Watch a Galaxy Nexus get 'smoked by Windows Phone'

 

We posted up earlier today that Microsoft, specifically BenThePCGuy, made a challenge that Windows Phone was faster than your device. We caught up with Ben and were able to watch him battle it out with Windows Phone.

In the video, Ben is able to best the competition in a speed race to post a message to Facebook. Now we are well aware that this type of competition is not a true comparison of the two platforms as they both have their shortcomings and if one individual is not as familiar with their device, they could take longer. It does portray that Windows Phone can easily compete head to head with the competing platforms.

But, as Ben later tweeted, out of 13 battles, Windows Phone won 12 of the match-ups. Want to see the challenge in action? Take a look at the video below.

 

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OK, I don't use twitter or ANY social site

Windows Phone -1

This test was slanted (of course) at what WP7 does.. but what DOESN'T it do?

Let's take a look shall we.

iOS and WP7 can you do.. widgets on the home screeen? NO!

+1 droid

iOS and WP7 can you do.. live tiles WITH updates so opening the app is NOT necessary? NO!

+1 droid; WP7 +.25 (live tiles, notifications, but no REAL content)

iOS and WP7 can you do.. LTE? NO!

+1 droid: WP7 / iOS coming soon but not here YET!

iOS and WP7 can you do.. custom app (reorder by alphabet OR any order by use preference)? NO!

+1 droid

I can do this ALL day long.. my point is, I can come with a thousand things neither of these phones can do, I am sure there are things the iOS can do that droid cannot (we know about those already), but this so called "challenge" is nothing more than an idealistic slant at what WP7 is capable of to make it APPEAR as though it's better, it's certainly NOT, which is why I dumped iPhone 3G AND WP7, they both suck in terms of custom features, making the phone operate the way *I* want without interference from the vendor and trying to control everything I do. Hell when WP7 was initially released I had no way to connect to a hidden WiFi (WTF!!!), lets talk about decisions like that, and no way to add functionality.. it finally arrived 10 months later.. yeah, too late!

WP7 has an app list.. can any of those be hidden? What about iOS.. you can use folders with iOS, not with WP7, I can modify my notification bar ANY way I want.. even turn off AT&T logo if I want.. change the look and appearance of the battery icon.. THESE are real world examples of usability not some stupid built in application that lets me send a message the social networks at once (seriously, does any REALLY care about this crap?).

Fireup a game, or a benchmark test and lets compare specs.. those things don't matter eh, well the next time you want to play Duke Nukem or Majesty on your iOS or WP7... oh wait you can't.... oooh.. ok pick a game ANY game that is across platforms and lets do a side by side.. Droid will beat your phone every time, graphics quality and game play.

Stick that in your sim card and send it! Specs DO matter, that's why most of the apps on droid LOAD faster and ARE better than comparative tests on other phones, so don't give me this ignorant song and dance about how specs don't make the phone, that is complete and utter BS!

rijp said,
OK, I don't use twitter or ANY social site

Windows Phone -1

This test was slanted (of course) at what WP7 does.. but what DOESN'T it do?

Let's take a look shall we.

iOS and WP7 can you do.. widgets on the home screeen? NO!

+1 droid

iOS and WP7 can you do.. live tiles WITH updates so opening the app is NOT necessary? NO!

+1 droid; WP7 +.25 (live tiles, notifications, but no REAL content)

iOS and WP7 can you do.. LTE? NO!

+1 droid: WP7 / iOS coming soon but not here YET!

iOS and WP7 can you do.. custom app (reorder by alphabet OR any order by use preference)? NO!

+1 droid

I can do this ALL day long.. my point is, I can come with a thousand things neither of these phones can do, I am sure there are things the iOS can do that droid cannot (we know about those already), but this so called "challenge" is nothing more than an idealistic slant at what WP7 is capable of to make it APPEAR as though it's better, it's certainly NOT, which is why I dumped iPhone 3G AND WP7, they both suck in terms of custom features, making the phone operate the way *I* want without interference from the vendor and trying to control everything I do. Hell when WP7 was initially released I had no way to connect to a hidden WiFi (WTF!!!), lets talk about decisions like that, and no way to add functionality.. it finally arrived 10 months later.. yeah, too late!

WP7 has an app list.. can any of those be hidden? What about iOS.. you can use folders with iOS, not with WP7, I can modify my notification bar ANY way I want.. even turn off AT&T logo if I want.. change the look and appearance of the battery icon.. THESE are real world examples of usability not some stupid built in application that lets me send a message the social networks at once (seriously, does any REALLY care about this crap?).

Fireup a game, or a benchmark test and lets compare specs.. those things don't matter eh, well the next time you want to play Duke Nukem or Majesty on your iOS or WP7... oh wait you can't.... oooh.. ok pick a game ANY game that is across platforms and lets do a side by side.. Droid will beat your phone every time, graphics quality and game play.

Stick that in your sim card and send it! Specs DO matter, that's why most of the apps on droid LOAD faster and ARE better than comparative tests on other phones, so don't give me this ignorant song and dance about how specs don't make the phone, that is complete and utter BS!

Seems to me like your the ignorant one, spouting total and utter Fandroid BS.

What's the matter, butthurt that your beloved Galaxy Nexus got smoked by Windows Phone not once but twice?

Next time I want a slow, unoptimised, lag filled Quad Core experience I'll choose Android. Until then I'll stick with my smooth as butter single core WP experience!!!

Smoked by Windows phone. Now there is an advertising campaign!! Forget all that background music tiles rubbish. This is why we have smart phones, to be able to do things easily and quickly. I don't car how many gigawatts of nerilium exists in the thing. Nokia, MS pay attention. Show adverts with real use cases.

I find this comparison utterly ridiculous. How about finding what gets smoked for the following tasks I do:

I am planning a dinner at a restaurant and I find a good restaurant online. I go to its website and copy and paste its name, go to my Gmail Contacts, create a new contact, paste, copy phone number, and paste. I do the same for its address. Save. Seconds later it appears in my Android phone. I call the restaurant.

Try that in Windows Phone?

McoreD said,
I find this comparison utterly ridiculous. How about finding what gets smoked for the following tasks I do:

I am planning a dinner at a restaurant and I find a good restaurant online. I go to its website and copy and paste its name, go to my Gmail Contacts, create a new contact, paste, copy phone number, and paste. I do the same for its address. Save. Seconds later it appears in my Android phone. I call the restaurant.

Try that in Windows Phone?

You can do that on ANY phone! That is a tiresome way of doing it. Just click the number and it dials. You can save any dialled numbers to a contact on windows phone and I expect any other phone.

McoreD said,
I find this comparison utterly ridiculous. How about finding what gets smoked for the following tasks I do:

I am planning a dinner at a restaurant and I find a good restaurant online. I go to its website and copy and paste its name, go to my Gmail Contacts, create a new contact, paste, copy phone number, and paste. I do the same for its address. Save. Seconds later it appears in my Android phone. I call the restaurant.

Try that in Windows Phone?

As as147 said, what a tiresome way of doing it.

On my HD7 I just tap search, tap local scout, find the restaurant I want and tap it and tap the phone number. Or even better, swipe twice to get to the applications and tap Opentable to make a booking.

I can even tap directions to launch Maps and get driving or walking directions.

as147 said,

You can do that on ANY phone! That is a tiresome way of doing it. Just click the number and it dials. You can save any dialled numbers to a contact on windows phone and I expect any other phone.

At first I would agree he made a stupid comment, but he is right do that same "tired" task on WP7 it's not nearly as easy, so I see his point... it took me a minute.

as147 said,

You can do that on ANY phone! That is a tiresome way of doing it. Just click the number and it dials. You can save any dialled numbers to a contact on windows phone and I expect any other phone.

At first I would agree he made a stupid comment, but he is right do that same "tired" task on WP7 it's not nearly as easy, so I see his point... it took me a minute.

rijp said,

At first I would agree he made a stupid comment, but he is right do that same "tired" task on WP7 it's not nearly as easy, so I see his point... it took me a minute.

You've obviously not used a Windows Phone if you think that the way McoreD does that task is quicker, read my post above yours to see how easy it is on WP7.

MS made a mistake with WP7 right out of the gate. They did the whole "do something on your phone and put it away and get on with life". People are constantly looking down on their phone. Refreshing FB or Twitter. Thats how it is. Im a 1st gen WP7 owner but not a big Social Network person, so once the newness of the phone wore off I was left staring at the marketplace and saying where's all the apps? Thats what MS is lacking.Sure the OS is optimized and fast.

But Im backon my iPhone 4 now because I can load the app store and get anything I want or need. Flick based soccer and baseball games, official apps from my school or favorite sports team. not 3rd party knockoffs. No one from MS can have a "app" store challenge with iOS or Android. For the people who will say well its only a year old, well I'll say this. Microsoft should have had or even payed for these app developers to port these games with the WP7 launch.

People want to be glued to their phone. They cant do that if they cant find the apps they want. Something that I think MS still hasnt figured out yet. The Nokia 900 hits the US in a couple of months, I really hope in that time the quality of apps in the marketplace is there so I can replace my 1st gen HTC,

downhillrider said,
MS made a mistake with WP7 right out of the gate. They did the whole "do something on your phone and put it away and get on with life". People are constantly looking down on their phone. Refreshing FB or Twitter. Thats how it is. Im a 1st gen WP7 owner but not a big Social Network person, so once the newness of the phone wore off I was left staring at the marketplace and saying where's all the apps? Thats what MS is lacking.Sure the OS is optimized and fast.

But Im backon my iPhone 4 now because I can load the app store and get anything I want or need. Flick based soccer and baseball games, official apps from my school or favorite sports team. not 3rd party knockoffs. No one from MS can have a "app" store challenge with iOS or Android. For the people who will say well its only a year old, well I'll say this. Microsoft should have had or even payed for these app developers to port these games with the WP7 launch.

People want to be glued to their phone. They cant do that if they cant find the apps they want. Something that I think MS still hasnt figured out yet. The Nokia 900 hits the US in a couple of months, I really hope in that time the quality of apps in the marketplace is there so I can replace my 1st gen HTC,

Let's see they went from 2000 to 50000 apps in 12 months. That companies like Netflix refuse to bring their WP7 app up to par with their iOS/Android versions is not Microsoft's fault. Is Microsoft supposed to fund all 3rd party app development?

