Vista Ultimate's promised add-ons just broken promises?

Microsoft Corp. has failed to deliver on its promise of downloadable extras for the highest-priced version of Windows Vista, critics claim. Dubbed "Extras" and exclusive to Vista Ultimate, the downloads were touted before, at and after the launch as one of a handful of features that separated the $399 operating system from the $239 Home Premium. On Ultimate's marketing site, Microsoft currently says of Extras: "These cutting-edge programs, innovative services, and unique publications provide a richer computing experience for Windows Vista Ultimate users."

Trouble is, according to critics like Scott Dunn, an editor with the popular "Windows Secrets" newsletter, Microsoft hasn't followed through. Since January, when Vista was released to consumers, no new finished Extra have been offered to Ultimate users. "Extras is not a minor feature of Ultimate," Dunn argued. "It's one of the things that sets it apart from Home Premium, and one of the few unique things that has been promised Ultimate users."

Microsoft issued three Extras when Vista debuted, including a poker game; an add-on to BitLocker, Vista's whole-disk encryption tool; and language packs for the operating system's Multilingual User Interface. The next month, Microsoft posted DreamScene, a video screensaver, in beta form; DreamScene has not shifted out of beta since then.

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When has anybody actually beleived a word anything Microsoft has ever said...? :)

I'm just glad I did not have to pay for mine...

Newegg has Ult for $350, thats only $50 more then XP pro was when it came out, and seeing as that includes Tablet, and Media center, $350 is a DAMN good price for the OS even with out the extras.

Okay, on the brighter side of things:

Vista's remote desktop works very well. DWM effects and audio stream over to the client smoothly. May someone please suggest a good alternative to Remote Desktop, if any?

(Maybe LogMeIn, but I haven't tried it yet for Vista.)

Logmein's Hamachi works fine in 64 bit. I use it for the encryption and use ULTRAVNC beta for the remote desktop... not exactly the same experience as RDP but works well enough.. Of course setting up Hamachi as a service was fun I used Firedeamon (if you start it intereactive you can even get to the local services desktop). There were some issues with the Hamachi machine name as the one runnign as a service may have the same "computer" name but its different as the curretn user configured one.

Well, the only reason I have Ultimate is because I got Business for free through that PowerTogether offer a while back, so the $100 I spent on the Anytime Upgrade seemed like a pretty good deal for a new OS. Business is great, though, the only reason I sprung the money for Ultimate is because I can't stand the idea that there is an OS out there with more features and I'm not using it. I wouldn't say I wasted my money, but if you're looking to buy Vista, save yourself a little money and get Business (or if you're not a geek and you want the media features over the networking features, get Home Premium). Unless you're like me and you have to have all the goodies.

Ultimate for that price is a waste of f'ing money! You people need to spend your money more wisely if you're dropping money on this junk

People didn't listen when they asked "ah...............................Home Premium or Ultimate?" People warned you, you're wasting money on Ultimate. You didn't listen, now live with it!

So, basically, purchasing Vista Ultimate for the express purpose of getting extras like Texas Hold'em is a bit of a gamble?

Don't worry! All th extras will be here eventually. MS will get to them once they finish all the promised free themes for XP.

toadeater said,

What a tosser.


In any event, who gives a ****. MS will release them when they want to. If you were dumb enough to buy Ultimate, it's your own fault.

add me to the list of people that are irate about the lack of additional extras. I know that ultimate has more then the other versions of Vista but the EXTRAS were touted far and wide as being one of the best reasons for consumers to upgrade to ultimate.

Now we are getting the shaft again from microsoft. You can look around and see where there priorities lie and it is not with giving away any more extras. All they do is hype and lie .

i bought Ultimate but not for the Extras. i just like the comfort of knowing that i have the full feature set available to me should i ever need to do something different.

not that i would go encrypting all my drives, but i do like the fact that i could if i wanted to.

as for the whole Extras-shortage, has anyone considered the possibility that some new Extras might be launched around the same time as SP1? given how hush-hush MS has been lately, i wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're doing now: staying mum all year long and dropping apps/features/extras whenever they feel like it.

I would be happy if they would just release a version of the Windows XP Imager Resizer Powertoy that would install on Vista. (I think it runs on Vista if you did an upgrade from XP, but it won't install on Vista using the installer.)

anyone who thinks Vista Ultimate is just "Vista Premium with Extras" is retarded.

...

wow, after reading some other posts, it seems others have beat me to this CRAZY concept.

You buy ultimate for combining the business and home premium feature sets. Extras are just that, extras. Why do so many forum goons think ultimate is nothing but home premium + extras.

I'm sorry but if you purchased Vista Ultimate on the basis of "extras" you are either completely new to computers, a person with money to burn or a total living embodiment of what it means to be a complete moron and idiot.

