Valve's gaming goggles revealed; more Windows 8 slams

A few days ago, Valve posted up a job listing looking for an "industrial designer" that got a lot of buzz on the Internet. Today, The New York Times has posted up a new feature article on Valve which has a picture and description of one of the company's hardware products.

The article describes what the author sees while using a prototype of a virtual reality goggle hardware product. The author states, "It immerses me in a virtual world. I whirl one way and see zombies preparing to snack on my flesh. I turn another and wonder what fresh hell awaits." It sounds like the author was viewing one of Valve's Left 4 Dead games while using the device.

The article doesn't state when, or even if, these new gaming goggles will be released. Most of the article talks about how Valve tries to do things differently, such as hiring an economist or launching their own hardware projects.

However, some are not convinced that virtual reality goggles are the next phase of gaming. Peter Moore, an executive of Electronic Arts states that he can't see this kind of hardware gaining a mass audience, saying, "It’s appealing to them (Valve) because they live in that outer fringe of I.Q. and money.”

Of course, it wouldn't be a Valve article without a slam against Windows 8, which the company's co-founder Gabe Newell has been happy to do for the past couple of months. Newell feels that Microsoft is trying to copy Apple and its closed platform iOS operating system. Newell states:

We would say to Microsoft, we understand all these frustrations about the challenges to your business ... But trying to copy Apple will accelerate, not slow, Microsoft’s decline.

The New York Times also says that the long awaited Big Picture mode for Valve's Steam PC game download service will finally debut to the public on Monday.

Source: New York Times | Image via New York Times

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Well, lets be honest, Steam takes some time to start, uses a lot of memory for a game launcher, doesn't look Windows native, has poor game download speeds, and sometimes gets stuck.

If Newell doesn't want closed platforms as Apple and as he said Windows 8 would be, Why Valve releases Steam stuffs for iOS ? They don't want Microsoft follows Apple and Tablet industry but why Valve does ?
so, I think Valve should improve Steam and release Half Life 3 (or 2 episode 3) wich could be a must have on Windows desktop, better than slam Windows 8.
For Steam Windows 8 is technically not anymore than an other Windows... It's Just for consumer that Windows 8 will be another Windows desktop, plus an oriented tablet Windows.

buuhuu our online game stores get some heavy competition and we have to badmouth. Those 3D glasses are no innovation. This is more like Apple trying to convince us they invented the mobile phone but the iPhone couldnt send MMS for two generations.

Mockup looks odd. I used 3D motionsensitive goggles over 15 years ago from the now dead Virtuality and they were a lot sleeker than this.

'' Newell feels that Microsoft is trying to copy Apple and its closed platform iOS operating system. ''

Of course he does, his steam functions as the current Windows store. Especially now that they're also adding non-gaming software. Naturally he dislikes Microsoft's move to have their own software store. Unfortunatly his childish brain is only able to communicate dissatisfaction through insult.

Ronnet said,
Unfortunatly his childish brain is only able to communicate dissatisfaction through insult.

At least it's not communicating dissatisfaction through lawsuit. Yet.

their bashing on microsoft and windows 8 is getting ancient.
they're just afraid of the windows store for their business. it's as simple as that.

Mike Frett said,
Need more companies to come out against Microsoft. Microsoft is irrelevant.

1. He isn't comming out against Microsoft. Microsoft is still very important to his own financial succes.

2. This also demonstrates that Microsoft certainly isn't irrelevant. I can understand that some people dislike Microsoft but saying they're irrelevant is ridiculous.

They've lost consumer appeal but they still have a large marketshare. They are however not irrelevant, especially if you consider their contribution to PC gaming, they're basically its founding father. On top of that they're still essential on the business market. Microsoft is huge and incredibly relevant.

They've missed out on the last few waves but they own a large part of the ocean. Many companies build their succes on building blocks provided by Microsoft. All companies know this. Some, like Valve and Google, choose to ignore this as they have their own ambitions to own the ocean. Unfortunatly for them the ocean is not for sale so Microsoft will always remain relevant, one way or another.

