U.S. Patent Office: P2P Harms Children, National Security

U.S. Patent and Trademark Director John Dudas commissioned a report, which the patent office recently forwarded to the U.S. Department of Justice, stating that peer-to-peer networks could manipulate sites so children violate copyright laws more frequently than adults. That could make children the target in most copyright lawsuits and, in turn, make those protecting their material appear antagonistic. File-sharing software also could be to blame for government workers who expose sensitive data and jeopardize national security after downloading free music on the job. "A decade ago, the idea that copyright infringement could become a threat to national security would have seemed implausible. Now, it is a sad reality. There will almost never be a legitimate business or governmental justification for employee use of filesharing programs. Nevertheless, preventing employees from using these programs on corporate or government networks can be both difficult and expensive," the report states.

News source: InformationWeek

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OK the author is INSANE.

"File-sharing software also could be to blame for government workers who expose sensitive data and jeopardize national security after downloading free music on the job."

I really think any goverment institution that has sensitive data will be blocking P2P at the firewall, big time. You really think the NSA or CIA has P2P software running inside their network, these are the guys that make their PC's bluescreen if any sort of unauthorised access is attempted. Get realisitic.

"There will almost never be a legitimate business or governmental justification for employee use of filesharing programs."

another gross over exageration, There are a number of apps that actually use p2p to download, legitimately, e.g versions of linux, is not sharing your own material also illegal, if i make a movie and post it is is compeletely legal.

"preventing employees from using these programs on corporate or government networks can be both difficult and expensive"

now how damn funny is this one, hello you can pretty much block one prt on your firewall and it will be stopped, not to mention you can quite easily monitor your traffic and see that there is a fair bit of trwafic to one machine that is not normal. This is the most ridiculous comment i have ever heard about filesharing

In conclusion this is the most ridicluous article i have ever read on file sharing, and obviously written by someone that really does not have any idea on the technology.

And the reason he is so worried about kids, is cause it looks bad to sue them adn they have no money

Well thats my two cents.

I think the post is correct, there is an international terrorist organization that uses P2P to transfer their plans across the world. They of course, however, do not encrypt their data and they store it in the My Pictures folder on a completely open Windows XP notebook.

None of this matters, however, because not because the sky is falling, pigs have taken flight, and government think tanks have actually decided to do more important things with there time than spread FUD...

It's not really hard to block P2P programs on a corporate network. All you have to do is program your firewall/servers correctly and bang, no one can use P2P. Now, this can change if someone is leeching a wifi signal outside of your network (I've seen this done, some guy had over 900 MP3s - but we don't see him anymore), but if you were smart you would have a group policy to keep the wifi cards disabled. :P

"Harms children"? Now that's the most ludicrous reason I ever heard against P2P
You really must have the IQ of a cockroach to come up with such garbage (or believe it).

I agree it's kind of stupid for a government worker to use P2P software...

But usually they can't, because they have firewalls and routers inbetween with very strict data analysis to stop this. Protocol obfuscation and encryption coulp help, but then they pretty much have what's coming for them if they're discovered.

But P2P allows us to get Open Source software that doesn't have the monetary means to have expensive download servers, such as Linux!

An added bonus of which is the US govenment doesn't have a invisible account/backdoo..., oh, wait ...

Well, an added bonus is that it allows us to use software that isn't proprietory or patent... oh, wait.

Hm, well - it does allow us to bypass censorsh... Oh, wait.

Damn, touche.

now such type of report must made laugh / cry all these who invested millions into P2P networks to deliver valid legal licence fees covered content , as example let's take Bittorrent itself

Sorry no... While I don't believe anyone should violate copyrights, I'm really tired of the "it's for the children" approach. I don't want any agency or government body legislating morality. It's up to me to teach my children and keep them safe, nobody else.

Now, please get over it. <getting off soapbox now />

And nobody blames the IT depts. of these businesses and governments for these so called national security threats, right. Can't even prevent their employees from installing and executing such software. What a poorly constructed jab at file sharing. =p

I'm gonna go sue my ISP for allowing my computer to be infected by malicious code it got through their Internet connection.

Here's a little story inspired by my internet Idol, Mr. Kelly.

Karnov: Hhey I'm Karnov!
Golden Statue Man: And I'm the Golden Statue Man:

Karnov: Would you like to join our secret club? It's exclusive! Members only!
Golden Statue Man: Nobody ever says know to us!

And so Karnov and his secret club begin meeting at their playhouse after school to trade their copied files without the aid of a P2P network! It's called socializing and it can be just as dangerous. XD

Filesharing is not illegal in itself, it depends how you use it which is either considered Legal or Illegal. Just as the person mentioned Above above that a knife can either be used to cut fruit (Legally) Or to Murder or Assault Someone (Illegally).

