Third undersea cable cut in Middle East

A third undersea cable was cut on Friday, just two days after two breaks near Egypt disrupted Web access in parts of the Middle East and Asia, Indian-owned cable network operator FLAG Telecom said. FLAG, a wholly-owned subsidiary of India's number two mobile operator Reliance Communications, said on its Web site on Friday its FALCON cable had been reported cut at 0559 GMT, 56 kms (35 miles) from Dubai, between the United Arab Emirates and Oman. Egyptian telecom authorities said about 55 percent of the country's Internet capacity had been restored by Friday, thanks to rerouting of traffic.

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Indeed, this can be a terrorist act, but not a "hollywood-like" terrorism action but a corporate terrorism.

Just another factoid for the conspiracy nutters to consider...CNN (Atlanta, GA UNITED STATES based news company) reported on both this story and the previous story about the first two cut cables. I read about them there before seeing the stories here...and I visit both CNN and Neowin daily

all you conspiracy theorists are simply that theorists, there is no PROOF, i agree it is rather unusuall for 3 to be cut but i woudl go more on terrorists disrupting the traffic than the US planting monitoring tools.

as for the not gettign reported on internationl news, whocares internationally, their links area all still fine.. i am sure it is on the news in the middle east..where it actually matters....

as i said in a post above, a link in hong kong got cut last year, when i was in aus i didnt hear a thing about it, when i got to HK everyone new about it..

3 cuts in a week is unlikely, but also in the realm of possibilities.

There is no need to sever the cables to install monitoring equipment. Echelon has proven this.

I love all the moronic conspiracy theories, really makes me laugh. One day i am going to invent an online device that stabs people in the face!

(Pewpew12 said @ #17.1)

South East Asia-Middle East-Western Europe 4
Thanks for the clarification.
I just thought it was funny: see me we(e), like watch me pee. anyways.
We now return you to your normal programming.

you guys are living on one of the most active tectonic plates on this planet..you guys regularly have massive earthquakes...I dont need to tell you tho. Im in California and no stranger to quakes, but over there its a regular occurance. We may have a big one every couple decades or so. Theres all kinds of stretching and shifting going on all the time out there that you never feel or hear about..I bet its a constant job keeping everything intact. Either that or really smart fish or under water aliens... or us>>>MUWAAHAHAHA!

lol people actually blaming the US? anyone heard about underwater volcanic activity? its quite an active region you know....

Hmmm, didn't notice it was in land... the three cables are rather unrelated in position then.

Any activity of that type, enough to cut THREE SEPARATE CABLES (have you SEEN the actual structure of them.. we're not talking about some thin wiring here), would be spotted by seizmologists in a second.. and it would be PUBLICISED that THAT was the reason, as it is your media isn't giving a reason, (and that's even if they report it).. whilst in the UK, they aren't even reporting it at all.

what do you expect THREE cables have been cut, they haev just put the load on other cables and satelites of course you arent going to get the smae speeds your used to... your overall bandwidth is down

Speed is pretty decent now here in Egypt, I'm glad they have sorted out the problem quickly (or at least 55% of it).

Hmmm, may be the MPAA knew about the amount of illegal downloads here? I hope not! :P

(waqastariq said @ #10)
Its a two days old news, and it on the front page today...

Is NeoWin getting its sources from the snail mail?

maybe you should re-read the article.

Blaaaaaame Caaaaaanada !!

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anyway here in Saudi Arabia it's so much better this days ... I think it's because of rerouting of traffic...
I'm getting my full speed again ^^

Which just further reinforces that they already know but just won't tell us.. at the moment, the News station can't lie to us.. it would eventually be disproved by outside sources that they can't control and they can't risk more finger pointing at their reporting than there has already been this past few months, so they just keep quite about it.. if it was innocent they would tell us... and these type of things don't just happen with no-one knowing the cause.

