Turkey bans YouTube, again

Under one week ago, news came that Turkey had reinstated access to YouTube after videos containing offensive material were removed. The access didn't last long as a video was posted that was a " naughty clip of an opposition politician in a hotel bedroom with a female party member," The Register reports.

The original offensive videos appeared to be falsely removed under copyright infringement claims. But, YouTube later added the videos back to the sharing site after the videos were found not to infringe on any copyrights.

Regarding the removed videos, YouTube had this to say, "When we looked into this, we found the videos were not, in fact, copyright-infringing, so we have put them back up, though they continue to be restricted within Turkey. We hope very much that our users in Turkey can continue to enjoy YouTube."

YouTube has tried to keep their site available and working within Turkey law, however, a court in Ankara ruled that access to the website should be blocked again by Turkey's telecoms ministry.

Turkey has been abusing their Internet laws as other Google services such as Google Docs, Google Books, and Google Translate all have been blocked as well, reportedly as an extension of the YouTube blocking action. The law was originally developed to protect children against pornographic and harmful content, but has been abused to censor the internet.

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And turkey wants to be in the EU?! Countries that restrict the freedom of it's citizens like this should never be allowed to join the EU!

Actually ""A naughty clip of an opposition politician in a hotel bedroom with a female party member" can be easily removed by Youtube due to "nudity" and "privacy rights" and really you must be mad to think about those offenses as "freedom of speech" anyway...

hey guys, this comment is a long one. and contains thoughts of a Turkish technology editor. so, if you don't want to read a long comment, skip this one.

in Turkey, our minister who in charge of internet and communication is old fashioned type. he actually in chage of communications and transportation of whole country. he had a project about a train line between Ankara-Istanbul. that project fell down because of the train accidents. i'm trying to say that minister hasn't any skill of being minister.

let me continue. that minister (Binali Yildirim) don't know the name of the modems. once a time in a technology expo he mentioned the modems with "that thingamabobs which connect us to the internet". imagine the rest of his knowledge.

unfortunately he is in charge of internet. also he is a member of our prime minister's political party. name of the party is AKP. that pary is known as islamic democrat. we can say that they dislike Ataturk and republic. they more like islamic fascist. and they are embarrassing Turkish people to the world like this situation.

what can i say about the ban. you can not believe which sites are blocked in Turkey. there are so many. some of them banned for tax issues. some of them banned for stupid purposes. but there is no inspection/supervision for the banned sites. let me give you a ironic example; i can access the grooveshark but my friend can't. our government is unstable like they are obscurant.

but i'm hopeful. there are so many (really, soo many) wisdom young person in here. and we have so many active groups for protestation. one day our obscurant ministers get up from their chair and walk out from the house of parliament and never come back.

problem isn't related with Turkey as country. it is related with our "current" government. and we all know these people cannot stay as government forever.

thanks a lot if you read the all and didn't say "tl:dr" to me

akhunak said,
problem isn't related with Turkey as country. it is related with our "current" government. and we all know these people cannot stay as government forever.

Yes they can. They seem to be converting the state to dictatorship with idiocracy over religion

akhunak said,
hey guys, this comment is a long one. and contains thoughts of a Turkish technology editor. so, if you don't want to read a long comment, skip this one.

/snip

thanks a lot if you read the all and didn't say "tl:dr" to me

Thank you for your explanation! Hope the majority of the Turks feel the same as you. I am a bit worried bout the religious development in Turkey, but the same goes for America. Sorry for the simple comments made here. Most people probably complain bout the Turkish government, not the Turks. But the again this government was voted by the Turks.