Mike Frett said,
Need more companies to come out against Microsoft. Microsoft is irrelevant.

There are a billion computers running Windows...yeah...MS is irrelevant.

Mike Frett said,
Need more companies to come out against Microsoft. Microsoft is irrelevant.

Funny that you would write this, and your avatar icon is a product that has hardware technology in it that was originally designed by Microsoft Hardware engineers.

AMD is using SoC and the GPU reference designs that were developed by MICROSOFT... You know that irrelevant company that created the basis of the hardware you love...

They are completely destroying their credibility.

They really cannot be this stupid. I wonder if they are trying to tank the company to bankrupt out of debt.

Still Alive
But there's no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the science gets done,
and you make a neat gun
for the people who are
still alive.

I think they might be out of cake...

thenetavenger said,
They are completely destroying their credibility.

They really cannot be this stupid. I wonder if they are trying to tank the company to bankrupt out of debt.

I think they might be out of cake...

The cake is a lie.

He needs to stop slamming Windows 8, there is nothing wrong with it, all games work in Windows 8, so he should really just shut up or else he will end up with a foot up his ass (just like Red Foreman said)

LCallaghan84 said,
He needs to stop slamming Windows 8, there is nothing wrong with it, all games work in Windows 8, so he should really just shut up or else he will end up with a foot up his ass (just like Red Foreman said)

but the game doesn't benefit much by using windows 8 , or maybe they didn't tweak to work better with it. Hope to see a massive improvement.

Master of Earth said,

but the game doesn't benefit much by using windows 8 , or maybe they didn't tweak to work better with it. Hope to see a massive improvement.

There won't be a massive improvement in gaming, but it won't be any worse. Just because gaming isn't better on Windows 8 doesn't mean that it's a bad OS. Why would it?

Master of Earth said,

but the game doesn't benefit much by using windows 8 , or maybe they didn't tweak to work better with it. Hope to see a massive improvement.

They are full of crap, that is the whole point, and it almost like they are inviting the world to see how full of crap they are.

With Windows 8, there is a MASSIVE potential for the gaming industry. Oddly these things are really important, yet you do NOT seem them discussed on gaming sites, or even places like Neowin.

1) Desktop and notebooks get a bump with the new WDM and less overhead and scheduling optimizations in Windows 8.

2) DX11.1
a) Developers get the changes to use more GP-GPU without internally managing the threads.
b) Less DirectX overhead
c) Direct GPU access that developers have been requesting.

3) Cross platform compatibility. Once you have a game engine running well on Windows 8, if designed properly, there is little work to move the engine and games to Windows RT (Arm), XBox 360, and even Windows Phone 8.

The last one is where gaming will explode. We instead of playing a scaled down version of an older game, or stuff like Angry birds, people will be running Gears of War or Crysis qualtiy games on a Windows RT tablet and a Windows 8 Phone.

We are already seeing demos of Tablets and Phones running Windows 8 (WOA/RT) doing some amazing things that Android and iOS are simply NOT CAPABLE of doing.

The 'not capable' comes from a lack of kernel functionality, and a lack of features in the mobile 3D frameworks. Windows 8 RT, Windows 8 Phone NO LONGER are limited to the Mobile frameworks, and can use full DirectX just like a desktop PC Game.

People will be running games with amazing quality in full PC level DX9 and DX11 as ARM GPU advance.

Watch the video and listen to the comments. This is NOT Android or iPad gaming anymore, also note because it is the actual engine, creating games and moving back and forth between Windows 8 RT/Pro/XBox 360 is by design effortless.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/0...c-unreal-engine-windows-rt/


Considering social gaming alone, can you imagine the MMOs that would benefit from being able to be fairly easily ported to Windows RT Tablets and Windows 8 Phones?

Gaming companies would be insane to not already be doing this, and Valve is therefore insane.

thenetavenger said,

They are full of crap, that is the whole point, and it almost like they are inviting the world to see how full of crap they are.