(The Walker said @ #2.1)
Which just further reinforces that they already know but just won't tell us.. at the moment, the News station can't lie to us.. it would eventually be disproved by outside sources that they can't control and they can't risk more finger pointing at their reporting than there has already been this past few months, so they just keep quite about it.. if it was innocent they would tell us... and these type of things don't just happen with no-one knowing the cause.

do you live in the middel east, if you dont then why woudl your news show it, i remember a cable in Hong Kong was cut last year, i heard nothgin about it till i actually got to hong kong

Yea, it's strange. Although governments, army, banks and stock depends on Satellites, only consumers and small business who suffer from this crisis.

(Amano said @ #1.1)
Yea, it's strange. Although governments, army, banks and stock depends on Satellites, only consumers and small business who suffer from this crisis.

Blame the ship's anchor which destroyed the cables. The cables were damaged when a ship anchored at a place where the cables are laid. Bad luck. I live in India and I get only speeds around 56kbps for a 2Mbps!..

(syncvichu said @ #1.2)

Blame the ship's anchor which destroyed the cables. The cables were damaged when a ship anchored at a place where the cables are laid. Bad luck. I live in India and I get only speeds around 56kbps for a 2Mbps!..

Rubbish... how often does this kind of thing happen?.. and now there's been three in a row...Do you think they are buses?

I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that it's the American authorities installing hardware data monitoring and filtering equipment. That's exactly the type of nazi thing they'd do at the moment considering current policies.. and Bush will want to do as much as possible before he either get's impeached or thrown out on his butt.

(The Walker said @ #1.3)
Rubbish... how often does this kind of thing happen?.. and now there's been three in a row...Do you think they are buses?

I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that it's the American authorities installing hardware data monitoring and filtering equipment. That's exactly the type of nazi thing they'd do at the moment considering current policies.. and Bush will want to do as much as possible before he either get's impeached or thrown out on his butt.


Makes sense to me.. Get a submarine down to the cable and wait around, then get a ship to drop anchor in the rough area and the sub to cut the cable... then move fifty miles down the line and install listening equipment whilst the line's dead.

It'll look like a genuine accident, and when the cable company fixes the break they'll have no idea there's monitoring equipment been installed at another place on the cable.

(The Walker said @ #1.3)

Rubbish... how often does this kind of thing happen?.. and now there's been three in a row...Do you think they are buses?

I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that it's the American authorities installing hardware data monitoring and filtering equipment. That's exactly the type of nazi thing they'd do at the moment considering current policies.. and Bush will want to do as much as possible before he either get's impeached or thrown out on his butt.

Cutting cables disrupts the traffic flowing through them. Performing any action that disrupts traffic when you are trying to monitor it is counterproductive. If they were cut as part of some intentional action, they were cut to disrupt the traffic flowing through them.

(The Walker said @ #1.3)

Rubbish... how often does this kind of thing happen?.. and now there's been three in a row...Do you think they are buses?

I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that it's the American authorities installing hardware data monitoring and filtering equipment. That's exactly the type of nazi thing they'd do at the moment considering current policies.. and Bush will want to do as much as possible before he either get's impeached or thrown out on his butt.


The thing with installing a tap, is that you don't want the people you're monitoring to know you're doing it.

So severing it 3 times in a short time span, causing them to have to go repair it, gets rid of any secrecy the tappers would have.

Also, Godwin.

(Shining Arcanine said @ #1.5)
Cutting cables disrupts the traffic flowing through them. Performing any action that disrupts traffic when you are trying to monitor it is counterproductive. If they were cut as part of some intentional action, they were cut to disrupt the traffic flowing through them.

The disruption is only temporary, and when the cables are fixed, you are able to monitor traffic, effectively and siliently.

The monitoring gains far outweigh the small disruption caused.... and has as aready been said, the data was rerouted through the UK and US, so there really wasn't any disruption as far as the authorities are concerned.

Look, I know how this all sounds, but if you look around you to the unauthorised and illegal actions that have been taken already to monitor information and then look at all of the so called 'coincidences' surely it all strikes you as rather implausable?

(The_Decryptor said @ #1.6)
The thing with installing a tap, is that you don't want the people you're monitoring to know you're doing it.

Also, Godwin.