If the latter is the case the only proven remedy found to work, is sitting on one thumb and putting the other in your mouth for one year. :nuts:

There is something in the EULA for the movie maker guy that says he copied his files over and hes not breaking anyrules. The only way to install window componets from MS is via a installer using cab files. Theres a big debate over the VB6 users and DX8 support. The Indy gaming side of things is getting alot of heat for distrubiting dx8vb.dll to Vista machines. Sence it has been removed from DX9b redist and sence XP got DX9EXT vs normal XP DX9.

EULA is not a law nor a legal contract, just can be used like a adviced and a counter measure to protect themself, not for start a litigation. For example i can create a nice (and free) program but with a EULA that say "yadayadayada... give me all your money asap.".

In fact, to do a click is not equal to signing (with the exception of some banking webpages).

In many cases MS is just bluffing about their own EULA.

What other "extras" would people want ? Off the top of my head i can't think of anything they could add which wouldn't be more suited to a "cross vista editions" release, although finishing dreamscene would be nice.

Maybe this isn't news to you, but you are after all the one who waisted time reading the article and then posted a comment. So out of this entire ordeal, it is your own fault. Not everyone is going to find what staff posts as news to them, but it might be to someone else, that same thing goes for any news outlet. If it isn't news to you, then don't read it and certainly don't waist time complaining about it. How difficult is that?

But then again if you care enough to complain about it, then you have to much time on your hands already.

If through some stroke of luck a company was able to create a superior OS that ran on standard computer hardware with the ability to run windows apps for the price of OS X, Microsoft would be finished. People are getting tired of this mediocrity but there's no alternative.

Honestly I saw this coming. They come out with a few things (like BitLocker, Poker, Dreamscene) and then abandon it. Maybe they will release something in the future who knows. They should have just left out Ultimate Extras if they didn't plan on making anything worth while.

A cool idea, if they wanted to, they could release some 'games for windows' on a download only system as some of the extras, or offer a catalog, that allows the user to choose from one or more apps/games to be downloaded, say, a stripped down version of office (for home use), or something!

I am trying to suspend the almost routine disappointment and typical Microsoft-bashing comments from entering my mind. The facts so far are that 3 Ultimate Extras have been released since RTM on 8th November. But let's be a little more generous because, for most ordinary people, RTM was 30th January 2007. So that's 3 extras in 5 months plus a further 1 that's still in beta. I guess it could be worse...

But the longer I think about it, all the extras that have been released were originally scheduled for the main Vista product and some were included in many of the Longhorn betas! So there really haven't been any "new" extras at all.

If you read through all the blurb on the Ultimate Extras Control Panel Applet in Vista, it sends a cynical chill down your back as you ponder the "Cutting Edge Programs", "Innovative Services" and "Unique Publications" that are yet to arrive. I am so hoping that the developers that would otherwise be working on these extras are instead ploughing their energy into working on Server 2008, Vista SP1 and XP SP3 (remember when Microsoft announced they were not committed to it and now they are?). Maybe, just maybe nearer the end of this year, we will see more activity here, I am hoping Microsoft didn't think we'd all forget; that it literally sweep it under the carpet and screwed over those people who dared buy into the hype and shelled out a premium for it.

Also, what happend to the premium Desktop 8000 keyboard/mouse combo that was supposed to come out alongside Vista? Infact, what happened to all those Ultimate branded premium PC's in shiny silver and the like? Oh boy, I need to lay down...

the Wireless Entertainment Desktop 8000 has been pushed back to September 2007, just like the Wireless Gaming Receiver got pushed from December 26th 2006 to whenever the heck it really did come out.

they just keep pushing things further ahead for whatever reason.

If you are a home user Home Premium is all you need. If you need the Business version get it instead. Ultimate is just a ripoff, even the name was a marketing ploy to make certain people think they needed it, because it's "the best".

This was why when I finally decided to buy Vista last month, I picked up the Business edition. All the things I needed and none of the junk.

Even sony has put up more things in the sucky european PSN than microsoft has done with ultimate extras.
Sucky comparison, I know... but whatever :P

How about they just do away with the Extras and just allow us to legally install and activate our one copy of Vista Ultimate on 5-10 different machines.

Le Master said,
How about they just do away with the Extras and just allow us to legally install and activate our one copy of Vista Ultimate on 5-10 different machines.

I say legally install and activate our one copy of Vista Ultimate on 30-40 different machines Unlimited amount of times With Support that covers the Life Cycle of the OS.

dl0711 said,

I say legally install and activate our one copy of Vista Ultimate on 30-40 different machines Unlimited amount of times With Support that covers the Life Cycle of the OS.

That's more like it. I can GUARANTEE Vista Ultimate sales would skyrocket subsequent to an announcement like that.