With Windows 8, there is a MASSIVE potential for the gaming industry. Oddly these things are really important, yet you do NOT seem them discussed on gaming sites, or even places like Neowin.

1) Desktop and notebooks get a bump with the new WDM and less overhead and scheduling optimizations in Windows 8.

2) DX11.1
a) Developers get the changes to use more GP-GPU without internally managing the threads.
b) Less DirectX overhead
c) Direct GPU access that developers have been requesting.

3) Cross platform compatibility. Once you have a game engine running well on Windows 8, if designed properly, there is little work to move the engine and games to Windows RT (Arm), XBox 360, and even Windows Phone 8.

The last one is where gaming will explode. We instead of playing a scaled down version of an older game, or stuff like Angry birds, people will be running Gears of War or Crysis qualtiy games on a Windows RT tablet and a Windows 8 Phone.

We are already seeing demos of Tablets and Phones running Windows 8 (WOA/RT) doing some amazing things that Android and iOS are simply NOT CAPABLE of doing.

The 'not capable' comes from a lack of kernel functionality, and a lack of features in the mobile 3D frameworks. Windows 8 RT, Windows 8 Phone NO LONGER are limited to the Mobile frameworks, and can use full DirectX just like a desktop PC Game.

People will be running games with amazing quality in full PC level DX9 and DX11 as ARM GPU advance.

Watch the video and listen to the comments. This is NOT Android or iPad gaming anymore, also note because it is the actual engine, creating games and moving back and forth between Windows 8 RT/Pro/XBox 360 is by design effortless.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/0...c-unreal-engine-windows-rt/


Considering social gaming alone, can you imagine the MMOs that would benefit from being able to be fairly easily ported to Windows RT Tablets and Windows 8 Phones?

Gaming companies would be insane to not already be doing this, and Valve is therefore insane.

+1

Well said.

Whether or not it is a great gaming platform is absolutely not what have been discussed by Gabe Newell.

Also you seem to be hit by a lot of marketing bull****, hardware is hardware, it doesn't magically get tons better because it's on Windows, so i can assure you that the same is most definitely possible on Android.

Microsoft's work into making it easy to port to their other platforms is definitely unrivaled though.

thenetavenger said,

They are full of crap, that is the whole point, and it almost like they are inviting the world to see how full of crap they are.

With Windows 8, there is a MASSIVE potential for the gaming industry. Oddly these things are really important, yet you do NOT seem them discussed on gaming sites, or even places like Neowin.

1) Desktop and notebooks get a bump with the new WDM and less overhead and scheduling optimizations in Windows 8.

2) DX11.1
a) Developers get the changes to use more GP-GPU without internally managing the threads.
b) Less DirectX overhead
c) Direct GPU access that developers have been requesting.

3) Cross platform compatibility. Once you have a game engine running well on Windows 8, if designed properly, there is little work to move the engine and games to Windows RT (Arm), XBox 360, and even Windows Phone 8.

The last one is where gaming will explode. We instead of playing a scaled down version of an older game, or stuff like Angry birds, people will be running Gears of War or Crysis qualtiy games on a Windows RT tablet and a Windows 8 Phone.

We are already seeing demos of Tablets and Phones running Windows 8 (WOA/RT) doing some amazing things that Android and iOS are simply NOT CAPABLE of doing.

The 'not capable' comes from a lack of kernel functionality, and a lack of features in the mobile 3D frameworks. Windows 8 RT, Windows 8 Phone NO LONGER are limited to the Mobile frameworks, and can use full DirectX just like a desktop PC Game.

People will be running games with amazing quality in full PC level DX9 and DX11 as ARM GPU advance.

Watch the video and listen to the comments. This is NOT Android or iPad gaming anymore, also note because it is the actual engine, creating games and moving back and forth between Windows 8 RT/Pro/XBox 360 is by design effortless.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/0...c-unreal-engine-windows-rt/


Considering social gaming alone, can you imagine the MMOs that would benefit from being able to be fairly easily ported to Windows RT Tablets and Windows 8 Phones?

Gaming companies would be insane to not already be doing this, and Valve is therefore insane.


