Trivia Tuesday: Some facts about software piracy

Piracy is always a problem for content creators around the world, with many people feeling that the right way to get content is the free (and also illegal) way. Companies have tried to stop pirates through a number of methods, including Digital Rights Management (DRM) and massive lawsuits but also through offering bonuses to legitimate customers.

This Trivia Tuesday I tried to find as many facts as I could on piracy; check them out below.

Definition of piracy: the unauthorized use or reproduction of another’s work (from the Oxford Dictionary).

The United States of America has the lowest rate of piracy of any country in the world, with just 20% of all installed software having been pirated. The estimated commercial value of this software is $9.5 billion.

42% is the worldwide software piracy rate. Per region, this number is larger in developing nations such as China (78%), Algeria (83%) and Georgia (93%) compared to “first-world” nations such as the USA (20%), UK (27%), Australia (24%) and Germany (27%).

$58.8 billion is the estimated commercial value of all pirated software worldwide. The United States alone makes up 16% of this figure.

The previous three statistics come from the BSA/IDC 2010 Global Software Piracy Study. It is unclear exactly how accurate the testing methods are for this study, but it is one of the few global studies that attempt to measure the effects of piracy.

Did you know that Windows XP, on average, had more illegal downloads at any given time than Windows 7 in 2011? This is according to this interesting infographic, which also claims that both Mac OS X Lion and Snow Leopard were being pirated more at any given time.

Adobe Photoshop is one of the most pirated pieces of software worldwide. The potential revenue loss for Adobe in one day due to Photoshop piracy is estimated at $18.7 million as each copy is worth $999.

4 million torrents were hosted on The Pirate Bay before they switched to serving just Magnet links on February 29, 2012. If each torrent file was approximately 20 kB, by switching to Magnet links they would have saved around 80 GB of space.

The Pirate Bay is a very controversial website

99% of torrents contain illegal material. This is based on three sources: a University of Ballarat study that concluded 0.3% of BitTorrent files are confirmed to be legal; a Princeton study concluded that 99% of torrents are illegal; and my own (rough) research that placed 16,800 legal torrents against 11.70 million in total to give a figure of 99.86% illegal.

13,948.88 TB is the total amount of content available through isoHunt’s indexed torrents. If 99% of this is illegal then they index 13.8 PB of copyright infringing material.

Copyright infringement is not theft, as codified in laws across many nations. Theft falls under criminal law in most circumstances, whereas copyright infringement falls under civil law. Theft also sees the original owner deprived of the use of the item in question, which is not the case for copyright infringement.

Did you know that in May 2011, 24,583 people were targeted in a lawsuit for downloading The Hurt Locker via BitTorrent? Later this case was completely dismissed because the plaintiff could not collect enough evidence in time to properly bring all the people to court.

Ubisoft’s game DRM is perhaps one of the most controversial methods to stop piracy. It requires PC gamers to be constantly connected to Ubisoft’s servers to progress in the games, and was seen originally in Assassin’s Creed II. While it was originally successful, it was “cracked” by PC release group Skidrow several weeks after release.

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I was reading the article but couldn't continue taking it seriously when I got up to

"99% of torrents contain illegal material. This is based on three sources: a University of Ballarat study"

Sounds awfully like the study turrentfreak labeled completely incompetent, you know there's something wrong when their top 10 list of seeded movies has a movie from 1995 in it.

http://torrentfreak.com/incomp...rchers-strike-again-101211/
http://torrentfreak.com/tech-n...orrent-piracy-study-100724/

awergh said,
I was reading the article but couldn't continue taking it seriously when I got up to

"99% of torrents contain illegal material. This is based on three sources: a University of Ballarat study"

Sounds awfully like the study turrentfreak labeled completely incompetent, you know there's something wrong when their top 10 list of seeded movies has a movie from 1995 in it.

http://torrentfreak.com/incomp...rchers-strike-again-101211/
http://torrentfreak.com/tech-n...orrent-piracy-study-100724/

I still believe the fact that torrents are 99% regardless of torrenfreak's stupid argument. I don't know a SINGLE person who's used torrents for anything legit other than perhaps one or two people who once seeded a linux distro off of it. Torrents pretty much exist to share paid software, films etc. That's how it is, and you posting a bunch of crap from a site that spends it's time posting about torrents is not really going to change anyone's opinion. In fact, I'm sure the only people who want to hear how little it's used for piracy are the pirates themselves to give them a warm feeling inside.

