Vatican: Technology bad for the soul

Pope spokesman, Fr. Federico Lombardi has stated that the modern obsession with technology is leaving no time for spiritual nourishment, and subsequently, damaging the soul.

Lombardi states, "In the age of the cell phone and the internet, it is probably more difficult than before to protect silence and to nourish the interior dimension of life."

Pope Benedict has stated that the current economic crisis goes to show how worthless pursuit of money and success has proven to be and Lombardi adds technology to this list as an 'excess of modern life'.

Interestingly enough at the most recent World Youth Day, digital Prayer Walls were set up and the Vatican sent out text messages with inspirational bible quotes. The Vatican has also begun to modernize some of the contents of their library into an accessible online format.

It seems quite ironic that Fr. Lombardi's message will be spread through the very medium which he has detested, the internet.

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He who needs to believe in any entity before believing in himself is simply proving he needs a crutch. Not that there's anything wrong with this, as it can happen to just about anyone.

However, making your life revolve around said crutch is what is dangerous in the long run. And unfortunately, that's what some people do with theirs. Dare I say that in a vast majority of cases, religion, and even Atheism, ends up being that crutch.

(in b4 religious people and atheists tag up to flame and tear apart this perfectly polite and respectful comment)

As religion has the masses following a non-existent imaginary figure, it's easy to see that they want their *power* back and will use any means necessary, regardless of how false and damning it is.

Weird that people are bashing Christianity by bashing a certain Church's past...

Way to create a strawman from heretical doctrine (Pope is secondary intermediary) and then burning it down to carbon bits.

I guess the Pope would have an airtight case if he simply said that the Internet strips knowledge and maturity from the majority of the denizens who like to post their 2 cents loaded with strawmen, hasty generalisations, ad hominems, etc... and plenty of hubris.

I'm surprised no one tried the proven-tactic of accusing the Church of geocentrism yet. Then again, Christians then were misguided in compromising with bad science when they chose to endorse geocentrism. In contemporary times, Christians are again being misguided in compromising with bad science when they choose to endorse evolutionism. However, there is hope. Just as Christians in the past were slowly made aware of the fact that they weren't reading enough Bible, because the Bible sided with Galileo regarding heliocentrism, Christians today will also be made aware of their poor Bible knowledge and contextual study, and that the creation scientists have been speaking the truth all along.

Hindsight is 20/20. ^^

Creationism is pseudo-science, no more real than astrology, etc. And the Bible is just a collection of moral fables and fiction designed to guide your life.

Your ignorance of science, evolution, and the true nature of our universe is profoundly sad.

spinning_quirK,
with bad science when they choose to endorse evolutionism

There's no such thing as evolutionism, just as there is no gravitationalism.
Also, if you think it's "bad science", next time when you're in need of medication, don't use it. It's only based on "evolutionism of bacteria/viruses/etc." which is completely made up, aye?

brentaal, do realise that when you equate medication to "evolution of bacteria/viruses/etc", your understanding of evolution has been sorely wrong all this while.

Penicillin was the first antibiotic discovered. It was discovered by someone who refuted evolution and came up with the law of biogenesis. So nope, when I take my medicine I'm reminded of good science practised by men who honoured God.

Gravity is science. Evolutionism isn't science, it is a dogmatic system formulated by intellectuals to imprison the minds of gullible men.

excalpius, you call me 'ignorant' because I disagree with you over a lie you have willingly believed. The sciences of mathematics, thermodynamics and information theory easily disprove that lie.

excalpius said,
Creationism is pseudo-science, no more real than astrology, etc. And the Bible is just a collection of moral fables and fiction designed to guide your life.

Your ignorance of science, evolution, and the true nature of our universe is profoundly sad.


Then why is the THEORY of evolution... still a theory?

Prove to me God does not exist. People keep saying it, someone PROVE IT. Please.

They think technology is bad for the soul because it makes learning things a lot easier. People are less likely to be indoctrinated by the Church with the wealth of knowledge technology brings them. Oh no!

