US government calls for ban of all cellphone use in cars

If the National Transportation and Safety Board has its way, US citizens would be banned from talking on any cellphone or personal electronic devices while they are driving a moving vehicle. Today, the Washington Post reports that the NTSB will hold a press conference later today to go over the details of its recommendations.

The proposed ban on cellphone use while driving follows the completion of an investigation by the NTSB of a massive car pile up in Missouri in 2010 where two people died and 38 people were injured. One of the two people who was killed was the 19 year old driver of a pickup truck who either sent or received 11 text messages on his cellphone over a period of 11 minutes before his truck collided with a school bus full of children.

There is one exception to this recommendation. The NTSB says that cellphones and other similar devices can be used by drivers in emergency situations; Bluetooth devices are also excluded from the recommendation list.

While the board has no authority to create or enforce traffic and safety laws, its recommendations could influence state lawmakers into taking action. It's more than possible that a large number of US states, if not all of them, will draft laws that will follow the NTSB's proposals.

Update: CNN reports that this ban would not apply to hands-free devices.

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Been quite glad that my state is one that hasn't enacted the cell phone ban. I use my phone responsibly. Don't restrict me because there are other morons that don't.

When will they realize its not the texting its the fact that people just dont pay attention. So banning phones is never going to change anything.

Just another example of the government trying to become a nanny state. Really? Half of the people aren't going to follow that law. And not everybody seems to realize that holding your cell phone while it's on speakerphone is not handsfree. Just because you're not holding it to your ear does not mean that it's handsfree. And leaving the phone on your lap while it's on speakerphone? What if it slides off of your lap, you go to grab it and swerve and hit someone or something? Bet you'll wish you had a handsfree device then. I'd rather look stupid and drive safely, thank you. /rant

Anthony S said,
Just another example of the government trying to become a nanny state. Really? Half of the people aren't going to follow that law. And not everybody seems to realize that holding your cell phone while it's on speakerphone is not handsfree. Just because you're not holding it to your ear does not mean that it's handsfree. And leaving the phone on your lap while it's on speakerphone? What if it slides off of your lap, you go to grab it and swerve and hit someone or something? Bet you'll wish you had a handsfree device then. I'd rather look stupid and drive safely, thank you. /rant

A lot of people are stupid though, and they need laws and enforcement to prevent them from dying.

If laws were realistic and effective, half the people with licenses wouldn't have them anymore.

Ban stupid drivers first.

*What defines a stupid driver you ask? Anyone who drives a Nissan or Honda and is foreign

(just trolling)*

Talking on the phone obviously impairs people's ability to drive. I see it every day. I get so angry seeing people on the phone and driving. It's nearly as bad as changing lanes and not using a turning signal. They endanger the lives of everyone on the road.

They need to do this if for no other reason than to universalize the ban. Too many states and municipalities have already done this on their own and it causes inconsistent and confusing regulation. Anyways, there's simply no excuse for texting while driving, ever, and I'm all for a ban. People have had the chance to exercise restraint and be personally responsible, but they haven't. It's not some minority of people that do this, I see them up and down the roads each and every day and it needs to stop.

Great idea; but with NO exceptions. If there is a true "emergency, the driver will be stopped or will have stopped to report the emergency. Why do bluetooth devices get a free pass?

Using a tragic car crash such as the one in KC, to push their agenda is just plain wrong.
How many deaths have been caused by someone switching radio stations, lighting a cigarette, trying to find something that fell in the floor, swatting a fly/bug, arguing with someone in the back seat? Are we going to ban that also? (shhhh...don't give them any ideas!). We (in the USA) currently have laws on the books to deal with distracted driving! It's called C&I, careless & imprudent driving. If you are CARELESS, (not paying attention) that covers something as stupid as trying to text on the phone.
If this ever goes into effect, look for them to end up trying to stop drinking coffee, eating any food, playing music, talking to anyone else in the car.
In the USA, you use to take personal responsibility for your actions. Now, we look to the imperial federal government to solve everything.

I don't know about Queensland as I live in Victoria and have been to New South wales and Adelaide and "hands free / sat navs" are not banned in those states.
Mind you you must admit like the USA some things could only happen in Queensland.

Caveman-ugh said,
I don't know about Queensland as I live in Victoria and have been to New South wales and Adelaide and "hands free / sat navs" are not banned in those states.
Mind you you must admit like the USA some things could only happen in Queensland.

Haha, totally true! Queensland, the smart state? (I question that logic)...

All this shows that the USA is well behind the times as far as mobile phone usage is cincerned. In Australia texting and holding a mobile is against the law, but......using blue tooth to make calls is not, but then you have to be stopped in order to dial the number otherwise the car system won't take the number.
How can the USA be so far behind......mind you it is not the only thing that they are behind in.......Gun Control !!

Caveman-ugh said,
All this shows that the USA is well behind the times as far as mobile phone usage is cincerned. In Australia texting and holding a mobile is against the law, but......using blue tooth to make calls is not, but then you have to be stopped in order to dial the number otherwise the car system won't take the number.
How can the USA be so far behind......mind you it is not the only thing that they are behind in.......Gun Control !!

That's different in every state in Australia. Even Australia can't agree on what should be allowed... I'm in QLD so its like that here, and they even tried banning fog-lights and sat-navs here. That didn't go so well. In the NT talking on the phone is a $500 fine. Whether handsfree is okay or not is up to the officer at the time...

So there's a great deal of discrepancy, but certainly this could open up a whole new can of worms where the crappy drivers dictate what the intelligent drivers are allowed to do.

CrimsonBetrayal said,
And what about those new cars with touch screen interfaces... how is that not as dangerous as talking on a mobile?

You know that those touch screens stop working while driving right? And if you need most basic things in your car now are on your steering wheels or voice activated. Shows how much you know.

another bullsh!t ban... I don't text as much and I use bluetooth...
what's next ? ban smoking in your own car? or ban listening to music?
blah blah...

