Treyarch confirms mod tools for Call of Duty: Black Ops

In a move to regain the trust of the PC gaming community, Treyarch has expressed an interest in dedicated servers for Call of Duty: Black Ops, and most recently announced that the game will be opened up to modding. Infinity Ward disappointed PC gamers when it launched Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 without dedicated servers or mod tools. Treyarch is making a concerted effort to correct that mistake.

Speaking on the Call of Duty: Black Ops Community Forums, a Treyarch developer posting as "pcdev" made the official announcement. Exactly when and to what extent modding will be available is still unclear, but it is something the developer plans to focus on post-launch.

"There are some purely technical issues related to engine and internal tool enhancements that do not easily fit the modtools paradigm," pcdev wrote. "We have looked at it close enough to see that it is non-trivial and we will have to pick it up again post-launch. Right now we are completely focused on finishing the game. And, dev console: confirmed."

Though dedicated servers have not been officially announced, Treyarch studio head Mark Lamia has made it clear it's something he wants.

"I think dedicated servers are excellent. I don't see any reason not to use them unless... well, I just don't see any reason not to. We're working very hard... so people can run dedicated servers and also participate in the communal experience the console players get to have, given they're all on first-party servers."

Call of Duty: Black Ops is set to hit store shelves on November 9.

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it'll only work if the engine is amazing and the tool is user friendly. there are so many modifiable games out right now i am not sure why anyone would pick this game.

So will these dedicated servers be able to host games for 360/PS3 gamers simultaneously? I have it pre-ordered for PS3, but I know some of my friends are getting it for 360.

CoMMo said,
So will these dedicated servers be able to host games for 360/PS3 gamers simultaneously? I have it pre-ordered for PS3, but I know some of my friends are getting it for 360.

This... It makes me sad :'(

Not to be mean but I think you may have missread some things.

Dedicated server and Mods are only for the PC..

whitch also mean that all map pack and patch will be free again for PC users..

as for console.. HA HA sucks to be u. .Im glad to see more forcus on the PC side after MW2 totaly blowing it.

LiquidSolstice said,
And here come all the morons who are going sit there and make Wal-Mart maps with Light Machine Guns that fire grenades instead of bullets. So much for a universal ranking system, all so the whiny PC gamers can have their customization, because of course, all PC gamers are entitled to getting a sandbox version of a game just so they can rip to pieces to the point where it's hardly recognizable.

I'm glad they didn't have dedicated servers for MW2 on the PC, because that's what destroyed CS for me. So sick of all the retarded mods.

"Whoaaa, dude, he's already a level 70 holy cr--oh wait, he's playing on the EXP-whoring server, that's why"

I'm sure I'm about to get a ton of bricks dropped on me by PC gamers, and I welcome it.

That is why man invented ranked servers. Ranked servers are only allowed legally (as by the T&C that go with the game that is) to run the stock game unmodified.

SharpGreen said,

That is why man invented ranked servers. Ranked servers are only allowed legally (as by the T&C that go with the game that is) to run the stock game unmodified.

But what motivation will there be to play on a stock server, when there's servers where people can quickly rank up without much work? And how would you be able to differentiate between the two different ranking systems? It just seems to be so much more hassle and only ends up with cheap games/mods.

LiquidSolstice said,
And here come all the morons who are going sit there and make Wal-Mart maps with Light Machine Guns that fire grenades instead of bullets. So much for a universal ranking system, all so the whiny PC gamers can have their customization, because of course, all PC gamers are entitled to getting a sandbox version of a game just so they can rip to pieces to the point where it's hardly recognizable.

I'm glad they didn't have dedicated servers for MW2 on the PC, because that's what destroyed CS for me. So sick of all the retarded mods.

"Whoaaa, dude, he's already a level 70 holy cr--oh wait, he's playing on the EXP-whoring server, that's why"

I'm sure I'm about to get a ton of bricks dropped on me by PC gamers, and I welcome it.