Yeah technology and especially SCIENCE is bad for the church (and any religion) as they make people THINK instead of believing and accepting lies, half-truths and fairy tales. This is another proof of the uselessness of religion, church and faith. Have a look at this website: http://www.thevenusproject.com. Thankfully there are other souls who think and use INTELLIGENCE to find solution to problems instead of praying!

Ah yes, the Venus project... Maybe this will be the Utopian project that will work! Beware of groups claiming to be able to make a perfect world, it never works.

Remember that the church's original base of power was in having the only literate members of society, those with access to repositories of knowledge. It gave them advisory power over the nobles/politicians and supervisory power over the layman/masses. They've been fighting for a new relevant position in the world since the Middle Ages invention of the printing press. All religions survive on willful ignorance provided by A) brainwashing and indoctrination of children by their parents, and B) the self-reinforcing of delusions by the social herd surrounding them.

Easy, free access to ideas and information challenges B) since it increases the diversity of opinions from a much larger and worldlier "social herd". And if B) is challenged now, A) loses willing brainwashers generation after generation.

Neowin is about as mature as the digg libs. If you repeat yourself s enough you might become less than a minority.

anything leading to the demise of the Vatican is a good thing in my opinion. the church is responsible for more crimes against humanity than any other organization in the history of mankind... they make Hitler look like a child. any religious nut who wants to argue this please pick up a history book filled with Real FACTS.

Dualkelly said
they make Hitler look like a child.

Adolf Hitler was Christian (big fan of Jesuits). Stalin was Orthodox Christian (Church of Russia). There is a myth spread in America that these two blokes were atheists which is complete BS. Believers can go and read some of their quotes:
http://www.jocys.com/Main/Dictators.htm

more technology may lead to less time to focus on the spiritual side of life

HOWEVER, in return, thanks to technology, kids today have much, much more knowledge than any previous generation in history. most importantly, they are aware of what is happening all over the world instead of only what's going on in their neighborhood

so the question is: is the trade of spiritual growth in exchange for knowledge an acceptable one? I, for one, say yes

PermaSt0ne said,
more technology may lead to less time to focus on the spiritual side of life

HOWEVER, in return, thanks to technology, kids today have much, much more knowledge than any previous generation in history. most importantly, they are aware of what is happening all over the world instead of only what's going on in their neighborhood


So you believe it's more important for someone to focus all their worries on a territory that is vastly more huge and pretty much impossible to fix, rather than just on their run-down neighborhood that needs a paint job?
so the question is: is the trade of spiritual growth in exchange for knowledge an acceptable one? I, for one, say yes

Spiritual growth involves knowledge about yourself and develops a feeling for those around you. With it you can fix both yourself, and lend an ear and a helping hand to any around you.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have 20 spiritually aware people around me rather than 20 people ranting about how someone else should change the world.

It seems quite ironic that Fr. Lombardi's message will be spread through the very medium which he has detested, the internet.
Why do you say he detests the internet ? The sad irony here is your fabrication of facts and deformation of truth.

He detests the Internet because of its role in the spiritual decline of the human race, this is to say he dislikes the qualities or uses of the Internet that serve as a spiritual impediment.

To me, it is ironic then that his message will be spread most through this medium.

Dr_Asik said,
Why do you say he detests the internet ? The sad irony here is your fabrication of facts and deformation of truth.


Amen to that.

The sad irony here is your fabrication of facts and deformation of truth.

That very statement is ironic in and of itself considering the history of the Church.

Wow, an awful lot of off topic conversation.

I think that with any tool, it can be used for as much good as bad. A hammer can be used to build a house, or to kill. My understanding of the internet was that it was meant to make communication easier and to bridge divides. However, from many of the statements made here it looks like it's being used, in this case, to deepen divides between people who simply have very different understandings of the universe.

About the article, I think that he's making a valid point. You don't have to agree with him, but he's no idiot simply because he believes in something. Maybe he's right and maybe he's wrong, but he doesn't appear to be pushing anyone into anything against their will, just simply giving his opinion and why he holds it. I fail to understand why he would attract so much negative criticism.

