Weekend Poll: Would you disable Windows 8's Start Screen?

If you have been following our past Windows 8 coverage you will be well aware that Microsoft plans to include a Metro-styled Start Screen in their next operating system. By default, the Start Screen will be the first destination upon boot of your Windows 8 system, even on traditional desktop computers.

Microsoft believes that the Start Screen will make it easier for you to access your most used applications via pinned tiles, very similar to the way Windows Phone operates. These tiles can also display handy data without actually having to go into the app, such as showing upcoming calendar events and market stock information. As we have seen in the Developer Preview and also from recent screenshots, Microsoft seems keen to remove the standard and much loved Start Menu in favour of using the Start Screen.

However, we have also seen a lot of opposition and hate towards the new Start Screen in the comments of our articles and editorials such as this one. It seems that a lot of you guys out there don’t really like being forced to use the Start Screen even on traditional set-ups, and so we put it to you.

If you had the option to completely disable the Windows 8 Start Screen and restore the original Start Menu/Desktop combination, while still retaining most of the other Windows 8 features, would you take this option? Or would you rather keep the Start Screen but have it default to the Desktop? Perhaps you like the Metro interface and will keep the default Windows 8 settings.

Let us know anonymously in the poll below, and leave your opinion in the comments section below. Personally I would like to disable the Start Screen in favour of a traditional desktop with Start Menu, but I would still want to be able to quickly go back and use the Metro interface if I ever had to.

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If you could, would you disable the Windows 8 Start Screen?

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The quicker we can get rid of the archaic desktop the better. I'm tired of an OS that still shares too much in common with stupid Apple products. I love the Metro UI and paired with voice & gesture integration capable with Kinect, I'll be happy to get rid of the mouse for most of my interactions. Desktop is tired and it should die sooner rather than later.

Honestly I think you could get the most productivity if you replaced the 'desktop' part, where you put all your icons, with the start screen and left the task bar(metrofied of course). I really think that would be most effective.

As others have said before me, on my desktop/laptop computers I would default to the desktop. On my portable devices, I would use the start screen as it's intuitive for touch devices.

I will be turning it off on my laptop. I don't see a point to the "new" metro style start screen unless you have a touch screen.

I'd have added an option stating "I'll use either UI depending on my needs at that time". I see it as a natural progression. If your life depends on the old start button then you need to learn how to be more efficient. Bring on the newer, better stuff.

Where's the option for "I've only ever used the Developer Preview and have only a vague idea what interacting with the Start screen will actually be like by the time this goes RTM, so making any assumptions about how it'll feel right now makes me look like a presumptuous, ignorant douchebag"?

Cuz I'd check that.

No way I would disable it until after working with it, in spite of my preconceptions.
Microsoft doesn't make changes to paradigm without some inkling; they spend billions on UI development.

I'll give them the benefit of a doubt.

Regression_88 said,
No way I would disable it until after working with it, in spite of my preconceptions.
Microsoft doesn't make changes to paradigm without some inkling; they spend billions on UI development.

I'll give them the benefit of a doubt.

well they could do them selves a favor a save a few billion
if they simply asked what their customers want rather than telling them

And hey ladies and gentleman lets not forget the obvious..
MICROSOFT WANTS MONEY !
So their billion dollar UI research dept. is obviously going to be trying to think
of a way to pry Windows 7 away from customers and get them into a flashy new Windows 8 OS
..hence the retarded UI crap

And all you "Its only a preview you can't know yet" people ARE NOT GETTING IT
We have seen enough of the concept thus far to know.
How do you people not get THAT ?

The numbers speak for themselves, look at the poll.

I am Not PCyr said,

The numbers speak for themselves, look at the poll.

Th problem is, the general public (non-neowin-checking-tech-people, aka a huge market for Windows) could very well feel differently. The people I've shown Windows 8 to have actually had really good reception to it. My point is that this poll, hosted by a news site who's readers have a fair technical background, doesn't really show how Windows 8 will be received. (not that I think it will be receied well, but just saying thiat to take this poll as 'proof' of it floping in the general market isn't right)

There's no option for my choice:

No, I would default to the Start Screen but primarily use the Desktop.

.. because the first thing you do when you start your OS is launch an app, and the Start Screen is an app launcher. Things are fine how they are. Who wrote this poll?