I have to disagree, just look at TF2 it's so open that Valve put in community made mods like Prop hunt or Arena. Though I must say... No Activision Company can ever be Valve. I can understand your ideas on CSS but no one forces you to join modded games where in MW2 it's just click and gamble. I'm not even gonna start with Gmod because that's a whole other subject.

[quote=SharpGreen said,]

people that play on PC dont give a dam bout ranking and leader boards for the most part.. unles your playing SC 2<<< Hell I never bother to soo call perstige in any cod game nor will i ever in any new ones ether..

PC gamers dont care aobut soo called trophies or achevments.. we only in it to game.. and having dedicated server and mods make the most out of every game...

LiquidSolstice said,
And here come all the morons who are going sit there and make Wal-Mart maps with Light Machine Guns that fire grenades instead of bullets.

And here come all the morons who like to whine about freedom and freedom of CHOICE because they're butthurt over something. Don't like it? Don't play it. Go find another server, if you have the IQ to do it.

LiquidSolstice said,
I'm glad they didn't have dedicated servers for MW2 on the PC, because that's what destroyed CS for me. So sick of all the retarded mods.

Yes, because you just HAVE to play with mods, it's not like you have a choice... OH WAIT, you do! Are you really that dense?

LiquidSolstice said,
"Whoaaa, dude, he's already a level 70 holy cr--oh wait, he's playing on the EXP-whoring server, that's why"

Now you've proven you really are an ignorant buffoon. "EXP-whoring" server? Modded servers are unranked. No XP for you.

LiquidSolstice said,
I'm sure I'm about to get a ton of bricks dropped on me by PC gamers, and I welcome it.

That tends to happen when your posts are nothing but trolling and flamebait.

LiquidSolstice said,
I'm glad they didn't have dedicated servers for MW2 on the PC, because that's what destroyed CS for me. So sick of all the retarded mods.

"Whoaaa, dude, he's already a level 70 holy cr--oh wait, he's playing on the EXP-whoring server, that's why"

The console method of online gaming is a joke, IW.net mirrored that and it failed so hard they won't even acknowledge it. I played 10 minutes of MW2 the other day and the guys were openly asking each other how one guys aimbot was able to go through walls while theirs was not. Killcams showed I was tracked from the other side of the map.

All IW.net managed to do was make it IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of the hacks and douchebags.

Twisp said,
@LiquidSolstice

You are stupid.

LOL, you may want to expand on that or else you look like the nob... Just saying.

Yeah, got pretty much the responses I was expecting.

"We're PC gamers, we're all about SKILLZ man, and we're ENTITLED to customization and 'freedom' and you don't get it"

Whatever. You keep playing your twitch-reaction games that are inherently flawed to let people with better hardware/better "twitching" skills to win.

Meanwhile, I'll keep playing my console games where 99% of the other people are using the exact same setup as me, where it's ALL about skill because nothing is changed. And are you really complaining about an aim-bot on a console game? In my year of playing MW2, I've never encountered a single aimbot hack. And besides, are you trying to tell me that your so called "unranked" and unverified custom servers will all have aimbot protection? Really?

Twisp said,
@LiquidSolstice

You are stupid.

@Twisp

Nice elaboration there. It's so much easier to just flow with the crowd than think for yourself, isn't it? High five for you.

LiquidSolstice said,
Yeah, got pretty much the responses I was expecting.

"We're PC gamers, we're all about SKILLZ man, and we're ENTITLED to customization and 'freedom' and you don't get it"

Whatever. You keep playing your twitch-reaction games that are inherently flawed to let people with better hardware/better "twitching" skills to win.

Meanwhile, I'll keep playing my console games where 99% of the other people are using the exact same setup as me, where it's ALL about skill because nothing is changed. And are you really complaining about an aim-bot on a console game? In my year of playing MW2, I've never encountered a single aimbot hack. And besides, are you trying to tell me that your so called "unranked" and unverified custom servers will all have aimbot protection? Really?