Uh dude Unreal Engine has been on Android for quite sometime now. Whatever is possible on a WinRT device is also possible for Android and even apple crap because news flash: THEY ALL USE THE SAME GPUs and if you just count WinRT and Android they even use the same CPU.

SharpGreen said,

Uh dude Unreal Engine has been on Android for quite sometime now. Whatever is possible on a WinRT device is also possible for Android and even apple crap because news flash: THEY ALL USE THE SAME GPUs and if you just count WinRT and Android they even use the same CPU.

Uh Dude, Unreal on Android is the MOBILE variation of the engine, as the FULL ENGINE will NOT RUN ON ANDROID.

Next time at least watch the video, if not actually look up the technology before embarrassing yourself.

When the Windows Store competes with steam, I don't see how anything coming out of Gabe Newell's mouth can be trusted.

Phantom Spaceman said,

I dunno seems others are noticing the similarity between Microsoft and Apple with Windows 8.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/2...windows-app-store/index.htm

That's not the part of the statement that lacks credibility. Its the part that following the iOS model will cause or accelerate Microsoft's decline. The reality is that the Windows Store could accelerate Steam's decline which is why Valve is scrambling to bring it to Linux and sell non-gaming software. All of Newell's slams are clearly coming from transparent fear of the Windows Store cutting out Valve as the middleman.

Avatar Roku said,

That's not the part of the statement that lacks credibility. Its the part that following the iOS model will cause or accelerate Microsoft's decline. The reality is that the Windows Store could accelerate Steam's decline which is why Valve is scrambling to bring it to Linux and sell non-gaming software. All of Newell's slams are clearly coming from transparent fear of the Windows Store cutting out Valve as the middleman.

The Windows Store is not competing with Steam, they sell different products.

Games for Windows is competing with Steam, but so far it's not doing a very good job at it.

FISKER_Q said,

The Windows Store is not competing with Steam, they sell different products.

Games for Windows is competing with Steam, but so far it's not doing a very good job at it.

The Windows Store can list desktop games - even better that Microsoft gets no cut of any sales made. Of course, it does require that the developer have their own payment system in place.

~Johnny said,

The Windows Store can list desktop games - even better that Microsoft gets no cut of any sales made. Of course, it does require that the developer have their own payment system in place.

They already have that, and as far as i know, they have no intention on changing it in Windows 8, i.e. unless you know it exists you'll probably never find it.

Either way it's doesn't really directly compete with Steam at its current state.

Too bad that Microsoft didn't jump at the chance of providing a digital store with auto-updating capabilities, cloud support, community api's, etc. for normal Desktop Software.

FISKER_Q said,

The Windows Store is not competing with Steam, they sell different products.

Games for Windows is competing with Steam, but so far it's not doing a very good job at it.


Xbox Live for Windows is now MS's product that will directly compete with Steam. Which is tied to the Windows Store.

Bad Man Duke said,

Xbox Live for Windows is now MS's product that will directly compete with Steam. Which is tied to the Windows Store.

Yeah yeah, whatever they want to call in order to cover up their continued failure.

You still can't buy proper games there, except for Xbox, and no, they still want games to integrate into Metro, so that rules out pretty much every current game, and i suspect many future games as well.

So yeah, can't really consider that competing.

grayscale said,
Yeah, try and game with that.

It's a prototype - not a production model. If you've never made something before, the first one you make tends to look like Frankenstein's monster. After a few revisions you start to approach a usable design before releasing it to the public.

Axon said,

It's a prototype - not a production model. If you've never made something before, the first one you make tends to look like Frankenstein's monster. After a few revisions you start to approach a usable design before releasing it to the public.

I'm aware of that. My point is, these kind of glasses seem to not fit gaming. Google Glasses is a fine idea but gaming? Are you gonna wear this and swing your arms around pretend-punching zombies that only you can see?

Or maybe my imagination is just low or probably because I overslept. Oh well.

I don't know, waggling your arm around to cut fruit in front of a camera seems silly too, but look where we are.

