U.K. networks report weak iPhone 5c pre-orders, well below expectations

Every time Apple launches a new product, its announcement is greeted with derision and scorn from many, criticising a 'lack of innovation' or incremental and supposedly insignificant improvements over previous generations, or compared with its closest rivals. And yet, no matter how loud the cries of the naysayers, Apple goes on to sell its devices in enormous numbers. 

Indeed, whatever your opinion on the latest iPhones, it's a given that they'll be a sales success. Or is it? Time will tell, but early indications from the U.K. suggest that that's not necessarily the case this time around. 

The Guardian has tapped its sources at the U.K.'s major networks, who have revealed that pre-orders for the iPhone 5c have so far fallen well short of expectations. It's not just a case of one source from a single carrier either; insiders at three different networks have painted a pretty bleak picture of demand for the colourful new iPhone. 

"The 5c is not setting the world on fire in terms of pre-orders," said one. "It is dramatically lower. People are waiting and seeing, because Apple has never released two devices simultaneously." Despite announcing two new iPhones, pre-orders have only been available for the cheaper iPhone 5c. There has been some speculation that this was a precautionary measure, amid rumours that the flagship iPhone 5s will be "grotesquely unavailable" at launch

A source at a second network, who also revealed that "pre-orders have not been what we expect them to be by a long stretch", suggested that Apple's choice to limit pre-orders to the 5c was a strategic one: "Apple have deliberately done it because investors will be looking at whether they can be successful in the mid-range market. The 5c is the device that will move their business from the premium market to a company that sells something for everyone." 

But the high price of the plastic-bodied 5c - as well as the narrow price gap between it and its superior sibling - doesn't appear to be going down well with U.K. consumers so far. The apparent lack of demand for the 5c could indicate that buyers are holding out for the 5s, given that the premium is relatively modest over the cheaper handset. But the networks had apparently adjusted their expectations for the 5c, and weren't anticipating massive pre-orders compared with the launch of the iPhone 5. 

Even so, the 5c has still managed to under-perform so far, if the information from these sources is correct. A source at a third network called pre-orders for the handset "a big disappointment", adding that "they are 60-70% less than we were expecting, and we didn't expect them to be massively high given it's not the flagship model." Where previous iPhone launches have seen U.K. carriers take pre-orders of up to 100,000 units, the source said that, for the 5c, "this is one tenth of those numbers."

It's not all doom and gloom though - one of the nation's largest independent device retailers, Phones 4u, said that interest in the iPhone 5c has been "phenomenal", adding that pre-registration is up by "double-digit percentage points". Pre-registration differs from a pre-order, in that customers are put on a waiting list for a device without any upfront payment. 

Nonetheless, Apple's silence regarding iPhone 5c pre-orders has been conspicuous. In previous years, Apple has been quick to tout the huge demand for its latest devices; last year, an incredible two million iPhone 5 handsets were pre-ordered in the first 24 hours

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All I can say is great!

Maybe we'll quit hearing about new phone releases every other week. It's totally stupid, ridiculous and just plain irritating to hear about it all the time!

UK networks are stupid then to think an existing phone model was going to have people going crazy for it. No guys, it's the 5s people are looking at. Why would you want to upgrade your existing phone to what is pretty much just your existing phone? You wouldn't. Unless you didn't have an iPhone 5 already to begin with. Derp.

i think apple innovates at the highest level... it takes a genius to copy what everyone does and get away with it cus they have no new ideas of there own. Theyve seen how well the different coloured phones sell from competitors and decide to throw em in on a expensive "cheap" phone.

If people in china wanted an iphone theyd get an 5S cus there all insane, theyd probably sell there face to get the money for it. also how the f is anyone in china going to afford even the 5c or 5s infact when they get paid like $100 a month. this is where WP is gaining lotsa ground with low priced high quality hardware, stuff you wouldnt find in an iphone for the same price point. even if they put the iphone 4 hardware in it theyd still sell it at a stupid price like $450 but get a $250 WP8 and it would smoke it in speed and features.

Well duh, people are waiting for 5S. Previous generation iPhones were never a hot topic, all of the sudden iPhone 5C is. iPhone 5C just replaced iPhone 5, because it's harder to mass-produce iPhone 5 on even larger scale. This is iPhone for China and other huge markets. So if you expect UK and US to go for 5C you're wrong, people gonna go for 5S and it's gonna be sold out for months.

i suggest to people that ask me to just buy a 2nd hand iphone 4... save yourself $500 and still get 90% of whatever you think you are getting...

of course 5c sales are low

you buy an iphone as a status symbol - owning a 5c doesn't make you look good

NOTE TO MODS: This post is my own personal opinion and should not be interpreted at trolling or sarcasm. Looking forward to having a friendly debate with like minded techie forum members :-)

you feel owning a certain phone makes a person look good (or not)? and also is a status symbol? weird...

glen8 said,
of course 5c sales are low

you buy an iphone as a status symbol - owning a 5c doesn't make you look good

NOTE TO MODS: This post is my own personal opinion and should not be interpreted at trolling or sarcasm. Looking forward to having a friendly debate with like minded techie forum members :-)

rippleman said,
you feel owning a certain phone makes a person look good (or not)? and also is a status symbol? weird...

Oh yeah!! I'm getting a 64gb gold one tomorrow. Should be able to pick up babes with that :-)

NOTE TO MODS: This was a sarcastic post, but meant as a joke in a light hearted way. The reality is that I am not actually going to buy the phone to pick up women. In all honesty, I'm not even buying the phone. Thanks.

What has happen to every company on this planet has now basically happened to Apple. When money becomes more important than anything else, the first thing to go is quality.

