty much ditched standalone MP3 players. Why have a cellphone AND an MP3 player when I can have both together in one device? The only thing that comes to my mind is battery life. Anyway, WP7 FTW.

I stick with my Zune simply because of battery life. Smartphones have weak enough battery lives as it is, using it as your primary media player just makes things worse, especially for heavy phone users. Using a smartphone as the primary media players just isn't an option yet :[

That, and the Zune software on WP7 is inferior to that on the Zune HD, and my Omnia 7 only gets 8GB of memory >.<

Anyway I hope this isn't true... there doesn't appear to be any proper source for the information other than "Bloomberg says so". Not even how Bloomberg know .__.

~Johnny said,

I stick with my Zune simply because of battery life. Smartphones have weak enough battery lives as it is, using it as your primary media player just makes things worse, especially for heavy phone users. Using a smartphone as the primary media players just isn't an option yet :[

That, and the Zune software on WP7 is inferior to that on the Zune HD, and my Omnia 7 only gets 8GB of memory >.<

Anyway I hope this isn't true... there doesn't appear to be any proper source for the information other than "Bloomberg says so". Not even how Bloomberg know .__.

I concur 100%. I use my Zune80 to listen to my music from the time I leave home at 720am to the time I return at 545p and my Venue Pro can't handle that not to mention the fact that my Venue Pro can't even carry all my media. I don't like this decision but I understand why they are doing it. I just think its a bit foolish to abandon the devices before cell phones are fully able to take the place of the MP3 player.

~Johnny said,

I stick with my Zune simply because of battery life. Smartphones have weak enough battery lives as it is, using it as your primary media player just makes things worse, especially for heavy phone users. Using a smartphone as the primary media players just isn't an option yet :[

That, and the Zune software on WP7 is inferior to that on the Zune HD, and my Omnia 7 only gets 8GB of memory >.<

Anyway I hope this isn't true... there doesn't appear to be any proper source for the information other than "Bloomberg says so". Not even how Bloomberg know .__.

It's not so bad.. the battery life on my Nexus One (2.3.3) is about the same as my Ipod Touch when it listen to music and use it normally (SMS, Internet, Music, some phone 1 or 2 max) so i only carry my phone now..

Koki.v3 said,
Since cellphones added the option to listen to music, I've pretty much ditched standalone MP3 players. Why have a cellphone AND an MP3 player when I can have both together in one device? The only thing that comes to my mind is battery life. Anyway, WP7 FTW.

I only listen to music while i work out and never really any other time except while driving.. I dont like using my WP7 while doing weights so I use one of the sony walkmans (the ones only on your ears) and it is perfect..

Lachlan said,

I only listen to music while i work out and never really any other time except while driving.. I dont like using my WP7 while doing weights so I use one of the sony walkmans (the ones only on your ears) and it is perfect..

Absolutely right! I use sony ear walkman as well. It's sleek and gives you what you want. Thats it!

they are probably doing this because the standalone MP3 player market is basically dieing now.... what doesn't play MP3's now days... even iPod sales have slowed considerably

neufuse said,
they are probably doing this because the standalone MP3 player market is basically dieing now.... what doesn't play MP3's now days... even iPod sales have slowed considerably

Exactly, most people just use their phones for this job now.

GP007 said,

Exactly, most people just use their phones for this job now.

See how many iPods does Apple sell each quarter worldwide. People that get an iPod Touch later goes to iPhone and/or iPad.

Zune as hardware device failed thanks to MSFT handling of the product. there were many shortcomings & issues with the Zune brand up to this day and MSFT didn't do jack squat to fix and remedy the situation.

Heck, even today the Zune client in Windows Phone doesn't support SmartDJ. And they expect people to flock to their new mobile endeavor. Good luck with that. Maybe Nokia as a partner can tell them what the heck to do and do it ASAP.

Ricardo Dawkins said,

See how many iPods does Apple sell each quarter worldwide. People that get an iPod Touch later goes to iPhone and/or iPad.

Zune as hardware device failed thanks to MSFT handling of the product. there were many shortcomings & issues with the Zune brand up to this day and MSFT didn't do jack squat to fix and remedy the situation.

Heck, even today the Zune client in Windows Phone doesn't support SmartDJ. And they expect people to flock to their new mobile endeavor. Good luck with that. Maybe Nokia as a partner can tell them what the heck to do and do it ASAP.