I'm guessing you suck at PC games so it's ok to bash us. I was being fair before now I see that you are way too opinionated. The best word to fit you would be "Console Fan Boy" because it's the truth. We PC gamers don't care about hackers because guess what the community always finds a way to block them. My example before was the best one. Also open source is always better. More mods, more maps and more fun. We as a PC community extend the length of the game and sometimes even make it better. Of course not all mods are good and not all maps are but who are you to judge us? You can bash us as much as you want but from your other posts on this site I'm sure your gonna get the ban hammer dropped on you eventually. We don't need people like you to start flame wars.

PS The thing that will block this stuff is Punk Buster. If you look at other games like a said before (TF2) VAC is one of the best anti-cheat systems out there speaking for just general games. This one is most definitely going to have Punk Buster though.

Edited by AJC., Aug 25 2010, 10:03pm :

AJC. said,

I'm guessing you suck at PC games so it's ok to bash us. I was being fair before now I see that you are way too opinionated. The best word to fit you would be "Console Fan Boy" because it's the truth. We PC gamers don't care about hackers because guess what the community always finds a way to block them. My example before was the best one. Also open source is always better. More mods, more maps and more fun. We as a PC community extend the length of the game and sometimes even make it better. Of course not all mods are good and not all maps are but who are you to judge us? You can bash us as much as you want but from your other posts on this site I'm sure your gonna get the ban hammer dropped on you eventually. We don't need people like you to start flame wars.

PS The thing that will block this stuff is Punk Buster. If you look at other games like a said before (TF2) VAC is one of the best anti-cheat systems out there speaking for just general games. This one is most definitely going to have Punk Buster though.

Well oh no, someone on the internet doesn't like me. I'm shocked and offended. I speak my mind because I have the nice given freedom to do so, you don't have to agree with anything I say, and don't even start the "fanboy" wars, because PC gamers have long been just as vicious and condescending to console gamers as I've been thanks.

Just because you "friended" me on Neowin doesn't instantly make me respect you, and if you took the above comment(s) as a personal attack, frankly, I don't feel the need to respect you at all anyway.

I mean just look at you already indirectly "bashing" as you say on console gamers: "open source is always better" (you don't know the meaning of open source then, because these games are not), "who are you to judge us" the same person you are to tell me console games are less challenging or any less of games then PC games are, that's who. "we don't care about hackers" and console game devs don't? If you don't update your game, you don't get to go on Live. That's the rule, and if you decline an update, you're signed out of XBL for that game until you get it. There are no workarounds. There is no "new" code to be manipulated. Nothing. Nada. I haven't seen a single cheater in all my time playing MW2 and I've seen a ridiculous number in all the PC games I've ever played online.

Old school PC Gamers tend to be PC gamers because of the freedom afforded to pick out mods, and run the game in specific settings on custom hardware setups essentially customizing the experience and bringing hours more of enjoyment to them. I really enjoyed the giant bathrooms and so forth in Unreal Tournament, Some if the extra mods thrown on these servers made me able to continue playing for much longer then I would of otherwise. this is a good move.

sidroc said,
Old school PC Gamers tend to be PC gamers because of the freedom afforded to pick out mods, and run the game in specific settings on custom hardware setups essentially customizing the experience and bringing hours more of enjoyment to them. I really enjoyed the giant bathrooms and so forth in Unreal Tournament, Some if the extra mods thrown on these servers made me able to continue playing for much longer then I would of otherwise. this is a good move.

If perhaps they create a system of rewards for playing only on ranked official servers, then I suppose it would not be so much of an issue to me.

LiquidSolstice said,

If perhaps they create a system of rewards for playing only on ranked official servers, then I suppose it would not be so much of an issue to me.

Achievement+ perk unlocked as well as ranking should be incentive enough. Any game worth a **** will have its multiplayer renewable enough to play over the minigames.

LiquidSolstice said,

If perhaps they create a system of rewards for playing only on ranked official servers, then I suppose it would not be so much of an issue to me.

I think they will take the COD4 way of just turning rank off when on modded servers. It would just take a single Cvar.

I'll take this with a grain of salt until the game is released cause Robert Bowling said that MW2 would have dedi servers right until about 20 days before the game was shipped. We all know how that turned out.

With Activision past action, I wonder if the mod tools / dedicated server is just a bone they threw to make them "look" there better now.

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