In the 80's, Ford could brag that out of the top 10 cars sold in the USA, 5 were Ford's. What happened? They made a lot of money and in the 90's their cars were junk with exception of the F150.

GM had the same problem. Chrysler has basically always made crappy cars, but they are far better now than they've ever been. Why? Because their bottom line isn't that important. Toyota same thing and so many others.

Brand names who were known for making "premium" products have all had a rash of junk being sold because money became more important than competing an winning where it mattered - Quality was more important than money because with quality the sales will come.

But now being on top and having the largest profit margin is more important. These company's get so greedy they forget that what got them on top was making great products. Why stop what you started?

Apple has messed up so many times, this one though; is going to bite them really hard. Next year they likely won't have a 6C. And I see the price dropping more in the coming weeks to encourage sales. The selling point of the 5C I thought was to be able to compete in emerging markets. How does a person who has a monthly income equal to $350USD afford a $550 phone of contract?

TechieXP said,
What has happen to every company on this planet has now basically happened to Apple. When money becomes more important than anything else, the first thing to go is quality.

In the 80's, Ford could brag that out of the top 10 cars sold in the USA, 5 were Ford's. What happened? They made a lot of money and in the 90's their cars were junk with exception of the F150.

GM had the same problem. Chrysler has basically always made crappy cars, but they are far better now than they've ever been. Why? Because their bottom line isn't that important. Toyota same thing and so many others.

Brand names who were known for making "premium" products have all had a rash of junk being sold because money became more important than competing an winning where it mattered - Quality was more important than money because with quality the sales will come.

But now being on top and having the largest profit margin is more important. These company's get so greedy they forget that what got them on top was making great products. Why stop what you started?

Apple has messed up so many times, this one though; is going to bite them really hard. Next year they likely won't have a 6C. And I see the price dropping more in the coming weeks to encourage sales. The selling point of the 5C I thought was to be able to compete in emerging markets. How does a person who has a monthly income equal to $350USD afford a $550 phone of contract?

So I guess you ignored to read any reviews on the 5C where they praise the build quality and the overall quality of the phone?

Typical Apple haters, refusing to read when it says something against their opinions, which they usually try to pass off as facts.

yeah, that emerging market sales turned out to be a giant cluster****.

they should have actually made a much cheaper iphone, maybe with 4 or 4s tech instead of 5 to bring the price down

stevan said,

So I guess you ignored to read any reviews on the 5C where they praise the build quality and the overall quality of the phone?

Typical Apple haters, refusing to read when it says something against their opinions, which they usually try to pass off as facts.

No I didn't ignore them. But those reviews are still based on someone opinion. It doesn't make them factual. Most of the reviews I've seen are simply biased. I watch video where in the case of comparing the lastest iPhone to another phone where the other phone totally beats out the iPhone, the reviewer will still claim the iPhone is better.

For example, one reviewer when the 5S was benchmarked against the Note 3 slammed the Note 3 because in a test the Note 3 score like 7000 while the iPhone did 11,000 in the graphics test. But didn't take in the fact that since the GPU had to push a much higher resolution and a bigger screen size that you have to consider this. He mentioned nothing of the like. Similar here with the GS4 vs the iPhone 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNljD8kahaU

I don't have to agree with an opinion, I can respectively accept it as their opinion and I don't argue opinions. Beauty as they say is in the eye of the beholder. The iPhone 5S is beautiful the 5C is not. The build quality is not better than the Galaxy devices. The difference in what you feel is how they chose ot make them.

The Lumia for example is a much heavier thick grade of poly-carbonate. I don't like it. Apple used what it called mold injected material which softens the plastic so it can be shot with the gun into a mold. As it material turns to a solid it remains soft to the touch and because the finish is matt, gloss if placed on it to make it shine. Samsung went with the modular approach where the phone is 3 pieces. Because those piece are so thin, they feel cheaper but they simply are not. It makes the phone score higher for repair which is cheaper than always replacing. It makes the phone lighter. When it drops it doesn't shatter into a million glittery pieces. And since Apple is using plastic now, why do you need another $30 case around it?

Oh and all the hate bec Samsung used plastic and now Apple is back to it and yet no one says nothing. Well its done better? NO! Its just a different way. Plastic is plastic, how is it better?

The constant hypocritical nature of iFans is what ticks me off. You all consistent change the rules to fit what you like and dislike. If I don't like something I don't like it no matter who has it. I didn't like fingerprint readers because of the hassle. They are in fact a nice extra. The issue is they aren't consistent and I don't think they are practical for a phone. That is my opinion...not hate. If I hated any product I simply don't buy them and I don't comment on them either.

I like the iPhone. What I hate is every year we wait for one model and Apple changes almost nothing. For 4 years they have basically made the same exact phone with minor cosmetic changes on the outside and speed bumps on the inside.

How useless is 64bit with a phone with 1GB of RAM? How much sense soes it make when APple's OS prevent any single app from using more than 50% of available RAM? Which means that 64bit which opens an app in double the RAM footprint, will not cause more apps to freeze. How is that full multitasking? Oh, well that means to have it, the CPU will now have to use its own cache to run the apps which means the CPU will work harder and that means more battery drain.

I installed iOS7 on my iPhone 4. I didn't charge it up last night. I turn it on today it has 38% of life. I left it at my desk off, I came back to turn it on and it was at 19%. How the heck did it drop 50% in battery and I didn't even use it. Yet I use my GN2 and its at only 91% from 100% when I took it off the charger?