I defaulted to the StartScreen/new menu (basically the old 9x/NT menu pruned of post-XP addons and rebooted in a new design language) with the DP, and will stay that way for the CP - and that's on a traditional desktop.

The reason is rather simple - what did I use all those post-XP add-ons for? The answer is *nothing*. I pin exactly nothing to the Taskbar any more (after an original orgy of pinning in the early days of IE9, I went saved in the browser itself)' "Classic" Control Panel I can get to via the Run box (no mouse-clicks at all), etc.

Therefore, the post-XP menu is completely irrelevant.

The desktop itself is unchanged. The StartScreen I'll see once in a blue moon (if that) - like when starting the PC, or if there's a WinRT application I *choose to use*. If there's a Win32 *game* I want to play, I'll click it's desktop shortcut. (That remains completely unchanged.) (For the nonce, the StartScreen is also largely irrelevant.)

That, however, makes Immersive *quite relevant* because it's de-cluttered. Simple. Sparse in the right way. It's also easy to mouse around in.

PGHammer said
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We already got it - you pointed it out in about every thread on neowin: You hate everything that was added to the start menu after Windows 2000… Too bad many people don't agree with you…

Disabling first chance I get, live tiles are useless for me, a bunch of boxes filling my screen I need to scroll to see them all, no thanks.

Look at how things are on OS X. You don't lose context because the Dock Bar is always there. Spotlight is an overlay on the desktop, it doesn't switch you out of the entire screen like Windows 8 search does. Why can't Microsoft get that we don't want the tablet UI paradigm on the desktop?

This is the most abusrd poll I've seen on neowin.
What you are doing is perpetuating the myth that the new start screen has feature parity with the old start menu. This is simply untrue.

If you can imagine how this poll would have been written 20 some years ago it would look like this:

When Windows 3.11 is realeased, will you disable it and stay in DOS?

This is how fundamental the new Start Screen is going forward. The paradigm shift that will be enabled by this shift is just as much of a game changer as the GUI was to CLI.

Today when we tech geeks go around the world and come accross DOS apps running business systems we find it laughable.
To everyone who wants to 'disable the start screen' on any platform, I find you just as laughable.

dotf said,
This is the most abusrd poll I've seen on neowin.
What you are doing is perpetuating the myth that the new start screen has feature parity with the old start menu. This is simply untrue.

If you can imagine how this poll would have been written 20 some years ago it would look like this:

When Windows 3.11 is realeased, will you disable it and stay in DOS?

This is how fundamental the new Start Screen is going forward. The paradigm shift that will be enabled by this shift is just as much of a game changer as the GUI was to CLI.

Today when we tech geeks go around the world and come accross DOS apps running business systems we find it laughable.
To everyone who wants to 'disable the start screen' on any platform, I find you just as laughable.

How does the new start screen improve productivity? Right now with the Windows 7 taskbar I can see at a glance which applications are running and through jump lists I can easily launch the document or project with only 2 clicks. Also the taskbar is always visible, which is important to me. Windows 8 takes all of this away.

smoledman said,
...

Excellent. That is a productive way to set up your classic desktop, bypassing the need for a 'start menu'

The start screen will just enhance your experience.

I need access to all my important files, I like to organise them in folders but I don't always have the time so the desktop is just great. The new style of interface will be switched off straight away by me - it reminds me too much of basic apps that does not let you dig deep into them, that's fine with an app because I can choose something else but this is my OS.

If I need an app then I know where it is, I don't need it constantly in my face. I love the Explorer enhancements in 8 and if these had been added to the Win 7 interface then I would have been on it (if they had been added to the XP interface, minus its dodgy colours, then I would be throwing money at it).

I find it a shame that MS really hit on something with XP but they tried to change everything. 7 is great but its enhancements would have been brilliant if added to the Explorer view of XP.

MS - We are not moving to Linux or MacOS - All we ask is customisation and a good deal of control over what happens with our files. No gimmicks, no fancy see through tool bars - apps can provide all that. The OS is so important and it underpins everything we do. Make it strong and able to adapt to the individual.

" I would default to the Start Screen and use the Desktop occasionally"

i don't have any problem with "change" from one thing to another
my focus will be on the start screen more than desktop on my desktop and laptop

"Yes, I would default to Desktop but still use the Start Screen over Start Menu - 20.4%"

I do like the regular Desktop, but I do like the app and file search bar you can bring up on the side. The start-menu was always so small, it could always have benefited from a larger window (like how Metro does it) IMO.