Well as it's not being reported on the TV news, and certainly not explained.. it's all just internet blurb.. anyway even if they suspect, it's not as if the countries involved have the authority or resources to go check the cables.. firstly the cabling is outwith their jurisdiction (doesn't belong to them) and ANY tampering (by the east) would be interpreted as hostile by the rest of the world (America) also it would take them to physically dismantle the cabling, once it had been fixed, to find any planted devices, and you can bet THAT would be noticed and reported by the 'intelligence' agencies and spun in to an act of sabotage or war.. they can't win. Once it has been done there's nothing they can do about it.

(The Walker said @ #1.7)

The disruption is only temporary, and when the cables are fixed, you are able to monitor traffic, effectively and siliently.

The monitoring gains far outweigh the small disruption caused.... and has as aready been said, the data was rerouted through the UK and US, so there really wasn't any disruption as far as the authorities are concerned.

Look, I know how this all sounds, but if you look around you to the unauthorised and illegal actions that have been taken already to monitor information and then look at all of the so called 'coincidences' surely it all strikes you as rather implausable?

In order to fix the cable, the telecommunications company will need to inspect it across its length. If there is any monitoring equipment, they will find it. The only way a submarine can secretly install monitoring equipment is if they do not cut the cable, which is what the USS Jimmy Carter is equipped to do. If the USS Jimmy Carter was doing any sort of monitoring, we would not hear about a cable being cut on the news, online or offline.

(Shining Arcanine said @ #1.9)
In order to fix the cable, the telecommunications company will need to inspect it across its length. If there is any monitoring equipment, they will find it. The only way a submarine can secretly install monitoring equipment is if they do not cut the cable, which is what the USS Jimmy Carter is equipped to do. If the USS Jimmy Carter was doing any sort of monitoring, we would not hear about a cable being cut on the news, online or offline.

AT&T had ALREADY been proven to be complicit in assisting your government to spy.. is it REALLY so hard for you to accept that other corporate bodies would do the same?.. ESPECIALLY with the legislation that's about to go through, allowing complicit corporate bodies COMPLETE IMMUNITY from their glaringly obvious illegal actions.

As for the USS Peanut Farmer, that's military.. do you HONESTLY believe that such an operation would be left to a relatively publically scrutinised organisation such as your regular military? These type of actions are perpetrated by arms of your 'intelligence' agencies..

AND NOW, you're even going to have police utilising dogs and HEAVY WEAPONRY 'patrolling' your subways...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/nyregion...amp;exprod=digg

...all in the name of some amorphous 'terrorist' threat, yet is nothing except a means to control it's people and instill a government sponsored aire of fear .. just TRY to demonstrate against your government now.

You are one step away from Martial LAW, you country is going down the crapper and you are dragging the rest of the world with you.. yet you all just deny, deny, deny... Nixon would have loved your current society, he would have gotten away with murder..

...oh..wait..

Stop me if I'm wrong here, but these cables are used, nay, REQUIRED to handle the vast amounts of data that those parts of the world produce, right? So what kind of technology are they possibly going to use to monitor it? That amount of data will have to be stored or sent somewhere else, unless you want to build an underwater supercomputer to process it all, and for that to happen you're going to need a cable capable of handling the same amount of data...
If they wanted to "monitor" the traffic, they'd just do it at the point the lines reach the mainland, in the safety of the ISP that handles it...

I think you're all jumping to silly conclusions here. Yes it's suspicious, but I doubt it's anything like this.

(Kushan said @ #1.11)
Stop me if I'm wrong here, but these cables are used, nay, REQUIRED to handle the vast amounts of data that those parts of the world produce, right? So what kind of technology are they possibly going to use to monitor it? That amount of data will have to be stored or sent somewhere else, unless you want to build an underwater supercomputer to process it all, and for that to happen you're going to need a cable capable of handling the same amount of data...
If they wanted to "monitor" the traffic, they'd just do it at the point the lines reach the mainland, in the safety of the ISP that handles it...

I think you're all jumping to silly conclusions here. Yes it's suspicious, but I doubt it's anything like this.

