UK could follow French copyright plan: Get legal or get off!

Britain could follow France in cutting Internet access to users who repeatedly download music or films illegally. In France, warning messages are sent to those who frequently download music or films illegally. If the messages are ignored, users can have their accounts suspended or closed altogether.

The U.K. government had given British ISPs a year to come up with a voluntary plan but that time has now expired leading many to conclude that government regulation will need to be issued to address the problem. The impetus from this access comes the the music industry that saw a further 10% decline in sales during 2007.

A report in the Times newspaper suggested that ISPs would be forced to act against users accused of accessing copyrighted material without permission. An alternative system would be based on filtering, which could block illegal files from being downloaded.

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(Valiant said @ #5.2)
Piracy is theft

thats why we have the...

Federation Against Copyright Theft

http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/

Federations can call themselves what they wish. In the UK, copyright infringement is not 'theft'. The legal definition in the UK is the taking of property with the intention to permanently deprive, and of course unlicensed playback is not a permanent or even temporary deprivation.

Equating, as warnings on DVDs seek to do, infringement of an intellectual property with theft quite misses the point of criminal legislation, and ignores the fact that civil remedies are more than sufficient to deal with such infringements by way of damages or injunctions.

(Valiant said @ #5.2)
Piracy is theft

thats why we have the...

Federation Against Copyright Theft

http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/

FACT is a commercial organisation, yes you DID read that right, it makes MONEY or PROFIT for the PRIVATE SHAREHOLDERS, and I *BET* they pirate or do dodgy stuff

I think that the subscription based download models are the future. I have no problem paying $15/mo for unlimited downloads from Zune Pass. But I wish I could burn CDs with it. It also ****es me off when a particular album I want is pay-for only. That is when I fire up the p2p.

(Shadrack said @ #7)
I think that the subscription based download models are the future. I have no problem paying $15/mo for unlimited downloads from Zune Pass. But I wish I could burn CDs with it. It also ****es me off when a particular album I want is pay-for only. That is when I fire up the p2p.

It's a step in the right direction but DRM is the problem. You pretty much nailed it when you said "I wish I could burn CDs with it." The fact that you can't is a problem. Sure we have Fair-Use Enforcement tools like PlayFair, HYMN, QTFairUse, FairUse4WM, and others, but not everyone knows how to use them and they shouldn't be necessary in the first place.

Until DRM is wiped out I'm going to stick to physical CDs that conform to the Red Book standard. None of this "Enhanced" CD bullsh*t. Plain-vanilla CDDA discs can be ripped, copied, backed up, transcoded, and otherwise manipulated to my heart's content and they'll never try to connect to the Internet to get a "license" before I can use what I paid for.

To the record industries who say "But CDs are in the past!" or "We're losing money!" or "You pirate," I say "Too goddamn bad. Your profits aren't my problem."

To those who say "Think of the artists!" I say "First of all, they're musicians. Grow a sense of specificity. Secondly, and this is the important bit...LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU IRREDEEMABLE BOTTOM-FEEDERS. Maybe YOU should think of your artists before you fleece them, paying them pennies on the dollar for CDs sold."

I will sing and dance in the streets when the first major record label (major, as in Sony, Universal, Warner, etc.) declares bankruptcy.

On second thought, maybe I better only dance. Wouldn't want to get hit with public-performance fees for singing in the streets.

I think everyone is missing a huge part of the article here. The British ISPs did not "voluntarily" come up with a plan because it is not their issue, and therefore should not be dedicating their resources and funding for it. The RIAA has continuously put the responsibility of implementing its programs to crackdown on illegal music in the hands of everyone but themselves. The companies that make up the RIAA need to come up with solutions that rely on their funding and resources. Please, stop trying to further complicate the role of ISPs...and where does it end?

I do agree with CelticWisper ... and also i disagree with the enormous fines asked by the RIAA ... since downloading a song != buying an entire cd .... assuming you have 24 songs which might mean a cd they are all different hence no need to buy the entire cd ... moreover .... piracy does take into effect (and that is why companies are ****ed about) the selling of counterfeit materials which means that other people (than the company itself) makes money on the software developed by the company ... it has nothing to do with the individual that downloads the music, game/program for study,self interest or trial(usage) ...

even if you could argue by yes stealing is stealing, the argument is flawed since the 2 acts are different and not the same. using your head != go to a store at gun point/kill someone to take the cd or better yet a song.

piracy got a bad name/reputation simply because other people sell the programs, thus making a profit ... BUT if u were to use it yourself then i don't see why bother stopping piracy ... nevertheless even governmental imposed sanctions or whatever cannot stop the inevitable simply because it does not work the way they think it does .... and it follows this:


YOU as a customer are paying for a service .. meaning internet (or dry cleaning) .... assuming they stop/track/cut your connection because you download (in other words take the cleaned clothes from you because you found money in your pocket after washing) .... The government has no power because the country is run by the people that work, students that learn and pay for a service, if the customer will stop buying that service the company/government will be in big **** ... ... so therefore i said it ... whatever they do in the uk ... which i would assume will come the canada .... cannot be so drastic ... enough is enough with the identity on the hands of government lunatics .... but there is a limit ...