55.5% when I voted prefer desktop over Start screen. I want the Start Screen ONLY on touch-based tablets and would disable it on desktops and laptops and any non-touch devices.

When did my computer become a smartphone with an undersized low rez display with poor input sensitivity that demanded a bastardized cut rate UI to deal with those issues?

I think they forget WHY those UIs were made, and why they are effective on phones- it's because they can't work with MICE for the full desktop experience. Even if I drove my screen by thumb (ya, cause touchscreens are just *everywhere* on pcs right now... sure..), it would still be sensitive enough on a 19" (or higher) display to drive a desktop instead of a a few massive 1/3 of the screen panels.

Xepol said,
And for those who say try it first - I did, I hated it.

Of course you did. The Apps included in the DP were made by a group of college students in 3 weeks.
Imagine what the professional and hobbyist communites could build.

Tender Foot said,
Regular Desktop => Start Menu or bust I won't touch windows 8, I haven't been keeping up with Windows 8

So you haven't been keeping up with Windows 8, yet you made up your mind already? You're worse than those that have made their mind up after only the DP, or the kinds that say they don't like fish fingers yet have never tried them

TCLN Ryster said,

So you haven't been keeping up with Windows 8, yet you made up your mind already? You're worse than those that have made their mind up after only the DP, or the kinds that say they don't like fish fingers yet have never tried them

To be fair, fish fingers are gross...

I'll probably use the start screen because I absolutely hate the default start menu and superbar in Windows 7. They're a giant waste of space for someone like me and make things incredibly redundant. The only strength of the start menu in my opinion is that you can still use it while within a window.

Davo said,
I'll probably use the start screen because I absolutely hate the default start menu and superbar in Windows 7. They're a giant waste of space for someone like me and make things incredibly redundant. The only strength of the start menu in my opinion is that you can still use it while within a window.

Are you kidding? The Window 7 taskbar is just about the greatest thing since sliced bread. Jump lists alone are worth the price of admission.

smoledman said,

Are you kidding? The Window 7 taskbar is just about the greatest thing since sliced bread. Jump lists alone are worth the price of admission.

It's his opinion

I'll definitely default to desktop on my laptop/desktop. Other than that I can't really say much until I get to use it. I honestly don't care all that much as long as I can launch an app as quickly and easily as I can with Windows 7. Yes, I do use the Start Menu quite often but again, until I get to use it I can't say. That being said, definitely looking towards my first shiny Windows 8 tablet

As a software developer, I still expect to spend most of my time with the desktop interface, but I am not too afraid of losing the start menu because I doubt that they would cut it for stupid reasons. After all, I can still put it on the start screen and launch from there, or just search for it.

There is part of me that is concerned how I will just look through my applications like I currently do under All Programs sometimes (usually for something whose name I cannot quite remember as I use it infrequently), but it's such an irregular use case that I wonder if it will really be an issue at all. I do believe that we can open the search menu and it will list everything until you start to provide reasons to cut things out, which is effectively a better All Programs anyway.

pickypg said,
As a software developer

Have you spent time thinking about how your Applications could benefit from the WinRT, as you migrate to Metro Apps?

On my desktops?

"Yes, I would never use the Start Screen and want nothing to link to it"

On my future tablet/ipad similar?

"No, I would default to the Start Screen and use the Desktop occasionally"

I would use both the desktop and new start Screen normally as needed, I honestly don't see what's the big deal with the new Start Screen, I think it can even be better, think about it, you don't have to go anywhere to open your favorite stuff when you start your computer everything is just there, you just point and click and just start using what ever you want.

Ely said,
I would use both the desktop and new start Screen normally as needed, I honestly don't see what's the big deal with the new Start Screen, I think it can even be better, think about it, you don't have to go anywhere to open your favorite stuff when you start your computer everything is just there, you just point and click and just start using what ever you want.

How dare you bring common sense into this argument! ;-)

I agree wholeheartedly. People are judging this thing based on an early shell of a product, with no content, that was clearly not meant to demonstrate the UI to consumers. When the CP is released, and we get some actual apps and content for the Start Sreen I bet lots of people will change their minds.

This poll is silly. No one has even used the Start screen yet, just a very early version of it that was included in the developer preview.