No idea how they'd do it.. but seeing as the cable itself can be upto 2 feet in diameter I'd say the you could quite easily fit any amount of tech in it you'd want to by removing a section of the cable casing.....

Also about having ISP's do it.. that would leave a paper trail, public companies actively monitoring foreign countries, that's a recipe for justified military action against America and the allied countries would stay the hell out of it, you'd be on your own... so the method would have to be as suripticious as possible, which means removing ISP's from the equation.. this is of course assuming that the immunity laws don't get passed (although it's 90% certain that they will).

I know that it's a rather outrageous thing to think and 10 years ago I'd have agreed, but with the illegal actions your (and other) government has undertaken in the past decade, I think something like this is small potatoes.

The collusion between your government, intelligence services and AT&T to spy on it's own people should be a bloody big red neon sign as to how your political infrastucture is willing to commit illegal acts in the name of their own motives... and remember we not just talking some random acts that happen to be against the law, we are talking acts which blatently break your consitution.. and that is the very thing your country is based on, it should be UTTERLY INVIOLET, but they think nothing of those acts, and even when caught inflagrante they refuse to stop and continue to ride roughshod over the will of the people.

So do I think that it is an unlikely senario? NO, to the contrary, I think it's quite possible, nay PROBABLE.

(The Walker said @ #1.12)

No idea how they'd do it.. but seeing as the cable itself can be upto 2 feet in diameter I'd say the you could quite easily fit any amount of tech in it you'd want to by removing a section of the cable casing.....

Also about having ISP's do it.. that would leave a paper trail, public companies actively monitoring foreign countries, that's a recipe for justified military action against America and the allied countries would stay the hell out of it, you'd be on your own... so the method would have to be as suripticious as possible, which means removing ISP's from the equation.. this is of course assuming that the immunity laws don't get passed (although it's 90% certain that they will).

I know that it's a rather outrageous thing to think and 10 years ago I'd have agreed, but with the illegal actions your (and other) government has undertaken in the past decade, I think something like this is small potatoes.

The collusion between your government, intelligence services and AT&T to spy on it's own people should be a bloody big red neon sign as to how your political infrastucture is willing to commit illegal acts in the name of their own motives... and remember we not just talking some random acts that happen to be against the law, we are talking acts which blatently break your consitution.. and that is the very thing your country is based on, it should be UTTERLY INVIOLET, but they think nothing of those acts, and even when caught inflagrante they refuse to stop and continue to ride roughshod over the will of the people.

So do I think that it is an unlikely senario? NO, to the contrary, I think it's quite possible, nay PROBABLE.

Let me get this straight... you admit you have no idea how something that is almost certainly technologically impossible then go off on some completely unrelated tangent, providing no evidence what-so-ever and rambling about martial law? While I concede that it is possible Room 641A is exactly what conspiracy theorists suggest, this is only because the technology to do so exists (Narus STA 6400). Consider that a device similar to the STA 6400 would be required for what you suggest then remember that the STA 6400 takes up an entire floor of a relatively large building.

Your explanation and nonsensical ramblings are yet to provide any semblance of reality. Name a piece of technology and I'll rebutt that, until then, go mumble about a government stealing your freedoms to your dog.

EDIT: It is also worth noting that this particular cable, SEA-ME-WE4, was partially constructed by US/UK owned telecommunications companies. If any monitoring were to be required, logic would deem that it would be much easier to install at that point (December 2005 is when it went operational, not some long period 30 years ago). Conspiracy theorists rarely utilise logic, though...

(The Walker said @ #1.12)

No idea how they'd do it.. but seeing as the cable itself can be upto 2 feet in diameter I'd say the you could quite easily fit any amount of tech in it you'd want to by removing a section of the cable casing.....

Also about having ISP's do it.. that would leave a paper trail, public companies actively monitoring foreign countries, that's a recipe for justified military action against America and the allied countries would stay the hell out of it, you'd be on your own... so the method would have to be as suripticious as possible, which means removing ISP's from the equation.. this is of course assuming that the immunity laws don't get passed (although it's 90% certain that they will).