KingCrimson said,

Let's see they went from 2000 to 50000 apps in 12 months. That companies like Netflix refuse to bring their WP7 app up to par with their iOS/Android versions is not Microsoft's fault. Is Microsoft supposed to fund all 3rd party app development?

Umm.. what's wrong with Netflix.. other than who would WANT to watch a movie on such a small device.. 4.5" screen just doesn't cut it, sorry.

WP7 may have it's defects and flaws.. but Netflix app is NOT one of them, Netflix on WP7 works every bit as good as other platforms.. so I have NO idea what you are talking about.. I don't think you do either.

And it's 40,000 apps not 50,000 if you are going to make stuff up at least TRY to be in the ballpark.

No audio at work: What did he do?

Seems like 3 touches on his WP7. I can problably do it in 2 on my Android.

htcz said,
No audio at work: What did he do?

Seems like 3 touches on his WP7. I can problably do it in 2 on my Android.

It's done in 2 touches - one to click on the Me Tile, one to click on "post a message". I see your point though, no idea where the third touch came from if he did actually make one.

EDIT: might be where he had to unlock screen first? possible.

WP7 can post to social networking sites faster OOTB - great, bully for Microsoft!
As a social recluse that really is of no interest to me, how do they compare with tasks like getting a GPS lock from cold, camera image processing time, time to enable bluetooth and share a file (image, music)?

Having parted company from Nokia and Symbian over christmas (with a very, very heavy heart) I moved to Android - I desperately wanted a Nokia WP7 but price and amount of WP7 apps put me off.

Andoid is OK - but no real substitute for Symbian, and WP7 seems even less of an appealing alternative ATM.

20legend said,
WP7 can post to social networking sites faster OOTB - great, bully for Microsoft!
As a social recluse that really is of no interest to me, how do they compare with tasks like getting a GPS lock from cold, camera image processing time, time to enable bluetooth and share a file (image, music)?

Having parted company from Nokia and Symbian over christmas (with a very, very heavy heart) I moved to Android - I desperately wanted a Nokia WP7 but price and amount of WP7 apps put me off.

Andoid is OK - but no real substitute for Symbian, and WP7 seems even less of an appealing alternative ATM.

As a WP7 user I'd love to see this too. I'm not sure which one would come up best - although my only conern would be that with things like camera image processing time, surely this would be somewhat reliant on the hardware rather then the software?

But nevertheless, I'd be up for seeing this happen.

20legend said,

how do they compare with tasks like getting a GPS lock from cold, camera image processing time, time to enable bluetooth and share a file (image, music)?

just fine thanks, very snappy

20legend said,
WP7 can post to social networking sites faster OOTB - great, bully for Microsoft!
As a social recluse that really is of no interest to me, how do they compare with tasks like getting a GPS lock from cold, camera image processing time, time to enable bluetooth and share a file (image, music)?

Having parted company from Nokia and Symbian over christmas (with a very, very heavy heart) I moved to Android - I desperately wanted a Nokia WP7 but price and amount of WP7 apps put me off.

Andoid is OK - but no real substitute for Symbian, and WP7 seems even less of an appealing alternative ATM.

No real substitute for Symbian.. That is so stupid and ignorant I can't even finish my comment.. that's just really blind.. is your head stuck so far up your glutious maximus that you REALLY believe Symbian is still better? you are not only deaf and dumb, but you are completely insane.

Being a relatively new android user, I noticed that while the default way to do things is dull and the UI is also completely unimpressive, the way everything is customizable with your imagination being the limit is what I really like about it.

A simple example would be an application called llama (for android users: it's a tasker free alternative), this application takes performing tasks beyond fast as it automates them, such as turning the phone silent when I approach my university or turn the ringer on when I'm home (it uses cell phone masts ids so it doesn't drain battery as you think it will).

I would love a mobile operating system that offers both: ability for full modification of phone (or at least to a certain extent that is not beyond breaking your phone) with no restrictions on what apps can do as long as I approve it and having a pleasant and quick to use UI.

LOL i have a widget i can post with one click. This is not a real challenge. Least load a game and see who wins ?

tuneslover said,
i know. Windows phones are the best but it still has apps lacking.

What apps are missing that you use regularly?

tuneslover said,

'Hotspot Shield' for using Pandora & Hulu from outside of USA.

A good speed test app for one, how about alternative email (outlook on WP7 is OK, but I want variety), how about an app like klies that lets me upload files to WP7 over a web page, an alternate launcher, dock bar.. you want me to go on?

you REALLY don't want to challenge me on app content and usefulness of WP7.. so you might want to quit now or suffer humiliating loss..

android buyers are like the people who like to buy clunkers (cars that are not very... good)
just to fix it up... you see, that's why android is so special ... You get to spend all your time perfecting it, but eventually you realize hey! i could actually buy a different car that has all the features Nicely built in - you see...
Thats androids problem.. .yeah you can "upgrade" the phone to what you want it to be like, but it will never be the same as a phone that has all the features already baked into it.

Good day, sir

auziez said,
android buyers are like the people who like to buy clunkers (cars that are not very... good)
just to fix it up... you see, that's why android is so special ... You get to spend all your time perfecting it, but eventually you realize hey! i could actually buy a different car that has all the features Nicely built in - you see...
Thats androids problem.. .yeah you can "upgrade" the phone to what you want it to be like, but it will never be the same as a phone that has all the features already baked into it.

Good day, sir

Um.. is this guy for real? so you buy a car and you NEVER customize it? You don't add decals or bumper stickers, you don't add a better stereo, add some seat covers, maybe hang a cross on the rear view or put some toys in it or add some incense.. you just drive it and that's it.. you don't use synthetic oil instead of regular oil, maybe add a better air filter, everything in your car is stock is that correct?

You are one of those people that believes the world is still flat aren't you? Are you a complete neolithic cave man or is this just show and tell?

I especially like how you try to educate us by clarifying what "clunkers" means.. but yet your use of run on's and lack of proper case and punctuation suggest you are a HS drop out (HS= high school).. you need the education lesson not us, buddy boy.

I really dont understand whats the big deal...
WP7 smokes em all!!!
i have a 1st gen phone. It may be slower is stupid badly written 3rd party apps. But each update to an app makes it better. The app store will get better by a year or so. Actually it will surpass other platforms i think.
But yes.... we really dont need dualcore WPhones right now.

people forget what a phone is for. Its for connecting to other people. And thats why WP7 wins. I use facebook chat + messenger chat alot since i got my WP7. Everybody keeps asking me... dude how come you reply so fast? ur like always online and stuff.... Its not that its not possible with other phones. Its just that it is so so easy with WP7 that it never irritates me as i have to open no 3rd party app.. i get my texts -fbchat and messenger chat at the same place. under the same screen in the same threaded view! Its easy. Its pretty. The on screen keyboard is brilliant!!! beats the iphone 4 keyboard... i find it much much better!.

Zain Adeel said,
I really dont understand whats the big deal...
WP7 smokes em all!!!
i have a 1st gen phone. It may be slower is stupid badly written 3rd party apps. But each update to an app makes it better. The app store will get better by a year or so. Actually it will surpass other platforms i think.
But yes.... we really dont need dualcore WPhones right now.

people forget what a phone is for. Its for connecting to other people. And thats why WP7 wins. I use facebook chat + messenger chat alot since i got my WP7. Everybody keeps asking me... dude how come you reply so fast? ur like always online and stuff.... Its not that its not possible with other phones. Its just that it is so so easy with WP7 that it never irritates me as i have to open no 3rd party app.. i get my texts -fbchat and messenger chat at the same place. under the same screen in the same threaded view! Its easy. Its pretty. The on screen keyboard is brilliant!!! beats the iphone 4 keyboard... i find it much much better!.

Agreed

Zain Adeel said,
I really dont understand whats the big deal...
WP7 smokes em all!!!
i have a 1st gen phone. It may be slower is stupid badly written 3rd party apps. But each update to an app makes it better. The app store will get better by a year or so. Actually it will surpass other platforms i think.
But yes.... we really dont need dualcore WPhones right now.

people forget what a phone is for. Its for connecting to other people. And thats why WP7 wins. I use facebook chat + messenger chat alot since i got my WP7. Everybody keeps asking me... dude how come you reply so fast? ur like always online and stuff.... Its not that its not possible with other phones. Its just that it is so so easy with WP7 that it never irritates me as i have to open no 3rd party app.. i get my texts -fbchat and messenger chat at the same place. under the same screen in the same threaded view! Its easy. Its pretty. The on screen keyboard is brilliant!!! beats the iphone 4 keyboard... i find it much much better!.

OK you like WP7, we got it. Good for you. It doesn't "smoke" competition just because it has an app (pre-installed) to send messages to your gang.. I mean friends at once. Droid can do more things, the difference is customize to user preference.. you can't even change the look of the app (move apps around) it's one long continuous list.. that's not usable AT ALL, deny it all you want, but there are elements of Droid that built on features lacking from other phones, and it IS better because it's OPEN source and users see what is lacking and make it better.

That's the nature of USER preference. Out of the box, there are more ways to make Droid unique than other phones, THAT is a fact.

rijp said,

OK you like WP7, we got it. Good for you. It doesn't "smoke" competition just because it has an app (pre-installed) to send messages to your gang.. I mean friends at once. Droid can do more things, the difference is customize to user preference.. you can't even change the look of the app (move apps around) it's one long continuous list.. that's not usable AT ALL, deny it all you want, but there are elements of Droid that built on features lacking from other phones, and it IS better because it's OPEN source and users see what is lacking and make it better.

That's the nature of USER preference. Out of the box, there are more ways to make Droid unique than other phones, THAT is a fact.

FFS, another butthurt Fandroid!!!

yowanvista said,
WP was built for speed and eye candy, Android may be slower but offers much more functionality and less limitations.