My understanding of the article suggests that he, as a priest, cares about peoples' souls and sees a real danger through the abuse of technology (like obsessing over it). Maybe he's right, and maybe he's wrong, but I suppose that I could say the same thing about parents who limit how much internet or television their children can watch.

Maybe these parents who suspect that too much TV is bad for their children are right and maybe they're wrong, but because they are parents, they have the right to determine the best way to raise their children in this regard. Historians often quibble over historical details, and maybe one is right and maybe one is wrong, but because of their position as historians, until their claim can be disproved, their opinion or theory must be respected. I think that the same principle applies here. A priest is giving a suggestion regarding things that might possibly be used to damage the soul. Maybe he's right and maybe he's wrong, but as an expert in the health of the soul, his opinion must be given due respect, it's his field of study.

Oh, and by the way. I don't think that he ever indicates that he despises the internet. I think that he's just warning people that too much of anything is bad for you, even the internet.

I think everybody in general usually misses the point in this sort of discussions. Religion is far more profound than the all mythology associated. It's all about the doctrine. I believe the message is the common denominator between all religions.

About the influence of technology in our lives, Kubrick's epic '2001 a Space Odyssey' delivers an interesting point of view. But as any other work of art, it is open for different interpretations.

The Vatican believes technology is 'evil' because they don't understand it and thus haven't found a way to take advantage of it (imagine if there was a vatican youtube channel

I'm not Catholic but I would agree with regards to these kind of technology distracts life. I used to be able to be quiet when I was a kid, and just go outside and enjoy life with friends on our bikes. Now, everyone is so obsessed with video games, can't talk to some high school kid without a earbud in one of their ears (Seriously? Can't you go for 5 minutes without something in your ears?), people texting every 0.1 seconds, and go to someone's house without a 52" TV turned on 24/7.

And I own like 8 computers, doesn't really help either. My Lenovo T400 with 9 hours battery life is really distracting me from paying attention in really boring first year engineering classes (like now, better pay attention!) lol.

Jesus (if you'll forgive a pun), way to bash the messenger instead of addressing the message. All the article is saying is that rabid materialism is an attack on human dignity and that being connected all the time allows for very little time for healthy introspection. Bad title and hatred for Catholic values (rational or otherwise), I find it hard to disagree with either point.

Isn't being connected to each other a good thing? It helps to dispel ignorance and fear..... The two main tools of religion....

Sorry but I must have missed the day we declared technology and knowledge to be synonymous.

Do you mean they're more knowledgeable because they get to read more wikipedia articles at any time of the day? Or were you basing knowledge off constantly reading the rants on your favorite site from people who feign credibility in areas where they should not?

Either way, the only thing killing religion right now is the misinformed masses believing that religion is some demonic sacrifice that requires you to be brainwashed to believe in it.

Eis said,
Sorry but I must have missed the day we declared technology and knowledge to be synonymous.

Technology is result and indicator of knowledge.

Eis said,
right now is the misinformed masses believing that religion is some demonic sacrifice that requires you to be brainwashed to believe in it.

Judging by the Bible religion religion IS some demonic sacrifice that requires you to be brainwashed to believe in it. Pages of Bible are full of killing, torture and injustice. God loves smell of burning animals. God killed 1.7million people in Bible. Both testaments are officially recognized by Vatican as true word of God. And yes you must be brainwashed and abandon all logic to believe in it. Jesus said you will be blessed if you believe without proof - this is first sign of fanatic and brainwashed person.

EJocys said,
Technology is result and indicator of knowledge.

There's a very small percentage of people who can build technology, so to assume the advancement of technology has any reflection of the average joe is ludicrous.

EJocys said,
Judging by the Bible religion religion IS some demonic sacrifice that requires you to be brainwashed to believe in it. Pages of Bible are full of killing, torture and injustice. God loves smell of burning animals. God killed 1.7million people in Bible. Both testaments are officially recognized by Vatican as true word of God. And yes you must be brainwashed and abandon all logic to believe in it. Jesus said you will be blessed if you believe without proof - this is first sign of fanatic and brainwashed person.