I like reading and view reviews because I learn more about a product I may be considering like the iPhone 5S. So far it has been totally disappointing and is not worth leaving my Note II for...I rather have a Note III. Because for he same cash price I am actually getting a new phone, not an old phone pretending to be new.

volodoscope said,
Coming from a person who never used, held or had an iPhone 5C. So credible.
So if I told you fire was hot, yet I never touch or held it, does that make it any less a credible fact?

Come on do better. Apple has had plastic phones before, what is going to be different exactly? NOTHING.

You're actually less credible because you haven't used or held either and yet you saying someone is wrong. LOL

I don't have to hold an iPhone 5C to know I wont like it or know its junk. The iPhone 5 and 5S are identical for the most part and thus holding a 5S wont make me feel any better about it than I already do, I already know from experience the 5S would be the better option. But for what it cost and being limited based on how I need to use it, I personally wont be buying it. But I am willing to recommend the 5S to anyone who wants an iPhone, or I would suggest getting the 5 if you can. The 5C is a kids toy with ugly colors to go with that ugly UI.

TechieXP said,
No I didn't ignore them. But those reviews are still based on someone opinion. It doesn't make them factual. Most of the reviews I've seen are simply biased. I watch video where in the case of comparing the lastest iPhone to another phone where the other phone totally beats out the iPhone, the reviewer will still claim the iPhone is better.

For example, one reviewer when the 5S was benchmarked against the Note 3 slammed the Note 3 because in a test the Note 3 score like 7000 while the iPhone did 11,000 in the graphics test. But didn't take in the fact that since the GPU had to push a much higher resolution and a bigger screen size that you have to consider this. He mentioned nothing of the like. Similar here with the GS4 vs the iPhone 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNljD8kahaU

I don't have to agree with an opinion, I can respectively accept it as their opinion and I don't argue opinions. Beauty as they say is in the eye of the beholder. The iPhone 5S is beautiful the 5C is not. The build quality is not better than the Galaxy devices. The difference in what you feel is how they chose ot make them.

The Lumia for example is a much heavier thick grade of poly-carbonate. I don't like it. Apple used what it called mold injected material which softens the plastic so it can be shot with the gun into a mold. As it material turns to a solid it remains soft to the touch and because the finish is matt, gloss if placed on it to make it shine. Samsung went with the modular approach where the phone is 3 pieces. Because those piece are so thin, they feel cheaper but they simply are not. It makes the phone score higher for repair which is cheaper than always replacing. It makes the phone lighter. When it drops it doesn't shatter into a million glittery pieces. And since Apple is using plastic now, why do you need another $30 case around it?

Oh and all the hate bec Samsung used plastic and now Apple is back to it and yet no one says nothing. Well its done better? NO! Its just a different way. Plastic is plastic, how is it better?

The constant hypocritical nature of iFans is what ticks me off. You all consistent change the rules to fit what you like and dislike. If I don't like something I don't like it no matter who has it. I didn't like fingerprint readers because of the hassle. They are in fact a nice extra. The issue is they aren't consistent and I don't think they are practical for a phone. That is my opinion...not hate. If I hated any product I simply don't buy them and I don't comment on them either.

I like the iPhone. What I hate is every year we wait for one model and Apple changes almost nothing. For 4 years they have basically made the same exact phone with minor cosmetic changes on the outside and speed bumps on the inside.

How useless is 64bit with a phone with 1GB of RAM? How much sense soes it make when APple's OS prevent any single app from using more than 50% of available RAM? Which means that 64bit which opens an app in double the RAM footprint, will not cause more apps to freeze. How is that full multitasking? Oh, well that means to have it, the CPU will now have to use its own cache to run the apps which means the CPU will work harder and that means more battery drain.

I installed iOS7 on my iPhone 4. I didn't charge it up last night. I turn it on today it has 38% of life. I left it at my desk off, I came back to turn it on and it was at 19%. How the heck did it drop 50% in battery and I didn't even use it. Yet I use my GN2 and its at only 91% from 100% when I took it off the charger?

I like reading and view reviews because I learn more about a product I may be considering like the iPhone 5S. So far it has been totally disappointing and is not worth leaving my Note II for...I rather have a Note III. Because for he same cash price I am actually getting a new phone, not an old phone pretending to be new.

No one says you have to agree with them, but these sites are there to do these kind of reviews. Some may be biased, other not. But they are all praising the build quality of the 5C.

Also, if you are still quoting 64bit and memory, you know nothing about the architecture. Go read a bit about 64bit and exactly why Apple implemented it and you can come back and put up a valid argument.

There is no need to write a two page essay to make yourself look knowledgable. Just state the facts with proof or your opinion. I've done a great job of busting your incorrect facts in the past few days yet you still continue with this crusade.

stevan said,

No one says you have to agree with them, but these sites are there to do these kind of reviews. Some may be biased, other not. But they are all praising the build quality of the 5C.

Also, if you are still quoting 64bit and memory, you know nothing about the architecture. Go read a bit about 64bit and exactly why Apple implemented it and you can come back and put up a valid argument.

There is no need to write a two page essay to make yourself look knowledgable. Just state the facts with proof or your opinion. I've done a great job of busting your incorrect facts in the past few days yet you still continue with this crusade.

All of them are not praising the build quality of the 5C. Also remember, Apple return as many as 8M iPhone 5's back to Foxconn for poor build quality. I remember many receiving iPhone 5's and showing them to be bent or had other damage.

