U.S. bans electronics on some international flights

After a scare in the air this week, the U.S. has purposed stronger regulations for incoming international flights to the U.S., which will prevent you from using your electronics on board in some cases. The ban is only for some international flights coming into the US, and not for domestic flights in the U.S.

The TSA released a statement regarding the new changes:
"Passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place. These measures are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere. Due to the busy holiday travel season, both domestic and international travellers should allot extra time for check-in."

The electronics ban is likely to be randomly enforced. Both British Airways and Virgin Atlantic have confirmed to Pocket Lint that travellers to the US from the UK will still be able to take electronic equipment such as laptops, DVD players and games consoles on their flight as usual.

According to a post on Twitter, the new security measures will add body searches and the electronic ban will be for some international flights only. The New York Times also reports that passengers will not be allowed to move from their seats an hour before landing, when the plane begins to descend.

Although this ban may only be temporary, it comes in effect just as passengers from all around the world will be heading to Las Vegas for CES 2010 and can expect a boring flight. A lot of passengers will be upset over this ban, when they won't be allowed to use their new iPod or Zune HD that they got for Christmas.

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I can see this going really badly. Not being allowed to use the bathroom the first/last hour of the flight? ok...I really could use alot of extra money right now, so let me say this. I suffer from IBS, and never know when I'll have to go to the bathroom. I travel for business alot, and make 4-6 international flights every year, minimum. If I'm told to sit in my seat on a flight, and I have to go #2....if I end up crapping myself because of this, you can bet for sure I'll be sueing both the government and the airline for not letting me use the bathroom, and for "Emotional suffering"

This sure as hell better not last very long....the terrorists are winning.

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-BF-

Time to cancel the travel plan next year to the "free land".
I will pick another place instead.

flying 4 to 6 hours without leaving the seat in the first 1 and last 1 hour is ok, but flying over 12 hours and be like this, and even without a blanket (removed on Singapore Air) is really sh~t.

We can't get up during the first and last hours of flight, so, what if I need to pee or take a dump, what if I have diarrhea? Should I pee or **** in my pants or in my seat? That is just plain stupid. I can take an airplane down at any moment of flight.

Klownicle said,
as a american I don't feel that things like this take away from what we call freedom.

What you call freedom is not what every one else calls freedom. I just don't understand how can anyone feel free (or safe for that matter) by giving up their freedoms.

Yes, let's all take down a system of laws that's set up to try and prevent anything from harming you by bringing up a one-in-a-million chance event.

Sheesh. In my 15 years of flying I have NEVER seen anyone need to use the bathroom so urgently during the final 15 minutes of a flight.

My god people are so whiny. No electrics and people start complaining like they know what's going on, using "security theatre" like it's a new phrase.

I have just got back home after a long haul flight and I really laugh at the security... The knife arch is just stupid (I had to go though the same arch due to me moving around the airport to change tickets and bags etc as the airline made a mistake. First time walked though -beep- hand wand all clear , few mins later second time -beep- had to remove boots, tried again -beep- hand wand over me all clear. About 10 mins later go though AGAIN - no beep- I was so surprised I asked to go though again and (it was quite at this time) and guess what... it beeped WTF!) uh crazy!

I can't believe people are complaining.

It's not like you need these things so get over it already.

You can use mobile phones to set off bombs these days so I think it's the best thing to do is to ban them full stop.

If you can use mobiles then I'm sure they'll find a way of using other things so an overall ban is the right thing.

You moaners are just being selfish and ignorant and I bet you'd change your tune if they didn't ban these things and then something happened.

I kinda agree with this, as a american I don't feel that things like this take away from what we call freedom. I think of it like this; They are currently hitting hard when it comes to using devices while you drive. IE; GPS's on Windshields, Texting on Cell Phones, Cell Phone usage Period. You have the potential to take a life when you get in a car accident due to neglect on your part while driving. Airline flight is the same in my mind. Your in a mode of transportation, this is not rancho relaxo. You can say thats harse but I for one have no problem giving up the ability to use a electronic device on a aircraft to prevent actions like above by someone of malicious intent.

Ehh, maybe just didn't get enough sleep.