The bible was wrote how many years ago again? Back then, everything that happened was pretty much socially acceptable, no matter how hard you try to pretend it wasn't.

It's like if someone wrote a 'new' modern bible for todays world, it would be quite likely disgusting to a generation a thousand years from us.

I'm not saying what happens in the bible is right, nor am I even a Christian who is willing to prove that everything in there has a purpose. But once again, you've missed the point of religion. It's to become more spiritually aware, and the fact so many people believe the point of it is to analyze the bible's every murder is just stupid. How many christians do you see killing animals to smell them burning? None? How many christians do you know that just go kill people and possibly torture them just because it's in the bible? None? Well then I guess people are intelligent enough to read the bible, relate it to the time it was in and say "Oh okay, but this is now", and act appropriately to what modern times calls for.

Eis said,
There's a very small percentage of people who can build technology, so to assume the advancement of technology has any reflection of the average joe is ludicrous.

Educated person who can use PC and Internet will be always statistically smarter that person who don't have these things. Look at big picture. Rich countries, have good education, PC's at schools, good economy and strong social programs to help poor and sick. Poor countries have uneducated population, don't have social programs and die young. There is no even discussion about that. Technology is result and indicator of knowledge.

Eis said,
The bible was wrote how many years ago again? Back then, everything that happened was pretty much socially acceptable

Don't give this b***t. Christians are saying that Bible is the word of God. But Bible is full of killing torture and injustice, and God participated in all that like some cruel sick animal. Why he could not find someone smarter? Like 2000 years ago was no smart people on Earth. God is just like these aliens who abduct only crazy psychopaths just to perform anal probing on them. God was so stupid that he could not find smart inventors and philosopher like Democritus (8B.C.), back days Einstein or some peace loving people.

I could find any child and dictate him Einstein formulas (like E=mc^2) and he would write them right. You don't need to be smart in order to write genius texts if someone dictates them to you. And we had really smart people even 2000 years B.C.

Eis said,
It's like if someone wrote a 'new' modern bible for todays world, it would be quite likely disgusting to a generation a thousand years from us.

Wrong. Lets write Bible from one sentence: "Help people in need so they can learn from you and create more friendly society." Now you can explain which part of this will be disgusting to a generation a thousand years from us. :)

Eis said,
fact so many people believe the point of it is to analyze the bible's every murder is just stupid.

No its not when someone claims that Bible is an authority for their morality, and God is a murderer and paedophile (Marry was 12 when God impregnated her). Its not when some believer blows the building because he wants go to heaven to f**k 72 virgins.

Eis said,
How many christians do you see killing animals to smell them burning?

Animals no. People - Yes. For example: "Thanks" to Christianity and local voodoo religions they kill and burn thousand of witches in Africa (we had our share of Christianity in middle ages). Stupid and uneducated people understand Bible literally. If Bible says "kill" wizards and witches, they kill.

Watch this: "Channel 4 - Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children (2008)"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1546500823932425961

Eis said,
Well then I guess people are intelligent enough to read the bible, relate it to the time it was in and say

If someone believes that Bible is word of God then this person is stupid, delusional or never read the Bible. And number of believers is mind blowing. Its not hard to make people believe stupid things and do atrocities (Hitler proved it in 1941).

EJocys said,
Why he could not find someone smarter? Like 2000 years ago was no smart people on Earth. God is just like these aliens who abduct only crazy psychopaths just to perform anal probing on them. God was so stupid that he could not find smart inventors and philosopher like Democritus (8B.C.), back days Einstein or some peace loving people.

I don't quite understand what you're even talking about here. Intelligence has nothing at all to do with what is socially acceptable. What's socially acceptable depends on the tolerance of the people and what they were born into. If you were born into a nudist family, you'd be a nudist. That has nothing to do with intelligence. The things they do in the bible, though they will not be defended by the likes of me, were done by people who had their parents and grandparents doing the same thing years and years before and now had the rest of the people in the community pressuring them to do the same.