MOST of the reviews I read on the iPhone 5C have been solid. I checked out the 5C and 5S on display this weekend. I stand by what I said, the 5S is beautiful especially in Gold/White. The 5C is ugly. The UI on both is ugly, but it looks better on the Gold/White and Silver iPhone vs the 5C.
I got to play with the browser and I tested a few things loading compared to my Note. Some things haven't changed. Like when I load a web page in Safari, the page still stops loading when I open another app and it resumes loading when I go back to it. This doesn't happen on my Note. If I load a webpage and leave it for another app, when I switch back the page is done loading. That is full multi-tasking. I can only assume it was because so many apps had been opened. When I closed them all an did the test again, the page did continue to load in the background. Which is exactly what I tried to explain would happen. With only 1GB of RAM, full multi-tasking cant work if all the available RAM is in use. When you open so many apps, some will still have to freeze their state with such a low amount of RAM or the CPU would have to continue running the app in its own cache. This also makes 64bit useless with multiple apps bec 1GB of RAM Is not enough for that many apps to run.

Sometimes I wonder, who is the guy who is putting the expectations?

The phone total cost is 700$+ including taxes and delivery and you have to pay that over 2 or 3 years or if you leave the contract, that is not cheap

Nexus 4 does everything the iPhone 5c do better!

Nexus 4 has a better screen, bigger screen, better processor, better ram, unlimited storage for photos and videos on Google Plus synced with Android Gallery to look like they are right there on your phone.

Android 4.3 is faster and more responsive than IOS7 in just everything, open the android play store and open the Apple store from IOS7 and just compare the responsiveness.

Nexus 4 is 250 delivered with taxes and iPhone 5c is 700+ total

Nexus 5 will go just about everything better than the iPhone except the finger print reader, and maybe the camera slow motion.

Again, who is the guy writing these expectations?

john.smith_2084 said,
Sometimes I wonder, who is the guy who is putting the expectations?

The phone total cost is 700$+ including taxes and delivery and you have to pay that over 2 or 3 years or if you leave the contract, that is not cheap

Nexus 4 does everything the iPhone 5c do better!

Nexus 4 has a better screen, bigger screen, better processor, better ram, unlimited storage for photos and videos on Google Plus synced with Android Gallery to look like they are right there on your phone.

Android 4.3 is faster and more responsive than IOS7 in just everything, open the android play store and open the Apple store from IOS7 and just compare the responsiveness.

Nexus 4 is 250 delivered with taxes and iPhone 5c is 700+ total

Nexus 5 will go just about everything better than the iPhone except the finger print reader, and maybe the camera slow motion.

Again, who is the guy writing these expectations?

The performance of Apple's App Store app has sucked since iOS6. When I installed iOS6 on my iPad III, it was noticeable slower. I installed iOS7 this morning and the thing is sluggish. What is the problem? 1GB of RAM is simply not enough.

For a device that is pushing that high of a resolution, Apple should be shot in the face with a missile for only giving the device 1GB of RAM. Any tablet I have seen so far has 2GB of RAM when they have a high resolution that is equal of above 1920x1080. What the heck is wrong with Apple? With all that money, why was it so hard to add more RAM?

They added full multi-tasking to iOS7, how is it going to work good on 1GB of RAM? What good is the 5S having a 64bit chip with only 1GB of RAM. Since 64bit automatically loads an app in double the memory space and the latest phone still likely only has 1GB of RAM, that means that the CPU will have to load the app into its own cache which will actually make the device be slower if you have multiple apps running.

Apple fans from this release forward should never have anything bad to say about Windows Phone UI, Samsung's TouchWiz Nature UI or anybody else's UI when they have the worse looking UI and a iPhone 5C which looks worse than any present plastic phone sold by almost any OEM.

Plus look at all the Android rips. Now when you slide to unlock you can do so from anywhere on the screen. The lockscreen looks 100% Android ripped. The toggle switches UI is really flat and it is really ugly. With the glare on the retina display, you almost cant even tell when something is toggled on/off. The transparency is ugly.

Even on my iPad III, swiching from one home screen to another is laggy. I wont compare it to my phone because with a higher resolution and the device being bigger I expect it wont be as fast. But it is slower than it was on iOS6.

Seeing the background through almost every Apple app is very ugly.

So when you read between the lines the news here is: UK carriers are expecting the iPhone 5C to sell in the same volumes as the iPhone 5S or at least iPhone 5 last year. Any idea how incredibly dumb that notion is? The vast majority is waiting for the iPhone 5S. Were carriers disappointed in 2012 too the iPhone 4S didn't sell in the millions either during the iPhone 5 launch? Of course Neowin is jumping right on top of this news like there's no tomorrow, before actually thinking things through for ten seconds.

actually it is not like that at all.

instead of selling last year model at discount, they decided to create a new budget model and obviously they expected it to sell better! no company plans to launch a mediocre product.

so yeah, it is not at all like selling 4s.....really

panacea said,
so yeah, it is not at all like selling 4s.....really

It's exactly like iPhone 4S in 2012: The iPhone 5C is last year's model repackaged in a new shell. Basically nothing more and nothing less than that. The vast majority of people will be looking out for this year's latest model known as the the iPhone 5S. Especially in a richer country like the UK. That's where the high sale numbers will come from, not the iPhone 5C.

yeah. repackaged in new shell. big difference to every other year eve


and yes, i am sure apple hoped they will sell more 5c then they would older 5. if they did not, they would not release.

“I think [iPhone 5c] is a reminder to everyone in business that you have to keep innovating and that to not innovate is to die. - Stephen Elop

5c is simply a waste of resource for apple. Perhaps they never intent to sell you a low cost iPhone and everyone is expecting. They didn't even mention it's the low cost device and just to make it more colorful than ever. So the rumors who started it need to understand the strategy that apple is using. It's simply a better way to save cost by replacing the iPhone 5 with cheaper material while preserving the premium price that apple always love. Nothing has really change at all with just an add-on for color. I never really like the idea of 5c when it leaks to the web because it will tarnish the brand and most of all it doesn't lower price to target mid end phone market.

