Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

Microsoft Corp.'s biggest worry over Windows Vista shouldn't be rival operating systems from Apple Inc. or Red Hat Inc., but remains competition from its own Windows XP, an analyst said Wednesday. "The big story isn't that 32% of the companies we surveyed said that they would start Vista deployments by the end of next year," said Benjamin Gray, an analyst at Forrester Research Inc. "It's that companies have been hugely successful in standardizing on Windows XP."

According to a survey of nearly 600 U.S. and European companies that have more than 1,000 employees, 84% of all their PCs now run Windows XP, up from 67% the year before. While XP may have peaked, Gray warned not to bet against the 6-year-old operating system. "There are plenty of companies looking forward to XP SP3," he said. That next hot-fix and patch rollup is to ship sometime in the first quarter of 2008, Microsoft has said, and it will reportedly be XP's last service pack.

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I don't know where these people find their writers but it would be nice if they hired people who actually have something intelligent to say to write articles about technology.

Vista's problem has nothing to do with XP itself and everything to do with the fact that it doesn't offer enough advantages to make the upgrade worthwhile.

Xp offers all the security, stability, and usability you could want. Vista's few security enhancements and eye candy do not warrant the cost of the headache and hassle of upgrading.

Windows 7 will hopefully be a leaner, meaner XP... or a complete re-write. Either way it has to offer enough advantages that XP doesn't and it has to make the upgrade easy.

There. Was that so hard?

not that xp hasnt become reasonalby solid, but how good it may be has little to do with why ppl stick to it.

over 6 years companies have gotten to know the code, as such they can code good apps that really squeeze the OS.
as hardware has gotten more powerful, this has only made it better for app developers.

the big problem with MS, is that each new OS they release requires a new comp. I dont believe I should need a new comp to run my OS, but the new applications on it.

Microsoft will just add some code into XP-SP3 that will make XP REAL slow and will crash alot just so Computer users & companies will make the move over to Vista.

Oh i can see this. as microsoft really wants Vista to be Number 1..

dl0711 said,
Microsoft will just add some code into XP-SP3 that will make XP REAL slow and will crash alot

They'd never get away with that. People just wouldn't download it. It's already pretty much nothing new except all the patches collected together.

Maybe MS will surprise everyone and include DX10 with it. 8)

toadeater said,

They'd never get away with that. People just wouldn't download it. It's already pretty much nothing new except all the patches collected together.

Maybe MS will surprise everyone and include DX10 with it. 8)


Before or after including Aero and Media Center?

I think that they are slowing down XP bit by bit all the way since the introduction of SP2, after they've realized how slow their next OS will be.

I think that they are slowing down XP bit by bit all the way since the introduction of SP2

Can't say I have ever noticed 'speed issues' since installing SP2, including both home and work machines...

I really am flabbergasted I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone where Vista runs amazingly well on every machine I touch that is running it yet everyone else it seems is having problems and turn on it like a rabid dog. Even on the low end sub $800 machines here at work, it runs just fine and the two I have at home. I can't understand how so many people are complaining but oh well sucks for the those who can't experience how much better Vista is over XP, both under the hood and above.

We actually have a vista machine right next to an xp one and it feels like going back in time everytime I have to use it. Just like people clinged to 98 when XP came out, all I hear are the same vague arguments or specific driver problems.

I only recently installed Vista and it runs very much the same as XP did. Fast and stable. Ok, it does have some bugs and some really bone headed design choices like the overzealous UAC prompting and the All programs menus showing inside the start menu box rather than opening on the screen like in previous Windows versions. But overall, after some tweaking it works well and the search makes the start menu less relevant.

LaXu said,
I only recently installed Vista and it runs very much the same as XP did. Fast and stable. Ok, it does have some bugs and some really bone headed design choices like the overzealous UAC prompting and the All programs menus showing inside the start menu box rather than opening on the screen like in previous Windows versions. But overall, after some tweaking it works well and the search makes the start menu less relevant.

Funny, I rather like the new start menu. Saves me the effort of either being anal-retentive and organizing it myself, or having a menu fold out 3-times and cover my screen.

Google OS FTW! :P

I approached Vista the same way I would buying a car. I took it for a test drive, didn't like it, and moved on.

It's not that vista sucks, it's that it's different. Almost 100% of our computers at work run XP. I work for a pretty big company(~5000 employees) and when you consider that a lot of our custom software would have to be changed to run on vista along with changing out a lot of hardware to run efficiently it comes down to a pretty big deal. You can maybe see why we aren't so eager to change it out right away.

Helped a friend remove it from a Dell computer. He went from Vista fanboy to Vista hater somehow. Maybe the service pack will convince him to revert when it gets here, but it's probably all the peripheral manufacturer's bad driver programming that needs to be cleared up.

Otherwise, I really don't know or care at the moment if Vista is the bee's knees or not. The economy's not good enough at the moment for me to justify spending the money on a new computer system just so I can run it, maybe in a year or two, I'll be ready.