Also, just to get this out of the way, I don't believe in the slightest the bible was wrote by God or by someone who even talked to God. I'm defending Christians belief in the bible because they don't do these horrible things in this day and age in any advanced civilization, which you took upon yourself to define.

EJocys said,
Wrong. Lets write Bible from one sentence: "Help people in need so they can learn from you and create more friendly society." Now you can explain which part of this will be disgusting to a generation a thousand years from us. :)

Uh, lol.

EJocys said,
No its not when someone claims that Bible is an authority for their morality, and God is a murderer and paedophile (Marry was 12 when God impregnated her). Its not when some believer blows the building because he wants go to heaven to f**k 72 virgins.

Is that even a reply to my quote above? People can base their morality on anything they choose to, and bringing a radical Muslim into the picture is just plain out of context altogether.

EJocys said,
Watch this: "Channel 4 - Dispatches - Saving Africa's Witch Children (2008)"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1546500823932425961

That's awful, there's no denying it--But there are people who take anything way too far, and to base the whole of christianity on this would be wrong. You know it.

EJocys said,
If someone believes that Bible is word of God then this person is stupid, delusional or never read the Bible. And number of believers is mind blowing. Its not hard to make people believe stupid things and do atrocities (Hitler proved it in 1941).

Yikes. I don't even want to reply to such negativity on that first front.

But on the Hitler name drop, excuse me? Have you ever done any research on WWII and pre-WWII? The Germans were pretty much dying off because their living conditions were so fcked up after the first world war, and the reason they believed in Hitler was because he promised to save them. Which, by the way, he did. Hitler did terrible things that are absolutely inexcusable, but the country was better off after the war than before it.

Eis said,
I don't quite understand what you're even talking about here. Intelligence has nothing at all to do with what is socially acceptable.

It has everything to do. Social skills depends on intelligence. In order to have social skills brain must be advanced enough to emulate behaviour and feelings of other people. Average IQ must be not less than 80 points in order for complex social programs to exist in society. If average IQ is less than 80 points then people usually are selfish and don't care about needs of others. Bad education, low IQ is the reason why some countries are poor, sick and kill each other.


Eis said,
What's socially acceptable depends on the tolerance of the people and what they were born into.

Yes, that too.

Eis said,
The things they do in the bible, though they will not be defended by the likes of me, were done by people who had their parents and grandparents doing the same thing years and years before

God killed and tortured in Bible. I just wonder in what family he was born. When I've read Bible it made perfect sense why biggest atrocities in history were done in His name. You know, apple doesn't fall far from its tree. :)

Eis said,
and now had the rest of the people in the community pressuring them to do the same.

Yes, as figment of imagination God pressured to do the same. Problem is that most Christians think that Bible is some sort of moral authority.

Eis said,
People can base their morality on anything they choose to, and bringing a radical Muslim into the picture is just plain out of context altogether.

No its not, because Christians and Muslims have similar cruel book as moral Authority. Only difference between Muslims and Christians is that Christians ignoring teachings of Bible (they pick and choose).

Eis said,
But on the Hitler name drop, excuse me? Have you ever done any research on WWII and pre-WWII?

Yes, I did. Of course economy and populism played its part. But religion played its big part too. He was sure that God is on his side, and extermination of Jews was justified (you know, what would Jesus do... :). Religion played big part. Not smaller than it plays in American election. This is why, usually, all wars start with God supporting both sides.

While i currently disagreed with many precepts and rules imposed by the Catholic Church (even when i am Catholic), in fact i hate the current Pope (a Pope and a lord of the Sith, it is insane :-P ) but in this point i think they are so damn right.

You can say that our current society is totally different to the society of our fathers or grandfathers. In this new society we are gaining so much, but we are losing something in the same degreed. This society is tossing away several things not only the spirituality but also some other aspect (such the contact with the nature, to keep your inner kosmos in harmony and such) and sooner or later we will pay for it. The question is "what is the price?".