Can I ask why? Smoking while driving takes up a hand, and having passengers in the car takes your attention away from the road (conversations, etc). So wouldn't a smoker with passengers not be equally as dangerous on the road as a person using a mobile phone while driving? If that person had a hands-free kit, then it is no different than having passengers in the car, so when will that be banned?

Wouldn't educating over mandating be a better option?

I have a laptop in my vehicle for work and I am contantly using it. Not usually typing messages and things but regularly clicking around and such. As long as you don't follow closly behind people when you do it and don't take your eyes off the road for more than a second your fine. I also don't use my laptop when I'm driving much faster than 50 mph.

OK, here we go. Texting is NOT (repeat) NOT limited to SMS MESSAGES, it's ANY (and I do mean) *ANY* interaction with your phone DURING driving, and driving is you turn the key to on.. even if vehicle is NOT moving is "driving". . . . Until that key is OFF you are driving, and it's ILLEGAL to "text". Now we know people are idiots (not saying anyone in this forum is included, but you DO know who you are... ) and people cannot control themselves. I find myself on the verge of rage when I see some woman texting, light changes, and she is busy tapping on her phone, or someone that weaves while driving, or not paying attention at a bus stop full of kids.

I am going to be mean.. I *HOPE* that people that find this law repulsive and you don't agree with it at face value, I *HOPE* your wife, girlfriend, significant other gets run over on a sidewalk or a parking lot, or you get rear ended at a light, or someone in your family gets killed as a result of a TEXTing driver, because *THEN* maybe you will take it serious, you won't REALIZE the impact UNTIL it happens to you. *WHEN* that day happens, what price did you pay by some MORON not putting the god damn phone down?

You cannot be trusted, and we need LAWS (unfortunately) to stop dumb ass compulsive people from doing it. PERIOD.

Extreme!? You bet your ASS it is, and if any of you dip****s get in my way while driving in your car, and you have a phone in your hand, guess what.. CAN of GRADE 'A" Whup ASS is coming your way.

Edited by rijp, Dec 13 2011, 10:13pm :

Ban them and ban them NOW! Driving, walking thru a mall, IN A DAMN THEATER people are on a cell phone... I say ban them in cars for sure and Theaters need to step up and ban them from even being ON or Opened up while movie is going. The lights alone will light up a whole room on them. Movie over = 100 phones light up....makes me sick! I leave mine in the car when I go to a movie, if someone needs me bad enough they can find me or wait...its just that damn simple and don't you think for a second I won't say nothing to someone with a phone open to close it or I'll get up and tell management to tell you!

They need to ban cell phones in cars. I swear every time I'm driving where I live people cannot do anything right. You'll see people pulling out of a store, or something going really slow, driving down the wrong lane in a parking lot at a store, switching lanes without signalling, not moving when the light is green, or driving too slow. All while on a stupid cell phone.

If you can use a cell phone that goes through a speaker or something, then that's fine, but not will holding it.

They have fines of $200-$250 if you are on a cell phone while going through a school zone, but that is about it.

in Spain the following is illegal:
- usage of cellphones in any capacity (calls, texts)
- programming a GPS while driving (it should be done while stopped). the law literally does say programming (as in programming a trip), but if you want to shut the thing up there aint much other than to touch the thing.
- headphones, earphones, and ear pieces of any kind, even if bluetooth.

only 'hands free' calling devices allowed are those that sound either through the car speakers or to a special speaker.

as for the stereo, most (New) cars have the controls for that on the steering wheel anyway

I believe this is something that technology should be adapted and standardized to deal with this day in age. Anyone agree?

The only people who are mad about this are the people who talk and text on their phones while driving anyway.

It's illegal in Québec/Canada since a while now. Most people have Bluetooth, and a lot of people use them for Texting still. Penality is 80$-100$ + Losing 3 points on you're permit..

Rolled this out in Saskatchewan, Canada last year. The problem is that the police are so busy looking at their computer screens and blackberries, they often miss texters that pass unless it's a blitz to specifically target that violation.

I really dont understand why there isnt a better interface with phones and MMS to allow for small audio clips to be recorded and quickly played back. Like the voice messages on XBOX Live. Cant type it fast enough, say it and then allow me when it's appropriate to play it back and when.

This would be perfect in a car. One button record, tap again and send. Get the new one tap once to listen. Oh dont want to hear their reply because you are ordering at a drive-thru or whatever, then wait and play it later.

roadwarrior said,
Uhhh, ever heard of letting a call go to voicemail? That achieves essentially the same thing you are describing.

Not fast enough. This should be a back and forth thing at the speed and convenience of text.

We've had this in Ontario Canada for a while now, and it seems to be helping even though I still see people on them all the time. Makes me want to cut them off just to see if they are actually paying attention.

The question shouldn't be "Do you trust yourself to drive and talk at the same time?" but "Do you trust others to do the same thing?"

The answer should be a firm "No".

So, I guess my aspirations of a car PC when/if I learn how to drive, (I'm 17 now & still don't have my permit,) are basically gonaa say, "hell no!"

Out of curiosity, how many people here are aware of the difference between anecdotal experience, and studies conducted under strict controls, a century's worth of statistical methods? My only experience in this thread is with this techbeck fellow, but is his blindness indicative of the average person here?

ffenliv said,
Out of curiosity, how many people here are aware of the difference between anecdotal experience, and studies conducted under strict controls, a century's worth of statistical methods? My only experience in this thread is with this techbeck fellow, but is his blindness indicative of the average person here?

Dude, I an see now you are being just plain stupid and like to name call (calling me blind) because I voiced my opinion. But hey, I guess in your world my likes/dislikes is blindness and makes me stupid.