If PhotoShop wasn't so expensive, more people would buy it.
IF they sold it for $10, think of how many people would actually buy it.

Brian Miller said,
If PhotoShop wasn't so expensive, more people would buy it.
IF they sold it for $10, think of how many people would actually buy it.

they sell adobe software for 10 dollars in the apps store for apple and android.. I think they are pulling them soon because so few people actually bought it that it is not worth it to keep it out there..

Brian Miller said,
If PhotoShop wasn't so expensive, more people would buy it.
IF they sold it for $10, think of how many people would actually buy it.

Not enough to cover what they make now. Millions and millions of people buy it already. Because it's 100% worth every single cent that it costs.

"which also claims that both Mac OS X Lion and Snow Leopard were being pirated more at any given time"
I got a macbook, it came with a licensed upgrade of snow leopard but the discs only for leopard, so I got a torrent of snow leopard, pretty sure that's legal (or should be)

Its **** like this that will end up with us just being tiny biological organisms bickering back and forth "MINE!, MINE! MINE!" when an asteroid blows this planet out of existence. How about everyone just shut the **** up, and start working together as a unified planet to move the entire human race forwards. We're just STARTING to see the potential of technology and we're too focused on "who's movie this is, and who's software this is", "NO YOU CAN'T USE THAT TO HELP THE HUMAN RACE MOVE FORWARDS, I OWN IT AND YOU HAVE NOT PAID TO BORROW A COPY".

We should be at a point by now that we're working together instead of against each other. We need to figure out

A) How to live forever.

B) How to get off this dirtball reliably.

C) Where we are going once we're off this dirtball.

D) How to protect this dirtball if **** hits the fan.

The Stark said,
I've already posted this link a few weeks ago, but this is why piracy exists:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

Lower the prices, and make the content available everywhere and at the same time. Pure profit.

Indeed. I would wager when Spotify was released music piracy went down a lot in Europe. Of course media companies won't release those figures. It's ridiculous that an entire industry can be so adamantly holding on to their old ways that they spent millions on that instead of rolling with the times and selling people what they actually want.

http://minimalmac.com/post/18189678921/tv-is-broken is a good article on how todays kids might view TV.

LOL Adobe deserve this. Even their Photoshop Elements is overpriced, let alone the full Photoshop or Creative Suite. Paint.NET FTW.

xpclient said,
LOL Adobe deserve this. Even their Photoshop Elements is overpriced, let alone the full Photoshop or Creative Suite. Paint.NET FTW.

Spoken like a true NON professional. Adobe don't deserve this, and please for the love of hell, keep using your crap clone software that does no where near the level of things that Photoshop does, and what it does do, does poorly. What a dumb post you made.

It is all about a lack of ethics. Sadly the majority of people don't see anything wrong with piracy or stealing. If they did have ethics, then they would not conduct those activities.

Adobe Photoshop is one of the most pirated pieces of software worldwide. The potential revenue loss for Adobe in one day due to Photoshop piracy is estimated at $18.7 million as each copy is worth $999.

You can't emphasis "potential" enough here. At the price this software is sold only the professional making money using this software can can justify the price. Most of the people pirating it would simply not buy it.

LaP said,

You can't emphasis "potential" enough here. At the price this software is sold only the professional making money using this software can can justify the price. Most of the people pirating it would simply not buy it.

You're right So they shouldn't have it. This is the basic argument here.

I could convince myself I am not going to buy it, so I therefore am allowed to rip it off. But that's insane.

I REALLY am not going to buy that cinema ticket, but I'd still like to watch the film in the cinema... so I tell you what, I'll just slide in behind someone else and sneak in, and watch it for free.

That way, I'm not taking anything physical, but I still watch it. Just a copy of it that is playing anyway, so who cares yea? NO situation, wether it's a copy off of the internet, a sneaking into the cinema, or a car being stolen from someone's driveway, is any different. Taking something that is not your right is stealing. There's no difference.

I used to pirate softwares and then I realized I am not stealing from the big guys, I am stealing money from the developers who spend all of their time converting caffeine into lines of code.