BS about Android having less limitations and more functionality

Thats great for people whose main use of 'smartphone' is social networking. I don't care for any of those. Add the missing connectivity and multimedia features and I'll be interested. I want the device to do more things locally than depending on the cloud or being online all the time as data is not cheap. For me to jump from my current preferred OS to WP it should first be able to do everything that my current preferred OS does or it should have something that blows my mind and make me sacrifice the things I'm currently able to do.

liju said,
Thats great for people whose main use of 'smartphone' is social networking. I don't care for any of those. Add the missing connectivity and multimedia features and I'll be interested. I want the device to do more things locally than depending on the cloud or being online all the time as data is not cheap. For me to jump from my current preferred OS to WP it should first be able to do everything that my current preferred OS does or it should have something that blows my mind and make me sacrifice the things I'm currently able to do.

and what is that you currently do with ur device? we wana know what WP cant do.

liju said,
Thats great for people whose main use of 'smartphone' is social networking. I don't care for any of those. Add the missing connectivity and multimedia features and I'll be interested. I want the device to do more things locally than depending on the cloud or being online all the time as data is not cheap. For me to jump from my current preferred OS to WP it should first be able to do everything that my current preferred OS does or it should have something that blows my mind and make me sacrifice the things I'm currently able to do.

I'm curious what things you're talking about. I'm aware WP is limited in a couple of aspects - although I don't get what you mean about the reliance on the cloud. I use my phone all the time and I don't really use the cloud features all that much, unless you define things like Facebook photo albums and what not as cloud features, which they technically are - although that's a feature on most smartphones.

KingCrimson said,
I can see this article has attracted a lot of angry Android users.

That's because the author is iPhone Fanboi. Change the title to "iPhone S smoked by WP" and you will see a lot of angry iPhone users.

KingCrimson said,
I can see this article has attracted a lot of angry Android users.

With a site name like Neowin, I can see why it is heavily biased towards Windows Phone.

KingCrimson said,
I can see this article has attracted a lot of angry Android users.

I see this little gimmick made all the Windows Phone fools happy about themselves.

UndergroundWire said,

I see this little gimmick made all the Windows Phone fools happy about themselves.

Actually most of us were like "no ****, sherlock". What made us laugh was all of the Android and iPhone users getting mass panties in a bunch

The Teej said,

Actually most of us were like "no ****, sherlock". What made us laugh was all of the Android and iPhone users getting mass panties in a bunch

Funny I'm laughing because I see a guy posting to Facebook quicker. And the Windows Phone fanboys are happy about this. Seriously? Is this how you are going to market the phone? Microsoft marketing at it's best.

m-p{3} said,

With a site name like Neowin, I can see why it is heavily biased towards Windows Phone.

I'd say actually more people - sorry trolls- (sadly) still defend Android & Iphones to the hilt on Neowin even though WP7 is better.

"Watch an android phone smoke the sales of a Windows Phone"
Sorry felt like saying that, but no really Windows Phones are much better then most people may think.

I'd like to see a text message creation speed comparison for a WP7 device to an Android device, such as a SGS 2 which has Swype included OOTB. Hopefully compose a text reading "My phone just got smoked by Android".

ManMountain said,
I'd like to see a text message creation speed comparison for a WP7 device to an Android device, such as a SGS 2 which has Swype included OOTB. Hopefully compose a text reading "My phone just got smoked by Android".

That would be an interesting test, although I still think the Windows Phone will win, by a nose. Swipe is great, and I loved it on my last Anroid phone. However, I've found that the text prediction and self-correction in Windows Phone is so good that I'm certain I am much faster now.

Paul Brambilla said,

That would be an interesting test, although I still think the Windows Phone will win, by a nose. Swipe is great, and I loved it on my last Anroid phone. However, I've found that the text prediction and self-correction in Windows Phone is so good that I'm certain I am much faster now.

I used swipe on my last android phone. it is not as good as the WP7 keyboard.

To be fair, he did say that "he cheated" because of those tiles, in otherwords, the one loss he got would be either from a WinMo7 or a smart android person who has all his social widgets on a single home page.

Not bashing either one, that dude smoked 12 devices because he knew how to do so, the only out of the box android phone I know that can do something as similar is Xperia devices, their timescape has all social network plug-ins out of the box (correct me if I'm wrong, I only use X10 before I moved to Galaxy Nexus)

Everyone's all crying like a bitch trying to make excuses about how their phone is better then Windows Phone. Having your hardware 2 generations ahead doesn't mean **** if your OS is two generations behind.

The Teej said,
Everyone's all crying like a bitch trying to make excuses about how their phone is better then Windows Phone. Having your hardware 2 generations ahead doesn't mean **** if your OS is two generations behind.

Totally agree... a lot of android fanboys cannot just stop hehehehe

The Teej said,
Everyone's all crying like a bitch trying to make excuses about how their phone is better then Windows Phone. Having your hardware 2 generations ahead doesn't mean **** if your OS is two generations behind.

How much can you customise WP? Yeah I thought not. Android is light years ahead in being able to tailor the experience to each person. WP will never be able to do that because it's a locked down, limited platform, in which, you do it Microsoft's way or the highway. To me, that's an OS generations behind Android.

Joey S said,

How much can you customise WP? Yeah I thought not. Android is light years ahead in being able to tailor the experience to each person. WP will never be able to do that because it's a locked down, limited platform, in which, you do it Microsoft's way or the highway. To me, that's an OS generations behind Android.

I owned an HTC Desire for 18 months, so please don't try and belittle me as having no knowledge outside of Windows Phone.

Yes, Android has customisation. Whoop-de-****ing-do. Do you know where customisation lead me? Being utterly frustrated because the customisation was enough to make my homescreens look pretty, but not good enough to shove some decent widgets in there to handle my contacts and social networks, and when trying my absolute best to try create an easy to use, super quick way of managing said contacts/networks, it ended up falling flat because I still had to manipulate multiple apps, all for different things, which all looked different to each other. Thanks to customisation (among other things that's wrong with Android), I got inconsistency, lag, and a bunch of work arounds to productivity levels which are barely half of what I can achieve with Windows Phone. no lag, no fuss, 100% consistency and productivity.

Have fun installing Go Launcher EX and trying to squeeze out that extra bit of performance, or trawling the Marketplace looking for that best widget to help you get a better integrated experience, while us WP7 users are just getting on with what a smartphone is actually supposed to do without any fuss at all.

Yes, you are semi "locked down" (to use such a bull**** FUD term - it's hardly like your android purchases mean **** outside of an android device) to what Microsoft wants, however, I'd rather take a "locked down" experience that's fun and easy to use, then a "we don't know what experience we want, we'll let everyone else figure it out" UX approach and tart it up by calling it "heavily customisable"

The Teej said,
Everyone's all crying like a bitch trying to make excuses about how their phone is better then Windows Phone. Having your hardware 2 generations ahead doesn't mean **** if your OS is two generations behind.

Thats what i have been saying. A lot of butt hurt people here lol!

I love my Omnia 7 & looking back a year ago I was an Android user and unsure of how good WP7 is.

I now know it is f* awesome

This is what I like about the Windows Phone OS. Has basically everything you need to stay in touch with people on the spot. No needing to find apps, download apps, input information for said apps, load apps, stop app to go to another app, (repeat step for as many social networks you check), and then done.

I have used iOS and Android before, was very happy with iOS. Thought WP7 would be another fail, but it certainly is not. It could be better, as anything can, but certainly a competitor, if it would just gain attention.

I remember those videos about Vista being way faster than anything else. When it comes to performance I don't believe any single word from Microsoft.

lexp said,
I remember those videos about Vista being way faster than anything else. When it comes to performance I don't believe any single word from Microsoft.

These are live demos. On retail phones. What else do you want?

lexp said,
I remember those videos about Vista being way faster than anything else. When it comes to performance I don't believe any single word from Microsoft.

What planet are you on?

Speed? Yeah right, let's see some actual benchmarks, not subjective, I can type/send a message faster than you rubbish. lol. The Galaxy Nexus hardware = 3 x better than any windows phone on the market.

This reminds me of the "glance and go" failed catchphrase. People want a smooth, fast running multitasking OS. They don't care about having to use 1/2 less pushes, or having more shortcuts. No doubt you can probably configure some app to do the same thing in Android anyway.

Besides, I prefer my live wallpapers to the tetris look

Joey S said,
Speed? Yeah right, let's see some actual benchmarks, not subjective, I can type/send a message faster than you rubbish. lol. The Galaxy Nexus hardware = 3 x better than any windows phone on the market.

Hardware doesnt make all the difference. Software makes a world of difference as well.

Joey S said,
Speed? Yeah right,...

So what you're saying is, you'd prefer faster hardware, even though the software it's running negates those advantages in many common areas? In the end, you're doing thing's slower.

Joey S said,
This reminds me of the "glance and go" failed catchphrase. People want a smooth, fast running multitasking OS. They don't care about having to use 1/2 less pushes, or having more shortcuts. No doubt you can probably configure some app to do the same thing in Android anyway.

I guess you've never used Windows Phone seeing as it doesn't have the "charge me every two hours" multitasking that Android has and yes, I have used Android, biggest POS I ever owned. Windows Phone tombstones apps in the background, just like the iPhone.

neo158 said,

I guess you've never used Windows Phone seeing as it doesn't have the "charge me every two hours" multitasking that Android has and yes, I have used Android, biggest POS I ever owned. Windows Phone tombstones apps in the background, just like the iPhone.

I only charge my phone once a day when I sleep and I use my phone a lot. Still has 30 - 40 percent battery life on it at the end of the day. This is after sending a few hundred texts, Checking FB a dozen or so times, several pics/vids, player a few hours of games, and a lot of web browsing. I dont do this every day but did so just for a battery test.

Android OS had lots of issues in previous versions but ICS is a big improvement.

You can put the most powerful engine you can find in a car, but it's not going to go very fast if it has flat tires.

Likewise, you can put the most powerful processor in a phone and it's not going to go very fast if it runs Android.

Enron said,
You can put the most powerful engine you can find in a car, but it's not going to go very fast if it has flat tires.

Likewise, you can put the most powerful processor in a phone and it's not going to go very fast if it runs Android.