I know that it's a rather outrageous thing to think and 10 years ago I'd have agreed, but with the illegal actions your (and other) government has undertaken in the past decade, I think something like this is small potatoes.

The collusion between your government, intelligence services and AT&T to spy on it's own people should be a bloody big red neon sign as to how your political infrastucture is willing to commit illegal acts in the name of their own motives... and remember we not just talking some random acts that happen to be against the law, we are talking acts which blatently break your consitution.. and that is the very thing your country is based on, it should be UTTERLY INVIOLET, but they think nothing of those acts, and even when caught inflagrante they refuse to stop and continue to ride roughshod over the will of the people.

So do I think that it is an unlikely senario? NO, to the contrary, I think it's quite possible, nay PROBABLE.

They make a pill that will fix that for ya...

(The Walker said @ #1.12)

No idea how they'd do it.. but seeing as the cable itself can be upto 2 feet in diameter I'd say the you could quite easily fit any amount of tech in it you'd want to by removing a section of the cable casing.....

Also about having ISP's do it.. that would leave a paper trail, public companies actively monitoring foreign countries, that's a recipe for justified military action against America and the allied countries would stay the hell out of it, you'd be on your own... so the method would have to be as suripticious as possible, which means removing ISP's from the equation.. this is of course assuming that the immunity laws don't get passed (although it's 90% certain that they will).

I know that it's a rather outrageous thing to think and 10 years ago I'd have agreed, but with the illegal actions your (and other) government has undertaken in the past decade, I think something like this is small potatoes.

The collusion between your government, intelligence services and AT&T to spy on it's own people should be a bloody big red neon sign as to how your political infrastucture is willing to commit illegal acts in the name of their own motives... and remember we not just talking some random acts that happen to be against the law, we are talking acts which blatently break your consitution.. and that is the very thing your country is based on, it should be UTTERLY INVIOLET, but they think nothing of those acts, and even when caught inflagrante they refuse to stop and continue to ride roughshod over the will of the people.

So do I think that it is an unlikely senario? NO, to the contrary, I think it's quite possible, nay PROBABLE.

The cable casing is there for signal integrity. If a section of it was removed, the signal integrity would drop dramatically, which would be the equivalent of cutting the cable and the telecommunications company would have to send someone out to fix it.

Also, if AT&T was helping the government spy on us, they would be doing it on land.

By the way, I suggest that you go for a full psychiatric evaluation. You appear to have paranoid schizophrenia and will likely be a threat to yourself and possibly others if it goes untreated.

Hi,

For the paranoid among you you don't actually need to cut the cables to "tap" or monitor the traffic on them.

It's possible to bury monitoring devices in the sea bed underneath the cables and achieve the same results without damaging the cables you wish to monitor. Cutting the cables is unnecessary and counter-productive.

The only reason to cut them would be to deny their use to an enemy but it would be far simpler to destroy the countries above-ground infrastructure to do this.

Never blame on malice what can be explained by stupidity.

Regards

Simon


You are one step away from Martial LAW, you country is going down the crapper and you are dragging the rest of the world with you.. yet you all just deny, deny, deny... Nixon would have loved your current society, he would have gotten away with murder..

...oh..wait..

Look Walker, I don't want to interupt your fantasy about the US being some sort of police state when you obviously know nothing about it.

If the US was one step away from a police state, the government would be silencing your post right now (Neowin is in the United States btw). So the fact that you are able to spout your hateful anti-American drivel on an American site kind of goes against your argument.

Would you mind taking your America bashing elsewhere? It's completely off topic in this discussion.

(PsiMoon314 said @ #1.16)
It's possible to bury monitoring devices in the sea bed underneath the cables and achieve the same results without damaging the cables you wish to monitor. Cutting the cables is unnecessary and counter-productive.

Could you tell me of what kind of equipment is able to monitor what's being sent down a fiber-optic cable without being physically spliced in?

