Vista Anti-Piracy Will Drive People to Linux?

Oh, the wicked 2007 predictions people make, just because it's the end of the year. The good folks over at IDC released their "Top 10 Predictions for Worldwide System Infrastructure Software, 2007." Overall, it's a good list, although I don't buy No. 9. IDC predicts: "Microsoft's client operating system anti-piracy efforts will backfire. Microsoft's anti-piracy campaign will drive customers toward Linux."

Bwhahahaha. Somebody has been tipping too much holiday eggnog. The anti-piracy campaign is biggest on the desktop--so, what? IDC suggests that Linux is finally going to gain desktop traction because of Windows product activation? Oh the tears, I'm laughing so hard.

More likely, new anti-piracy mechanisms will drive customers to Windows XP. More onerous piracy checks apply to Vista than its predecessor. Microsoft's nightmare situation is that customers stick with Windows XP and consume more Web-based products or services as means of extending operating system capabilities without upgrading.

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Quote - Arcticflare said @ #8.12

The limiting factor there is that they all involve and require the use of pre-compiled binary executables (even in the case of simply extracting a program from a zip file, the program itself is still a pre-compiled binary). Compare that to being able to extract/install and then run a full-fledged application without the use of a binary. There are some benefits there that you're not getting in what is an essentially binary only environment.

Or am I wrong here? At least it is true that other operating systems place emphasis on the ability of the average user to do their own compilation by having the needed tools ready as part of the system. Binary compatibility is not able to present restrictive problems this way. Even OSX has it's own command-line compilation tools (taken among other things from BSD, I think), though they are not present in a default installation.

You can also install binay only stuff on linux, but that was not my point. The advantage of linux' package systems is that you're relying on one single app to manage all your software, and that leads to a clean system. Also, along with the distro's software repositories, provides a much better security.

Say you was to install some program on windows that should be available for all users on that system. Even if the software itself was to be run only as user, you're still trusting the installer, which is after all a program running with admin priviledges.

Quote - HawkMan

Developers don't want to package their app for 10 different, not only OS' but variaties of ONE OS. it's stupid. it's impractical and it takes unecessary resources. And it's even worse for users

You don't get it: they don't have to. Just look at UT2004, the script provided on the CDs/DVD was enough to install the game on any distro.
It's up to distro maintainers to keep the repositories up to date... or do you think it was Epic (or Atari) who provided the ebuild so I could just "emerge ut2004" on my gentoo?

well I can only speek for my self, but I changed from windows to ubuntu on my tower at home, because I'm not willing to pay for vista ultimate, but also want to have a media center. I can say that for a simple use of the computer, mail, webrowsing, simple game ( solitaire ) GNULinux systems are ready, I'm going to install it on my mothers computer soon, it takes less maintence than windows, less virus, malware,etc
Whem you want more you have to start using the terminal, simply because most advanced programs don't have a gui, and that's the big diference to windows, in windows you can always find a program that you click a couple of times and it does what you want, in a GNUlinux it's harder but on the other hand theres alot of help from tutorials and forums.

So it's taking me a while in this transitional fase, getting to know a new sistem but in a couple of weeks spending one or two hours a day, I now have a full system running has a media server, email server, with web browsing ( firefox ) and a couple of other programs running.

On my laptop or my wifes laptop we HAVE to continue using windows, because of the programs we use, I'm a graphic designer, she's an arquitecht, so Adobe suite and autocad comes to mind in software we can do without...
So we will continue using windows xp in both machines since its payed for and it works...
since we have email and browsing centralized from now on a GNULinux system I hope widows also becomes easier to mantain.

When a new version of the programs mentioned before arrives requiring vista, we probably have bought new computers wich will come with vista.

I can say that if adobe or autodesk start releasing software for GNULinux I would stop using windows in a flash, for the money ofcourse but specialy from an ethic and social point of view, and I also think windows is to "user friendly", less and less people know how to manage their systems, we have become drones that type a couple of things and click a few times. When something goes KABUM, we should know how to fix it... but that's justs my humble point of view...

Sorry for the long text and forgive me any typos since english is not my first language.

Why do peopel keep insisting they need ultimate, especially thtat they need ultimate because they want to have mediacenter.

MediaCenter is aprt of Home premium too. wich certainly is reasonabely priced.

Well maybe I explained my self incorrectly, but the tower at home is sharing over a terabyte of media files, so it's actualy a media center and a media server, and the last time I checked home premium doesn't ship with advanced network capabilities, that's why I would prefer ultimate over home premium, also the remote desktop might come in handy...

regardless maybe you missed the part about the ethic and social point of view, you know the whole Free Software Movement...