A usual rural townsfolk (not a fanatic Amish) earn a lot less than a urban citizen, haven't less material properties (they can still own a crt television,a radio and a old truck or pickup), they work hard daily (holidays are sparse) and still you can find more happiness in this people instead in many city dweller.

Has technology made your life easy or more complex?.
Your inner ghost (spirit, interior child, or whatever you want to call it) is happy with your current habitat? or he want to go away from anything and anywhere?.

Hehehe. They are losing power after a few thousands years... They might even have to start working! No wonder why they want to go back to "old ways" so they can control things again.

"Christianity: the belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force form your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Yeah... Makes perfect sense.

And then people say that Neon Genesis Evangelion is weird...

CharlyAR said,
"Christianity: the belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force form your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Yeah... Makes perfect sense.
And then people say that Neon Genesis Evangelion is weird...

Christianity in the core is composed by the New Testament only, the Old Testament is just a add-ons that came from the Jewish root of the Christianity and several church void completely this Old Testament.

Anyways, the Old Testament is some sort of fable, with many anthropomorphized creatures and symbolic representation. Its make a sense, for example if a scientific want to explain to a non-scientific people about the nuclear explosion, then he will tell you about balls called atoms but the true is atoms are not balls neither spheric but a complex (and dynamic) structure, atoms are like a waves. For this case, The Eden is not a true garden but a symbolic representation, neither the Apple and the serpent are real.

Magallanes said,
Christianity in the core is composed by the New Testament only, the Old Testament is just a add-ons that came from the Jewish root of the Christianity and several church void completely this Old Testament.

Anyways, the Old Testament is some sort of fable, with many anthropomorphized creatures and symbolic representation. Its make a sense, for example if a scientific want to explain to a non-scientific people about the nuclear explosion, then he will tell you about balls called atoms but the true is atoms are not balls neither spheric but a complex (and dynamic) structure, atoms are like a waves. For this case, The Eden is not a true garden but a symbolic representation, neither the Apple and the serpent are real.

It's amazing how christians have the ability to make up a definition of their faith on the spot that would seem to make it almost reasonable. The problem is that each and every definition is different, and often contradictory.

It's only in recent times that anyone has considered that any part of the bible may not be literal truth. It's only when science started to demonstrate that there could be completely natural explanations for things that the bible insisted had to be caused by god that theologians had to start to back pedal and start shouting 'it's only allegorical', or 'it's only symbolic'.

Slugsie said,
It's amazing how christians have the ability to make up a definition of their faith on the spot that would seem to make it almost reasonable. The problem is that each and every definition is different, and often contradictory.

It's only in recent times that anyone has considered that any part of the bible may not be literal truth. It's only when science started to demonstrate that there could be completely natural explanations for things that the bible insisted had to be caused by god that theologians had to start to back pedal and start shouting 'it's only allegorical', or 'it's only symbolic'.


So what if people have different points of view with the same or any religion? You're supposed to take what's useful or makes sense to you and apply it to possibly help you become a better person.

You're arguing about who dotted with i's and crossed the t's, but the point of any religion is far above such trivial nagging.

I make this real simple for you all:

Technology / normal way of life >>> religion.

Church is just ****ed that they're losing control over people.
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The time when i loose my grip on reality and start to believe in imaginary friends, e.g. Christ or something like that, shoot me.

There's a lot of people like you that have just missed the point of religion entirely.

I mean that's fine. If you want to believe that religion is all about believing in "imaginary friends" and whatever you said, go for it. But the point of believing in something existing past this plain of consciousness is to help better yourself.

Also, enough with the literal translations of what Christianity or any other religion is. Seriously, anyone who looks at those pictures and thinks Christianity is ridiculous because of it either already hates it or understands absolutely nothing about symbolism or figurative speech.

who cares what these losers from the Vatican think, they are the most hypocritical and corrupted individuals I know along with their OBSOLETE institution!

Each new technology, especially the most groundbreaking ones, require decades to be properly absorbed and harnessed by societies. An example of this is that the great productivity rise one would expect from the discovery of electricity came... 25 years after electricity itself. The internet is changing the world, but it will change it a whole lot more in years to come. The internet has the same effect on societies typography had 5 centuries ago: massive outspreading of information. It's no wonder typography and the internet were both faced with a common enemy in their first steps: religion.