Borix said,

Thank you for your explanation! Hope the majority of the Turks feel the same as you. I am a bit worried bout the religious development in Turkey, but the same goes for America. Sorry for the simple comments made here. Most people probably complain bout the Turkish government, not the Turks. But the again this government was voted by the Turks.

you are welcome Borix . and yes, you're right. this government was voted by the Turks. but as you know, Turkey is a mixed country with europe and asia (which is called 'anatolia').

there are so many poor people (with politically; voter) in anatolia. AKP (Erdogan's party) collected their votes by using the religion. they did some kind a exploitation. eventually AKP became a political party who "care" society. but their mentality is clearly 'exploit the society'.

in Turkey, there are so many uncultured people. it's true. they can easily sell their vote just for a food or money or anything what they need. they don't consider causation. in here there are 35 million people who connect internet everyday. and believe me, most of them are using internet just for chatting with a female. because of that, these people don't mind youtube banned or not. they just want to chat with women. you can look for the russian or estonian friendship sites. there are so many turkish member in these sites.

this (our nonsenses) has to be change... otherwise we (Turkey) will keep continue to give reasons for laugh to the world. and all of you right until the end about laughing us.

ps: only reason i write long comments is i'm very loaded about this issue. thank you all (Neowin and this community).

good days! ( here is 4:52 am )

Eastwind said,

Yes they can. They seem to be converting the state to dictatorship with idiocracy over religion

exactly. but finally our opposition party started to work hard for being opposite. believe me, islamic law can't defeat constitution laws, can't defeat republic. they tried (fundamentalists) so many times. they failed. they always fail.

by the way, our governing party is not a fundamentalist party. they call themselves as "moderate islamic" or "islamic democrat". but still, meh. there shouldn't be an "islamic" in any polity.

Open content goes against society - or at least the society we are afforded by the people in power. How do you balance out the freedom of anonymous speech and information without encouraging a forum for the darkest forms of human society such as paedophiles.

The question is too big for one person, or even lone governments to decide but whats important is that we don't close ourselves or our people off from what we don't control 100%

Orange Battery said,
Open content goes against society - or at least the society we are afforded by the people in power. How do you balance out the freedom of anonymous speech and information without encouraging a forum for the darkest forms of human society such as paedophiles.

The question is too big for one person, or even lone governments to decide but whats important is that we don't close ourselves or our people off from what we don't control 100%

Well at least none of these bans realted to the goverment of Turkiye. It's the law here (the 1980's law)

YTZ said,

Well at least none of these bans realted to the goverment of Turkiye. It's the law here (the 1980's law)


The current government could get rid of the law, if they wished to; thus, this is the fault of the current government of Turkey.

Above all the information were mistaken. (like my english ) But the truth is; It is not about the Prime Minister or its way of ruling the whole country, or economy, or another countries opinion about us.

It!s just a politician who was the leader of an opposition party named CHP and resigned. He had to control his pants! Just because of him I and all Turkish people have to use Dns for Youtbe +++. There is phare for this situation: "Onun ceremesini biz cekiyoruz." means "he did what he did. we had the headache for it"

I just find most of these comments ridiculous.

Ataturk is the person who is known to have stood up against Islamitism in Turkey and founded a secular country. How can banning youtube have anything to do with Islam? Radical islamists hate Ataturk and it was them who started the rumors that Ataturk was a ****** and his mother was a prostitude.

The original law that caused the ban of Ataturk was actually made by the secularists three decades ago, which they thought defending Ataturk would help defendng the country against Islamists.

They must have some automatic script running on a computer that executes on just a click on a switch.
Seeing how often they switch on and off is getting just ridiculous.
Creepy heck, if it takes you months to allow it after you just banned it for some ridiculous crap, leave it off alltogether, the "inappropriate content" is going to pop in just as fast as you want to cut if off!
No point in activating access actually, right?

I mean... from >their< point of view.

GS:mac

You really have to laugh at anyone who based their government on religion. The greatest evil ever created by Man.

Foub said,
You really have to laugh at anyone who based their government on religion. The greatest evil ever created by Man.

So right. Just like America does.

Lets just face it... internet is not for islamic countries. They blocked youtube, don't care. How about simple human rights?

undu said,
With this kind of actions I hope this country doesn't get in the European Union.