Without piracy Adobe would be a tiny company. You forget that at least some of the people who has pirated stuff, actually goes on to buy it. Those sales would not have happened if there was no piracy.

Frankenchrist said,
Without piracy Adobe would be a tiny company. You forget that at least some of the people who has pirated stuff, actually goes on to buy it. Those sales would not have happened if there was no piracy.

Yeah, and without piracy Apple would be tiny. Uh huh. Whatever. That's ludicrous. lol

Spirit Dave said,

Yeah, and without piracy Apple would be tiny. Uh huh. Whatever. That's ludicrous. lol


Apple sells hardware, Adobe sells software. There IS a difference you know...

FYI photoshop is not 999 bucks. there are various versions of it and the most common one runs around 500-600 bucks depending on where you get it. And this isn't the upgrade version. We're talking full version. adobe even runs promotions now and then where you can get it for as little as 450 dollars.

for a graphics/photographer professional this is actualy extremelly cheap and the ROI is huge since you can keep using it for years and only upgrade when there is a feature that will make you money or save you time.

neonspark said,
FYI photoshop is not 999 bucks. there are various versions of it and the most common one runs around 500-600 bucks depending on where you get it. And this isn't the upgrade version. We're talking full version. adobe even runs promotions now and then where you can get it for as little as 450 dollars.

for a graphics/photographer professional this is actualy extremelly cheap and the ROI is huge since you can keep using it for years and only upgrade when there is a feature that will make you money or save you time.


Actually it is on Adobes website. Go to Adobes website, Photoshop CS5 Extended Full Business version is $999. These places that report piracy and such seem to always use the highest price possible to add extra shock value and inflate the dollar amounts of what is pirated. Of course we all know you can get it cheaper elsewhere.

I highly doubt most people who pirate Photoshop are graphics/photographer profesionnal. Most people who pirate this are random joe who need to use Photoshop cause most guide on the net are based on Photoshop. The software has become a standard like MS Office. For most people pirating it Paintshop Pro (or even in many case Paint.net) would do the job for much much less money.

Not surprising at, without software piracy our(my country ) economy would fall. When content isn't made available piracy is the only option left.

yowanvista said,
Not surprising at, without software piracy our(my country ) economy would fall. When content isn't made available piracy is the only option left.

No, not having it is a perfectly reasonable option.

The point about XP is quite understandable since you can no longer just walk into a store and purchase a copy of XP even if you wanted to. Yes, you can buy a used copy or an OEM copy, either of which is potentially a violation of the license agreement, but even sources of those are starting to dry up.

Oh, and if 20% of US software is pirated, and US piracy makes up 16% of global piracy, then the legal software in the US makes up 64% of legal global software installations!

roadwarrior said,
The point about XP is quite understandable since you can no longer just walk into a store and purchase a copy of XP even if you wanted to. Yes, you can buy a used copy or an OEM copy, either of which is potentially a violation of the license agreement, but even sources of those are starting to dry up.

Oh, and if 20% of US software is pirated, and US piracy makes up 16% of global piracy, then the legal software in the US makes up 64% of legal global software installations!

buying XP lol. who'd want that POS.

I'm glad the article made a distinction between copyright infringement and "theft". I completely and utterly disagree with the notion that pirating something is the same as stealing it.

Kushan said,
I'm glad the article made a distinction between copyright infringement and "theft". I completely and utterly disagree with the notion that pirating something is the same as stealing it.

Because you're a pirate right?

If you take and don't pay when you're supposed to, I don't give a s**t what the official terms are, it's stealing. It's unfair on the rest of us that have paid for this stuff.

Kushan said,
I'm glad the article made a distinction between copyright infringement and "theft". I completely and utterly disagree with the notion that pirating something is the same as stealing it.

No, it's still stealing... lol

Spirit Dave said,
If you take and don't pay when you're supposed to, I don't give a s**t what the official terms are, it's stealing. It's unfair on the rest of us that have paid for this stuff.

The problem with your statement is that people are not "taking" and not paying - they're copying and not paying. "Taking" implies that you have removed something, and that would indeed be stealing. Copying is just copying: the only thing you have deprived someone of is the ability to artificially limit the number of copies in circulation.

I'm curious about your other statement: how is it unfair to those who paid? Does it somehow diminish the copy that you have, or make your copy less usable?