Learn to tolerate others opinions and move on. Seriously, get over it. I can go on Google and post studies all day long as well. If people were not able to form their own opinions and have their own thoughts, then we would all be following what someone else told use and be mindless sheep. Studies can also be flawed/skewed and have been many many times...especially when it suits a persons/groups needs.

techbeck said,

Dude, I an see now you are being just plain stupid and like to name call (calling me blind) because I voiced my opinion. But hey, I guess in your world my likes/dislikes is blindness and makes me stupid.

Learn to tolerate others opinions and move on. Seriously, get over it. I can go on Google and post studies all day long as well. If people were not able to form their own opinions and have their own thoughts, then we would all be following what someone else told use and be mindless sheep. Studies can also be flawed/skewed and have been many many times...especially when it suits a persons/groups needs.

A fair try, but you've missed again. I'm not attempting to silence someone else. I wanted to engage in a debate. I'm quite open to changing my view if someone can convince me. Unfortunately, your personal experience does not make a convincing argument for people OTHER than you.

You live in a world built on science, but you want to deny it when it doesn't suit you.

Imagine all the people hitting their brakes and pulling over to the side of the road when they get a phone call if this is passed. I see a lot of accidents from this because some people have to always answer their phones.

techbeck said,
Imagine all the people hitting their brakes and pulling over to the side of the road when they get a phone call if this is passed. I see a lot of accidents from this because some people have to always answer their phones.

I may have misread, but are not hands-free devices excepted under the proposed legislation? The people who are so nuts about their phones that they simply can't let a call go are free to purchase such a device.

ffenliv said,

I may have misread, but are not hands-free devices excepted under the proposed legislation? The people who are so nuts about their phones that they simply can't let a call go are free to purchase such a device.

Yes, they can purchase a hands free device but I kinda doubt many will. States have already passed these laws. I have been in these states and have seen more people still holding a cell phone trying to conceal it then people using hands free devices.

Don't you just love how because of a few fuktards that do stupid things, the majority of people that can chew gum and walk get punished for it? Worse yet are all the silly little ninnys that cheer on more restrictions so they can feel "safer", same people that think TSA is a good idea probably.

Hahaiah said,
Don't you just love how because of a few fuktards that do stupid things, the majority of people that can chew gum and walk get punished for it? Worse yet are all the silly little ninnys that cheer on more restrictions so they can feel "safer", same people that think TSA is a good idea probably.


So because you are to retarded to stop the car to take a phone call does not make us a ****tard but hey if you think driving a car is the special Olympics and to you others safety does not matter the only ****tard is you. And about TSA I do not see the comparison with this story other than you are.comparing to majority of morons who have nothing better to and complain about everything.

last time a report was published on the list of accident causes it went something like this:
(Please note that this list was changed from prior years, alcohol/drugs no longer counted)
1. Passengers
2. Radio/CD related Devices
3. Food/Drinks
4. Books/Newspapers
5. Driver Impairment (Sleep or medical)
6. Cellphone Texting
7. Cellphone Talking

The sad part is they have also changed accident reporting rules, if a cellphone is used in a 10 minute window around a accident, it is reported as a cellphone related accident. I had this happen to me, where some id10t cut me off, I hit him, called 911 on my hands free system in my pickup truck. The final policy report noted that I had been on the cellphone, and my insurance company raised my rates and demained that I un-install the cellphone from the car. I finally got someone at the insurance company with a brain, and got them to look at my call bill report to show the only calls around the time of the accident was to 911 and then to the non emergency police number because 911 was not able to transfer me over to the local police because some issues.

Texting while driving is retarded compared to talking on a phone talking on a Phone is not any better while driving as for hands free aka Bluetooth which my car is built in and do not need a Bluetooth headset is great but I still rather not be on a phone and talk. Sure satalite radio or an MP3 player could also be a distraction but on a MP3 player you can make a playlist to, there are ways to make a music less distractive. For me I still feel distracted using.bluetooth or hands free in my car so I just do not bother taking the calls. Why don't people pull aside the road or stop somewhere to take the calls or just let them leave a voice message if important?

Think this is stupid. Real problem is TEXTING not talking. I doubt holding a device to your head and talking is a real problem. People drive one handed all the time. No different that talking to someone next to you and looking over at them occasionally when you talk. Plus, I can imagine the parking lot on the side of the roads where people pull over to talk if is illegal to talk and drive. Dont think it will be really safe if there are cars all over the side of the road.

Texting you divert your eyes from the road...talking, is different.

techbeck said,
Think this is stupid. Real problem is TEXTING not talking. I doubt holding a device to your head and talking is a real problem. People drive one handed all the time. No different that talking to someone next to you and looking over at them occasionally when you talk. Plus, I can imagine the parking lot on the side of the roads where people pull over to talk if is illegal to talk and drive. Dont think it will be really safe if there are cars all over the side of the road.

Texting you divert your eyes from the road...talking, is different.

Holding onto a phone and talking to someone is actually QUITE different from talking to someone in the seat next to you. Speaking to someone not in the same room as you involves other parts of the brain than ordinary in-the-room conversation does. In addition, holding the phone itself is a physical distraction.

ffenliv said,

Holding onto a phone and talking to someone is actually QUITE different from talking to someone in the seat next to you. Speaking to someone not in the same room as you involves other parts of the brain than ordinary in-the-room conversation does. In addition, holding the phone itself is a physical distraction.

Holding a phone is not a distraction. Maybe for the weak minded and TEXTING. People who constantly look over at their passenger while talking...or screaming/misbehaving kids is a distraction.

techbeck said,
Think this is stupid. Real problem is TEXTING not talking. I doubt holding a device to your head and talking is a real problem. People drive one handed all the time. No different that talking to someone next to you and looking over at them occasionally when you talk. Plus, I can imagine the parking lot on the side of the roads where people pull over to talk if is illegal to talk and drive. Dont think it will be really safe if there are cars all over the side of the road.