I swear, 5C was supposed to stand for "cheap", but I believe it stands for "crap". To be fair to the Apple people though, the 5S looks halfway decent if you like Apple. But I myself use Android (specifically, always CyanogenMod) and I'd say Windows Phone is way ahead of the iPhone. More features, better more original design, and the thing I've noticed is everyone at my college thinks Apple is a waste of money and Windows Phone actually is thought to be somewhat cool. It runs on cheap to decent to great hardware, and doesn't suck battery and has great design. I know several friends that actually use Windows Phone. Microsoft was behind, but I say they are ahead of Apple now in every area but marketing. Although I love open source, I wish Microsoft success with Windows Phone. If only they were this smart with Windows 8 originally... 8 is great for touch (especially 8.1) but it needs to not neuter the desktop. It really needs a script that runs when you first install it to determine if you've got a tablet or a desktop, notebook, or netbook. If tablet, kill Aero and the Start Button along with the menu (even in 8.1). If anything else, install and load Desktop additions like Aero, the Start Button, and Start Menu. Too bad EVERY company these days has their head up their butts (Microsoft, Apple, Canonical, etc.) and thinks we NEED and WANT a tablified Desktop, and they also want the desktop to die. Ubuntu is bringing the stupid touch UI to the desktop, we already know what a mess visually 8 is, and Apple does the same. AAGH! Please corporate world, listen to the consumer! The power user and programmer! Although I can use a tablet UI on my desktop, it is hella inefficient. I guess everyone wants to get the dumbos to say, "Cool, my PC/Mac/Linux box has apps! No need for actually useful applications. Sad.

That's what happens when you create a phone that resembles a Windows(Nokia) Phone. /s

On the other hand, I really don't know anyone who wanted a 5C. A couple of my friends kids wanted them. The mass are waiting for the 5s.

The ugly pastel UI on the ugly pastel colored plastic back looks childish and ugly.
When I watched the release video, the guy could even look at the audience with a straight face as he was even describing it.

I also don't think the lack of sales is due to ppl waiting for the 5S either. The 5S sells obviously are going to be high. If these people have a 4, a 4S, and a 5 then moving to the 5S is the only option that makes sense. They are waiting for the 5S because that is what they wanted in the first place. Has nothing to do with the 5C being released first.

I don't see how you writers are so backwards. Apple didn't release the 5C first because they were trying to test the waters so to speak. It was released first because the 5S had delays. Because they know the demand on the 5S is going to be high and they wanted to at least have a reasonable supply.

I think it does. I'm sure lots of people like it, yet they don't go around saying it. It's mostly people that complain. Mostly...

stevan said,
We get it, you hate Apple. Move on.
In the words of Buzz Lightyear to Woody, "you are a sad little man".

I don't hate Apple. Honestly I don't know why when someone says they don't like something about Apple, they have to be haters. I have my iPhone 4 which I use an an iPod as it is not activated. I also have an iPad 3Gen which I leave at home. I prefer my Galaxy Note II.

Having said that, I am entitled to my opinion. When I watch you iFans diss on Android or Galaxy devices in particular, I defend based on the typical known BS rants like lag or UI design. But I don't call you haters.

The problem with iFans is that when you say something bad about you or Apple, you start acting like a bunch of spoiled little boys and girls who can't accept some criticism.

Apple doesn't do everything right. With all the posts of people saying how ugly the new iOS7 UI is, we have to still be haters? I installed iOS7 on my iPad this morning. The icons being bigger look uglier than they do on the iPhone. The Dynamic wallpapers pretty much makes it worse.

I love "eyecandy". Apple old UI looks way better. They could have easily made it flat by simply dropping the "drop shadows" and using less colors in the icons. This new UI is "girly", which honestly is NOT the word I really want to use. However I don't want to offend people I have nothing against.

This new UI is uglier than what Windows XP/Vista had in Windows. There is a lot of inconsistancies with the UI. You go to one location and it looks one way, you go to another and its totally opposite.

I never liked TouchWiz from day one. When I saw the GS3 was coming, I went on eBay and purchased a Droid Charge to learn the UI and compare it to Sense which I did like back in 2009. When I got the GS3 with TW on ICS, it was much cleaner, the UI is more consistent, and the ability to change what I didn't like is awesome.

Apple and you fans just need to suck it up and stop just accepting what you get and demand more for what you pay. With Apple's stash of cash, they shouldn't be behind. If they really wanted to enter emerging markets, they would have lowered the cost of the 5C to less than $400 of contract, and if they were even Jobs-like in the least, there is no way they would have released this "My Little Pony" UI on what they was selling as a Premium phone.

What the new iPhone looks like now is how boys in the hood take awesome cares like BMW's and Benz and paint them with frosty or ghetto colors and then drop 25" loud colored RIMS on them and drive with the windows open and bass bumping.

Its ugly. Its my opinion. For people who like Apple new UI, than enjoy; because you have equally as much right to like it as I have not too.

Not liking something is a long way from hate. If I hated APple, I would have never purchased their products. And If I had known what I was really getting into when I bought them, I likely never would have. They are way overprice for what they give you and with this move they have proved it animatedly.

TechieXP said,
In the words of Buzz Lightyear to Woody, "you are a sad little man".

I don't hate Apple. Honestly I don't know why when someone says they don't like something about Apple, they have to be haters. I have my iPhone 4 which I use an an iPod as it is not activated. I also have an iPad 3Gen which I leave at home. I prefer my Galaxy Note II.

Having said that, I am entitled to my opinion. When I watch you iFans diss on Android or Galaxy devices in particular, I defend based on the typical known BS rants like lag or UI design. But I don't call you haters.