(Frogboy said @ #1.17)

Look Walker, I don't want to interupt your fantasy about the US being some sort of police state when you obviously know nothing about it.

If the US was one step away from a police state, the government would be silencing your post right now (Neowin is in the United States btw). So the fact that you are able to spout your hateful anti-American drivel on an American site kind of goes against your argument.

Would you mind taking your America bashing elsewhere? It's completely off topic in this discussion.

All of the stuff that's happening in your country, from the admitted monitoring of your people data, to the willful denial of voter's rights, to the voting 'irregularities', to the breaking (not just bending) of your constitution.. and you STILL deny the facts?

WHY?

(Shining Arcanine said @ #1.15)
The cable casing is there for signal integrity. If a section of it was removed, the signal integrity would drop dramatically, which would be the equivalent of cutting the cable and the telecommunications company would have to send someone out to fix it.

No it not, it's fiber optics that's being used in the cable.. the structure is meant for protection.

Also, if AT&T was helping the government spy on us, they would be doing it on land.

Umm.. I'll stop you right there.. what do you mean IF?

By the way, I suggest that you go for a full psychiatric evaluation. You appear to have paranoid schizophrenia and will likely be a threat to yourself and possibly others if it goes untreated.

Actually the definition of psychotic is the blind denial of obvious truth... and I'm not the one who's guilty of that.

(GreyWolfSC said @ #1.14)

They make a pill that will fix that for ya... ;)

And the blind refusal to accept known and obvious facts about the actions your power infrastructiure has and is willing to take for their own purposes is a better point of view that mine?.. HOW?

(Pewpew12 said @ #1.13)

Let me get this straight... you admit you have no idea how something that is almost certainly technologically impossible then go off on some completely unrelated tangent, providing no evidence what-so-ever and rambling about martial law? While I concede that it is possible Room 641A is exactly what conspiracy theorists suggest, this is only because the technology to do so exists (Narus STA 6400). Consider that a device similar to the STA 6400 would be required for what you suggest then remember that the STA 6400 takes up an entire floor of a relatively large building.

Your explanation and nonsensical ramblings are yet to provide any semblance of reality. Name a piece of technology and I'll rebutt that, until then, go mumble about a government stealing your freedoms to your dog.

So you complete rebuttal of my statements is the fact that because I, a mere layman, don't know the specific technical details of how it would be accomplished, when it's obvious to those who choose not to wear blinkers.. that it CAN actually be done,.. that's it's unfeasible and impossible that your goverment, in the face of all that it HAS done.. would do such a thing?

Who's taking a ridiculous and narrow minded point of view now?

EDIT: It is also worth noting that this particular cable, SEA-ME-WE4, was partially constructed by US/UK owned telecommunications companies. If any monitoring were to be required, logic would deem that it would be much easier to install at that point (December 2005 is when it went operational, not some long period 30 years ago). Conspiracy theorists rarely utilise logic, though...

Easier?.. yes... plausible and possible at the time?.. who knows?

You continue to talk of logic.. but answer me this in 'logical' terms.. in the face of everything that has and IS happening...in the face of all of the illegal actions perpetrated by your government in collusion with you intelligence services and and telecommunication companies (or singular)...in the face of the suspension of the most fundimental precepts of your constitution...

Is it IMPOSSIBLE?.. actually scratch that.. is it IMPLAUSIBLE?

Remember, without turning a blind eye to established facts.. answer me logically.

Face it people, you are blindly refusing to accept the known facts about what your government tells you and does to your rights as private citizens.. and if you continue ignoring your current situation things will dramtically get worse for you.

It's all ready been established that you country is the most fascist one since Germany '39... that's established and accepted FACT around the world.

Exactly what measures would have to be taken before you realise the kind of country you live in?

I know that you refuse to believe because of fear, uncertainty and the inability to do anything to affect a change in your country..... but turning a blind eye won't make anything better for your situation...

At some point you will all have to stand up and be counted.. but if things continue the way they are going you will be denied even the basic right to demonstrate, you should choose to act sooner rather than later.