Texting you divert your eyes from the road...talking, is different.

Actually talking on a phone can be a problem also because most people can concen

techbeck said,

Holding a phone is not a distraction. Maybe for the weak minded and TEXTING. People who constantly look over at their passenger while talking...or screaming/misbehaving kids is a distraction.

You're like virtually everyone else I know. You think it's not a distraction. You think that you're better than others, as evidenced by the 'weak-minded' nonsense. You'll continue to think that right up to the moment you drive into a tree while holding a phone to your ear.

I'm not saying it happens to everyone, but it's definitely a distraction. I'll dig up some links to studies. If you want to deny the math then, you are, of course, more than welcome to it, but it'll also be the end of your credibility.

ffenliv said,

You're like virtually everyone else I know. You think it's not a distraction. You think that you're better than others, as evidenced by the 'weak-minded' nonsense. You'll continue to think that right up to the moment you drive into a tree while holding a phone to your ear.

I'm not saying it happens to everyone, but it's definitely a distraction. I'll dig up some links to studies. If you want to deny the math then, you are, of course, more than welcome to it, but it'll also be the end of your credibility.

Yea, likely the studies survey a small amount of people/areas as well. I have been talking on a cell phone while driving for over 10 years and never had a problem. I lived in Phoenix for 15 years and I saw a heck of a lot more people not even looking before they merge, not using their turn signals, or were young kids that had issues with driving without a cell phone let alone with one. Problem is is that people do not know how to drive these days if there was a cell phone involved or not.

What about DVDs/TVs in cars? I have seen these systems a lot in hte FRONT of the car and drivers looking at the damn TV. More of a distraction than you claim cell phones are.

And dont talk about my credibility because that is just plain stupid. A lot of people do not care about surveys or studies since again, its a small group that is studied. I am not the only one here that do not hold a lot of faith in them. I am voicing my opinion and has nothing to do with my credibility. But thanks for a good laugh.

techbeck said,

Yea, likely the studies survey a small amount of people/areas as well. I have been talking on a cell phone while driving for over 10 years and never had a problem. I lived in Phoenix for 15 years and I saw a heck of a lot more people not even looking before they merge, not using their turn signals, or were young kids that had issues with driving without a cell phone let alone with one. Problem is is that people do not know how to drive these days if there was a cell phone involved or not.

What about DVDs/TVs in cars? I have seen these systems a lot in hte FRONT of the car and drivers looking at the damn TV. More of a distraction than you claim cell phones are.

And dont talk about my credibility because that is just plain stupid. A lot of people do not care about surveys or studies since again, its a small group that is studied. I am not the only one here that do not hold a lot of faith in them. I am voicing my opinion and has nothing to do with my credibility. But thanks for a good laugh.

People don't care about studies? You know that these are items that appear in peer-reviewed journals, where great care is taken to ensure the statistical validity of what they do, right?

You also committed two foolish mistakes there: Just because YOU haven't had a problem, doesn't mean that the general population doesn't You may indeed be 'special'. You may be the exception to the norm, but, by definition, that means that you shouldn't really be considered when legislating here. Also, citing OTHER distraction issues doesn't make cell-phones any worse. I agree that drivers playing movies up front is stupid. Very stupid. But the stupidity of these things doesn't make talking and driving less stupid.

http://www.psych.utah.edu/Appl...nitionLab/StrayerHFES04.pdf

That was the first result from Google Scholar. No intense research was required. There are hundreds more.

I'm guessing your response will be to dismiss the hard work of others, instead preferring to rely on your personal, anecdotal experience. Granted, this study uses 40 individuals, and not hundreds, but the statistical methods used are valid, and can likely be extended out to your average person.

I'm more than happy to grant you your opinion, but your opinion should have quite little to do with law-making when there's .... whatchacallit ... science available.

techbeck said,
Think this is stupid. Real problem is TEXTING not talking. I doubt holding a device to your head and talking is a real problem. People drive one handed all the time. No different that talking to someone next to you and looking over at them occasionally when you talk. Plus, I can imagine the parking lot on the side of the roads where people pull over to talk if is illegal to talk and drive. Dont think it will be really safe if there are cars all over the side of the road.

Texting you divert your eyes from the road...talking, is different.

Exactly. I do have a problem with people texting on the road, but I honestly don't see what's the whole deal about holding your phone to your ear while driving. Like you've said, many people driving one-handed anyway, it's not like it's going to make a big difference going hands free. What if I was driving with one hand and using a Bluetooth earpiece? What difference does it make? As long as you follow all the proper procedures while driving (Check your mirror, etc etc) it's really not an issue in my opinion. Heck, I drive a manual transmission too.

I've been accident free and ticket-free since I've started driving. Ticket free because I pay attention to the road, and look out for where the cops are.

chconline said,

Exactly. I do have a problem with people texting on the road,

My sister texts all the time when she drives. Annoys the hell out of me. I wont lie, I have done it once or twice but not when there was anyone else near me. Yea, doesnt make it right...but hey, I'm only human.

I seen cops use there cellphones while driving does that mean they are better multitaskers? I mean the way cops have been lately cant point and shoot correctly or better make wise choices would I dare put my life in a hands of people that cant tell whether they would be holding a gun or a taser?

I'm at work, which limits my abilities to look these things up, but I"ve read and heard about several studies in recent years that show that speaking to someone not in your presence activates other parts of the brain, and does indeed contribute to distractedness.

This is really aimed at the people here who have suggested that holding onto a phone and talking while driving isn't 'that great a distraction'. Even the use of handsfree sets contributes to distractedness. Add that mental distraction to the physical distraction of holding a phone, and you have a bad mix.

For some reason, talking and driving is one of those things that most people think they do better than everyone else (which is, by definition, false), right up until they cause an accident.

ffenliv said,

For some reason, talking and driving is one of those things that most people think they do better than everyone else (which is, by definition, false), right up until they cause an accident.