Android is fast, just not as fast as it could be and not as refined as it could be. It has been improved and ICS is a really good step in the right direction. The ports and updates I have seen on devices look pretty good.

Joey S said,
Speed? Yeah right, let's see some actual benchmarks, not subjective, I can type/send a message faster than you rubbish. lol. The Galaxy Nexus hardware = 3 x better than any windows phone on the market.

This reminds me of the "glance and go" failed catchphrase. People want a smooth, fast running multitasking OS. They don't care about having to use 1/2 less pushes, or having more shortcuts. No doubt you can probably configure some app to do the same thing in Android anyway.

Besides, I prefer my live wallpapers to the tetris look

May be 3x faster hardware in raw terms, but that has been soundly beaten by technology that is a couple of generations behind.... embarrassing for the galaxy nexus i'd say.

techbeck said,

Android is fast, just not as fast as it could be and not as refined as it could be. It has been improved and ICS is a really good step in the right direction. The ports and updates I have seen on devices look pretty good.

Exactly, that's why I switched to Windows Phone. I used Android 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 and now 2.3 on my HTC Desire and I have noticed that it's got progressively faster with each version, but, it's just not optimised for the hardware it's running on as Google seem to favour specs over optimisation.

As for being refined I feel ICS is far more refined than previous versions but, IMHO, still lacks a unified look that WP has. I said it in a thread in the forum a while ago that, to me, Android feels like lots of open source projects slapped together to make an OS, as I said, ICS has gone some way to rectifying this issue though.

Joey S said,

Agreed. It's seems pretty desperate. Like all they can do is criticise the competition in obscure ways because WP hardware is two generations behind Android/iOS.

The fact that WP7 smoked a Galaxy Nexus, the top end Android phone, with it's hardware that is "two generations behind" should tell you something.

However, I know that you'll just ignore that point seeing as you're just a rabid Android Fanboy.

Joey S said,

Agreed. It's seems pretty desperate. Like all they can do is criticise the competition in obscure ways because WP hardware is two generations behind Android/iOS.

Two generations behind and still being #smokedbywindowsphone? Goes to show the software is holding back the hardware then it seems

Thiefyo said,
phatetic that they got a board that says my phone got smokey by a windows phone very sad:)))

It's called marketing. What's pathetic is all the android fanboys trying every angle in the sun to try and discount this test.

I use iOS but I'm grown up enough to admit that WP7 is probably the most innovative, well thought out OS out there at the moment. What it doesn't have is the App Store which is why I'm still with Apple

That's impressive. But if I can do these things with my phone so blazingly fast....what will I do with all that free time that I normally spend messing with my phone trying to look important?

Shadrack said,
That's impressive. But if I can do these things with my phone so blazingly fast....what will I do with all that free time that I normally spend messing with my phone trying to look important?

Play some Xbox Live enabled games to gain those achievements and boost your gamerscore, browse the web using IE9 Mobile, browse the marketplace for more apps or how about this, get some work done using Microsoft Office.

neo158 said,

Play some Xbox Live enabled games to gain those achievements and boost your gamerscore, browse the web using IE9 Mobile, browse the marketplace for more apps or how about this, get some work done using Microsoft Office.

Search for things to watch on TV using the companion app, then hit play and watch your Xbox load up the show.

Paul Brambilla said,

Search for things to watch on TV using the companion app, then hit play and watch your Xbox load up the show.

Yeah, I forgot that one!!!

Shadrack said,
That's impressive. But if I can do these things with my phone so blazingly fast....what will I do with all that free time that I normally spend messing with my phone trying to look important?

read a book.

And I will throw this in as well. The test if flawed. How fast someone can type/touch and how familiar the person is with their device makes a difference in how fast things can get done on the phone.

techbeck said,
And I will throw this in as well. The test if flawed. How fast someone can type/touch and how familiar the person is with their device makes a difference in how fast things can get done on the phone.

The guy says "i haven't started typing it yet".

Anthonyd said,

The guy says "i haven't started typing it yet".

Again, there are apps that do the same thing on android and other phones as well. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

And who cares about social networking sites? I would be more interested in how fast you an take pics/videos...make a call...send an email...that sort of thing.

techbeck said,
And I will throw this in as well. The test if flawed. How fast someone can type/touch and how familiar the person is with their device makes a difference in how fast things can get done on the phone.

the point is how quickly you can get to the stuff you want on wp7, how well thought out it is. Sure you could setup an app and widget on android, but that's not the point. 12 wins is the point, and as stated the guy here hadn't started to type!

techbeck said,

Again, there are apps that do the same thing on android and other phones as well. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

And who cares about social networking sites? I would be more interested in how fast you an take pics/videos...make a call...send an email...that sort of thing.


Brotips: Windows phone catchphrase is "put people first", and yes maybe you can add shortcut on android but it's not OOBT (as said on the preview comment). Android is just stupid OOBT, you have to flash your phone, root it, install some randoms appz and so on, where on Windows phone it's working OOBT and it's fully supported by the OS manufacturer.

Now if you don't see that as an advantage, then you have a serious ego fanboy problem.

techbeck said,

Again, there are apps that do the same thing on android and other phones as well. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

And who cares about social networking sites? I would be more interested in how fast you an take pics/videos...make a call...send an email...that sort of thing.

Ohh trust me, he did put all those that you mention in test with other phones, and they got #smokedbywindowsphone. You got to see how quick these actions are on a windows phone. Can't show you.

Anthonyd said,

Brotips: Windows phone catchphrase is "put people first", and yes maybe you can add shortcut on android but it's not OOBT (as said on the preview comment). Android is just stupid OOBT, you have to flash your phone, root it, install some randoms appz and so on, where on Windows phone it's working OOBT and it's fully supported by the OS manufacturer.

Now if you don't see that as an advantage, then you have a serious ego fanboy problem.

I didnt say I didnt see the advantage so stop assuming stuff. And you DO NOT have to flash/root an android phone to get this same capability. So yea, try again.

I am giving my opinion and if you dont like it, fine...but leave your fanboy comments to someone who is one.

duddit2 said,

the point is how quickly you can get to the stuff you want on wp7, how well thought out it is. Sure you could setup an app and widget on android, but that's not the point. 12 wins is the point, and as stated the guy here hadn't started to type!

I don't really care. I can customise Android to do anything I like. It's impossible to customise WP except choosing from a few different coloured tiles. I'd rather have my gorgeous live wallpapers than blocks of the same colours.

manosdoc said,

Ohh trust me, he did put all those that you mention in test with other phones, and they got #smokedbywindowsphone. You got to see how quick these actions are on a windows phone. Can't show you.

Tried to find other vids on the twitter page that showed different tests...but couldnt find any

techbeck said,

Again, there are apps that do the same thing on android and other phones as well. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

And who cares about social networking sites? I would be more interested in how fast you an take pics/videos...make a call...send an email...that sort of thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgvWdxH53D4

Can you PLEASE stop your whining?

itylernallen said,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgvWdxH53D4

Can you PLEASE stop your whining?

Yes, lets post videos from several months ago. I am looking for more videos on the tests that were run during this challenge.

And what you call whining is what I call having a conversation/debate and talking about the topic and tests that were done. Its clear you just want to stir up trouble so I am done with you.

techbeck said,

Yes, lets post videos from several months ago. I am looking for more videos on the tests that were run during this challenge.

And what you call whining is what I call having a conversation/debate and talking about the topic and tests that were done. Its clear you just want to stir up trouble so I am done with you.

Ok. I will have my own speed test with you. Decide how you want to do it. I'll upload a video of me doing various tasks with my Windows Phone and you can do one with your Android. Sound like a plan?

Joey S said,

I don't really care. I can customise Android to do anything I like. It's impossible to customise WP except choosing from a few different coloured tiles. I'd rather have my gorgeous live wallpapers than blocks of the same colours.
This was my biggest gripe with WP7 at first. I always made my own homescreens on Windows Mobile based on files from XDA Dev.

I gave the Focus a shot in Dec 2010 and haven't looked back or missed creating my own screens. There is no need to do so. Now I'm watching the market to see what my next discounted handset will be, but there is no rush because my Focus is performing great!

Joey S said,

I don't really care. I can customise Android to do anything I like. It's impossible to customise WP except choosing from a few different coloured tiles. I'd rather have my gorgeous live wallpapers than blocks of the same colours.

Nice, I guess you need something to throw all that amazing processing speed of your Android phone at!

techbeck said,

Again, there are apps that do the same thing on android and other phones as well. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

And who cares about social networking sites? I would be more interested in how fast you an take pics/videos...make a call...send an email...that sort of thing.


ok apples to apples..... this is a stock wp7 device .. you dont need apps to do these things.. out of the box a WP7 is better.. clearly that guy did not have any of the apps to do these tasks.. should we have waited for him to download them!??!

Joey S said,

I don't really care. I can customise Android to do anything I like. It's impossible to customise WP except choosing from a few different coloured tiles. I'd rather have my gorgeous live wallpapers than blocks of the same colours.

I've customized my Windows Phone with deep linking for my favorite apps. My thermostat is pinned to my start screen. I see the temperature INSIDE my house and with one tap, the app opens and goes directly to my thermostat device where I can control in seconds. I also have many other deep shortcuts to things like google reader folders that flip over showing me updates to things most important to me. Live tiles in Windows Phone make this device HIGHLY customizable. Way more powerfull than battery draining widgets. There are more important things to customize than wallpapers.

duddit2 said,

the point is how quickly you can get to the stuff you want on wp7, how well thought out it is. Sure you could setup an app and widget on android, but that's not the point. 12 wins is the point, and as stated the guy here hadn't started to type!

Again the pont is how fast you can do what the guy carefully chose to do and compare to other devices.
All these comparisons could and will be "tailored" by the presenter to demonstrate that his/her device is better than the competitors ones, every company does it.
You, the customer, just need to analyze it with a grain of salt and correct the emphasis.

techbeck said,

Yes, lets post videos from several months ago. I am looking for more videos on the tests that were run during this challenge.

And what you call whining is what I call having a conversation/debate and talking about the topic and tests that were done. Its clear you just want to stir up trouble so I am done with you.