I used to be part of the whole Free Software Movement, or "ethnic and social" thing too.

but then I realized that I'm not buying a computer to show off my perspective, I'm buying a computer to get my work done. nowadays I'm in love with my Windows Vista install because windows gets my job done and linux and mac don't, no questions asked.

haha, oh isn't the comment system a great place to post opinions =)

Microsoft drove me to try linux a long time ago. Whats new now that they release an OS that i wont be able to afford for 5 years? Seriously, lay off the microsoft.

The only thing that would really shove a majority of microsoft users to linux is when microsoft stop supporting older programs.

Like the upgrade to XP, Vista have tons of things that needs to be work out.

They're planning a entire new shell, os interaction for the next major release (not server), That'll raise a LARGE compatibility crisis.

By than wine (windows compatibility layer for anything that isn't windows) would develop so that it supports most programs microsoft have dropped, or no longer actively developed.

That's when linux have a slight chance. not now when it's still so young. (compare slackware linux and microsoft windows, 10 years vs 30 years)

Before I prefer ubuntu and fedora because of the looks and the promise that most win32 apps will run like office and internet explore through wine. The biggest factor is that it's legal. Hell good that does. who cares about that? I want to play games.

But in a decade, they'll have win 98-2003 totally backward engineered (they use upgraded libraries of their precessors) and we can use windows apps and games on linux.

That's why all the code changes in vista, to prevent compatibility layers from catching up.

I actually like the graphics on vista, so I use vista. Most people knows nothing about computers, but they know art when they see it, and greed is something everyone feels, the only difference is the level of control they have on theirselves.

I would DEFINATlY use linux when wine is developed enough, so would most other people.

The thing is, most of us is familier with the codes of win 98, and build our games on it, now's on codes of win xp. But vista... there wasn't many games developed for win 2000... so to the pattern, dos games -> win 98 games -> win xp games... the next major platform is the transition between vista and their new completely rewritten new os in a decade.

I also like linux for the resource saving design. it takes 2g to install a nice looking linux that has a tons of functions, even including developer's pack. but in windows, now in vista, 8g to install something that just looks slightly more advanced, but not more functions linux of 500mb would have.

The only thing windows have over linux is ease of use, which is importent for newbies.

But being an early adapter is a pain, I have to rebuild all my open-source programs from source, even the compiler and shell (mingw), which have like... a million errors to sort out. But maybe it's because it's the first time I have to compile open source codes in windows.

And so far, the only thing that's garentee to work properly is microsoft's stuff plus the programs that uses a generic code.

Most game/hack guards for mmorpgs don't work, therefore alot of games don't work.

However the thing is, a lot of people like windows, especially software and hardware distributation corporations. you don't see norton expanding support to linux, or dell. companies like dell actually earn some money from microsoft for each copy of windows a user buys to go along with the pc. Notice all large hardware venders NEVER use linux? they don't get commission if they use linux. Unless it's a trial to see it it's cheaper to ditch windows for linux.

Plus, with each windows upgrade, hardware upgrade is nessesary. So more money for the hardware manufacturers if the user want to keep up to date.

Because windows give commision to hardware venders, hardware venders forces us to use windows. And because windows is a default, game developers will always develope games for windows. Windows will always rule, even if linux outstrips windows in preformance, security, looks... even when there's enough games to match windows.

Oh by the way, does anyone knows of a alternative network stack for windows. the build in one's ridicules even if it's rumored to be from freebsd and 10% faster than before. So many bugs.

So yea, in other words, every major tech spots are working together against free things to make a living.

Quote - tggkao9999 said @ #11

However the thing is, a lot of people like windows, especially software and hardware distributation corporations. you don't see norton expanding support to linux, or dell. companies like dell actually earn some money from microsoft for each copy of windows a user buys to go along with the pc. Notice all large hardware venders NEVER use linux? they don't get commission if they use linux. Unless it's a trial to see it it's cheaper to ditch windows for linux.


Wrong:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global....;l=en&s=biz
http://www.dell.com/content/products/featu...;l=en&s=bsd


Regarding norton, why would they expand to linux, and why exactly would anyone want them to do so?

I can't see more than 1% of user migrating to Linux because of this. The majority of computer users are businesses who probably have 10's-100's applications in use that rely on windows, switching is too costly.
The majority of home users are using windows on bought machines and should have no problems with activation/authentication.

When i speak to users and even mention Linux they have no idea what it is never mind download, burn and install a distribution.