The problem with iFans is that when you say something bad about you or Apple, you start acting like a bunch of spoiled little boys and girls who can't accept some criticism.

Apple doesn't do everything right. With all the posts of people saying how ugly the new iOS7 UI is, we have to still be haters? I installed iOS7 on my iPad this morning. The icons being bigger look uglier than they do on the iPhone. The Dynamic wallpapers pretty much makes it worse.

I love "eyecandy". Apple old UI looks way better. They could have easily made it flat by simply dropping the "drop shadows" and using less colors in the icons. This new UI is "girly", which honestly is NOT the word I really want to use. However I don't want to offend people I have nothing against.

This new UI is uglier than what Windows XP/Vista had in Windows. There is a lot of inconsistancies with the UI. You go to one location and it looks one way, you go to another and its totally opposite.

I never liked TouchWiz from day one. When I saw the GS3 was coming, I went on eBay and purchased a Droid Charge to learn the UI and compare it to Sense which I did like back in 2009. When I got the GS3 with TW on ICS, it was much cleaner, the UI is more consistent, and the ability to change what I didn't like is awesome.

Apple and you fans just need to suck it up and stop just accepting what you get and demand more for what you pay. With Apple's stash of cash, they shouldn't be behind. If they really wanted to enter emerging markets, they would have lowered the cost of the 5C to less than $400 of contract, and if they were even Jobs-like in the least, there is no way they would have released this "My Little Pony" UI on what they was selling as a Premium phone.

What the new iPhone looks like now is how boys in the hood take awesome cares like BMW's and Benz and paint them with frosty or ghetto colors and then drop 25" loud colored RIMS on them and drive with the windows open and bass bumping.

Its ugly. Its my opinion. For people who like Apple new UI, than enjoy; because you have equally as much right to like it as I have not too.

Not liking something is a long way from hate. If I hated APple, I would have never purchased their products. And If I had known what I was really getting into when I bought them, I likely never would have. They are way overprice for what they give you and with this move they have proved it animatedly.

Based on what you write it's very easy to label you an Apple hater. Just my opinion. I'm also finding it hard to reply to your essays.

stevan said,
I think it does. I'm sure lots of people like it, yet they don't go around saying it. It's mostly people that complain. Mostly...
And just FYI, I find the 5S with the Gold/White and Silver/White to both be stunning and very beautiful devices. The new UI in the pics matching those 2 models looks very nice in the picture. But overall the UI is ugly and I rather have the previous UI.

The 5C is a waste of money no matter how low they end up dropping the price to encourage sales.

When Apple first made an iPhone, I wanted the 3GS really bad bec I like the pixelated looking screen was cool and I could care less about PPI. But those early models had a nice design even tho they were plastic. The 5C is ugly, its fat looking. The design itself is kinda clean, but it looks bad compared to Galaxy devices.

The 5C colors are ugly shades. Here is what I think they should have done with the 5C and maybe you will agree.

The 5th Generation iPod Touch colors are nice and here is why. They are not pastel looking, but they have a metallic paint coating which looks much better. The green and blue one especially look really nice. Due to the Touch not needing cellular hardware, the device is also thinner.

Apple could have easily used the same concept of the 5th Gen Touch on the iPhone 5C and lowered the cost to $400 or less of contract. It would have looked better, it would have sold better and this article wouldn't even have needed to be written.

stevan said,

Based on what you write it's very easy to label you an Apple hater. Just my opinion. I'm also finding it hard to reply to your essays.

Well, what you think is one thing, what is reality is something else. The UI is ugly. Millions of people are not happy with it and are saying the same thing. Just because you don't have an issue with it, doesn't make us wrong and it certainly doesn't make you right.

Which is another major problem with Apple fans...they never want to be wrong even when you prove them wrong.

FACT- MILLIONS of people thing the new UI is ugly
FACT- MILLIONS of people don't like the new 5C
FACT- MILLIONS of people didn't pre-order the 5C because if they did, Apple would have been so happy to tell you as they have done since the release of the iPhone 4.

TechieXP said,
Well, what you think is one thing, what is reality is something else.

See what you said there? Now let me show you just how ridiculous and hypocritical you are. It's gonna be quick so pay attention...

TechieXP said,

FACT- MILLIONS of people thing the new UI is ugly
FACT- MILLIONS of people don't like the new 5C
FACT- MILLIONS of people didn't pre-order the 5C because if they did, Apple would have been so happy to tell you as they have done since the release of the iPhone 4.

Now, care to back those claims up? Or are they the same claims where you said it took iPhone 5 3 quarters to outsell the 4s, and I proved you wrong? Or where you said that iPhone 5 hasn't even sold 30 million and once again I proved you wrong?

We all have our opinions, but you seem to post yours like they are facts but more often than not you are wrong. I have proved you wrong on many occassions yet you still come back and post so called "Facts"

stevan said,

Based on what you write it's very easy to label you an Apple hater. Just my opinion. I'm also finding it hard to reply to your essays.

QFE - quoted for emphases.

stevan said,

See what you said there? Now let me show you just how ridiculous and hypocritical you are. It's gonna be quick so pay attention...

Now, care to back those claims up? Or are they the same claims where you said it took iPhone 5 3 quarters to outsell the 4s, and I proved you wrong? Or where you said that iPhone 5 hasn't even sold 30 million and once again I proved you wrong?

We all have our opinions, but you seem to post yours like they are facts but more often than not you are wrong. I have proved you wrong on many occassions yet you still come back and post so called "Facts"


http://www.inquisitr.com/43864...-iphone-4s-analyst-reports/ According to this article an many other, it was expected that the iPhone 5 Sales would not even surpass the sales of the 4S. Apple has sold roughly 35-40M 4S phones. After the iPhone 5 was officially announced, sales of the 4S and the Galaxy S III increase substantially. In flat many carriers reported that ran out of stock on both. I am not talking large carriers like VZW or ATT.