You need to keep in mind that Neowin is a peculiar place: together with "thinking" people you will find others who will "brand" you as a troll just and only because your opinion is not aligned with their ones; no matter how well you could articulate it, disagreement is the mark of a troll.........
My personal advice is just to ignore those minus habens and enjoy the debate with the wise and grown up ones.

Fritzly said,

You need to keep in mind that Neowin is a peculiar place: together with "thinking" people you will find others who will "brand" you as a troll just and only because your opinion is not aligned with their ones; no matter how well you could articulate it, disagreement is the mark of a troll.........
My personal advice is just to ignore those minus habens and enjoy the debate with the wise and grown up ones.

Oh, I am not worried. People here do not know what a troll or fanboy really is and just spout off those words to insult someone who doesnt agree with them.

techbeck said,

Again, there are apps that do the same thing on android and other phones as well. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

And who cares about social networking sites? I would be more interested in how fast you an take pics/videos...make a call...send an email...that sort of thing.

I dont believe you. These sound like the words of a butt hurt Android or iPhone user who can come to terms with the facts shown in the videos.

WP7 said,

I dont believe you. These sound like the words of a butt hurt Android or iPhone user who can come to terms with the facts shown in the videos.

Yea, I tend not to believe tests like the weather challenge where Ben had the cities he was checking pre-programmed in to his phone. The challenger had to go and search for his cities.

Lets have one guy, we will call him BEN, who is trained and practiced on his phone go up against people who are not as much so.

Anthonyd said,
iPhone 4S got smoked, too bad the news isn't talking about it

Well, the fact is this isn't a real competition. It's a bogus gimmick to say the least. The good news is, this article makes Windows Phone users feel better about themselves.

UndergroundWire said,

Well, the fact is this isn't a real competition. It's a bogus gimmick to say the least. The good news is, this article makes Windows Phone users feel better about themselves.

You must be one of the "G-nex"owners that got butt hurt on one of the videos? Lol haha.

WP7 said,

You must be one of the "G-nex"owners that got butt hurt on one of the videos? Lol haha.

The video was rather amusing. It's great advertisement for the kids.

nik louch said,
Again, I will say, the metro UI gives VERY quick access to your most used features.

As if such isn't possible with non-Windows phones.

SharpGreen said,

As if such isn't possible with non-Windows phones.

Suppose you text a contact. While on text app you wanna grab some news about this contact.
Suppose you wanna have a look on his Twitter/FB/Skydrive images
Suppose you wanna comment too on some new you notice and like them.

Now tell me your VERY QUICK access and I'll tell you the Metro way.

manosdoc said,

Suppose you text a contact. While on text app you wanna grab some news about this contact.
Suppose you wanna have a look on his Twitter/FB/Skydrive images
Suppose you wanna comment too on some new you notice and like them.

Now tell me your VERY QUICK access and I'll tell you the Metro way.


I guess I can do multitasking or use Gestures to go through open apps.

manosdoc said,

Suppose you text a contact. While on text app you wanna grab some news about this contact.
Suppose you wanna have a look on his Twitter/FB/Skydrive images
Suppose you wanna comment too on some new you notice and like them.

Now tell me your VERY QUICK access and I'll tell you the Metro way.

Exactly... being able to download an app to post to facebook is hardly the same as how WP7 integrates all the information properly, and consequently feeds all the data across your phone properly where you want it.

Jose_49 said,

I guess I can do multitasking or use Gestures to go through open apps.

WOW!! You could of course, anyone could multitask, what a SHOCKER.

But EVEN like that, you need to search all this times for that person while I within my Message hub just tap, swipe left, swipe left, tap. boom (steve jobs favorite word )

manosdoc said,

Suppose you text a contact. While on text app you wanna grab some news about this contact.
Suppose you wanna have a look on his Twitter/FB/Skydrive images
Suppose you wanna comment too on some new you notice and like them.

Now tell me your VERY QUICK access and I'll tell you the Metro way.

Now with no social networking stuff

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

In Android these are all significantly easier/faster than WP7

Jose_49 said,

I guess I can do multitasking or use Gestures to go through open apps.

but you still have to open the apps to do it.. so do you wake up in the morning and open all the apps on your phone that you want to multitask that day and will use to save time?

geoken said,

Now with no social networking stuff

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

In Android these are all significantly easier/faster than WP7

Activate Bluetooth/Wifi? Wow, When I first got my Samsung focus, wifi/bluetooth/gps etc were all on and I NEVER turn them off. I was trained from my previous android phone that I needed to do this to save battery life. Turns out with Windows Phone, users can just use the phone and not worry at all about this stuff. Battery life doesn't seem to suffer one bit.

geoken said,

Now with no social networking stuff

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

In Android these are all significantly easier/faster than WP7

On WP7, simply swipe to bottom of main screen (select Settings), choose BT/WiFi/Airplane right there, On/Off right there. 3 clicks.

Also, notifications are on the locked screen so there's nowhere deeper to drill into. 0 clicks, 1 button press (lock screen button).

geoken said,

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

In Android these are all significantly easier/faster than WP7

Is turning bluetooth and wifi on/off the only thing that is easier/faster in Android. Personally I never bother, they're just left on and I only have to charge every 3rd day.

As for notifications... even when in an app they appear at the top of the screen. When "in an app" i presume the phone is being used so it's quite obvious.

The only other special feature I'm seeing touted as an Android win is speed of using Airplane mode... I've needed that a whole once last year.

Nas said,

On WP7, simply swipe to bottom of main screen (select Settings), choose BT/WiFi/Airplane right there, On/Off right there. 3 clicks.

Also, notifications are on the locked screen so there's nowhere deeper to drill into. 0 clicks, 1 button press (lock screen button).


Assuming you place a widget on the hoescreen.
1. Tap on the wifi/ bluetooth
2. Done....

Suppose you text a contact. While on text app you wanna grab some news about this contact.
I kind of forget how this works on ICS.
1. tap the contact picture (since you are already inside the message)
2. click some button or maybe it immediately go to contact list... (I forget how does it works on ICS...)
It bring to to the person's contact which if u sync with like twitter, the person's social network's news is there.

Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
1. Pull down notification menu (Which some inside the lock screen can too) On some OEM or other lock screen you can just access in your lock screen already)
2. Done

Suppose you wanna comment too on some new you notice and like them.
Lets assume we use official facebook
1. Open Facebook
2. Read the news.....
3. Spotted the news you like, click the +
4. Like or comment it....

I believe its the same like iOS.

Ok one question for WP7.
List down the steps to post a tweet tagging 7 of your friends
Please tell me how you tag them....

geoken said,

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

Suppose you didn't have to do these things just to get 10h of battery life from your phone.

geoken said,

Now with no social networking stuff

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

In Android these are all significantly easier/faster than WP7

Wow, when was the last time you used Windows Phone, ever?

The Notification would be on the lock screen and across the top of the screen.

Bluetooth is one click to activate, put a tile to toggle it. (PS Bluetooth can remain active on WP7 with less battery consumption than Android BTW, so turning it off is less necessary.)

WiFi - See Bluetooth response, ditto.


How about this test, you get an email through your Email App and and want to look up what the person is talking about, or even want to copy text from the email.

It is NOT even possible to do this on Android, how insane is that? Even forwarding the message, you can't edit it or copy from it.

On WP7, highlight the words, you can click copy, or if you want to look up what they talking about, hit the search button after highlighting the words, it knows you want to look this up and finds it.

Anthonyd said,

Click play on the video frame mate.

LOL, that doesn't prove anything. If I issue a challenge and I know what is coming next, doesn't that mean I will be faster? Also, Ben knows his phone inside and out. Most people do not.

UndergroundWire said,
LOL, that doesn't prove anything. If I issue a challenge and I know what is coming next, doesn't that mean I will be faster? Also, Ben knows his phone inside and out. Most people do not.

I don't even have a Windows Phone and I know how to do that challenge just as quickly on one. They're very intuitive.

thenetavenger said,

How about this test, you get an email through your Email App and and want to look up what the person is talking about, or even want to copy text from the email.

It is NOT even possible to do this on Android, how insane is that? Even forwarding the message, you can't edit it or copy from it.

I can do that just fine on my Stock Gingerbread (2.3.5) Galaxy Player and my stock ICS (4.0.3) Galaxy Nexus. When was the last time you used Android?

Elliott said,

I don't even have a Windows Phone and I know how to do that challenge just as quickly on one. They're very intuitive.

OK but I showed one to my girlfriend. Granted I had to show her on Android. She couldn't find her way around on Windows Phone. If it is truly intuitive, it should be for both your everyday person not just somebody who is familiar with technology.

thenetavenger said,

Wow, when was the last time you used Windows Phone, ever?

The Notification would be on the lock screen and across the top of the screen


Bluetooth is one click to activate, put a tile to toggle it. (PS Bluetooth can remain active on WP7 with less battery consumption than Android BTW, so turning it off is less necessary.)

WiFi - See Bluetooth response, ditto.


How about this test, you get an email through your Email App and and want to look up what the person is talking about, or even want to copy text from the email.

It is NOT even possible to do this on Android, how insane is that? Even forwarding the message, you can't edit it or copy from it.

On WP7, highlight the words, you can click copy, or if you want to look up what they talking about, hit the search button after highlighting the words, it knows you want to look this up and finds it.

Notifications are on the lock screen and across the top of the screen..... for how long? If you miss how to retrieve them?


Bluetooth is one click to activate, put a tile to toggle it. (PS Bluetooth can remain active on WP7 with less battery consumption than Android BTW, so turning it off is less necessary.)

This is not accurate at all:
Either way you swap left/Settings/BT and finally turn it on and off
I do not have an Android device so i will not comment about battery life; I have several people who do not agree with your statements about Android consumption; what I can tell you that the battery life of both my HD7 and Lumia 800 battery life is not great. To be honest it was not great on my HD2 too.

As for the WiFi same story as above.


How about this test, you get an email containing a phone #; copy it and paste it in the phone dialer................
Oops this is impossible in WP7..............

bottom line: the perfect phone does not exist; maybe one OS handles better the tasks very important for you; another brand does the same but for the tasks important to me. Which one is the better device? it is all subjective.....