PS> Recommended reading: The World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Twenty-First Century -Thomas L. Friedman

is leaving no time for spiritual nourishment

Boo hoo! If spirits actually existed, then maybe this would be true. But they don't, so it isn't.

Can we try to NOT make this a Christian-Bashing fest?

We can try, but they made the first strike with that demeaning comment, so the gloves are off now!!

Neo Razgriz said,
is leaving no time for spiritual nourishment

Boo hoo! If spirits actually existed, then maybe this would be true. But they don't, so it isn't.

Can we try to NOT make this a Christian-Bashing fest?

We can try, but they made the first strike with that demeaning comment, so the gloves are off now!!


Personally, I'd single out the phrase how worthless pursuit of money and success has proven to be

Earth calling Catholic Church. What've you been up to for the last several hundred years? Not only is the pursuit of success not worthless (to say it doesn't makes no sense), but hoarding cash is what the church has been doing itself.

It seems quite ironic that Fr. Lombardi's message will be spread through the very medium which he has detested, the internet.

Way to undermine your message.

The Tjalian said,
It seems quite ironic that Fr. Lombardi's message will be spread through the very medium which he has detested, the internet.

Way to undermine your message.


The title of the article is misleading. The Pope isn't saying technology is bad, he's saying it can get in the way of...

"Lombardi states, 'In the age of the cell phone and the internet, it is probably more difficult than before to protect silence and to nourish the interior dimension of life'."

RAID 0 said,
The title of the article is misleading. The Pope isn't saying technology is bad, he's saying it can get in the way of...


Same difference. Anything that gets in the way of the religion IS considered bad. You even said so above when you said that it was considered a sin.

Foub said,
Same difference. Anything that gets in the way of the religion IS considered bad.


I think you're over reacting.

I disagree entirely. If anything, technology has spread more messages of the religious than anything else. Hell, I've even had a few Christian TEXT MESSAGES from people I didn't even know!

And if anyone has a religious family who has access to the internet, I'm sure you have a ton of "FWD: INSPIRATIONAL GOD EMAIL HERE" sitting in your inbox. (I know I do)

I think RAID 0 is right about Neowin's misleading title. The original article had the subtitle: "The Vatican has warned that our obsession with modern technology, such as the internet and mobile phones, is not leaving people enough time for spiritual pursuits."

Sorry, but it's quite a stretch to say that overuse of technology--or overuse of anything for that matter--is the same as technology damaging the soul.

I suppose technology makes an easy target to blame for the increasingly rapid decline in church attendance by the masses. However, I suspect the only part technology has played is in assisting science to show how utterly incredible and nonsensical religion is. *

* Usual caveats apply: hate mail to my designated hate mail address only, imaginative insults only, no lecturing in how morally and intellectually superior religious people are, etc. etc.

Your last statement... why go on the offencive? Did a Christian touch you in a naughty spot when you were little? You can tell us, we're all family here on Neowin.

RAID 0 said,
Your last statement... why go on the offencive? Did a Christian touch you in a naughty spot when you were little? You can tell us, we're all family here on Neowin.


Did one do that to you so that you think that anyone who doesn't accept religion must have been abused by someone in the Church? The most immoral people I have ever met have been religious as well. And no I wasn't "touched in a naughty way" by a Christian either...

RAID 0 said,
Your last statement... why go on the offencive? Did a Christian touch you in a naughty spot when you were little? You can tell us, we're all family here on Neowin.

Hey, read the smallprint, it says 'imaginative insults only'. :)

SniperX said,
Hey, read the smallprint, it says 'imaginative insults only'. :)


That was no insult. Just wondering why the hate?

RAID 0 said,
That was no insult. Just wondering why the hate?

You're the one who is expressing the intolerance here against freedom of speech.

Foub said,
You're the one who is expressing the intolerance here against freedom of speech.


...and your quotes in your profile... show the opposite?