Been using Vista for a few months, it's nothing close to being as good as XP. Hell my laptop has better hardware than my desktop, Vista on my laptop, my desktop with Linux runs better than Vista.


So yes Vista sucks

z0phi3l said,
Been using Vista for a few months, it's nothing close to being as good as XP. Hell my laptop has better hardware than my desktop, Vista on my laptop, my desktop with Linux runs better than Vista.


So yes Vista sucks


OF course. You are comparing light operating systems with the fancy Vista thing.

Amen to that mel00.

XP has been the cream of all OS's till date. XP has delivered its performance far better than anyother OS till date.
Not to be exaggerating but XP is the best OS till date. I wonder in how many different ways can i say that over and over again. And yes I have tried Vista, and YES my specs are pretty decent for running Vista. Microsoft's last desperate attempt is to stop the life cycle of XP to push forward Vista's sales, but they are soon waking up to realize its not going to be easy to do that. XP was a revolution, Vista just seems to be add-on pack to it. Makes it all shiny. XP can do everything Vista can but only faster and better. I till date use XP, and know a 100 other people who have used Vista and again gone back to XP.

This has got to be a bit embarrassing for both Apple and the various Linux distros. I think Microsoft has learned to not deviate from formulation (which they haven't done since Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0). I think Vista looks a bit too much like a foreign operating system (menus, animations) for most people to consider it Windows (I am an exception).

is this actually news to anyone.

And YES I installed VIsta on my VMware (runs like a dog) i also installe dit on my test machine (runs ok) but it annoys thecrap out of me. so i have used it for more than 1 day

everyone know vista sucks
everyone knows xp still wins
everyone knows that mac and linux are not viable alternatives

GET OVER IT

X'tyfe said,
everyone knows that mac and linux are not viable alternatives

Really? I don't have a problem at all using my iBook all day at school and work, and a system running Ubuntu for home/gaming usage.
Only Windows user in the house is my mother, on her laptop (Vista), and she keeps whining that her computer crashing and going slow, and that she never sees my systems do that.
Can't convince her to let me slap Ubuntu on there though *grins*

It's kind of weird to see that Microsoft did something so right with XP that it's now coming back to bite the company in the ass.

bangbang023 said,
It's kind of weird to see that Microsoft did something so right with XP that it's now coming back to bite byte the company in the ass.

FTFY

bangbang023 said,
It's kind of weird to see that Microsoft did something so right with XP that it's now coming back to bite the company in the ass.

It's not that XP is better than Vista, it's that Vista is still full of bugs, and the hardware requirements aren't something most people feel is worth the reduced performance caused by Vista's bloat. At least RAM prices have dropped to the point where everyone should be able to afford the 2GB to run Vista adequately -- but then there's still the bugs. So it's back to XP, because after five years of patching it's now predictable. I don't believe that predictable equates with good.

toadeater said,

It's not that XP is better than Vista, it's that Vista is still full of bugs, and the hardware requirements aren't something most people feel is worth the reduced performance caused by Vista's bloat. At least RAM prices have dropped to the point where everyone should be able to afford the 2GB to run Vista adequately -- but then there's still the bugs. So it's back to XP, because after five years of patching it's now predictable. I don't believe that predictable equates with good.

You say that for US. Check RAM's prices here in Brazil.
What I find most interesting is that we import that kind of thing, now:
When the price is high in US, the price is 5x higher in Brazil
When the price is low in US, the price is 10x higher in Brazil...

Just like gas... when the dollar was R$3,00, the gas prices was reaching heaven.
Now that the dollar is R$1,60, the gas prices are still reaching heaven.

In summarize, I get screwd when I see all that thing "your old 512mb pc" when I still use one, and for that reason Vista is not eligible for most people here in Brazil. There are, of course, some people that stop eating and drinking to buy new RAM :cheeky: Those are early adapters.

Cidinho said,

You say that for US. Check RAM's prices here in Brazil.
What I find most interesting is that we import that kind of thing, now:
When the price is high in US, the price is 5x higher in Brazil
When the price is low in US, the price is 10x higher in Brazil...

Just like gas... when the dollar was R$3,00, the gas prices was reaching heaven.
Now that the dollar is R$1,60, the gas prices are still reaching heaven.

In summarize, I get screwd when I see all that thing "your old 512mb pc" when I still use one, and for that reason Vista is not eligible for most people here in Brazil. There are, of course, some people that stop eating and drinking to buy new RAM :cheeky: Those are early adapters.

I'd totally fly you out of Brazil if I had the money. :P

Vista sucks on one level. Hardware compatibility. Other than that, no real issue's. Been using it since May. And it's system repair option is light years better than XP. Now that I got that out. Which Vista are you using.

Stay away from Home Basic. Home Premium is probably okay, I use Vista Business on the laptop.

Only constant problem I ever had with it was Opers 9.1 or so doesn't run in Vista very well. Beta 9.5 no problems at all. Even the constant hard drive use I can tolerate for now.

I'm always looking forward and this isn't Windows ME. With ME I had to reinstall every 2 months. That was a worthles pile of dog crap.