Best ban alcohol while they're at it then, its not a necessity, and without it there's less chance of people getting run down by drunk drivers. Or how about dogs? People could use them as weapons.

Your reasoning is flawed, changing regulations to this extent is playing directly into the terrorists hands, this is after-all what they want; to cause terror.

So what does this really achieve? these regulations need to be put on all forms of transport or none at all, otherwise its pointless. You think the terrorists will simply think "oh shucks" and not find another way to kill people?

The only way to ever ultimately stop innocent people from dying is to figure out what got the terrorists so angry in the first place, then putting it right. Until this happens, more attacks, both successful and unsuccessful are inevitable, 9/11 and 7/11 will just the first of many.

TSO, firstly you cannot compare drunk drivers to terrorist, that's just retarded. Secondly, what's 7/11 referring to?

lee26 said,
TSO, firstly you cannot compare drunk drivers to terrorist, that's just retarded. Secondly, what's 7/11 referring to?

Retarded? No, I dont think so, I think retarded is people who think imposing ridiculous regulations will do anything more than inconvenience good honest people - IF ONLY it were that simple! Is there a reason you chose to ignore the rest of my comment? like politicians, remain ignorant to what you cannot explain or defend? 7/11 was a typo, what I meant to put was 7/7.

TSO said,
Best ban alcohol while they're at it then, its not a necessity, and without it there's less chance of people getting run down by drunk drivers. Or how about dogs? People could use them as weapons.

Your reasoning is flawed, changing regulations to this extent is playing directly into the terrorists hands, this is after-all what they want; to cause terror.

So what does this really achieve? these regulations need to be put on all forms of transport or none at all, otherwise its pointless. You think the terrorists will simply think "oh shucks" and not find another way to kill people?

The only way to ever ultimately stop innocent people from dying is to figure out what got the terrorists so angry in the first place, then putting it right. Until this happens, more attacks, both successful and unsuccessful are inevitable, 9/11 and 7/11 will just the first of many.

They do already ban drinking and driving. Or maybe you don't abide by tha t law. And as much as we hope everyone supports a peaceful resolution to anything. That cannot always be the solution. Not to say they have even tried a peaceful option.

Klownicle said,
And as much as we hope everyone supports a peaceful resolution to anything. That cannot always be the solution. Not to say they have even tried a peaceful option.

The solution is not to start an unjust war based on lies in the first place, doing so has achieved nothing more other than turn every american/british citizen into a target for terrorism. What can be done now other than inconveniencing thousands of people for little to no real benefit? We can withdraw our troops from a country in which they have no place in being, the issues and problems in Iraq are of concern to us, if they want to go about killing one another, so be it.

TSO said,
The solution is not to start an unjust war based on lies in the first place, doing so has achieved nothing more other than turn every american/british citizen into a target for terrorism. What can be done now other than inconveniencing thousands of people for little to no real benefit? We can withdraw our troops from a country in which they have no place in being, the issues and problems in Iraq are of concern to us, if they want to go about killing one another, so be it.

Can you honestly believe that someone like osama bin ladin may sit down with a cup of tea and talk things over. If im not mistaken, he struck (so says bush heh) first? What were his reasons for attacking then. Did we have troops over there at that time? By all means correct me if I'm wrong here, im not into the hole political aspect of this world.

I wouldn't "change my tune" if 20 planes came down tomorrow. I will not give in to terror. I will not give up my freedoms (willingly). The price of a truly free society is we get kicked in the shins from time to time.

The occasional successful terrorist attack is going to happen. Get over it. Man up. Show them it will have no effect on us as individuals and as a nation.

Here's a better idea; how about they withdraw from the illegal war in Iraq so everyday civilians are no longer just sitting targets waiting to be shot at.

The war on terror has ended. The terrorists have won. Look what they had you do. You're all chicken afraid of them, you gave your liberties, you can't even listen to music in-flight or go to the toilet. Lots of more people die each day because some drunk went for a drive in a car, yet they don't ban alcohol or even restrict it.

+1.

But I don't support alcohol banning, because this will provoke people to want it more, and then more people will be consuming it.

Well, I would advance that the terrorists have won their first battle: they managed to completely disrupt all the lives of the people flying to the US.
These new security measures are useless: terrorists will find new ways to hide explosive materials and not in electronic devices or would attack before the one-hour closure of the restrooms.