Lachlan said,

but you still have to open the apps to do it.. so do you wake up in the morning and open all the apps on your phone that you want to multitask that day and will use to save time?


Well... I just said another way of doing so. XDD

Fritzly said,
How about this test, you get an email containing a phone #; copy it and paste it in the phone dialer................
Oops this is impossible in WP7..............

Of course not, we would tap the number which would push it to the dialer and begin the call, again less steps.
thanks for proving the point of the competition.

dotf said,

Of course not, we would tap the number which would push it to the dialer and begin the call, again less steps.
thanks for proving the point of the competition.

I am sorry, my bad..... I forgot that some people think that the US are the only Country in the World.....
Let me enlighten you about what REAL/ACTUAL users of WP7, me included, would like to have:

http://windowsphone.uservoice....-the-phone-dialer?ref=title

Enjoy your reading......... and while there you could also read about some other features needed..........

geoken said,

Now with no social networking stuff

-Suppose you just got to your car and want to activate bluetooth
-Suppose you were in an app and felt your phone vibrate and you want to know what app just got a notification
-Suppose you just got to work and want to turn off WiFi to save battery life

In Android these are all significantly easier/faster than WP7

You clearly haven't used a Windows Phone if you're making these points. Also, bluetooth hardly works in Android.

Fritzly said,

I am sorry, my bad..... I forgot that some people think that the US are the only Country in the World.....
Let me enlighten you about what REAL/ACTUAL users of WP7, me included, would like to have:

http://windowsphone.uservoice....-the-phone-dialer?ref=title

Enjoy your reading......... and while there you could also read about some other features needed..........

Well let me enlighten you a little then, I live in the UK and can call a phone number from an email or text message by tapping the number.

neo158 said,

Well let me enlighten you a little then, I live in the UK and can call a phone number from an email or text message by tapping the number.

Or a website.

UndergroundWire said,

Really? Worked fine for me on all the phones and tablets I owned. Even with an Apple Mouse.

I've always had issues with file transfers. External devices tend to work alright though.

neo158 said,

Well let me enlighten you a little then, I live in the UK and can call a phone number from an email or text message by tapping the number.


Good for you; I and others are not. Again check the link provided above and see by yourself......


Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.

techbeck said,
Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.


Exactly what I was thinking. Totally possible on an Android phone.

Zedox said,

Not OOTB, which is a point.

Is the point yes, but a crap test IMO comparing features of a phone to another who doesnt have the same capability out of the box.

techbeck said,

Is the point yes, but a crap test IMO comparing features of a phone to another who doesnt have the same capability out of the box.

This is stuff 90% done usually with a smartphone. Unless you browsermark everytime.

SharpGreen said,

Exactly what I was thinking. Totally possible on an Android phone.

You get a new wp7 phone, you turn on, you enter user Ames and passwords for fb, twitter, LinkedIn, email, windows live. You now are setup fully for all IM, checkins, status updates, notifications, friends updates, pics, all in easy to use and very simple hubs. There are plenty of people that use android and don't know how yo setup the apps you mention, along with people who like ease of use. WP7 makes it all easier and slicker

techbeck said,

Is the point yes, but a crap test IMO comparing features of a phone to another who doesnt have the same capability out of the box.


Which is that guy Ben is doing. You do not need to download/anything to quickly do social network stuff on WP7. Is that so hard to understand?

FarCry3r said,

Which is that guy Ben is doing. You do not need to download/anything to quickly do social network stuff on WP7. Is that so hard to understand?

I understand it just fine...but its misleading thinking that other devices cannot do the same thing. And there are many people out there that will think just that.

techbeck said,

I understand it just fine...but its misleading thinking that other devices cannot do the same thing.


If he's saying that non WP phones can't do that OOTB then it's not misleading. If he's saying non WP phones can't do that AT ALL then, Houston, we've got a problem.

techbeck said,

And there are many people out there that will think just that.


If you're a marketer, and peoples believe what you said, isn't that a win for you?

FarCry3r said,

If you're a marketer, and peoples believe what you said, isn't that a win for you?

Not really since I know many people who were fooled and mislead about a product and they then wouldn't buy from the same company again. And is why I will give my opinion on a product but then again tell the same person to do their own research and make sure whatever they buy works for what they need.

As a company/marketer...you want repeat business.

Edited by techbeck, Jan 11 2012, 1:00am :

techbeck said,

Not really since I know many people who were fooled and mislead about a product and they then wouldn't buy from the same company again. And is why I will give my opinion on a product but then again tell the same person to do their own research and make sure whatever they buy works for what they need.

As a company/marketer...you want repeat business.

You do unserstand that all the tests being performed are being selected by the participant and not scenerios that have been prescreened to benefit WP7 phones. So far WP7 has lost to Iphone 4S in the Twitter pic upload but has won in other challenges.

This is MS trying to demonstrate that number of cores on the phones processor doesn't make much differrence in real world scenerios and IMO, this is great marketing and creating awareness for WP7 which is struggling to distance itself from Win Mobile past..

techbeck said,
Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.

Either you are dying to have children with your Android platform or just like to post things to cause an argument.

What this video shows is that Windows Phone can post an update to a social network faster than any other phone can. Yes, Windows Phone has these systems built in and other mobile OS require apps to do this (which already makes the WP a smudge better, less apps needing installed), but even with the apps that these devices have WP is still able to post quicker.

Second of all, this video is not misleading. However, you are right on one part, the Windows Phone is the ONLY phone that allowed a user to post a status update on the most popular social networking sites without the use of 3rd party applications.

You can whine and cry about how other OS do not have this feature out of the box and it is unfair. Well, why do other OS not have this out of the box and how is this unfair? They are both using the resources that are available.

If you want to complain, why not complain about how Android basically ripped iOS?

PoohGQ said,

You do unserstand that all the tests being performed are being selected by the participant and not scenerios that have been prescreened to benefit WP7 phones. So far WP7 has lost to Iphone 4S in the Twitter pic upload but has won in other challenges.

I understand the tests just fine. Just wanted to see more than social networking tests. And have not seen any more vids on the twitter page.

itylernallen said,

Either you are dying to have children with your Android platform or just like to post things to cause an argument.

And I stopped reading there. I was expressing my opinion. Leave your childish comments to yourself.

techbeck said,

And I stopped reading there. I was expressing my opinion. Leave your childish comments to yourself.

I was expressing mine as well. Not really a childish comment as you have made similar ones in the past. No, I will not go find them.

techbeck said,

Is the point yes, but a crap test IMO comparing features of a phone to another who doesnt have the same capability out of the box.

I missed something in the video. Was the Android user limited in the App they could use? Who said the Nexus wasnt using a wizbang app.

itylernallen said,

I was expressing mine as well. Not really a childish comment as you have made similar ones in the past. No, I will not go find them.

Telling someone that they what to have children with their phone is a childish comment. And yes, I have said things like that in the past...key word here is past. I have not said anything like that in a long time.

But anyway, I am done with you. Have a good night.

gription said,

I missed something in the video. Was the Android user limited in the App they could use? Who said the Nexus wasnt using a wizbang app.

He was using the default Facebook app from what I could tell by the motions he was making. The challenger probably wasnt aware of the feature of WP7.

techbeck said,

Telling someone that they what to have children with their phone is a childish comment. And yes, I have said things like that in the past...key word here is past. I have not said anything like that in a long time.

But anyway, I am done with you. Have a good night.

Then you have no room to speak. Do not try and bite someone's head off for making a comment when you have made similar in the past. Does not matter if you do so anymore, you still have done so. Get off my back fanboy.

techbeck said,

Not really since I know many people who were fooled and mislead about a product and they then wouldn't buy from the same company again. And is why I will give my opinion on a product but then again tell the same person to do their own research and make sure whatever they buy works for what they need.

As a company/marketer...you want repeat business.


The same when companies kept pushing for those "faster dual-core" processor phones when single core just works fine. But then I believe they kept buying phones from the same company again. Plus oh, what's so misleading about WP7 ability to quickly access your social networks features that makes peoples won't buy from them again? Nothing right?

FarCry3r said,

The same when companies kept pushing for those "faster dual-core" processor phones when single core just works fine. But then I believe they kept buying phones from the same company again. Plus oh, what's so misleading about WP7 ability to quickly access your social networks features that makes peoples won't buy from them again? Nothing right?

Companies push towards faster/more core processors because thats how things progress. Dual core works just fine, for now on a lot of devices. But if you want to increase what you can do with them...gaming, productivity...then you need better hardware. And normally, the hardware comes first. Who is going to write a program for hardware that cannot support it?

And my misleading comment was not what WP7 can/cannot do...its that many people will think that other devices cannot have the same capability.

techbeck said,

And my misleading comment was not what WP7 can/cannot do...its that many people will think that other devices cannot have the same capability.

I'm quoting your last reply:

techbeck said,

I know many people who were fooled and mislead about a product and they then wouldn't buy from the same company again.


So let say a customer walk in, the WP7 sales person said "Hey, buy WP7, it can do social networking out of the box when Android/iOS cannot!"

Later if he found out that it's not true as Android/iOS can do the same by installing 3rd party apps. Will he not buy WP7 since he knew that even though the sales person mislead him, that the OOTB feature was indeed real?

techbeck said,
Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.

you know that when you go to a contact in WP7 it shows you all their latest pictures from facebook.. so you would not even need a facebook app on WP7 .. bet you I could pull up a facebook pictures faster then you can on your device..

FarCry3r said,

Later if he found out that it's not true as Android/iOS can do the same by installing 3rd party apps. Will he not buy WP7 since he knew that even though the sales person mislead him, that the OOTB feature was indeed real?

I see your point. I was just commenting on what you said about if someone believes what a marketer said, wouldnt that be a win for you. Only a win if it is true...was thinking broader than this situation. But yes, if a marketer is truthful about what they are saying, then they will buy the same product again as long as choose so and had a good experience.

Ive tried iOS and liked Android better. I am hoping WP does better and get more support. I dont plan on using Android forever.