In July, it was reported that Apple was cutting it production of the 5S by at least 20%. THis is not normal as APple typical continues to produce significant amount of the older model due to continuous high sales. This was true especially of the 3GS and 4 which continued to sale in high number well over a year after its original release date. Why was this time different? POOR SALES.

Apple never releases sales of a single model. There is good reason. Because in many cases the older model continues to outsell the newest one for several months. Best Buy in Aug was offering as much as 50% off the iPhone 5 if you trade in a older 4S or 4 due to poor sales. Something they have never had to do before.

As of July 2012 - http://www.fiercewireless.com/...eat-expectations/2013-07-23 - It was reported that Apple had sold a total of 31M phones as of July. It took until January of 2013 before iPhone 5 sales finally were beating 4S sales. In that number of 31M sold since the release of the 5S, how much room is their for 30M sales of one model?

The sales of the iPhone have been dismal. Why is it that Apple refuses to report sales of individual items? They do this with iPad and they do this with iPhone and the Macs. In 28 years only roughly 135M people have a Mac. With the previous OS X release before this one I think it was, Apple stated that only 60M people had a Mac that could run that most recent version of OS X at that time. I think it was 2011, but am not positive.

Samsung reports the sales of its Galaxy devices as a single model. Especially when it comes to the S which is their flagship. Apple only had a single phone, but they have multiple models. Why not report them based on that model?

In 2012 Apple had sold 50M+ iPhone before the release of the iPhone 5. Those sales were made up of 3 models. The 3GS, the 4 and the 4S. While Samsung sold over 50M of just one model in 2012, the GS3.

You don't have to read between the lines to see the facts. if you read with the intensions of knowledge and not glancing fanboi rumors or always calling people haters just because they have something bad to say that you don't like, you will see them. The problem is fans have selective hearing and sight.

I am not a fan of any platform. My favorite was Windows Mobile which I used from 2003 up to 2008. In 2009 I bought my first iPhone and in 2010 I bought my last. I didn't stop buying iPhone because of hate, it was because for what they cost they offer nothing. They don't offer the features I need most like file transfer over BT and using my device as mass storage which is a huge benefit for me. I got sick of that bloated slow ass iTunes. I got sick of the onesie upgrade. I was ****ed that when I install iOS6 on my iPhone 4S that it got really laggy and slow. I have an iPad and I have an iPhone I use as an iPod in my car which has the USB connection through my radio so I can operate my music from the car stereo. I hated the fact APple changed this with the 5 for no reason other than forcing adoption of another proprietary piece of useless garbage. I like standards. Because standard are cheaper to produce because everything cost less, that means you get more variety and better options that are supported by all. Apple's support costs to much for what they give you.

Also look at Apple profits last year. Sure they were high, but sales were down. iPhone sales were high but they included all selling models, not just one. The numbers speak volumes if you read them properly and stop listening to Apple BS double-speak.

You can call be a hater of you want, I personally could give 2 cents. I want Apple to do better with that frikkin load of cash they have and all they've been doing for the past 3 years is millions of dollars in frivolous lawsuits and all they could give you with this new models were ugly colors and a useless sensor.

TechieXP said,

http://www.inquisitr.com/43864...-iphone-4s-analyst-reports/ According to this article an many other, it was expected that the iPhone 5 Sales would not even surpass the sales of the 4S. Apple has sold roughly 35-40M 4S phones. After the iPhone 5 was officially announced, sales of the 4S and the Galaxy S III increase substantially. In flat many carriers reported that ran out of stock on both. I am not talking large carriers like VZW or ATT.

In July, it was reported that Apple was cutting it production of the 5S by at least 20%. THis is not normal as APple typical continues to produce significant amount of the older model due to continuous high sales. This was true especially of the 3GS and 4 which continued to sale in high number well over a year after its original release date. Why was this time different? POOR SALES.

Apple never releases sales of a single model. There is good reason. Because in many cases the older model continues to outsell the newest one for several months. Best Buy in Aug was offering as much as 50% off the iPhone 5 if you trade in a older 4S or 4 due to poor sales. Something they have never had to do before.

As of July 2012 - http://www.fiercewireless.com/...eat-expectations/2013-07-23 - It was reported that Apple had sold a total of 31M phones as of July. It took until January of 2013 before iPhone 5 sales finally were beating 4S sales. In that number of 31M sold since the release of the 5S, how much room is their for 30M sales of one model?

The sales of the iPhone have been dismal. Why is it that Apple refuses to report sales of individual items? They do this with iPad and they do this with iPhone and the Macs. In 28 years only roughly 135M people have a Mac. With the previous OS X release before this one I think it was, Apple stated that only 60M people had a Mac that could run that most recent version of OS X at that time. I think it was 2011, but am not positive.

Samsung reports the sales of its Galaxy devices as a single model. Especially when it comes to the S which is their flagship. Apple only had a single phone, but they have multiple models. Why not report them based on that model?

In 2012 Apple had sold 50M+ iPhone before the release of the iPhone 5. Those sales were made up of 3 models. The 3GS, the 4 and the 4S. While Samsung sold over 50M of just one model in 2012, the GS3.

You don't have to read between the lines to see the facts. if you read with the intensions of knowledge and not glancing fanboi rumors or always calling people haters just because they have something bad to say that you don't like, you will see them. The problem is fans have selective hearing and sight.