I've yet to see confirmation on this from an official source. Has anyone seen anything? They announced the new changes regarding having things in your lap and getting up during portions of the flight, but nothing about electronics... This has me concerned, as it may have ramifications for me.

hmm... what happens next is they have to perform full cavity searches on each individual before boarding any flights into the USA.

it could either smuggled drugs or a bomb up their iraqi asses

netsendjoe said,
hmm... what happens next is they have to perform full cavity searches on each individual before boarding any flights into the USA.

I believe that's reserved for the IRS and we only do that to our own citizens... :P

Matnation said,
I dont get it couldnt the on board crew use what we call a 'Taser Gun' to cripple any person let alone a terrorist?

Yeah, and if you bring guns you could shoot them. Oh wait... that would mean someone could overman the crew and take advantage of weapons! :o

Have to say I'm no longer looking forward to my Las Vegas trip next year. Then again, by that time we might be blindfolded and put to sleep when we enter the plane.

The idea of banning electronics is because any electronics with a working battery can start a fire in-flight very easily; within a couple of minutes.

The attack was done with everything attached to one guys leg, wasn't it? So really, any carry on access or any kind of electronics wouldn't help at all.

Let's be honest here: any large scale attack will not be done on an airplane, at least not any time soon. 9/11 took advantage of a few major weaknesses in the system, and those weaknesses have been largely removed. Most importantly, access to the cockpit is limited to only those who fly the plain. Simple installation of a lock and a secure door.

If a terrorist organization is going to perform an attack, it will not be in the air. There are so many other weaknesses that could be taken advantage of.

The goal of a terrorist is not to kill, but it is to cause terror. People are terrified of flying already. A true terrorist organization will, at some point, attack another vulnerability. Lock down the airports as much as you want, doesn't change what could happen as you're walking down the street.

just buy a private jet. my cousins have one, cost about 30k. no more the cost of a nice car and they fly over seas on it. i'd like to visit thailand with them :)

it's better to go private than commercial anyway.

Izlude said,
just buy a private jet. my cousins have one, cost about 30k. no more the cost of a nice car and they fly over seas on it. i'd like to visit thailand with them :)

it's better to go private than commercial anyway.

Yeah, you can buy a cheap jet, but fuel and maintenance costs are crazy.


Izlude said,
just buy a private jet. my cousins have one, cost about 30k. no more the cost of
a nice car and they fly over seas on it. i'd like to visit thailand with them :)

it's better to go private than commercial anyway.


That's until you work in the cost of flying lessons and obtaining a pilots license, or employing an experienced pilot to fly it for you.
I'm sure a decent private jet (even 2nd hand) would cost somewhat more than £30,000 to buy, and would cost quite a lot more
in ongoing costs than your average "nice car" taking things like maintenance, fuel, insurance ... etc ... into consideration.

Only a privileged few can afford such extravagance and luxury. Even fewer still with a worldwide recession still on.

Izlude said,
just buy a private jet. my cousins have one, cost about 30k. no more the cost of a nice car and they fly over seas on it. i'd like to visit thailand with them :)

it's better to go private than commercial anyway.

Brand new a trans pacific/atlantic capable private business jet will set you back around 35 million at cheapest brand new probably half that second hand. As said then you have to take into account training and license acquisition which is probably around 70,000-100,000 range then if do both of that just for one way of the flight you have to pay about $15,000 on fuel to get about 10-12,000km out of it which is one crossing of pacific or atlantic. This is based on gulfstream G550 average depending on aircraft could be higher. Although I would agree with you only if had money to burn would it be more viable option.

Maybe this will turn out good, as people have some time to appreciate the good life without those annoying electronics.

On the other hand, i don't see how this can help to prevent further incidents. If there's another incident in the future, what else should be banned?
Everyone then should board international flights to US naked!

But the administrations have to do something because of what happened. so merry go-around!

I don't see any of this is the root of the problem.