That's why I went with H.P. - I knew Microsoft was going to make us raise with them bluffing a royal flush and giving us barely nothing back.

They should've just released a Home/Pro version just like XP. All these different SKUs just add confusion and puts unnecessary burden on their development resources.

If you think about it it is not really that bad. I am excluding the N versions because Microsoft was forced to create those for both XP and Vista and it is only in Europe.

Windows Vista Home Basic = Windows XP Home Edition
Windows Vista Home Premium = Media Center if it was built off Windows XP Home Edition
Windows Vista Business = Windows XP Professional and Tablet PC Edition
Windows Vista Ultimate = Windows XP Media Center Edition and Tablet PC Edition

Microsoft only created one extra choice for the general public and most people just use what came on the computer that they just happen to choose (which is most often Home Premium). Also if most of the people that use XP Media Center Edition don't use the "Professional" features of XP Pro that is was built on so that is why Microsoft created Home Premium.

As for the rest of the editions:

Windows Vista Starter Edition = Windows XP Starter Edition (Only in very few markets so most people don't have this choice)
Windows Vista Enterprise = Windows XP Professional VLK (Only available to bulk license purchasers, again not something that would be on the store shelf)

All but one Vista SKU has an XP equivalent.

Crikey. Didn't realise that those Ultimate customers had been so neglected. To be honest as soon as I saw Ultimate I thought it was going to be a cop out, and frankly a card game and animated wallpapers don't really constitute an Ultimate version of an Operating System in my humble opinion!

Microsoft need to get off their backsides and fix this!

the issue is there has been NO Updates as to whats going on with the extras from microsoft.

also its been how long since the Preview of DreamScene? about 4-5 months and its still in preview without any updates to it.. Remember DreamScene was one of the TOP selling points that microsoft used to sell ULT.

Yeah I could wait if I knew what it was I was waiting for!

And what happend to Group Shot that they demo'ed? I mean you can even download the MSR version of it as of sept 20 2006 (http://research.microsoft.com/projects/GroupShot/) how long does it take to repackage?

Windows Vista only came out in January. Sure they haven't delivered instantly, but once the user base expands significantly I expect they will do.

Well seeing as it's rumored that the Ultimate team has been disbanded i'm not sure they will.

What i think they will end up doing is giving away exsisting software packages for free.

Granted it came out in January, but they should have had develop some apps/services during the beta. From a marketing standpoint if they had all these neat apps/services ready for launch it would have driven up the sales of Ultimate.

ClintEastman said,
Well seeing as it's rumored that the Ultimate team has been disbanded i'm not sure they will.

What i think they will end up doing is giving away exsisting software packages for free.

So true. and to back up that clame how come they have yet to respond to the rumores??. Because there is NO team

dl0711 said,

So true. and to back up that clame how come they have yet to respond to the rumores??. Because there is NO team

There is a team, for windows, just not the same team. From the way I understand it, they often change most if not all of the Windows team after a big release, to get new ideas in. I could be wrong though, but I know for sure that many of the top people working on Windows now are the ones who worked on Office 2k7 which I really like alot.

I think they're pretty much working out Server 2k8 and SP1 for Vista and are busy with those 2. Later on when those are out we should start to see more Extras, that'd be my guess.

GP007 said,
There is a team, for windows, just not the same team. From the way I understand it, they often change most if not all of the Windows team after a big release, to get new ideas in. I could be wrong though, but I know for sure that many of the top people working on Windows now are the ones who worked on Office 2k7 which I really like alot.

I think they're pretty much working out Server 2k8 and SP1 for Vista and are busy with those 2. Later on when those are out we should start to see more Extras, that'd be my guess.

No, what i am saying is the Ultimate team has disbanded, this lot:- http://windowsultimate.com/Blogs/Default.aspx?GroupID=6

GP007 said,

There is a team, for windows, just not the same team. From the way I understand it, they often change most if not all of the Windows team after a big release, to get new ideas in. I could be wrong though, but I know for sure that many of the top people working on Windows now are the ones who worked on Office 2k7 which I really like alot.

I think they're pretty much working out Server 2k8 and SP1 for Vista and are busy with those 2. Later on when those are out we should start to see more Extras, that'd be my guess.

and then there lame reason for no extras after SP1 is. that all there time is spent on working on SP2 and the same thing after SP2 will be ow all our time is being spent on SP3..

ziadoz said,
Windows Vista only came out in January. Sure they haven't delivered instantly, but once the user base expands significantly I expect they will do.

The point is that it says to "check back regularly" and they have CLEARLY failed to deliver. No-one can regard nearly 4 months with no new content as "regularly" and there's not even an indication we'll receive anything within the next 4 months either. All they have to do is chuck out a few little apps/games, like Texas Hold 'Em, to keep people happy... it's pathetic that a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft can't even manage to do that for their flagship product.