Kushan said,
I'm glad the article made a distinction between copyright infringement and "theft". I completely and utterly disagree with the notion that pirating something is the same as stealing it.

you're like those guys on "bait car" that steal a car and then get caught on camera claiming they were just "moving it".

Ledgem said,

The problem with your statement is that people are not "taking" and not paying - they're copying and not paying. "Taking" implies that you have removed something, and that would indeed be stealing. Copying is just copying: the only thing you have deprived someone of is the ability to artificially limit the number of copies in circulation.

I'm curious about your other statement: how is it unfair to those who paid? Does it somehow diminish the copy that you have, or make your copy less usable?

Oh my God, are you entirely serious?! Fine ... they copied. They still have the use of something they're not freaking well entitled to. Do you not see how morally corrupt that is? Of course not. You wouldn't.

And you're curious? How? The fact that I worked my ass off, paid for software that I wanted, and a ton of little scumbags decided they didn't want to work for it and save the money up (believe me ... I don't just drop the cash for software like that, I have to save too), so they just took a copy of it. That's unfair. Don't bring stupid arguments up because you want to justify that you pirate stuff. I'm sick of little tools like these idiots stealing this stuff. Stealing = having something you are not entitled to. Photoshop = commercial paid software. Pirating Photoshop = not paying for the product. It kinda sickens me that this site is so filled with morally corrupt fools.

Spirit Dave said,

Oh my God, are you entirely serious?! Fine ... they copied. They still have the use of something they're not freaking well entitled to. Do you not see how morally corrupt that is? Of course not. You wouldn't.

So recording a television or radio broadcast, or sharing a book, movie, or music cd with a friend is "morally corrupt"? Watch out people! we're being morally corrupted here LOL. Seriously, how can you write this utter nonsense without exploding with laughter? Or do you really believe it? Because if you do, you have my sympathies.
Spirit Dave said,

It kinda sickens me that this site is so filled with morally corrupt fools.

Why don't you join the church? Then you can preach your piety to the converted all day long

Edited by simplezz, Mar 6 2012, 3:56pm :

Spirit Dave said,

Oh my God, are you entirely serious?! Fine ... they copied. They still have the use of something they're not freaking well entitled to. Do you not see how morally corrupt that is? Of course not. You wouldn't.

No one is hurt, someone is just butt hurt...

Kushan said,
I'm glad the article made a distinction between copyright infringement and "theft". I completely and utterly disagree with the notion that pirating something is the same as stealing it.

Who cares what the exact correct term is, the fact is that someone had to make that music/film/software for their job, and pirates use it without paying.

If you think that photoshop is too expensive or you don't like the restrictions on a dvd or game, then don't buy it, or buy an alternative.

simplezz said,

So recording a television or radio broadcast, or sharing a book, movie, or music cd with a friend is "morally corrupt"? Watch out people! we're being morally corrupted here LOL. Seriously, how can you write this utter nonsense without exploding with laughter? Or do you really believe it? Because if you do, you have my sympathies.

Why don't you join the church? Then you can preach your piety to the converted all day long

I don't understand why religion has anything to do with this thread. And neither do you. Please try not to fail like this again.

I think the high level of piracy of Photoshop is just due to the name, if people want to manipulate images in a way that the standard Microsoft software can do (i.e. Paint) then the first thing they search for is Photoshop, then they see how much it is and find another way of getting it, even though all they want is the red eye removal or something.

Not enough people know of good alternatives such as GIMP

bushbrother said,

Not enough people know of good alternatives such as GIMP

That's very true. I much prefer The GIMP to Photoshop.

Interesting stats. Piracy can be a good thing in some circumstances. A couple of examples:

If I hadn't downloaded cracked software 10-12 years ago whilst I was still at school, I'd have never had the benefit of learning what I now know. I now work in the IT industry and have more than paid back what I may have 'stolen' many years ago.

The same now goes for developing countries. 90% of software in Bangladesh is pirated. Do the copyright owners REALLY think that those are lost sales? When someone earns $1000 a year, are they able to spend $300 on a legitimate copy on Windows? Obviously not and never will. However, piracy releases the software and tools out there to many impoverished people and can provide them with the skill sets to actually lead them out of poverty. Living in Asia now, I have seen this first hand.