Oh lovely I'm sure this is doing great for US tourism lol. Glad I've never had any connecting or flights there for that matter and never will do even if it means going the "long way" round the earth

You guys realize that if you can't have electronics in your carry ons when you fly into the US, the airlines are going to make so much more money in extra baggage fees. Not to mention as someone who travels internationally a lot, the first rule is to never pack laptops into your checked luggage because of theft. Now travelers will be forced to do this, which is going to cause a huge problem, especially if your luggage goes missing.

...or they can be reasonable, and simply not allow you to pull your laptop out of your bag in flight. It's not like other passengers aren't going to snitch on you trying to sneak our your laptop when in reality they are under the same rules. Besides, attendants make repeated strolls through the cabin anyway.

All right, this Nigerian guy might have used some kinds of electronic device to try to trigger his bomb : Electronic devices are banned, right ?

Reid tried to used his shoes to bring down the plane he was in : Why don't they ban shoes on board of international flights ?

This ban sucks, it won't help inflight security as all this measures are obsolete... Body scan sniffing device would help while no one can prevent a well motivated criminal to do what he is bound to.

Have you ever gotten on an Air Plane at the El Paso, TX Air Port?

Sure, security at major air ports is great (and super annoying). But a terrorist just needs to find the weaker link.

I think if they took out all electronic entertainment for flights over 8 hours, there is more chance of the passengers spontaneously hijacking the plane or causing problems en route than terroist attacks! Seriously, it's very boring on a 14-16hr flight as you can sleep max of 8 hours, so what do you do for another 8? Yeah read a book but that's not for everyone and playing the 'which way do I pray' game gets tiring after a while.
Can't we all just 'go commando' in the planes to stave off underware bombers?

thornz0 said,
wow...sucks to fly into the US. that'll be awesome for international tourism I'm sure.

Are you serious? People aren't going to come to the U.S. because they can't use electronics on a plane? Yeah your probably right, our tourism industry is done for...

[b]Q: What additional security measures are being taken for international flights to U.S. destinations?
A: TSA issued a directive for additional security measures to be implemented for last point of departure international flights to the United States. Passengers flying into the United States from abroad can expect to see additional security measures at international airports such as increased gate screening including pat-downs and bag searches. During flight, passengers will be asked to follow flight crew instructions, such as stowing personal items, turning off electronic equipment and remaining seated during certain portions of the flight.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/dec25_guidance.shtm

1st of all - The A@@wipe in the NWA flight has the cr@p sewn into his underwear (This is based on news reports). I would ask how the F did he light it, I dont think you light what they called a firecracker (again news I saw) with an iPod (and if you do, then damm). So the 1st question is if he had a lighter or match or something who F'ed up as I cant even take deoderant or anything on my flights.
2nd for those who havent heard - i have bad news....a lot of the airlines have had to shut down in flight entertainment as well. You all (those who fly) have seen that channel that shows you the plane and where its at and how long you have to go. Well thats now banned, and since they cant just turn that off on the inflight entertainment the airlines have had to turn off the entire entertainment offering on alot of the planes. (This is based on news i saw)
Lastely what I cant wait to see, with these changes, does this mean that the upcoming internet access in the air features that the airlines are rolling out are now dead (no pun intended)?

Lets wait and see what really happens rather than just the 'hear-say'. But If I have to put my laptop in my checked luggaged... err no thanks !
And, if Im flying from NZ (home) to the UK (where family & friends are) and I have to do a 13hour flight with no ipod or lappy I will be making usre I go via Singapore rather then LA.
IF this eventuates its going to sting the US economy bad.

This won't keep this loons from doing their deadly deeds, they will just need to figure out the loopholes and exploit them. When these nuts really want to do something they will find a way. After all they will be heroes to their gods and a 100 virgins will be waiting for them in heaven or what ever crap they believe in.

So I guess if someone is going to do something on a plane now they should make sure to do it before the last hour of the flight. How does this make any sense?

RAINMAN said,
So I guess if someone is going to do something on a plane now they should make sure to do it before the last hour of the flight. How does this make any sense?

The plane tends to be flying over densely populated areas for the last hour of the trip.

RAINMAN said,
That is a generalized statement. What about the first hour of the flight then?

That was also included in the new restrictions from what I understand...

They'll get paranoid for a few months, then we'll be back to the same lax security we've enjoyed for the last few years.