FarCry3r said,

Which is that guy Ben is doing. You do not need to download/anything to quickly do social network stuff on WP7. Is that so hard to understand?
Lol that is because there isn't any for wp7 to download. Take a look at the official twitter and Facebook and its awesome rating.

techbeck said,
I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

.

there is your problem, you don't have friends XD

gription said,

I missed something in the video. Was the Android user limited in the App they could use? Who said the Nexus wasnt using a wizbang app.

The guy chose the test (post a messgae to facebook), its his own phone - the point here is that WP7 did this task that the android user selected faster, it did this because it has certain functions built into the OS and is well thought out.

It won 12 out of 13 of these user selected tests and only got beat by one user with an iPhone 4s posting an image to twitter.

This is simply MS trying to show that real phones phones setup the way they their owners have them setup, not a synthetic benchmarkk or paper spec, can be beaten by a WP7 device - in its OOTB setup.

duddit2 said,

You get a new wp7 phone, you turn on, you enter user Ames and passwords for fb, twitter, LinkedIn, email, windows live. You now are setup fully for all IM, checkins, status updates, notifications, friends updates, pics, all in easy to use and very simple hubs. There are plenty of people that use android and don't know how yo setup the apps you mention, along with people who like ease of use. WP7 makes it all easier and slicker

It all comes down to personal preferences and NEEDS:
I have LinkedIn and Messenger, I avoid FB as the 21st Century plague and I do not use it at all; just personal preferences of course.

Based on my priorities I obviously could not care less how long does my phone take to post a picture on FB or similar tasks.
I would be more interested, for example, to be able to collapse and expand folders and sub-folders I have in the mail app; someone else could say what is the big deal? Well, there are a huge amount of Outlook users who have a very complex folder hierarchy with tens or even more folders and such ability is a high priority for them..... and me.

auziez said,

there is your problem, you don't have friends XD

I am afraid you are the one who has no clue or real understanding of the meaning of friendship.............

Saying that someone does not have friends because does not have or use FB is, at first sight, just preposterous.................

Double think about it and some serious concerns about where our society is heading will pop up in the mind of people; I am afraid mostly in the mind of elder ones.

techbeck said,
Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

Do you LIVE in this world? I can assure you that 80% of the time I observe people, on WHATever device, they are doing some sort of social networking or email. This is what Microsoft recognized and they designed the OS to favor those activities and integrate them much better than other platforms.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.

techbeck said,
Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.

Yet this is 1 feature out of 100 that incorporate, simplify and integrate features, that you would need 'Apps' to mimic, as Android does not handle information or connectivity in this way.

Also, the side joke, is this is user interaction, and WP7 can flip betwen Apps far faster than the best Android Phone with 4.0.

In benchmarking, WP7 can stomp on Android on devices 4 to 5 times faster. This is the funny side note.

Open an HTML5 graphical test page right now on your phone, do you get 30 or 60fps? WP7 phones do...

WP7 also has a real memory manager, and doesn't randomly close Apps when the OS starts sucking the RAM. WP7 doesn't also get in a loop of killing messaging, messaging is important, restart messaging, killing messaging, when you are playing a game or running an App that uses a lot of RAM. (Android's memory management and App closing is a set back from 1990 Windows 3.0 technology era, and yet people are 'ok' with it closing your Apps for you. )

techbeck said,
Yawn....social network sites. Really? Like thats the only thing people do with their phone. And for people who dont use twitter, windows live, and all those other ones...big whop. I use FB, thats it and only use FB to see family pics.

And FYI, you can get Apps for android that posts to multiple social network sites at once. Yea, its not the same as the phone coming with this feature but again, yawn.

Not out the box you cant. Using Android and iOS is a ball ache compared to WP7. I have owned most types of phone OS. WP7 is by far the most user friendly.

I really do love WP7 (.5) - it really does allow you to do these simple things quicker, with less clicks, and makes most tasks simple (not that its difficult on other platforms, but so what, its quicker and simpler on WP7 - why make things harder?)

duddit2 said,
I really do love WP7 (.5) - it really does allow you to do these simple things quicker, with less clicks, and makes most tasks simple (not that its difficult on other platforms, but so what, its quicker and simpler on WP7 - why make things harder?)

I can install a widget and post with one click does this make my phone faster?
On the other hand i CAN run high end games and you cannot , i can load apps faster - you cannot... This is what counts.

DaveBG said,

I can install a widget and post with one click does this make my phone faster?
On the other hand i CAN run high end games and you cannot , i can load apps faster - you cannot... This is what counts.

I'm sorry, but I HIGHLY doubt that's true. I've compared the same app on my Focus up against my wife's iPhone 4 and swamped her EVERY TIME. So, I challenge your assertion.

ScubaDog said,

I'm sorry, but I HIGHLY doubt that's true. I've compared the same app on my Focus up against my wife's iPhone 4 and swamped her EVERY TIME. So, I challenge your assertion.

?? iOS don't have widget. Its an android not iOS. You sure you use before an iPhone anyway?

DaveBG said,

I can install a widget and post with one click does this make my phone faster?
On the other hand i CAN run high end games and you cannot , i can load apps faster - you cannot... This is what counts.

Widget = Android

High end games? Are you trying to be funny? Android itself can't touch iOS for gaming, and the both are restricted by OpenGL ES performance, running on generalized driver models.

WP7 is using targeted drivers with DirectX, this is why Qualcomm had to change their benchmarking, as the original Snapdragon GPU triangles, fill rate, etc were posted from their own Linux and Android builds. Which were 5X slower than what WP7 could reproduce with the WinCE kernel and the GPU drivers Microsoft provided. This surprised Qualcomm and is when they stopped listing 'numbers' on CPU/GPU because they were having to explain to partners buying the 2nd Gen Snapdragon SoHCs, why WP7 was faster on the 1st Gen Snapdragon SoHC.

If you have an Android App or Game that can beat the slowest first generation WP7 phone, our techs would love to hear about it, as we have not found a single graphical test that WP7 can't beat both the latest Android devices and even the iPhone4s. (This includes the higher end Android Tablets.)

Just HTML5 graphical tests should be enough to cause pause for Android and iOS. Open an HTML5 graphical test site, on an iPad, Android Tablet, iPhone4s, Android Phone, and the slowest WP7 phone you can find. With the 7.5 Mango update, WP7 is the first and only mobile device that hardware accelerates web pages on both composition and rendering. This is an easy test to demonstrate the speed of WP7.

thenetavenger said,

Widget = Android

High end games? Are you trying to be funny? Android itself can't touch iOS for gaming, and the both are restricted by OpenGL ES performance, running on generalized driver models.

I'm sure he meant compared to WP

DaveBG said,

I can install a widget and post with one click does this make my phone faster?
On the other hand i CAN run high end games and you cannot , i can load apps faster - you cannot... This is what counts.
Well, my Samsung Focus S does only have a single core, and a measly 512 MB of RAM. This must be true.

Or, your battery killing specs on your Android and embarrassingly unsmooth transitions are not as fast as your fanboy dreams make them appear.

As thenetavenger pointed out, it's not all about hardware. The iPhone 4S trounces my latest generation Windows Phone's hardware. However, everything I do happens smoothly and quickly. Even the camera is faster than the iPhone's; I owned an iPhone 4 before switching.

DaveBG said,

I can install a widget and post with one click does this make my phone faster?
On the other hand i CAN run high end games and you cannot , i can load apps faster - you cannot... This is what counts.

I beg to differ. My Omnia 7 runs rings around my girlfriends iPhone 4, my bosses iPhone 4S and totally poops over my old nexus one & htc desire hd.

thenetavenger said,

Widget = Android

High end games? Are you trying to be funny? Android itself can't touch iOS for gaming, and the both are restricted by OpenGL ES performance, running on generalized driver models.

WP7 is using targeted drivers with DirectX, this is why Qualcomm had to change their benchmarking, as the original Snapdragon GPU triangles, fill rate, etc were posted from their own Linux and Android builds. Which were 5X slower than what WP7 could reproduce with the WinCE kernel and the GPU drivers Microsoft provided. This surprised Qualcomm and is when they stopped listing 'numbers' on CPU/GPU because they were having to explain to partners buying the 2nd Gen Snapdragon SoHCs, why WP7 was faster on the 1st Gen Snapdragon SoHC.

If you have an Android App or Game that can beat the slowest first generation WP7 phone, our techs would love to hear about it, as we have not found a single graphical test that WP7 can't beat both the latest Android devices and even the iPhone4s. (This includes the higher end Android Tablets.)

Just HTML5 graphical tests should be enough to cause pause for Android and iOS. Open an HTML5 graphical test site, on an iPad, Android Tablet, iPhone4s, Android Phone, and the slowest WP7 phone you can find. With the 7.5 Mango update, WP7 is the first and only mobile device that hardware accelerates web pages on both composition and rendering. This is an easy test to demonstrate the speed of WP7.

Very interesting read thanks

I'd be curious to see what challenges they have all done. Interesting as it is real world tasks versus synthetic benchmarks.

zeke009 said,
I'd be curious to see what challenges they have all done. Interesting as it is real world tasks versus synthetic benchmarks.

Very interesting.

I won't be surprised by comments such as...
"But, but, but... its has a slower processor, and less memory how can it be quicker at posting messages, sending emails, taking photos and other day to day stuff that people actually use it for? All the hardware tests says it should be slower."

lt8480 said,

Very interesting.

I won't be surprised by comments such as...
"But, but, but... its has a slower processor, and less memory how can it be quicker at posting messages, sending emails, taking photos and other day to day stuff that people actually use it for? All the hardware tests says it should be slower."

This had nothing to do with the hardware of the WP7 phone or Android phone. It has to do with the software and the ability to post to multiple social networking sites out of the box.

techbeck said,

This had nothing to do with the hardware of the WP7 phone or Android phone. It has to do with the software and the ability to post to multiple social networking sites out of the box.

That was my point... WP7 is much better at being used for almost all tasks. Even if the specs are marginally less.

lt8480 said,

That was my point... WP7 is much better at being used for almost all tasks. Even if the specs are marginally less.

Quicker, but not necessarily better. and i have been looking at the twitter page for more videos of different tests and cannot find any. Am I missing something?

lt8480 said,

That was my point... WP7 is much better at being used for almost all tasks. Even if the specs are marginally less.