The most of us who use it legitimately is about as much who use it Illegally and for Piracy, I see this as no more than a sad attempt of the RIAA and MPAA hiding behind the government to eliminate filesharing, because they are not getting the few extra dollars that people would spend buying the movie.

Why do you think people Pirate? I believe it lies with outrageous prices in some countries such as Europe (UK), Some People want to try before they buy, but aren't usually presented with the option beforehand to do so. Some only like one song out of an Album and download it instead because spending money on the whole thing would just be a waste. Some things are so old you can no longer buy the legitimately and are damn lucky to even find them on ebay.

Some companies screw over their honest legit userbase so badly, that pirating the software is revenge for the end user. Sure you don't have to buy their stuff and you can tell people to do the same, but the message is never sent to these companies because misinformed individuals still buy it anyway, So pirating the software/game to inflict them financially is our end choice. Or they don't want to support the company because of the above, but still want the product.

I'm not saying piracy is good, but there are many reasons and factors you have to think of beforehand as to why people pirate stuff illegally;)

Knives don't cut fruit, people with knives cut fruit. Therefore, people (not knives) are a threat to fruit security.
(just ignore for the moment that you and I don't need a knife to cut fruit thanks to the ultra-high-tech device known as "teeth").

Croquant said,
Knives don't cut fruit, people with knives cut fruit. Therefore, people (not knives) are a threat to fruit security.
(just ignore for the moment that you and I don't need a knife to cut fruit thanks to the ultra-high-tech device known as "teeth").

Many thanks. I was waiting for a decent response.
(And try to use your teeth in a (water)melon/coconut/pineapple/jackfruit...)

tiagosilva29 said,

Many thanks. I was waiting for a decent response.
(And try to use your teeth in a (water)melon/coconut/pineapple/jackfruit...)

Yeah, that was a stupid response.

I was going to use the example of a car or a gun as bigger threats to "national security" and to peoples well being, but they would never dream of banning things like that for one simple reason.........IT MAKES THEM DOLLARS AND CENTS, not sense.

The only reason that corporations and the government have issue with P2P is that they miss out on a slice of the pie. Argue all you want about copyright becuase it really has nothing to do with that. Alcohol was illegal until the government decided they could make money off of it. Copyright is suspect anyways because many inventions have been created by people who had their ideas stolen because someone else got a patent for it. Where's their justice?!?!?

Blaxima said,

Yeah, that was a stupid response.

I was going to use the example of a car or a gun as bigger threats to "national security" and to peoples well being, but they would never dream of banning things like that for one simple reason.........IT MAKES THEM DOLLARS AND CENTS, not sense.

The only reason that corporations and the government have issue with P2P is that they miss out on a slice of the pie. Argue all you want about copyright becuase it really has nothing to do with that. Alcohol was illegal until the government decided they could make money off of it. Copyright is suspect anyways because many inventions have been created by people who had their ideas stolen because someone else got a patent for it. Where's their justice?!?!?

i agree with you here... as it all boils down to "money" , just cause they cant make money then they try to find negative stuff to shut it down... me personally, they can go screw themselfs... and i highly doubt the public would let them shut it down anyways as it's to popular now anyways.... me personally it aint worth sacrificing something (p2p) pretty much everyone (or atleast majority) likes..... they try to claim national security i think it's a bunch of crap personally cause even if they shut down p2p im sure anyone who wants to transfer software that would actually effect national security is going to find another way to transfer the files anyways.... so in that sense it's rather pointless to stop p2p etc.

plus about the children thing they might have a point... but overall i dont think it's "THAT" much of a big deal... cause most people who pirate stuff would not pay for it even if they where prevented from pirating it in the first place.... sure, some people would (buy stuff) but im guessing majority would not.... so im sure as we all know those figures they come up with on there loses are WAY EXAGGERATED cause of what i was saying above is pretty much true if you ask me (about the stoping piracy stuff)

I have to agree that (in general) kids today have a loose look at copyright and feel that infringement of it is a trivial matter, legally speaking. They don't think it is very wrong at all, judging from my kids and their friends.

It's a shame, really, because I try to promote a sense of right and wrong in them, and even explained the reason we have Linux on some computers instead of "just pirating XP" like too many others do.

As far as business and governments having possible breaches from filesharing... Well, I think that they ought to really put those PCs under control. For the most casual p2p-er, a few common sense precautions by the IT staff will prevent most potential problems.

"Dad.. why don't we have Windows on our computer?"

"Well son, it's because Daddy's cheap!"

LOL just kidding man. Seriously, you set it up too well.

Anyway, I guess I'll move on out of this topic. I read the title and I thought that some kids were getting physically hurt or something. Scared me. But I see all's safe here. Or at least for me as I don't have children (yet).

I think that they ought to really put those PCs under control

Unfortunately, my experience has been that the people that use these networks most at work are the IT Sys Admins.