America is all for Turkey to join the EU. Maybe they should add Turkey as a new state to the US

I don't live in Turkey, I live in the UK, however I think this is a bit fair that Turkish people don't get to see YouTube. It should be the viewers fault for what they view on the internet, not the Turkish governments. Anyway, I hear about Turkish people being able to use DNS, so here's some services you may be able to use (Configure them in your ipv4 settings on your OS/Router).

OpenDNS:
208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220

Google Public DNS:
8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4

BBgamer said,
I don't live in Turkey, I live in the UK, however I think this is a bit fair that Turkish people don't get to see YouTube. It should be the viewers fault for what they view on the internet, not the Turkish governments. Anyway, I hear about Turkish people being able to use DNS, so here's some services you may be able to use (Configure them in your ipv4 settings on your OS/Router).

OpenDNS:
208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220

Google Public DNS:
8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4


I don't understand why you think this is fair on the Turkish people?

The government are blocking YouTube because the dislike the idea of freedom of expression... that is not fair.

Wow, not that I agree with Turkey censoring the entire company, but it sucks that some jackass can ruin it for everyone else with one video post. What a jerk

thornz0 said,
Wow, not that I agree with Turkey censoring the entire company, but it sucks that some jackass can ruin it for everyone else with one video post. What a jerk

Yeah, what an idiot, trying to, you know, use freedom of expression and all...

What a bunch of Turkeys!

Now seriously I am so glad I live in a country where the internet is not filtered or censored.

xpablo said,
What a bunch of Turkeys!

Now seriously I am so glad I live in a country where the internet is not filtered or censored.

Should be "What a bunch of Turks!"

"A naughty clip of an opposition politician in a hotel bedroom with a female party member"

Turkish politics sound so much more interesting than ours.

@thatguyandrew1992 - Simply because they don't want. The state ruled by the Army for many years. Now with Erdogan as Prime Minister, "Erdoganism" Islamists coming up with the Power. So the Power changing hands but... From bad to worse... Or vice versa. Take it as you want it. The people of course is used to...

The Erdogan practically managed to weaken the power of Cosmopolitanism. Theoretically I do not know whether he succeed or not. The people stays as it was.


The real "Europhiles" in Turkey are very few.

Just wake up. Turkey maybe right now going somehow well at economic numbers but this doesn't mean at all they have position among the European States. Meanwhile the YouTube example is not so important according to many other issues.

The Government only cannot take this kind of decisions if the biggest part of Turkish People don't support them.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I don't know anything about Turkey, but why don't the people try and change the laws. Seems a bit ridiculous.

because islamofascism is a populist movement in turkey.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I don't know anything about Turkey, but why don't the people try and change the laws. Seems a bit ridiculous.

maybe because they can't... well actually, they could overthrow the government in a revolution but, that's not very practical.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I don't know anything about Turkey, but why don't the people try and change the laws. Seems a bit ridiculous.

Majority of the country is Islam, seriously what do you expect.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
I don't know anything about Turkey, but why don't the people try and change the laws. Seems a bit ridiculous.

I guess none of you know anything about Turkey. These laws are made by the military in 1980 after a military coups. They are made to protect Ataturk and therefore secularism (seperation between church and state) in Turkey.

The laws are just outdated and they don't belong to this century.

The world should just cut off any country trying to censor the internet, some magical button that cuts them off from anythin outside of turkey...thatll show em

Neoauld said,
The world should just cut off any country trying to censor the internet, some magical button that cuts them off from anythin outside of turkey...thatll show em

Ok, let's start with USA. :-P
USA has banned several videos from youtube, the difference is that US government have the power (and the right) to ban directly specific videos at whim.

Neoauld said,
The world should just cut off any country trying to censor the internet, some magical button that cuts them off from anythin outside of turkey...thatll show em
You'll be hard pressed to find a single civilized country that doesn't censor the net in some way.. I know most Western countries block sites on child pornography and the like that interpol finds and can't shut down..