It would be much easier just to close the border to citizens of some nations. New iron curtain is what we need until those people resolve their problems and prove they can play well with others.

Ha. Security. Right. So one person screws everyone else over. Just because one nut-job attempts to do something, doesn't mean that you have to restrict everyone.

Whats next, you can't go to the bathroom because you could make a bomb out of water and the cherry-smelling soap they have?

Brandon said,
Ha. Security. Right. So one person screws everyone else over. Just because one nut-job attempts to do something, doesn't mean that you have to restrict everyone.

Whats next, you can't go to the bathroom because you could make a bomb out of water and the cherry-smelling soap they have?


Well in theory...

Fair enough if it's just temporary. Its for the nations security and it may be annoying but having just escaped from a terrible attack I think these measures are justified.

RAINMAN said,
These changes will do nothing. It is all for show and just inconveniences all people traveling needlessly.

What about the people that aren't traveling needlessly?

The price of a truly free society is that the occasional nutter creates chaos and hurts people from time to time.

I'd like our customs and screening people to address this the way way El Al does and end the TSA "security theater" bull****. It's just killing the entire travel industry.

We secured the cockpit doors, FINALLY, and that was the only major loophole that needed to be addressed to keep planes being used as weapons. It would have prevented 9-11, period.

So instead of doing their job and properly screening people who are clearly listed on watch lists, they're just going to take away privileges from all passengers. Makes perfect sense to me. This will surely thwart the evil terrorists.

So instead of being safe, you'd rather have access to your Palm Pixie so you can play Bubble Breaker. Makes perfect sense to me.

chaos_disorder said,
So instead of doing their job and properly screening people who are clearly listed on watch lists, they're just going to take away privileges from all passengers. Makes perfect sense to me. This will surely thwart the evil terrorists.

Well if it makes you hate all them terrorists all the more, then yes it makes perfect sense.

xendrome said,
So instead of being safe, you'd rather have access to your Palm Pixie so you can play Bubble Breaker. Makes perfect sense to me.

How are you more safe if person A has to turn off whatever odd device he's carrying along, and then can happily activate it on US flights? This isn't helping your security. All it takes is one (1) extra ticket for that "terrist". Such a ridiculous assumption to make that no threat will come from within the US. That stance will bite them hard in the ass one day when they least expect it, and take a fleshy chunk with it.

xendrome said,
So instead of being safe, you'd rather have access to your Palm Pixie so you can play Bubble Breaker. Makes perfect sense to me.

Time and time again, these restrictions have been proven to be worthless. They fail almost every test thrown at them to sneak explosives or weapons on board.

They don't make you safe. They make you feel safe. It's called "security theater." Look it up.

xendrome said,
So instead of being safe, you'd rather have access to your Palm Pixie so you can play Bubble Breaker. Makes perfect sense to me.

If you really think that this makes you safe on a flight, then I don't know what to say to you.

Well, obviously they didn't just pick this randomly out of a hat to ban... I'm guessing the guy that was just caught on the 25th tried to use something with a handheld electronic device, or inside of it, to trigger a bomb/explosion.

So if thats the new thing they are trying, then it should prevent or deter that.

xendrome said,
So instead of being safe, you'd rather have access to your Palm Pixie so you can play Bubble Breaker. Makes perfect sense to me.

You think this is going to make you safe?

Yes, because the TSA consists of purely robots who never miss a beat, right? Perhaps they should just not check the list at all and you'll see how many potentially dangerous people there are on planes, and you'll cut the TSA some slack.

xendrome said,
Well, obviously they didn't just pick this randomly out of a hat to ban... I'm guessing the guy that was just caught on the 25th tried to use something with a handheld electronic device, or inside of it, to trigger a bomb/explosion.

So if thats the new thing they are trying, then it should prevent or deter that.


Wait until someone sneaks explosives to the plane in his ass =)

Why? they are a business not a charity. There is this little forgotten invention called a book people can use to entertain themselves.

Xerxes said,
Why? they are a business not a charity. There is this little forgotten invention called a book people can use to entertain themselves.

So people that like electronics yet dont read books, have to read books?
Imagine the reverse; You cant read your local newspaper but you can online.