If you want to try an easy to use Linux distro for the Absolute beginner, go with Freespire.. CNR is free and if you want a program, search for it, click install and let it do it's thing.. It's installed and ready to go..

If you have a little more computer knowledge and want a little more tinkering, Suse 10.2 is nice.. Fast, and with XGL, Vista can keep Aero.. my ATI 64MB card on my laptop runs XGL fine.. With Vista on the same machine, I got a 1.0 rating..

Let see.. A free DVD download or $300 for the OS and another $400 for the office suite; not a hard decision for a family with kids..

Vista on a new Dell system isn't $300. It probably only adds $50-$80 of the price (we are talking the Home version of Vista). And for most of these people, they already have XP.

Windows is pre-paid for these people, and they think it is almost like it is free because of that. Then they can run OO.o on that, and still stay legal and relatively inexpensive.

Your costs are excessive.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm quite sure that Apples market share will raise for like 5% or so - cause they've been doing a pretty fine job lately. But most people don't bother about good or bad. They eat what they're served AND the biggest problem is that of software compatibility (as always). Naturally, Software gets developed for Vista first and all the others second. And that will not change with Vista.

As much as I do love the current Linux distributions like Edgy or SLED, Linux is not what your typical Desktop user would choose. The mac suits them a bit more, but thanks to no games and, sure, software incompatibility, it won't win a lot of new friends as well.

So no matter how ****ty the OS is that Microsoft will come up with (Okay, Vista is not ****ty, it's just WAY not what you'd expect after 5 years of development, it's just 'good enough'. Oh, by the way: Remember that old Longhorn Rockstar video Microsoft released at PDC2k3? 'Good enough isn't good enough anymore?' - Well, it seems to be 'good enough' again), people won't just switch from one day to the other. And they'll buy Vista cause that's what'll be on the PCs you can buy at Walmart, Dell, whatever. Like it or not, but Vista is good enough so that people will not look around and get accustomed to a totally new operating system.

My opinion about Vista

1: Does not support DirectSound 3D Hardware Acceleration which mean no EAX through DirectX so only few mustly newer games already have OpenAL support will work so your SOL with older games that build around EAX.

2: Vista is a major memory hog with Vista Ultimate what I'm seeing 450MB on clean install and that was with out enable MCE, I wonder what Vista Home Basic is going to be like on clean install to bad MS didn't give us CCP user an option to try the diff ver of Vista.

3: Problem with XP and Vista is that MS owns you with the WPA (Windows Product Activation) & WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) with that phones home carp, What you all think going happing when MS turn off validation process for XP which is most likely going happing in a few years which mean you being force to move some other OS.

4: Reinstall XP or Vista on a new assembled system becuases your old system die mean you going re-do the validation process which is not going to match old system hash so now you have CALL MS and think XP bad just wait in tell you get load of Vista, Read this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11..._eula_worries/

5: You all should be worries about MS planning annual rental fee meaning you be force each and every year to paid in order to keep using windows, office and etc.

My opinion about Linux

1: The main problems with linux is way to min distros/version with nobody work at common one standard.

2: There no standrad install and min app have be per-compile so better hope you have all dev stuff install and we know about Windows "DLL hell", well enter Linux "Dependency hell".

Quote - SHS said @ #15
My opinion about Vista

1: Does not support DirectSound 3D Hardware Acceleration which mean no EAX through DirectX so only few mustly newer games already have OpenAL support will work so your SOL with older games that build around EAX.

2: Vista is a major memory hog with Vista Ultimate what I'm seeing 450MB on clean install and that was with out enable MCE, I wonder what Vista Home Basic is going to be like on clean install to bad MS didn't give us CCP user an option to try the diff ver of Vista.

3: Problem with XP and Vista is that MS owns you with the WPA (Windows Product Activation) & WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) with that phones home carp, What you all think going happing when MS turn off validation process for XP which is most likely going happing in a few years which mean you being force to move some other OS.

4: Reinstall XP or Vista on a new assembled system becuases your old system die mean you going re-do the validation process which is not going to match old system hash so now you have CALL MS and think XP bad just wait in tell you get load of Vista, Read this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11..._eula_worries/

5: You all should be worries about MS planning annual rental fee meaning you be force each and every year to paid in order to keep using windows, office and etc.

My opinion about Linux

1: The main problems with linux is way to min distros/version with nobody work at common one standard.