So lets ban all passengers from the car then. All cars are now only suited for one person and no one else. I have seen people talking to passengers divert their eyes more than someone who is talking on a cell phone. I NEVER divert my eyes from the road when I am talking...check all my mirrors...never had a problem.

techbeck said,

So lets ban all passengers from the car then. All cars are now only suited for one person and no one else. I have seen people talking to passengers divert their eyes more than someone who is talking on a cell phone. I NEVER divert my eyes from the road when I am talking...check all my mirrors...never had a problem.

maybe some people can multitask better than others but i can tell even myself if i was on a cell phone having a decent conversation odds are my attention span on the road would take a hit as i can just tell it would and i am sure there is many people like me to where if they are focused on one thing they are fine but once you start having to do two things at once it's not a good thing.

if i was on the phone briefly i might be fine but i would NOT want to go several minutes talking on a cell phone while driving as i can just tell it raises my chances of accident especially if your in higher traffic areas which require more focus in general. which i why i almost never use cell phone period while driving.

plus with the 'never diverting eyes' thing... like i was saying, it's not just looking at the road but your ATTENTION needs to be on the road pretty much fully otherwise your chances of accident go up especially in higher traffic areas where you need to be more aware/focused where as if i (or many others i suspect) was talking on a cell phone even if i was semi-looking at the road i am pretty sure my overall attention on the road takes a hit.

because while some might be able to multitask fairly well i am pretty sure there is MANY like me to where if your doing one thing your fine but once you start doing more than one thing that requires any decent level of attention/concentration your attention levels on both tasks take a hit to where your only half-assed doing both things or if you focus on conversation your attention on road would take a hit or if you focus on road you won't be able to listen to the conversation to well especially if your talking for any length of time on the cell phone.

Personally, and I don't know if this has been stated yet, I would like to see something come out that when the car is on cell phone use is blocked. No matter how many laws are created to combat this, people will always try to get away with it. Without cellular disruption, no one will will care until it happens to them. Cell phone use has been banned in my state already, and I still see even cops using their phones, and they are the ones supposed to be enforcing this law.

microjunk said,
Personally, and I don't know if this has been stated yet, I would like to see something come out that when the car is on cell phone use is blocked. No matter how many laws are created to combat this, people will always try to get away with it. Without cellular disruption, no one will will care until it happens to them. Cell phone use has been banned in my state already, and I still see even cops using their phones, and they are the ones supposed to be enforcing this law.

So, if you're hurt in a car wreck or worse, veered off into a ditch where no one can see you and can't move your legs, only your arms, you can't make a call. Yeah, that's a good user for a technology right there.

jdegree said,
Today cellphones. What will it be tomorrow? Radios, CD's, eating. drinking, kids, Garmins....etc.

i see your point but realistically getting rid of cell phone use during driving can be nothing but a good thing as people are not FULLY paying attention to the road and it's not like it's only very briefly either as they go on and on like that for a while to which further raises their chances of a accident.

personally texting is just plain stupid while driving since your eyes are going off the road longer than they should be. using the regular cell phone to just talk is distraction enough as it is as you can tell your average person talking on a cell phone is only semi-paying attention to the road.

plus those younger drivers are bad enough drivers even WITHOUT cell phones, so with them it's just a accident waiting to happen.

but sad thing is... people are going to be people so even if they ban them while driving it will probably take a while before start to cut back and even then people will just try to find ways around it etc.

jdegree said,
Today cellphones. What will it be tomorrow? Radios, CD's, eating. drinking, kids, Garmins....etc.

You shouldn't use any devices which distract your attention from the road..no tuning the radio, no re-navigating on a sat nav etc.

I'd completely support this ban going through.
The amount of times I've been cut off and almost hit by idiots that are on their phone is insane.
Too many people in this country shouldn't have a license as is, so allowing them to divert their eyes off the road is a death-wish.

Astra.Xtreme said,
I'd completely support this ban going through.
The amount of times I've been cut off and almost hit by idiots that are on their phone is insane.
Too many people in this country shouldn't have a license as is, so allowing them to divert their eyes off the road is a death-wish.

everytime i get into my car, or anyone elses, I remind myself. I am in a deadly weapon. even though i do send short texts or quick calls.. none of my calls are distracting.

but some people. i just dont know WTF is wrong with them. ill see them every day going down the road either randomly merging into your lane or just taking up 2 lanes. its insane.

although i do believe the ban is a little harsh. it probably is a must when it comes to safety.

otherwise, i just see this as being another way for police to meet their quota.

and as someone else stated before. i wanna see the police get off their phones and get back to work. and yes they are on their phones. if they were talking to someone they were working with they would use the radio.

I say we ban children from cars. They can be much more distracting than talking on a cell phone and in many cases, texting...

+1
This right here would have stopped the dumbshit who rear ended me going over 40MPH this summer while I was stopped for a red light.

mrwillia said,
I say we ban children from cars. They can be much more distracting than talking on a cell phone and in many cases, texting...

Duct Tape!

Duct tape them to the roof, everything will be fine. Kids have a enjoyable and exciting ride, securely fastened to the car, and the driver and passenger have a nice quite relaxing drive.

Zippo7 said,
+1
This right here would have stopped the dumbshit who rear ended me going over 40MPH this summer while I was stopped for a red light.

Sorry wrong person

-=SEDIN=- said,
When police stop using them then I'll stop using them.

When you get extra driving advanced training to the high standard that the police have to be trained to, maybe.. just maybe I'd say ok... but to be honest, they have a job to do, and they've had to under go a lot more training then your drvers ed corse that you fluke passed and never had any extra training since to brush up on bad habbits you've picked up along the way after getting your drivers license.

-=SEDIN=- said,
When police stop using them then I'll stop using them.