Axon said,

It's a prototype - not a production model. If you've never made something before, the first one you make tends to look like Frankenstein's monster. After a few revisions you start to approach a usable design before releasing it to the public.

A prototype from the 1990s at best.

If YOU have ever made anything related to LCD or retinal display technology, you would be peeing yourself in laughter, like I am.

grayscale said,

I'm aware of that. My point is, these kind of glasses seem to not fit gaming. Google Glasses is a fine idea but gaming? Are you gonna wear this and swing your arms around pretend-punching zombies that only you can see?

Or maybe my imagination is just low or probably because I overslept. Oh well.

I would assume that there are other controls and these glasses are to improve the virtual reality aspect with real "in game" atmosphere rather than a 3D game bordered by a screen. Not really necessary to jump around like a baboon! It could also provide some cool augmented reality if you wanted to turn your house into nazi zombies if you really wanted.

Back in the day smacking a keybaord probably sounded like just as bad an idea as actually writing a letter does today.

grayscale said,

I'm aware of that. My point is, these kind of glasses seem to not fit gaming. Google Glasses is a fine idea but gaming? Are you gonna wear this and swing your arms around pretend-punching zombies that only you can see?

Or maybe my imagination is just low or probably because I overslept. Oh well.

Pretty much like the Kinect I guess?

thomastmc said,

Here's a woman trying out Valves new goggles, 20 years ago.
http://www.blogcdn.com/news.bi...09/03/virtual-reality-8.jpg

Has Valve seen these?
http://gearburn.com/2012/08/ki...irst-vr-headset-that-works/

John Carmack is pushing VR to the next step. I'm assuming Valve is ether helping him out, working with him, or simply just trying to go head to head (no pun in tended!) with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5tUnZ9b_34 (short taster)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt-iVFxgFWk < long version 3 hours if you wanna watch it (very good talk imo)

This is a few part interview from E3, very interesting, he goes into great detail about why VR never happend in the last 20 year, the latency reasons and why current tech isn't good enough for VR displays (something he's trying to change).

sagum said,

John Carmack is pushing VR to the next step. I'm assuming Valve is ether helping him out, working with him, or simply just trying to go head to head (no pun in tended!) with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5tUnZ9b_34 (short taster)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt-iVFxgFWk < long version 3 hours if you wanna watch it (very good talk imo)

This is a few part interview from E3, very interesting, he goes into great detail about why VR never happend in the last 20 year, the latency reasons and why current tech isn't good enough for VR displays (something he's trying to change).

Watched the taster, but I think I'll still go with the Oculus Rift for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxptk8P15TI
http://gearburn.com/2012/08/ki...irst-vr-headset-that-works/

Remember, Microsoft sends their employees out to intentionally not disclose who their employer is and then attempt to sway public opinion in their favor by having their comments out-vote anyone who disagrees with them.

tanjiajun_34 said,
Pretty much like the Kinect I guess?
Kinect at the very least is still applicable for other functions. Look at the various things in which hackers have been able to use it for. Can you honestly say the same about what Valve is trying to push?

With the general trend of computing heading more towards one that is mobile based, this sounds like a desperate attempt to keep everything tied to a world in which the desktop pc is the center piece.

The vast majority of people don't want to be tied DOWN by hardware/technology.

Look at how 3D TV's recently failed to gain any significant market share, and that was with basic 3D glasses for a screen that was visible for multiple viewers. That was supposed to be the "next big thing" for the TV market.

I don't think a product like this has much hope of gaining any meaningful traction. It might get the attention of Valve's hardcore fans, but the rest of market will likely ignore it, or like 3D TV, demand an offering that doesn't require the additional, clunky hardware.

JAB Creations said,
Remember, Microsoft sends their employees out to intentionally not disclose who their employer is and then attempt to sway public opinion in their favor by having their comments out-vote anyone who disagrees with them.

Really? Since when did you make this up?

Do you realize the conduct you describe is able to get an employee fired at Microsoft? I think you have Apple and Microsoft confused.