JohnnyLemonhead said,
Interesting stats. Piracy can be a good thing in some circumstances. A couple of examples:

If I hadn't downloaded cracked software 10-12 years ago whilst I was still at school, I'd have never had the benefit of learning what I now know. I now work in the IT industry and have more than paid back what I may have 'stolen' many years ago.

The same now goes for developing countries. 90% of software in Bangladesh is pirated. Do the copyright owners REALLY think that those are lost sales? When someone earns $1000 a year, are they able to spend $300 on a legitimate copy on Windows? Obviously not and never will. However, piracy releases the software and tools out there to many impoverished people and can provide them with the skill sets to actually lead them out of poverty. Living in Asia now, I have seen this first hand.

every big piece of softwar has educational discounts. they also offer discounts to institutions that cover their students. your argument holds little water.

JohnnyLemonhead said,
Interesting stats. Piracy can be a good thing in some circumstances. A couple of examples:

If I hadn't downloaded cracked software 10-12 years ago whilst I was still at school, I'd have never had the benefit of learning what I now know. I now work in the IT industry and have more than paid back what I may have 'stolen' many years ago.

The same now goes for developing countries. 90% of software in Bangladesh is pirated. Do the copyright owners REALLY think that those are lost sales? When someone earns $1000 a year, are they able to spend $300 on a legitimate copy on Windows? Obviously not and never will. However, piracy releases the software and tools out there to many impoverished people and can provide them with the skill sets to actually lead them out of poverty. Living in Asia now, I have seen this first hand.

But theres another bad aspect of it. Believe me, perhaps 99.9% (may be even 100%) of professional photo studios in the Metro City of Kolkata uses pirated version of Photoshop. Funny thing is that you don't even have to be a geek to download and install a pirated version of photoshop. Spend Rs 50 (Approx $1) and you will get a dvd of pirated photoshop. In fact there are many well furnished shops in the city whose only business is selling pirated softwares and games. And this has got nothing to do with education or anything. The general perception is If I am getting it for free, why should I buy the original...

I can believe that about Photoshop, but the reality is it isn't any lost revenue to Adobe as the people that pirate it simply wouldn't buy it. I think that can also be carried over for quite a bit of professional software that the average user just could not afford even if they wanted it.

b_roca said,
I can believe that about Photoshop, but the reality is it isn't any lost revenue to Adobe as the people that pirate it simply wouldn't buy it. I think that can also be carried over for quite a bit of professional software that the average user just could not afford even if they wanted it.

They wouldn't buy it ? So they shouldn't have it. End of.

Spirit Dave said,

They wouldn't buy it ? So they shouldn't have it. End of.

well said. if you were a plumber and didn't have a truck and tools, you shouldn't be in the business of plumbing. stealing a truck and tools just to set up your business is not justified in any way. why should photoshop be treated any different than plumbers tools? You earn a living with it, then pay up. If you just want to mess with images, download free gimp.

b_roca said,
I can believe that about Photoshop, but the reality is it isn't any lost revenue to Adobe as the people that pirate it simply wouldn't buy it. I think that can also be carried over for quite a bit of professional software that the average user just could not afford even if they wanted it.

Actually the real benefit to Adobe is that the same people who learn with a pirated Creative Suite may be the same people who go work in the media or entertainment industry and guess what software will be bought for them to use?

The real crime is how Adobe can sell such a poorly executed suite of programs for so much money. The "industry standard" is full of bugs, full of user interface flaws, goes against all OS conventions (especially on the Mac) and some of it is downright awful software (like the Flash IDE for example). Sadly most of the competition isn't any better.

Pixelmator is IMO the only thing that could grow into a true competitor with time. Yes, it borrows the Photoshop UI - that was actually the bit Adobe got right in the beginning, they've simply squandered it by implementing new features in a very awkward way and by the time they made the whole thing run on Flash/Air based crap they were already in the ******. They have brilliant people working on algorithms for all kinds of stuff, but terrible UI designers.

LaXu said,

Actually the real benefit to Adobe is that the same people who learn with a pirated Creative Suite may be the same people who go work in the media or entertainment industry and guess what software will be bought for them to use?