REVOLT

I don't see the big problem with this. It makes sense, don't download or we'll kick you off. Even in Canada and the US some ISPs have sent warnings to people to stop downloading pirated material.

Because to download "illegal" files is just a minor fault, so this law can be applied to other action such terrorism, and terrorism is everything but the government voice.

Hum what if I use Video Market Place on my X360, it's legal and all but with repeated downloading would the government suspect something and ban me? How would I prove them wrong if it was a genuine mistake from them?

I wish they would just get on with it... Then after a year they can see the sales are still going down and finally work out that it isnt downloading thats hurting the industry.

I wouldn't think France would be the one to set this in motion but glad to see this catching on.

As usual, the only ones whining are those guilty of piracy or those who can't grasp the fact that piracy is stealing and illegal.

Hopefully this starts sending the message.

Little more to it than that.

Firstly, the government shouldn't be helping an old business model to continue without change. Did they help the grocers, butchers, etc stay in business by ruling that supermarkets aren't allowed to exist? Have they ruled that internet shopping is banned so the supermarkets/high street shops can exist without change? No, they had to evolve with the times the same way the games industry has. The music industry should do the same - there are plenty of possibilities, most of which I have seen have come from the "zomg evilz" pirates themselves. The fact is they know any other system won't fill their pockets half as much, even though half is still a heck of a lot of money.

Then come the technical and privacy issues. What is suggested is equivalent to if the Royal Mail opened every single piece of mail to ensure that you weren't doing anything illegal - I don't think many would be happy about that, but because this is the internet and music companies it is ok?

If such a detection system is technically possible, why hasn't it already been implemented to detect child porn? Probably because that doesn't fill someones pockets. Shows what is more important in this World.

If such a detection system is possible and feasable, who will be paying for it? I severely doubt the music industry, government or ISPs will be. Who does that leave?

Whether you pirate or not, it is a deeply flawed proposal on so many levels.

(C_Guy said @ #17)
As usual, the only ones whining are those guilty of piracy or those who can't grasp the fact that piracy is stealing and illegal.

Or those not so obviously short-sighted as you are. Are you willing to stamp out piracy at *any* cost? Chilling your naivety is.

(Fourjays said @ #17.1)
Little more to it than that.


If such a detection system is technically possible, why hasn't it already been implemented to detect child porn? Probably because that doesn't fill someones pockets. Shows what is more important in this World.

I couldnt agree with you more...!!!...If this amount of effort was put into fighting child porn, or other sick stuff seen on the net, there would be far less of that crap!

seriously tho. we shouldnt be getting ****ed off with this.
isnt their some thingin the Terms and conditions or what ever your ISP refers to their usage agremement about downloading copyright protected files?

Where does it say it doesn't affect privacy of communications? Where is the judge order to let them do it?


*sarcasm mode on*
I believe that someone monitoring your connection is perfectly compatible with a free world...
*sarcasm mode off*

They should be concentrating on getting those who make money out of downloading copyrighted material, like the dodgy geezers who sell dvds in pubs for £3 a go...!!

I dont see how banning or prosecuting people who donwload material to listen to or watch at home is going to make an impact on the losses of the industry.. just because they wont be able to download it, doesnt mean they will go out and buy it.. some people just do it because they can!

Oh and until a major record company actually makes a loss instead of a profit - why should we care?
I mean, surely they are moaning because they only made $512 billion of profit this year - WTF?!

It would be the end of ISP's if they enforced this fully. They may try and make examples of a few, but even that would hit there user base hard as they all swap to a more liberal ISP.

They only provide a service it is up to us how we use it and the police to enforce it. E.g. Ford have no responsibility to people speeding using there cars, nor do the people who build/maintain the roads that they can speed on.

From what iv read ISP's already hold all this information which they need to give up if asked by the police, the only change I think should happen is the ISP should stop holding this information and leave it all to the police.

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