2: There no standrad install and min app have be per-compile so better hope you have all dev stuff install and we know about Windows "DLL hell", well enter Linux "Dependency hell".

agree anyway stick with XP its very good already the only reason for vista its directx10 its the way to force gamers to go to vista, but only microsoft games anyways most companies realize that directx9.0c its good enough

:sleeping: Ho Hum another prediction that won't come true.

There's nothing "wrong" with Linux but how about a dose of reality? Linux people either (1) don't want to pay for software or (2) want to run "open source" or, in some cases (3) Have a pointless hatred for Microsoft.

Do you really think a Microsoft customer is going to go to buy Vista and then go "oh, you know, I heard that you have to be a legit customer to use this and I don't want the hassle of proving once that I paid for this so I will dump my entire computer, learn Linux, switch to it, find compatible drivers and software, and be up and running in 10x the time it would take to get Vista up and running". Please.

There are logical reasons for some people to cosnider Linux. Suffering the few seconds of WGA (which is actually quite painless) is not a valid reason. Besides, a vast majority of home (and business) users don't know what Linux is or don't want to learn it. They stick with what they know.

Linux, you have your share of users. If you want more, you have to give valid reasons for people to switch and WGA is not one of them, sorry.

I don't like how linux installs things, it should be like in windows (click > run > enjoy).

Seriously, it shouldn't be such a big task! You download the linux program, then read an entire page on how to install it "correctly". What a joke!.. I don't have the patience for that!

Then you have "synaptic", where you select the program you want, then it downloads and install automatically. You think that would make things easy, right?.. Wrong!.. I have a slow DSL line, why if for some reason I need to reinstall the OS?.. Great, now I get to go back on to "****naptic" and re-download all the programs again. Again, what a joke!.. I don't have the patience for that!


Then you got 'Apple', and we all know you cant build one. So hell with them! :mad:


MS Windows Forever! :P

You just proved you have no clue.

Then you have "synaptic", where you select the program you want, then it downloads and install automatically. You think that would make things easy, right?.. Wrong!.. I have a slow DSL line, why if for some reason I need to reinstall the OS?.. Great, now I get to go back on to "****naptic" and re-download all the programs again. Again, what a joke!.. I don't have the patience for that!

Same happens if you download a windows program and delete the installer. If you can't be bothered downloading again then store the packages and install from hd/cd next time.

I prove I like windows better, I don't have to be bothered by such a big learning curve. And yes I do save my windows programs that I D/L, that way I can reinstall easily.

Good for you, next time just don't bash something out of ignorance.
Same as you save your programs on windows you can save them on linux.

Quote - BriFi said @ #19
I don't like how linux installs things, it should be like in windows (click > run > enjoy).

Seriously, it shouldn't be such a big task! You download the linux program, then read an entire page on how to install it "correctly". What a joke!.. I don't have the patience for that!

Then you have "synaptic", where you select the program you want, then it downloads and install automatically. You think that would make things easy, right?.. Wrong!.. I have a slow DSL line, why if for some reason I need to reinstall the OS?.. Great, now I get to go back on to "****naptic" and re-download all the programs again. Again, what a joke!.. I don't have the patience for that!


Then you got 'Apple', and we all know you cant build one. So hell with them! :mad:


MS Windows Forever! :P

Do you make backup copies of software you download in windows? I would hope so, and you claim you do. Why should that be any different for any other OS? You seem to imply it is since you are suggesting that you are forced to re-download. Methinks doing such is a problem with the user, rather than the system.

It would seem that your major argument against Linux is due to the fact you have been conditioned by MS that your OS needs reinstallation on a regular basis, and that the simple idea of burning downloaded software doesn't seem to have entered your mind. Either that or you've not taken enough time to learn how to do it.. which again suggests that you *might not* know enough about Linux to make a fair judgement.. but then.. not even thinking about burning software almost suggests being new to computers in general. It is a far rarer occurance during normal usage for a Linux based OS to need a complete overhaul. So.. in summary.. Linux does not need regular "freshening", and regardless of that, any sane user will burn a copy of any software they download regardless of platform, so it is a moot point anyway.

Glad you are happy with windows, but please try to not project it's problems onto Linux.

Microsoft's nightmare situation is that customers stick with Windows XP and consume more Web-based products or services as means of extending operating system capabilities without upgrading.

Why would I need to extend WinXP's capabilities? It does everything fine for me already. I'm not a ****ing newb so I don't need all the nanny security features and the "user-friendly" layout of Vista, the GUI is junk, I don't use IE, I don't have a behemoth of a computer so supposedly I won't get the full user experience... but I need a dual core 4000+ with high end vid card to listen to music and browse the internet, right?

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