The real crime is how Adobe can sell such a poorly executed suite of programs for so much money. The "industry standard" is full of bugs, full of user interface flaws, goes against all OS conventions (especially on the Mac) and some of it is downright awful software (like the Flash IDE for example). Sadly most of the competition isn't any better.

Pixelmator is IMO the only thing that could grow into a true competitor with time. Yes, it borrows the Photoshop UI - that was actually the bit Adobe got right in the beginning, they've simply squandered it by implementing new features in a very awkward way and by the time they made the whole thing run on Flash/Air based crap they were already in the ******. They have brilliant people working on algorithms for all kinds of stuff, but terrible UI designers.

Adobe's software is a monster though and hands down ruins the competition, even with it's bugs and inconsistencies. I don't believe every Adobe app is better, but Photoshop and Illustrator is. And for anyone who disagrees, I'd like to ask them to spend over a decade working professionally with them, and over that time trying every bit of software that comes along to compete. You'll go back to Adobe every time. As I have. Pixelmator is great for what it is ... hands down the nicest alternative. But it's a consumer level product. It's the best consumer level product if you ask me. It's so well put together. But it's not a rival to Photoshop in a serious way. They don't have the same resources Adobe has. Adobe lead the way with their big two if you ask me.

Adobe Photoshop is one of the most pirated pieces of software worldwide. The potential revenue loss for Adobe in one day due to Photoshop piracy is estimated at $18.7 million as each copy is worth $999.
If you're going to price your software like that then you shouldn't be surprised when people illegally get hold of it. Note that I'm not siding with piracy, I'm just saying Adobe shouldn't be surprised.

Intrinsica said,
If you're going to price your software like that then you shouldn't be surprised when people illegally get hold of it. Note that I'm not siding with piracy, I'm just saying Adobe shouldn't be surprised.

Well said, however I'll respectfully disagree with your second sentence there

Intrinsica said,
If you're going to price your software like that then you shouldn't be surprised when people illegally get hold of it. Note that I'm not siding with piracy, I'm just saying Adobe shouldn't be surprised.

This.

Intrinsica said,
If you're going to price your software like that then you shouldn't be surprised when people illegally get hold of it. Note that I'm not siding with piracy, I'm just saying Adobe shouldn't be surprised.

Well, I'm not sure how many people buy it individually like that instead of getting the full Creative Suite, which is a better value.

Another thing about professional software is that it's going to pay for itself eventually. I made back what I paid for Creative Suite pretty fast. I don't think Adobe is pricing Photoshop to be something everyone needs to buy, because they have other products priced more reasonably for general consumer purposes.

Enron said,
Another thing about professional software is that it's going to pay for itself eventually.

That's only if you're a business, in which case you should be buying it.

Intrinsica said,
If you're going to price your software like that then you shouldn't be surprised when people illegally get hold of it. Note that I'm not siding with piracy, I'm just saying Adobe shouldn't be surprised.

Hah ... Photoshop is CHEAP. Do you have ANY idea how much money even a single freelancer makes over the course of the couple or three years they use Photoshop for? If you don't like the price as you're not using it for commercial use, buy an alternative. There's plenty out there.

Photoshop is a commercial product. There's plenty of cheaper apps out there that do a great job. Nothing's as powerful as Photoshop, but none of the non-commercial users need that power. I don't think the price issue can ever be justified. It's a really tired and pointless argument that holds zero ground.

Spirit Dave said,

Hah ... Photoshop is CHEAP. Do you have ANY idea how much money even a single freelancer makes over the course of the couple or three years they use Photoshop for? If you don't like the price as you're not using it for commercial use, buy an alternative. There's plenty out there.

Photoshop is a commercial product. There's plenty of cheaper apps out there that do a great job. Nothing's as powerful as Photoshop, but none of the non-commercial users need that power. I don't think the price issue can ever be justified. It's a really tired and pointless argument that holds zero ground.

I agree and disagree with what you have to say. But how does one learn Photoshop in the first place to eventually go commercial?

UndergroundWire said,

I agree and disagree with what you have to say. But how does one learn Photoshop in the first place to eventually go commercial?

Photoshop is just a tool. I got my first job in the games industry with zero 3dsmax experience. Yet within a week, I was working on 3D art. I'd experienced enough previous apps to know the basics and concepts of creating with the tools supplied. You do NOT need to know how to use Photoshop to get commercial.