It isn't better at all tasks. It's better at some tasks and I'm guessing this challenge is selectively choosing those tasks. WP7 wouldn't win if the task was something like 'switch to airplane mode' or 'turn on bluetooth'.

techbeck said,

Quicker, but not necessarily better. and i have been looking at the twitter page for more videos of different tests and cannot find any. Am I missing something?

so taking longer to do a meaningless task that you do everyday is better to you?? I would think being quicker is better.. how is taking longer a positive thing?

zeke009 said,
I'd be curious to see what challenges they have all done. Interesting as it is real world tasks versus synthetic benchmarks.

If you push specs aside I would have to say that WP OS is the smoothest experience I have had on a phone. I have owned a WP, iPhone, Android and a Blackberry and the WP was by far the best experience... admittedly I use my main SGS2 now but what pushed me over to that was the apps.

If WP gets the apps.. i'm sold!

geoken said,

It isn't better at all tasks. It's better at some tasks and I'm guessing this challenge is selectively choosing those tasks. WP7 wouldn't win if the task was something like 'switch to airplane mode' or 'turn on bluetooth'.

well im not sure if it is or is not quicker to switch back and for between airplane mode and bluetooth. But, what i am sure of is that those two things i never bother touching so its kind of.. an interesting debate. Id say id rather have the phone going faster at the things i use allot rather than some things that you hardly have to touch.

geoken said,

It isn't better at all tasks. It's better at some tasks and I'm guessing this challenge is selectively choosing those tasks. WP7 wouldn't win if the task was something like 'switch to airplane mode' or 'turn on bluetooth'.

You need an app for that too on Android (AFAIK), they are available on WP7.

Ently said,

If you push specs aside I would have to say that WP OS is the smoothest experience I have had on a phone. I have owned a WP, iPhone, Android and a Blackberry and the WP was by far the best experience... admittedly I use my main SGS2 now but what pushed me over to that was the apps.

If WP gets the apps.. i'm sold!

I feel the same way, and sadly i have a ton of android apps(specially from that 10 cent sale recently)..so switching would require an AMAZING phone from Microsoft's side.

Im on a SGSII and the WP feels just as smooth really. Ive had an iPhone 4s and it was just as smooth as well. Really, all 3 were the same speed.

lt8480 said,

That was my point... WP7 is much better at being used for almost all tasks. Even if the specs are marginally less.

It depends what do you mean with "Better" and what do you compare it against: My dream would be to have a WP phone able to do everything my WM 6.5 device was capable to do and do it better......... not just do better something with many features missing.

duddit2 said,

You need an app for that too on Android (AFAIK), they are available on WP7.

No you don't. If you long press the power button one of the options is to switch airplane mode. Also, the power control widget (the one that gives you toggles for popular settings like wifi, bluetooth, brightness) is installed by default.

auziez said,

well im not sure if it is or is not quicker to switch back and for between airplane mode and bluetooth. But, what i am sure of is that those two things i never bother touching so its kind of.. an interesting debate. Id say id rather have the phone going faster at the things i use allot rather than some things that you hardly have to touch.


I agree, which is why the value of certain features will vary from person to person.

For example, I don't use Facebook or twitter so all the social network integration is useless to me. In fact I remember being annoyed by them because they make some tasks take longer; for example, in the people hub you have to pan through extra panorama screens (the 'what's new') even if you haven't added any social networking accounts. It doesn't bother me anymore because I stopped using the people hub when contact groups were added in mango.

I do however tweak my settings constantly. I switch between ringer and silent throughout the day, I turn Bluetooth on/off whenever I exit and enter my car, I manually control brightness because light sensors typically annoy me with their frequent switching (my Focus is the worst for that). Those are all things that used to be easy but now are a lot more step on WP7, to the point that I don't even do a lot of them anymore.

Also, the notification system on WP7 is messed up. It relies on you adding an endless amount of tiles to your home screen (since you have now way of knowing what app just tried to notify you if it's tile isn't on the home screen). Beyond that, there's no way to quickly glance at a notification while you're doing something else. This always annoys me when I get an email while I'm playing wordament. On Android/iOS I could pull down the shade, see if the email is important, then act accordingly. On WP7 I need to close the app to even verify it was an email (and not some other notification), then I need to go into the email app to see what the email is, then I need to go back to wordament and wait for the next round to start (it's a live online multiplayer game so it can't just be paused and resumed).

geoken said,

It isn't better at all tasks. It's better at some tasks and I'm guessing this challenge is selectively choosing those tasks. WP7 wouldn't win if the task was something like 'switch to airplane mode' or 'turn on bluetooth'.

I beg to differ. It would be faster on my Focus. Just because you don't know how to operate your device doesn't mean it can't function.

ScubaDog said,

I beg to differ. It would be faster on my Focus. Just because you don't know how to operate your device doesn't mean it can't function.


So teach me then. I have a focus as well and turning Bluetooth on and off is slower than it was on my Nexus S.

I do use those shortcut apps that allow you to jump to a setting but it still isn't as fast as directly toggling that setting from your home screen or the notification shade. Those shortcut apps are just that, shortcuts, because WP7 doesn't allow apps to have direct access to settings.

With the native power control widget I could disable Bluetooth, wifi and gps in the time it takes me to tap the screen 3 times. On WP7 this requires me to use 3 different live tiles (which is already annoying since every app that has notifications also needs me to add its tile to the homescreen), returning to the home screen each time. It's definitely slower.

techbeck said,

This had nothing to do with the hardware of the WP7 phone or Android phone. It has to do with the software and the ability to post to multiple social networking sites out of the box.

And yet, WP7 beats in most of them as well. Bring up a graphical HTML5 site, or a GPU 3D test. DirectX smokes OpenGL ES even on hardware several times faster.

The RAM usage on WP7 is low for the OS, leaving a lot of room for applications and thus PERFORMANCE.

And the kernel integration into the CPU and GPU are far more optimized than the Linux stub and Android itself. Android is using Linux with generic HALs for device portability, instead of addressing a common HAL model that maintains portability and speed. So on WP7 instead of the 'generic' drivers working, you get highly optimized drivers for the devices and the architecture. Linux itself would have to be completely re-written for the specific CPU/Architecture in each phone for Android to even have a change to run as fast as the WinCE core kernel - which are technologies it mimics from Windows NT.

techbeck said,

This had nothing to do with the hardware of the WP7 phone or Android phone. It has to do with the software and the ability to post to multiple social networking sites out of the box.

And it also helps that if the person knows how to use their phone inside and out. It was just a sill gimmick and it was all in good fun.

geoken said,
It isn't better at all tasks.
Very true.
geoken said,
I'm guessing this challenge is selectively choosing those tasks. WP7 wouldn't win if the task was something like 'switch to airplane mode' or 'turn on bluetooth'.
I have a live tile on my main screen to turn on/off WiFi, and turn on/off Bluetooth. I could have one for Airplane mode if I had a need to use it that much. Even without the tile, it's simple: Settings -> Airplane Mode -> On/Off, similar to the iPhone, but different to some Android phones with it in the drag-down menu from the top.

pickypg said,
Very true.I have a live tile on my main screen to turn on/off WiFi, and turn on/off Bluetooth. I could have one for Airplane mode if I had a need to use it that much. Even without the tile, it's simple: Settings -> Airplane Mode -> On/Off, similar to the iPhone, but different to some Android phones with it in the drag-down menu from the top.

I have those as well. The app I use is called toggle. It's still slower compared to the power control widget.

With WP7 I need to tap the bluetooth tile -> wait a split second for the settings page to load -> tap the toggle -> tap home (there is usually a slight delay in returning home while bluetooth is turning on, the delay isn't there when turning it off)->flick down->tap the wifi tile -> wait a split second -> hit the toggle -> hit home again.

On android Tap the bluetooth icon on the power control -> tap the wifi icon on the power control.

If you don't know what the power control widget is; here is a pic. It's been a default Android widget since about 1.6
http://imgur.com/oktXO

geoken said,
I have those as well. The app I use is called toggle. It's still slower compared to the power control widget.

With WP7 I need to tap the bluetooth tile -> wait a split second for the settings page to load -> tap the toggle -> tap home (there is usually a slight delay in returning home while bluetooth is turning on, the delay isn't there when turning it off)->flick down->tap the wifi tile -> wait a split second -> hit the toggle -> hit home again.

On android Tap the bluetooth icon on the power control -> tap the wifi icon on the power control.

I'm not sure I see the utility in only turning it on or off, and this goes back to me agreeing that it won't be better at everything. I agree that there is benefit to being able to tap the button and activate the pre-configured connection, but it's not as quick when it's not in the menu bar with so many screens available. You have to place that Widget on one of your screens, and then you have to get there, which is only going to be a one-stop shop if you leave it on your main home screen.

Personally, I greatly prefer the OS being in full control of these settings with quick links to them. The Android version that I was referring to, was a widget that some of my friend's have on their Android phones that come from the top menu bar, yet act more like the Toggle; it's a feature that I was jealous of when I had my iPhone, and before Toggle and other Mango-friendly apps introduced the tiles. I find those to be much more useful than the Power Control.

I would like to see a mix of the idea. One of the few things that I dislike about Windows Phone is the disappearing status bar. I generally want to see it more than I do not want to see it. Adding click-ability to the icons could allow them to be grayed out when not in use and activated that way, akin to the Power Control app, while separately configured through the Toggle tile.

I agree that it would be convenient to activate and deactivate Bluetooth in a single tap, as I only use it in my car, and I do not want to have a Tile dedicated to simply On/Off; I would much rather have a Tile dedicated to configuration. Having it in the status bar has always been my pet-dream, and combined with Toggle, it would be a pretty good one. It might be hard to click though with such small icons.

geoken said,

It isn't better at all tasks. It's better at some tasks and I'm guessing this challenge is selectively choosing those tasks. WP7 wouldn't win if the task was something like 'switch to airplane mode' or 'turn on bluetooth'.

Actually yes I believe does win at those two . I have an Omnia 7. All I have to do is swipe to either tile on home screen, tap once, then toggle the relevant switch on or off. 3 very fast motions. WP7 wins again.