You already know that your government HAS acted in collusion with with your intelligence agencies and business against the benefit of it's people.. THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF CONSPIRACY.. so faced with the irrefutable fact that conspiracies ARE taking place, are you still going to deny their existance?

(The Walker said @ #1.22)
Face it people, you are blindly refusing to accept the known facts about what your government tells you and does to your rights as private citizens.. and if you continue ignoring your current situation things will dramtically get worse for you...

Well ignorance is bliss isn't it, that's why people just don't wanna face the facts.

oh comeon, while it is a fact that the US intelligence agencies monitor large amounts of data transmitted on the internet it is also a fact that:

1) even the cia, nsa and fbi combined don't have the resources to monitor ALL traffic
2) there are much easier ways to monitor the internet traffic without having to cut some undersea cables
3) AES and tripleDES are more than enough to stop anyone from snooping in, the nsa, cia and fbi agencies know it, and the terrorists know it. And don't you tell me that there are backdoors in AES requested by the cia, because then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about

+1

as for the conpiracy nutters, there are WAY easier ways to tap information... and as XerXis stated above the resources dont exist to monitro ALL traffic. think for about 2 seconds on how much traffic goes through the cables you have email, phone calls, text messages, other internet traffic, etc etc...adn then tell me the computers exist to monitor it ALL, the technoogy alone to monitor a phone call is pretty high and voice recognition software isnt that great...

i find it incredibly hard to believe they are all accidental.. there are cables all over the world, and 3 all in the middle east get cut at basically the same time, yet none anywhere else in the world

(The Walker said @ #1.19)
All of the stuff that's happening in your country, from the admitted monitoring of your people data, to the willful denial of voter's rights, to the voting 'irregularities', to the breaking (not just bending) of your constitution.. and you STILL deny the facts?

WHY?

Because I actually live here whereas you clearly don't. So I am not as prone to buy into every wacko conspiracy job that I'm fed as you clearly are.

Voices you hear in your head do not constitute facts. And if you are so paranoid about big brother monitoring your brain waves or whatever, then what are you doing here? This is an American website. So clearly, George W. Bush is personally watching you right this very second.

Quick, run away while you still have time. They've already implanted the loyalty chip inside my skull. It's too late for me but there's still time for you to escape...

(The Walker said @ #1.22)
At some point you will all have to stand up and be counted.. but if things continue the way they are going you will be denied even the basic right to demonstrate, you should choose to act sooner rather than later.

Sigh. I liked it better when these guys merely stood at street corners holding signs.

Anwyay, okay, I'm game. Walker, what specifically are YOU doing about it?

I find your views interesting and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. What must I do to stand and be counted? I'd like to follow your example? Does it involve doing more than trolling news items on tech news sites or does it actually involve concrete action?

(whocares78 said @ #1.25)
+1

as for the conpiracy nutters, there are WAY easier ways to tap information... and as XerXis stated above the resources dont exist to monitro ALL traffic. think for about 2 seconds on how much traffic goes through the cables you have email, phone calls, text messages, other internet traffic, etc etc...adn then tell me the computers exist to monitor it ALL, the technoogy alone to monitor a phone call is pretty high and voice recognition software isnt that great...

i find it incredibly hard to believe they are all accidental.. there are cables all over the world, and 3 all in the middle east get cut at basically the same time, yet none anywhere else in the world

In terms of conspiracy theories it seems like it would be more plausible that some dumbass Islamic terrorist organization, in a lame attempt to keep the "filth" of the Infadel away from good Muslims would go down and cut the cables than a dumbass CIA agent botching an implantation device operation not realizing that you can just as easily monitor the same network traffic without touching the cables at all.

(Frogboy said @ #1.28)

In terms of conspiracy theories it seems like it would be more plausible that some dumbass Islamic terrorist organization, in a lame attempt to keep the "filth" of the Infadel away from good Muslims would go down and cut the cables than a dumbass CIA agent botching an implantation device operation not realizing that you can just as easily monitor the same network traffic without touching the cables at all.

yeah i think i mentioned somewhere it is way more likely to be terroroists