Magallanes said,

Ok, let's start with USA. :-P
USA has banned several videos from youtube, the difference is that US government have the power (and the right) to ban directly specific videos at whim.

id be happy if americans werent on the net

Magallanes said,

Ok, let's start with USA. :-P
USA has banned several videos from youtube, the difference is that US government have the power (and the right) to ban directly specific videos at whim.

that's not really true... the government can't ban anything. It would be a violation of the first amendment. any videos that were banned, were banned by youtube.

Magallanes said,

Ok, let's start with USA. :-P
USA has banned several videos from youtube, the difference is that US government have the power (and the right) to ban directly specific videos at whim.

Source.

Brent1700 said,

that's not really true... the government can't ban anything. It would be a violation of the first amendment. any videos that were banned, were banned by youtube.

lol.

episode said,

Source.

google is your ally.

Magallanes said,

Ok, let's start with USA. :-P
USA has banned several videos from youtube, the difference is that US government have the power (and the right) to ban directly specific videos at whim.


Can you point me to a link that gives more details? I never heard of this.

Also, requiring a website to remove a video is much different from blocking an entire website for censorship.

Neoauld said,

id be happy if americans werent on the net


OK, we will take the internet WE AMERICANS INVENTED back and you can recreate your own. You won't have to deal with us anymore. Happy?

Trueblue711 said,

Can you point me to a link that gives more details? I never heard of this.

Also, requiring a website to remove a video is much different from blocking an entire website for censorship.


also, the only time the government would require a site to remove a video would be if it were like child porn or something like that.

Trueblue711 said,

Also, requiring a website to remove a video is much different from blocking an entire website for censorship.

How is it different?.

Anyways, under the USA Patriot Act, every amendment can be voided, if not, they also can use the DMCA as a "ban tools".

Magallanes said,

How is it different?.

Anyways, under the USA Patriot Act, every amendment can be voided, if not, they also can use the DMCA as a "ban tools".


do you even know what the patriot act and dmca are? The amendments can't be voided, ever. And the government can't use the dmca to takedown websites. The only sites the government can take down are those that provide illegal content... and, again. source?


did you read that wiki article? It doesn't say anything about the government itself blocking websites except the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act but that isn't law, it's a bill that was introduced but hasn't passed.

And on the Times artice, eNom, a private company that hosted the sites disabled them, not the government. They were never compelled to disable them.

Neoauld said,

id be happy if americans werent on the net

Fine, we'll take our root servers with us and build our own internet.

Oh wait.... we already DID that, but merely let other countries on it!

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

Actually, Tim Berners-Lee (the guy credited with inventing the internet) is British.
I'm not trying to hate on Americans, but they did not invent everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

He may be British, but his idea took initiative in the US. When he presented his idea in Europe, it was rejected. There's a reason why ICANN and other essential internet essentials are run in the US.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
omnicoder, read above.

YouTube is on the WWW.

The WWW is just the protocols the web browser and such use. They still need the actual network to run upon.

[quote=omnicoder said,]
Lol we made the internet in the first place. Go make your own if you don't want us around.[/quote

No, you didn't. You "invented" ARPANET which is very different from the way the Internet works today. The Internet in it's current form has been created by multiple nations using a combination of different technologies.

So because people in the Turkish government can't keep their dicks to themselves, or at least their videotapes of their dicks to themselves, all of Turkey gets repressed. Bravo..

osm0sis said,
So because people in the Turkish government can't keep their dicks to themselves, or at least their videotapes of their dicks to themselves, all of Turkey gets repressed. Bravo..
I think it is more so a lot of eastern countries treat their leaders as "God's" and no one can touch them, make fun of them, or say anything bad about them without risking severe penalties and jail time. Along with the fact that in these same countries saying bad about the government is akin to treason.

osm0sis said,
So because people in the Turkish government can't keep their dicks to themselves, or at least their videotapes of their dicks to themselves, all of Turkey gets repressed. Bravo..

In this particular case the government claims that they are against the ban. It is still interesting why they don't change the law.

MohammadReza Taesiri said,

+10
HAHA

but we in iran never saw it !


That's why we have filter breakers (filter shekan)