Pathetic.

theyarecomingforyou said,

The point is that it says to "check back regularly" and they have CLEARLY failed to deliver. No-one can regard nearly 4 months with no new content as "regularly" and there's not even an indication we'll receive anything within the next 4 months either. All they have to do is chuck out a few little apps/games, like Texas Hold 'Em, to keep people happy... it's pathetic that a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft can't even manage to do that for their flagship product.

Pathetic.

Who cares? If people bought Windows Vista Ultimate just for the extras they're idiots.

Who cares? If people bought Windows Vista Ultimate just for the extras they're idiots.

That doesn't change anything about MS failure to deliver features though.

Microsoft used to allow its developers create small programs in their free time.
Some of these programs with wide appeal were released as powertoys. Looks like Microsoft no longer encourages development of such tools or no longer releases these gems to the general public.

The Ultimate Extras program might get a big boost if they encourage releasing this non-funded programs from its own developers.

Well you paid for Ultimate features like IIS 7, MCE, Bitlocker, Volume shadow copy, Aero, Movie Maker, DVD Maker, scheduled backup etc. Extras are just that 'Extras'.
The really question here is whether Ultimate Extras should be released one per month or a bunch together every six to eight months.

Express said,
Well you paid for Ultimate features like IIS 7, MCE, Bitlocker, Volume shadow copy, Aero, Movie Maker, DVD Maker, scheduled backup etc. Extras are just that 'Extras'.
The really question here is whether Ultimate Extras should be one per month or a bunch together every six to eight months.

Except you're wrong: the differences between home premium and ultimate both have aero, both have Windows Media Center, both have Windows DVD maker. So you paid for bitlocker, backup and remote desktop? Niiiice.

Express said,
The items I have listed are not available in at least one of the 5 different Vista Editions.
Remember Ultimate combines everything from all the different Vista Editions. So I am not wrong. :)

No you are wrong, the extra cost is for Extras, BitLocker and virtualization.

ClintEastman said,

No you are wrong, the extra cost is for Extras, BitLocker and virtualization.


Sorry Express is right. Ultimate is all the features of Home Premium and Enterprise (including Business) put together. Home Premium doesn't have some features that Enterprise (and Business) has (namely the IIS web server, fax support, Rights Management Services (RMS) Client, file system encryption, 2 physical processor support, system image backup and recovery, offline file support, a full version of Remote Desktop that supports incoming connections, ad-hoc P2P collaboration capabilities, Previous Versions (Windows ShadowCopy), several other business features, multilingual user interface support, BitLocker Drive Encryption, and UNIX application support).

So when you pay for Ultimate, you're getting a lot more than Home Premium. Extras is just that, an extra.

Express said,
Well you paid for Ultimate features like IIS 7, MCE, Bitlocker, Volume shadow copy, Aero, Movie Maker, DVD Maker, scheduled backup etc. Extras are just that 'Extras'.
The really question here is whether Ultimate Extras should be released one per month or a bunch together every six to eight months.

you can use DVD Maker on any ver of Vista. I have tested this out without any code hacking.

I just copied the Folder

"C:\Program Files\Movie Maker"
from Ult and then added it to all Versions of Vista and it works.

dl0711 said,

you can use DVD Maker on any ver of Vista. I have tested this out without any code hacking.

I just copied the Folder

"C:Program FilesMovie Maker"
from Ult and then added it to all Versions of Vista and it works.

Copying a feature from one version of Vista to another would be illegal my friend.

Express,

Internally at Microsoft, we still have utilities and so called powertoys. Unlike the past, most employees' creations don't get released to the public because of the increased security measures. Everything Microsoft releases now goes through a strict security check. And even though powertoys aren't officially supported by Microsoft, if there is any security risk on these utilities, it will put a dent on Microsoft's effort to improve security.

TCLN Ryster said,

Copying a feature from one version of Vista to another would be illegal my friend.

if its NOT in the EUA then its NOT illegal. and from what i can see it dont say that.

dl0711 said,
if its NOT in the EUA then its NOT illegal. and from what i can see it dont say that.
Apparently, you don't know how to read and understand an EULA agreement.

From this PDF of Microsoft's EULA, right from Microsoft's site

8. SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. his agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you may use the software only as expressly permitted in this agreement. In doing so, you must comply with any technical limitations in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways.
So, you see, unless it is expressly allowed as rights in the EULA, Microsoft reserves all other rights (unless local country laws have specific exclusions).

And since when copying a software from one computer to another without the appropriate license is considered legal?

I have to agree to what's been said. Although I'd enjoy more extras, Ultimate was never only about "you'll get more later", it already comes bundled with everything. As for the powertoys, the security reason is unfortunate but very understandable.