I put it like this... you learn to walk, and that allows you to move up to running.

Learn with free or low cost tools, and you'll very quickly get into Photoshop when you go commercial. Remember, your future employer doesn't care about the tools you use as much as the quality of your design / art. I can assure you of that. I've been a commercial artist/designer for over 12 years now.

UndergroundWire said,

I agree and disagree with what you have to say. But how does one learn Photoshop in the first place to eventually go commercial?

Educational discounts. I was able to get Photoshop (and Creative Suite) for $200 in college. Compared to what they charge for textbooks, that's a steal.

Spirit Dave said,

Photoshop is just a tool. I got my first job in the games industry with zero 3dsmax experience. Yet within a week, I was working on 3D art. I'd experienced enough previous apps to know the basics and concepts of creating with the tools supplied. You do NOT need to know how to use Photoshop to get commercial.

I put it like this... you learn to walk, and that allows you to move up to running.

Learn with free or low cost tools, and you'll very quickly get into Photoshop when you go commercial. Remember, your future employer doesn't care about the tools you use as much as the quality of your design / art. I can assure you of that. I've been a commercial artist/designer for over 12 years now.

I understand what you are saying, but here is the thing, if I can get it pirated, I will learn from that one instead.

Sure, I can get Paint.Net for my personal use and that will just be fine but let me work with Photoshop to gain the knowledge so I can go into marketing my services eventually.

Enron said,

Educational discounts. I was able to get Photoshop (and Creative Suite) for $200 in college. Compared to what they charge for textbooks, that's a steal.

I'm not disagreeing with you but not everyone knows about these things or are in college. If I wanted to do web design now as a part-time gig, I don't need to go to college for that if i can learn it on my own.

Just playing devil's advocate. Bottom line, piracy will always exist.

Spirit Dave said,

Hah ... Photoshop is CHEAP. <snip> If you don't like the price as you're not using it for commercial use, buy an alternative. There's plenty out there.

Photoshop is a commercial product. There's plenty of cheaper apps out there that do a great job. Nothing's as powerful as Photoshop, but none of the non-commercial users need that power. I don't think the price issue can ever be justified. It's a really tired and pointless argument that holds zero ground.

Yea, If you're not doing something to get paid, you should be happy to settle for a lesser product!

You know, I love using **** software for my personal uses. I have absolutely no standards in my life, so I'm good with junk results.

/sarcasm

Kelxin said,

Yea, If you're not doing something to get paid, you should be happy to settle for a lesser product!

You know, I love using **** software for my personal uses. I have absolutely no standards in my life, so I'm good with junk results.

/sarcasm

Good point, you should be able to use things that other people make for free. Its your right as a consumer.

/sarcasm

You have to start somewhere. Can't expect to have all the best tools at the start. It's like Gran Turismo, you start with a crappy car and work your way up.

UndergroundWire said,

I agree and disagree with what you have to say. But how does one learn Photoshop in the first place to eventually go commercial?

Just play with it for a while, there are classes and such, but I always learn new stuff better simply playing with it.

BumbleBritches57 said,

Just play with it for a while, there are classes and such, but I always learn new stuff better simply playing with it.

Which means you gotta pirate it at first.

UndergroundWire said,

I'm not disagreeing with you but not everyone knows about these things or are in college. If I wanted to do web design now as a part-time gig, I don't need to go to college for that if i can learn it on my own.

Just playing devil's advocate. Bottom line, piracy will always exist.

Yeah, but it's the sheer level of piracy that worries me. Sure, pirates always bring up the age old "Yeah, but back in the day there was tape swapping etc" .... But they forget that tape swapping meant maybe piracy at 1% of what it is now. Everyone has the internet and within minutes can be pirating up to millions of dollars worth of content. I do not see how people can think they have any right, but all these pirates here on this site and beyond all have the same f**ked up moral compass, and they have convinced themselves it's absolutely fine to do it. They probably truly now believe that they have the right to rip hard working people off. The internet has bred a lot of thieving little as**oles. I'm quite sickened by it. You know what? At least these people could say "Fine, I know I'm a thieving scumbag... it's true, I'm a lowlife" ... because they know it's true. Especially for someone like me who's made digital content. You know these same morons pirating from massive film studios are 99% of the time also pirating apps costing 99c ... they don't pirate because they can't afford it. Most pirates just take because they can and they simply feel they're above paying. It's really twisted. And I bet they all think they're morally sound and upstanding members of their community.