Personally I couldn't agree more. Next they will be pulling us over to make sure we are not on the phone because it may have looked like we were and if we are going to make this a criminal offense then we should not be forced to have insurance unless we have committed a number of infractions which warrants insurance or something to that effect. After all we have insurance for a reason and the more rules we put on top of it with the guise of safety just makes our country more like a communism...

The real danger is not too do with whether the phone is being held or not, it's too do with driver distraction. Talking on hands-free is as dangerous as being drunk at the wheel.

dancedar said,
The real danger is not too do with whether the phone is being held or not, it's too do with driver distraction. Talking on hands-free is as dangerous as being drunk at the wheel.

I would agree with texting, but talking hands-free is nowhere near as dangerous as drunk driving, and it is completely asinine to say it is. -1.

dancedar said,
The real danger is not too do with whether the phone is being held or not, it's too do with driver distraction. Talking on hands-free is as dangerous as being drunk at the wheel.

No it isn't, don't be ridiculous. Maybe if you were having a blazing row on the phone it would be distracting, but a normal conversation really isn't.

This is a ridiculous law. We already have laws on the books to cover this - it's called "inattentive driving." Let's enforce the laws we already have on the books.

In addition, why is it ok to eat while driving? Or read a magazine/book/newspaper? Again, it all falls under "inattentive driving."

Fezmid said,
This is a ridiculous law. We already have laws on the books to cover this - it's called "inattentive driving." Let's enforce the laws we already have on the books.

In addition, why is it ok to eat while driving? Or read a magazine/book/newspaper? Again, it all falls under "inattentive driving."

Reading a magazine/newspaper shouldn't be okay.

Eating should be. I eat my breakfast every day to work.. it doesn't distract me and it doesn't stop me from using all of the controls. I can still change gears, use the handbrake and steer.

Anything that distracts your attention or makes you incapable of driving due to your hands not being free should be banned.

Fezmid said,
This is a ridiculous law. We already have laws on the books to cover this - it's called "inattentive driving." Let's enforce the laws we already have on the books.

In addition, why is it ok to eat while driving? Or read a magazine/book/newspaper? Again, it all falls under "inattentive driving."

It's not a law, its a recomendation by the NTSB, which is non-binding, congress can then use that to write laws if they want to

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Reading a magazine/newspaper shouldn't be okay.

Eating should be. I eat my breakfast every day to work.. it doesn't distract me and it doesn't stop me from using all of the controls. I can still change gears, use the handbrake and steer.

Anything that distracts your attention or makes you incapable of driving due to your hands not being free should be banned.

Where I live it's illegal to talk/text, way and drink while driving.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

I eat my breakfast every day to work.. it doesn't distract me and it doesn't stop me from using all of the controls.

Anything that distracts your attention or makes you incapable of driving due to your hands not being free should be banned.

So you eat without using your hands....?

And what about choking? If you swallow something wrong and start choking, you'll cause an accident.

Fezmid said,

So you eat without using your hands....?

And what about choking? If you swallow something wrong and start choking, you'll cause an accident.

No but I'm not incapable of driving whilst I'm eating.

You could say that about lots of things. What I break my hand whilst using the handbrake, or something gets in my eye whilst driving. Maybe I should drive around with flight goggles on from now on. Maybe cars shouldn't have windows just in case a wasp gets in and makes somebody cause an accident..

Let's be realistic.

In the UK, we havent been allowed to talk or text on phones in cars in years.I hear they're also considering handsfree ban as well.

Talking on the phone using a hands free kit or talking to a passenger isn't that distracting imo. I can quite easily concentrate on the road. The problem comes from looking away from the road to make a call or send a text. When you can speak to a hands free kit to make a call or dictate a text, that danger is averted.

Texting whilst driving is STUPID. Ridiculously stupid. Anybody who does it should be shot. It's not actually legal in the US to text while driving is it?

Hardcore Til I Die said,
Talking on the phone using a hands free kit or talking to a passenger isn't that distracting imo. I can quite easily concentrate on the road. The problem comes from looking away from the road to make a call or send a text. When you can speak to a hands free kit to make a call or dictate a text, that danger is averted.

Texting whilst driving is STUPID. Ridiculously stupid. Anybody who does it should be shot. It's not actually legal in the US to text while driving is it?


I DO get distracted by people talking to me while driving. Not always, but I tend to concentrate more when I'm coming up to a junction or round about for example and tend to just either blank the person talking to me until its safe to chat and drive again, or I'll just tell them, "1 sec.".

Hardcore Til I Die said,
Talking on the phone using a hands free kit or talking to a passenger isn't that distracting imo. I can quite easily concentrate on the road. The problem comes from looking away from the road to make a call or send a text. When you can speak to a hands free kit to make a call or dictate a text, that danger is averted.

Texting whilst driving is STUPID. Ridiculously stupid. Anybody who does it should be shot. It's not actually legal in the US to text while driving is it?

Actually its found that talking on the phone with a hands free is just as bad as holding the phone. The problem is that you're concentrating on the conversation. You may notthink you are, but you are. And it reduces your reaction time significantly and is the same or worse than DUI

HawkMan said,

Actually its found that talking on the phone with a hands free is just as bad as holding the phone. The problem is that you're concentrating on the conversation. You may notthink you are, but you are. And it reduces your reaction time significantly and is the same or worse than DUI

I very much doubt it's the same or as bad as DUI. In fact.. it's not. I'm just going to say it's not because that's ludicrous.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

I very much doubt it's the same or as bad as DUI. In fact.. it's not. I'm just going to say it's not because that's ludicrous.

Facts disagree with your opinion. Sorry.

HawkMan said,

Facts disagree with your opinion. Sorry.

Source please?
I have been using cell phones in cars since early '80s and I did not find talking to a 'remote" person more distracting than speaking to someone sitting on the right seat of the car.