Not yet, they could add it though. Having said that, I only really use Smart DJ through the Desktop Client.

Ricardo Dawkins said,

See how many iPods does Apple sell each quarter worldwide. People that get an iPod Touch later goes to iPhone and/or iPad.

Yup, and the popularity of iPod, then iPhone and later iPad will make people look at their Mac lineup as well. Huge win for Apple.

neufuse said,
they are probably doing this because the standalone MP3 player market is basically dieing now.... what doesn't play MP3's now days... even iPod sales have slowed considerably

iPod Touch sales were reported to be up by 27% on a year-over-year basis according to Apple in Jan 2011. (http://mashable.com/2011/01/18/ipod-touch-sales/)

iPod Classic may be cancelled soon though. iPod Touch is probably gaining on the Classic since a long time back. I think the iPod Touch is a decent iOS introduction device though, for music and games. Good for kids if you don't want to go all out and give them their own phones.

Northgrove said,

iPod Touch sales were reported to be up by 27% on a year-over-year basis according to Apple in Jan 2011. (http://mashable.com/2011/01/18/ipod-touch-sales/)

iPod Classic may be cancelled soon though. iPod Touch is probably gaining on the Classic since a long time back. I think the iPod Touch is a decent iOS introduction device though, for music and games. Good for kids if you don't want to go all out and give them their own phones.

and in what way is the iPod touch a standalone MP3 player? if anything it should be a PDA

neufuse said,
they are probably doing this because the standalone MP3 player market is basically dieing now.... what doesn't play MP3's now days... even iPod sales have slowed considerably
Zune probably failed because of such a small Marketplace.

Byron_Hinson said,
Long overdue

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.

Completely agree with you, Zune HD was a fantastic device.

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.

I never said the hardware was bad - the vision and strategy was. That's why the death of it is long overdue. Microsoft seem hellbent at throwing money at things with a complete lack of knowing where to take things or what to do with them. For a device that sold so badly and got little backing from the company in the form of software updates or the applications that Microsoft promised would come, it should have ended a while back

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.

i agree although it was not that the marketting was bad or anything like that.. it was that everyone already had ipods and wanted to stick with the same company for the touch.. it was too bad it was not released earlier.

Microsoft just failed at marketing, as usual. They really produce some of the best hardware available (zune hd, keyboards and mice...), if only they actually pushed it out more. Forget the Kin, don't have a clue what they were thinking there.

nohone said,

Actually, you didn't say anything in your OP except for flame bait.

Amazing how people can twist that word to their agenda. Fanboi's espcially.

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.
Just asking.... I thought the iPod touch or is it the old iPods they are using Wolfson Sound Chip which a lot say its the best?

Blasius said,

Amazing how people can twist that word to their agenda. Fanboi's espcially.


Hardly. The OP posted two words that were bound to cause debate without any qualifying statements or reasons to backup his comments. Seems like flame bait to me.

Minimoose said,
Microsoft just failed at marketing, as usual. They really produce some of the best hardware available (zune hd, keyboards and mice...), if only they actually pushed it out more. Forget the Kin, don't have a clue what they were thinking there.

They also failed at selling to an international market, oh wait they didn't try. When will companies realise that there are very influential western countries outside of North America.

So much as to say, of course I don't have a zune, no-matter how much I try to pay them, they won't sell me one.

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.

Zune HD was a good mp3 player. But it did not trounce the iPod touch.

smithy_dll said,

They also failed at selling to an international market, oh wait they didn't try. When will companies realise that there are very influential western countries outside of North America.

So much as to say, of course I don't have a zune, no-matter how much I try to pay them, they won't sell me one.

In the case of thr Zune you should say outside of USA cause the Zune was nowhere to be seen in Canada.

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.


Was

Ayepecks said,

Bull****. The Zune HD was a superb piece of hardware that easily trounced the iPod Touch in terms of hardware capabilities and sound quality. It was just marketed oddly (throwing money at unique ads doesn't mean consumers are going to understand why your product is better than the competition's). I'll take the Zune HD over an iPod Touch any day of the week.

Agreed. This is happening because it makes sense. Every Windows Phone is a Zune player. From Music, to games, Movie, and apps. Only a fool would buy a dedicated player with no phone, for 3 x the cost. Audiophiles want the dedicated player, but most people who use portable players are active and the sound quality is more than acceptable, even bluetooth.