I get what you're saying, and I agree with you, but it's like this - if somebody stands on a street corner and shouts "free ice cream" you're going to go and get some. You might pause and consider why it's free, but in the end it's ice cream, and it's free.

Pretty good article, however I expected more of a punch line, a conclusion or something like that...

Maybe that's just me.
Anyhow, I'm always looking forward to Trivia Tuesdays.
Those are among the very best articles released by Neowin.

GS:ios

Edited by Glassed Silver, Mar 6 2012, 6:33pm :

Glassed Silver said,

Anyhow, I'm always looking forward to Trivia Tuesdays.
Those are among the very best articles released by Neowin.

GS:ios

I agree 100%

Spirit Dave said,

Huh? Explain why?

Because these days Pirates get a better experience than paying customers.

DRM that requires you on the Internet? Not for pirates

Half an hour of unskippable commercials on a DVD? Not for pirates.

Have to wait until Hollywood releases their movie in your area? Not for pirates.

McKay said,

Because these days Pirates get a better experience than paying customers.
DRM that requires you on the Internet? Not for pirates
Half an hour of unskippable commercials on a DVD? Not for pirates.
Have to wait until Hollywood releases their movie in your area? Not for pirates.

Exactly, file-sharing is just an expression of dissatisfaction with the current market. It's easier to find, download, and access shared content than hollywood content.

simplezz said,

Exactly, file-sharing is just an expression of dissatisfaction with the current market. It's easier to find, download, and access shared content than hollywood content.

If you are "dissatisfied with the market" then you should simply not consume that product. You don't have a legal right to all the music/film etc. that you want.

Martin5000 said,

If you are "dissatisfied with the market" then you should simply not consume that product. You don't have a legal right to all the music/film etc. that you want.

It's absolutely a service issue, i'm not dissatisfied with the content, just the hoops i have to jump through just so i can be a legitimate paying customer.

I have a BD-Drive in my PC, and recently, my HDCP support with the software I use has gone completely crazy and won't play any BDs (unless i use AnyDVD). Do you think this is fair, i don't need HDCP for illegally downloaded movies, so what the bloody hell is the point of this?

Before anybody starts saying 'on that's not the BD, that's probably your GPU drivers, or the software' this may be true but completely irrelevant. If my REAL BD didn't have to go through these checks i wouldn't have any issues.

sorry, had to get that off my chest somehow, because it really ****es me off this sort of crap

McKay said,

Because these days Pirates get a better experience than paying customers.

DRM that requires you on the Internet? Not for pirates

Half an hour of unskippable commercials on a DVD? Not for pirates.

Have to wait until Hollywood releases their movie in your area? Not for pirates.

Uh ... I buy everything I use ... DRM hasn't ONCE gotten in the way. Big deal, you have to put a code in... Big deal, you have to watch a couple of ads (30 mins of unstoppable ads ? No. Never happened). Not having to wait for a release?

Seriously, these are your reasons why piracy is good? "Oh, I don't like the system so I'll rip it off".

You morons make me laugh with your lack of moral compass.

Spirit Dave said,

Uh ... I buy everything I use ... DRM hasn't ONCE gotten in the way. Big deal, you have to put a code in... Big deal, you have to watch a couple of ads (30 mins of unstoppable ads ? No. Never happened). Not having to wait for a release?

Seriously, these are your reasons why piracy is good? "Oh, I don't like the system so I'll rip it off".

You morons make me laugh with your lack of moral compass.

I don't have a problem with putting a code in, I have a problem when DRM actually degrades gaming performance, when I have to be constantly connected to the Internet just to play the game I legally bought offline. If I lose connection it cuts me off without letting me save. I don't pirate my things, I legally buy them.

However I will rip movies onto my hard drive to bypass the unskippable copyright warnings and commercials. I buy my music on iTunes. I remove DRM from my games and remove the "constantly connected" requirement. I burn all my physical cd's onto my computer.

Until recently putting my music and movies onto my computer was illegal. I'm just pointing out how stupid it is that paying customers get a worse experience than pirates. It's madness.