Texting, as well as reading papers, caring nails, fixing make-up etc. etc. is a completely different matter.

HawkMan said,

Facts disagree with your opinion. Sorry.

As with every study they study a select group of people, not everybody. Even if something is regarded as fact it doesn't necessarily apply to everybody. I can tell you that a hands free conversation doesn't affect my concentration.

I'm sorry but "US citizens would be banned from talking on any cellphone or personal electronic devices while they are driving a moving vehicle" if its not in your hands and is voice controlled, how is that any different then talking to someone in the car that is there with you? what next banning talking in moving cars?

neufuse said,
I'm sorry but "US citizens would be banned from talking on any cellphone or personal electronic devices while they are driving a moving vehicle" if its not in your hands and is voice controlled, how is that any different then talking to someone in the car that is there with you? what next banning talking in moving cars?

btw, I am completly against texting and holding a cellphone while driving, I just think this law could be taken too far

neufuse said,
I'm sorry but "US citizens would be banned from talking on any cellphone or personal electronic devices while they are driving a moving vehicle" if its not in your hands and is voice controlled, how is that any different then talking to someone in the car that is there with you? what next banning talking in moving cars?

Umm.. They are making bluetooth devices exempted from this so the mass majority of hands free systems would still be usable for making calls.

neufuse said,
I'm sorry but "US citizens would be banned from talking on any cellphone or personal electronic devices while they are driving a moving vehicle" if its not in your hands and is voice controlled, how is that any different then talking to someone in the car that is there with you? what next banning talking in moving cars?

because you are using the device with one hand on the wheel and messing withthe screen when you ahoulsd be DRIVING.

tsupersonic said,
Meh. My phone goes on vibrate mode when I drive. No need to talk/text when I can listen to 500+ horsepower

good for you, i doubt anyone here cares

Wow, I will use this as my first post. As I see where they are going with this what makes a handsfree phone any different than the sat nav or radio? I too am tired of seeing people completely oblivious on their phones while driving but the use of a handsfree should be considered.

NoMansLand said,
Wow, I will use this as my first post. As I see where they are going with this what makes a handsfree phone any different than the sat nav or radio? I too am tired of seeing people completely oblivious on their phones while driving but the use of a handsfree should be considered.

They have indicated that bluetooth devices would be exempted. So following that part even if the ban would become effective my handsfree bluetooth system in my vehicle can still be used. I'm actually for a ban like this as it would help make the roads that much safer.

In the end the issue is about people texting and driving at the same time and not so much about holding a phone and driving.

If you are texting the attention is squarely at the phone screen so you can see what you are typing. If you are talking though it is still possibly to keep your eyes on the road and the car straight. I've done that already but have since switched to a hands free setup for about the past year.

shinji257 said,

They have indicated that bluetooth devices would be exempted. So following that part even if the ban would become effective my handsfree bluetooth system in my vehicle can still be used. I'm actually for a ban like this as it would help make the roads that much safer.

In the end the issue is about people texting and driving at the same time and not so much about holding a phone and driving.

If you are texting the attention is squarely at the phone screen so you can see what you are typing. If you are talking though it is still possibly to keep your eyes on the road and the car straight. I've done that already but have since switched to a hands free setup for about the past year.

Yeah, I think the really scary thing is that people text while driving. I simply cannot imagine that. Talking on the phone isn't that great a distraction for most people, but we have to play to the lowest common denominator here, and IMO they shouldn't even be allowed to have someone else in their car if they're that stupid...

Texting is incredibly dangerous while driving. It's scary that people are still stupid enough to do it. It's equivalent to drunk driving. So, I'm all for anything that will cut down on this and protect those of us on the road who aren't complete morons.

spacer said,
Texting is incredibly dangerous while driving. It's scary that people are still stupid enough to do it. It's equivalent to drunk driving. So, I'm all for anything that will cut down on this and protect those of us on the road who aren't complete morons.

+1

spacer said,
Texting is incredibly dangerous while driving. It's scary that people are still stupid enough to do it. It's equivalent to drunk driving. So, I'm all for anything that will cut down on this and protect those of us on the road who aren't complete morons.

Equivalent to DD? You mean worse.
+1

spacer said,
Texting is incredibly dangerous while driving. It's scary that people are still stupid enough to do it. It's equivalent to drunk driving. So, I'm all for anything that will cut down on this and protect those of us on the road who aren't complete morons.

Worse than drunk driving, as least with drunk driving you are looking at the road.

no-sweat said,

Worse than drunk driving, as least with drunk driving you are looking at the road.

More than looking, more like utter fixation to the point the road is scared you are giving it the 'crazy eyes.'

Not going to work. My state recently banned cell phone usage while driving. It's only caused people to hold their phone lower and out of sight instead of holding it next to their wheel or a similar safer position.

Also, I wonder if portable music devices would be included in this. Hunting down a track on a PMP can be just as distracting as using a phone.

Edited by nvllsvm, Dec 13 2011, 7:10pm :

Draje said,

Also, I wonder if portable music devices would be included in this. Hunting down a track on a PMP can be just as distracting as using a phone.

*Cough* Siri *Cough*

Draje said,
Not going to work.

In Europe it does. Sure there are people who continue to use them - they get fines when caught. Overall I'd say it's working.

Breach said,

In Europe it does. Sure there are people who continue to use them - they get fines when caught. Overall I'd say it's working.

Ofc some would say that fines after the fact isn't enough. People who are going to text or have a call with one hand on the wheel while driving are going to anyway, regardless if they get a fine afterwards... the fact that they get fined shows that it doesn't work. If it did, they wouldn't have been fined.

Fines don't stop people, it just points out how many people got caught.

Education is what is needed.