I am not a fan of any platform. My favorite was Windows Mobile which I used from 2003 up to 2008. In 2009 I bought my first iPhone and in 2010 I bought my last. I didn't stop buying iPhone because of hate, it was because for what they cost they offer nothing. They don't offer the features I need most like file transfer over BT and using my device as mass storage which is a huge benefit for me. I got sick of that bloated slow ass iTunes. I got sick of the onesie upgrade. I was ****ed that when I install iOS6 on my iPhone 4S that it got really laggy and slow. I have an iPad and I have an iPhone I use as an iPod in my car which has the USB connection through my radio so I can operate my music from the car stereo. I hated the fact APple changed this with the 5 for no reason other than forcing adoption of another proprietary piece of useless garbage. I like standards. Because standard are cheaper to produce because everything cost less, that means you get more variety and better options that are supported by all. Apple's support costs to much for what they give you.

Also look at Apple profits last year. Sure they were high, but sales were down. iPhone sales were high but they included all selling models, not just one. The numbers speak volumes if you read them properly and stop listening to Apple BS double-speak.

You can call be a hater of you want, I personally could give 2 cents. I want Apple to do better with that frikkin load of cash they have and all they've been doing for the past 3 years is millions of dollars in frivolous lawsuits and all they could give you with this new models were ugly colors and a useless sensor.

Dude, the same sites you just put in your argument say that sales beat expectations. It also states that while profits were DOWN, sales were UP.

What are you trying to argue here? You are failing badly.

Who's expectations? Because I expected them to be low....EVERYWHERE. Apple has said nothing about how many sold in 24hrs. I am sure the 5S will do better so certainly we will hear about that.

Until then the 5C looks to be a lose out the gate. Wonder why Apple cant sell 50M plastic phones? Because theirs are ugly vs Samsung selling them by the millions every month. lol

The problem is that its just a repackaged iphone 5 with a plastic case instead of the aluminum + the fingerprint reader. I'll bet that iphone 5 is still going to be cheaper than the 5c now the the S is out.

-adrian- said,
The 5C doesnt come with a fingerprint reader or 64bit. i think it is just the same as the 5er

Benchmark testing shows its exactly the same. I think it has a slightly larger battery, however.

Heartripper said,
If i were be to buy an iphone, i'd for sure buy a 5S or a cheaper 5/4S, not a 5C for sure.

5C is slightly better than the 5, though (and at the same price).

* Improved front camera.
* Improved LTE radio.
* Larger battery (some test show up to a 25% improvement in usable life over the iPhone 5).

And of course, just because of the redesigned back:
* No paint scratch issues.
* Less likely to bend.
* Thicker build (some complained about the iPhone 5 being "too thin").

Although it's a great phone and I think it will eventually sell well, it is just too expensive. If they'd priced it €100 lower it would have sold much better.

I agree, this isn't the kind of thing people line up to pre-order. actual sales will probably be in line with or slightly above what the iphone 4 was when it was the previous gen phone.

As nice as it it, it's just too expensive. People were expecting a substantially cheaper device than what we have been offered. Doesn't surprise me at all!

Mr.XXIV said,
I don't...I don't get this at all. Previous generation iPhones are always $100 less. What the hell..

But that's not what this was marketed as. All the media coverage was about a 'budget iPhone' and even analysts were caught out by its high price. People were expecting something that would compete with the mid-range Android phones that are dominating the market. Few want to buy what is regarded as a 'budget iPhone', especially not when it costs more than most high-end Android and Windows Phone devices.

Mr.XXIV said,
I don't...I don't get this at all. Previous generation iPhones are always $100 less. What the hell..

People normally don't go and preorder last year's model. I'm not sure why this one was offered a preorder and the 5S wasn't.

Mr.XXIV said,
The 5C is minimally more advanced than the 5, so why not?

There's a few enhancements, sure. But it's basically still the same phone with a new coat of paint. I'm not interested in it because I definitely want the 5S and that it doesn't come in a 64GB size.

i agree the iPhone 5C should have been a lot cheaper sim free, perhaps around the £299 in the uk, people look at the phones and think i might as well pay a few more quid and get the 5S (obviously if they are in the market soley for a iPhone)

theyarecomingforyou said,

That's my opinion. The UI looks terrible in comparison to iOS6.

Installed the GM early on my iPad 2. I love the new UI, that's my opinion!

theyarecomingforyou said,

That's my opinion. The UI looks terrible in comparison to iOS6.

So you love faux stuff... I quite enjoy the fresh clean look of iOS 7. It could have been better (widget, live tiles,...) but the things they did change/add are quite good.

I can't stand people who don't give things a chance when the transition to a change is huge. Let it improve just like every other debut.

Co-ords said,
As nice as it it, it's just too expensive. People were expecting a substantially cheaper device than what we have been offered. Doesn't surprise me at all!

That and the fact that the UK is in an economic quagmire that'll take years to get out of - the 5C is aimed at the emerging middle class in the growing economies in asia-pacific. Sorry but when your economy is in an economy quagmire there are more important things people are going to spend their money on than the latest gizmo.

Co-ords said,
People were expecting a substantially cheaper device than what we have been offered.

Who created the rumours and hype though? The same journalists who are reporting that sales are lower than expected. It's ridiculous!

Mr Nom Nom's said,
That and the fact that the UK is in an economic quagmire that'll take years to get out of - the 5C is aimed at the emerging middle class in the growing economies in asia-pacific. Sorry but when your economy is in an economy quagmire there are more important things people are going to spend their money on than the latest gizmo.
... like the iPhone 5S, rather than the 5C? It's not like the previous iPhones have done badly in the UK despite being *more* expensive. So, no, that doesn't make sense.