Same with them bloody speed cameras, I'm often finding myself looking down at the dashboard checking my speedo or scanning the roadsides for cameras rather then concentrating on driving and checking for actual hazzards that are important. It frustrates me no end that the vast majority of people are penalised due to the lack of education and total disrespect by others, of others.

sagum said,

Ofc some would say that fines after the fact isn't enough. People who are going to text or have a call with one hand on the wheel while driving are going to anyway, regardless if they get a fine afterwards... the fact that they get fined shows that it doesn't work. If it did, they wouldn't have been fined.

Fines don't stop people, it just points out how many people got caught.

Education is what is needed.

Same with them bloody speed cameras, I'm often finding myself looking down at the dashboard checking my speedo or scanning the roadsides for cameras rather then concentrating on driving and checking for actual hazzards that are important. It frustrates me no end that the vast majority of people are penalised due to the lack of education and total disrespect by others, of others.

PROTIP: don't speed

Draje said,
Not going to work. My state recently banned cell phone usage while driving. It's only caused people to hold their phone lower and out of sight instead of holding it next to their wheel or a similar safer position.

Also, I wonder if portable music devices would be included in this. Hunting down a track on a PMP can be just as distracting as using a phone.

It's not just a problem of the hands and eyes, it's also a problem of distraction from the conversation.

sagum said,

Ofc some would say that fines after the fact isn't enough. People who are going to text or have a call with one hand on the wheel while driving are going to anyway, regardless if they get a fine afterwards... the fact that they get fined shows that it doesn't work. If it did, they wouldn't have been fined.

Fines don't stop people, it just points out how many people got caught.

Education is what is needed.

Same with them bloody speed cameras, I'm often finding myself looking down at the dashboard checking my speedo or scanning the roadsides for cameras rather then concentrating on driving and checking for actual hazzards that are important. It frustrates me no end that the vast majority of people are penalised due to the lack of education and total disrespect by others, of others.

In UK, getting caught holding a cell phone while driving will result in fines and violation points added to your license, which will eventually lead to a suspension after repeat offenses. So yeah, you are right that fines will not stop most people, but if they throw in a license suspension threat, then people will rush to get a bt headset and not take the risk.

The fact that Cali has already had cell phone laws in effect for years now is proof the system does work.

Also, education is not going to change anything. Most people already know the risks of using a cell phone because they usually feel the effects of that risk by having to increase their driving awareness the moment they start glancing at their phone. Regardless, they still end up in close calls on the road every now and then.

You will never see me with a BT headset. If I'm in a city with cell phone usage banned and I get a phone call, I'm not going to not answer it I'm going to answer it and MAYBE put it on speaker so it is below the field of view of any officers and then I'll pay more attention to looking for police men than other things. I have never once been close to getting into an accident or making ridiculous actions due to neglect of my surroundings because i was on the phone.

BetaAddict said,

In UK, getting caught holding a cell phone while driving will result in fines and violation points added to your license, which will eventually lead to a suspension after repeat offenses. So yeah, you are right that fines will not stop most people, but if they throw in a license suspension threat, then people will rush to get a bt headset and not take the risk.

The fact that Cali has already had cell phone laws in effect for years now is proof the system does work.

Also, education is not going to change anything. Most people already know the risks of using a cell phone because they usually feel the effects of that risk by having to increase their driving awareness the moment they start glancing at their phone. Regardless, they still end up in close calls on the road every now and then.

You: Siri, play OneRepublic...
Siri: ...... Can't connect to the network right now.
You: Siri, play OneRepublic!
Siri: ...... Can't connect to the network right now.
You: GRRRRR!!!! Siri! Play OneRepublic!!!
Siri: ...... Can't connect to the network right now.
You: Fine then! **Opens Music, flicks for OneRepublic while veering into the other lane, running people off of the road**

Yes, because Siri always works.

THolman said,

*Cough* Siri *Cough*

Yes, because California has had this law in effect for years now IS proof that it works. Because I NEVER see anyone holding their phone while they're on the road in California. Nor do they text while driving. Everyone follows that law. Except for that guy over there, or that teenage girl who is texting right over there, or that woman on the other side of the road... Or that guy who is backing out of that parking space over there, about to hit the car behind him...

BetaAddict said,

In UK, getting caught holding a cell phone while driving will result in fines and violation points added to your license, which will eventually lead to a suspension after repeat offenses. So yeah, you are right that fines will not stop most people, but if they throw in a license suspension threat, then people will rush to get a bt headset and not take the risk.

The fact that Cali has already had cell phone laws in effect for years now is proof the system does work.

Also, education is not going to change anything. Most people already know the risks of using a cell phone because they usually feel the effects of that risk by having to increase their driving awareness the moment they start glancing at their phone. Regardless, they still end up in close calls on the road every now and then.

Draje said,
My state recently banned cell phone usage while driving. It's only caused people to hold their phone lower and out of sight instead of holding it next to their wheel or a similar safer position.

Misleading title - they aren't proposing banning of cellphones in cars altogether, only HOLDING them (and talking/texting). Using a callphone handsfree (via bluetooth) is acceptable.

werdwerdus said,

PROTIP: don't speed

Personally I think it's more dangerous to keep on checking my speed rather than just using my natural instinct to judge speed. Yes I will probably go over the limit at points, legally it's not sound but personally I find it safer to drive that way especially in busy area's.

Anthony S said,
You: Siri, play OneRepublic...
Siri: ...... Can't connect to the network right now.
You: Siri, play OneRepublic!
Siri: ...... Can't connect to the network right now.
You: GRRRRR!!!! Siri! Play OneRepublic!!!
Siri: ...... Can't connect to the network right now.
You: Fine then! **Opens Music, flicks for OneRepublic while veering into the other lane, running people off of the road**

Yes, because Siri always works.

I should patent an app that prevents you from being able to "use manual input methods" while driving (determined by the accelerometer GPS, or the fact that you are switching cell towers that aren't your normal connection.

I can then patent the Idea and any company that tries to use it.


Profit???