You should have waited until next month to post this poll...

This the most stupid question Ive heard for a really long time!

Why would anyone want to install Win8 and use it only in desktop mode? If you want desktop, use Win7. It works great, trust me!

Palpatine said,
This the most stupid question Ive heard for a really long time!

Why would anyone want to install Win8 and use it only in desktop mode? If you want desktop, use Win7. It works great, trust me!

Because Microsoft will force OEMs to install Win8 on all new PCs.

This article is just calling for Microsoft hate and it doesn't even specify any device (because you'll be using them all differently, obviously). You could just have waited 20 days before writing this article.. (CP)

ahhell said,
How about another option: Wait until the bloody thing is released before deciding?

Don't be silly, Neowin likes to post troll and flame bait polls like this occasionally to keep the community active on the site

NO! Definitely not! People are far too negative about this and if we always went by everyones fears, we would never make progress! Sorry to those nay sayers out there, but I love it!

winlonghorn said,
NO! Definitely not! People are far too negative about this and if we always went by everyones fears, we would never make progress! Sorry to those nay sayers out there, but I love it!

Except its a regression.

I'll use Start Screen as the new Start menu. I just love how in Win8CP you can organize and name tile groups. And Semantic View with mouse support is exactly what I was waiting for. Compared to Start menu, now looking for a program will be way more easier than before.

I can't say I see myself using Metro Apps yet. As always it will depend of the apps out there.

you're asking this question at the wrong time, neowin. I'm confident there are those who will vote no, who after playing with w8, will change their minds.

hougtimo said,
you're asking this question at the wrong time, neowin. I'm confident there are those who will vote no, who after playing with w8, will change their minds.

Played with wdp expecting the wcp to be the same in terms of the ui .

WDP had no point of using start screen , but now WCP will have gmail integration , music app , photos app , facebook (socialite sucked ) etc which actually kills most of the needs . I mean now if i boot into my system , i will have notifications and tiles yelling out the info i need already , no need to even click Firefox logo on superbar , then type in gmail , then wait for it to load then read. In my opinion Start screen from WCP will make a lot more sense..

bogas04 said,
WDP had no point of using start screen , but now WCP will have gmail integration , music app , photos app , facebook (socialite sucked ) etc which actually kills most of the needs . I mean now if i boot into my system , i will have notifications and tiles yelling out the info i need already , no need to even click Firefox logo on superbar , then type in gmail , then wait for it to load then read. In my opinion Start screen from WCP will make a lot more sense..

Exactly this. So instead of opening lots of apps to check email, social networks, and so forth. You just glance at the live tiles.
When we eventually get official Facebook, Twitter etc apps, it'll be so much better too!

But just thinking, currently the question is mis-leading. Most people's opinions are coming from not trying it at all, or the WDP, which was feature-incomplete, buggy and so on. What'd you expect from a M3 build to develop apps.

From various posts, the WCP looks very stable and a joy to use on a desktop. I for one can't wait to use it. As someone pointed out, it's more productive. Why go open Facebook, email, messenging, etc. When you can see if you got a notification on the start-screen.

Possession said,
But just thinking, currently the question is mis-leading. Most people's opinions are coming from not trying it at all, or the WDP, which was feature-incomplete, buggy and so on. What'd you expect from a M3 build to develop apps.

From various posts, the WCP looks very stable and a joy to use on a desktop. I for one can't wait to use it. As someone pointed out, it's more productive. Why go open Facebook, email, messenging, etc. When you can see if you got a notification on the start-screen.


I too am looking forward to all the apps I use having live tiles on the start screen. I plan to only go to the classic desktop for advanced tasks such as web development, and graphics work in photoshop. Everything else I use (including games, which launch full screen anyway) will exist beautifully in Metro.

What I would love is the ability to have the choice. In a multi monitor setup, it would be fantastic to have one of the screens have the start screen up whilst desktop mode on the other screen. That way we can constantly see live tiles.

TheDisneyMagic said,
What I would love is the ability to have the choice. In a multi monitor setup, it would be fantastic to have one of the screens have the start screen up whilst desktop mode on the other screen. That way we can constantly see live tiles.

Currently I do believe it'll start like that. The only problem is, when working on the desktop side, the start screen closes. Hopefully they fixed that in the WCP.

TheDisneyMagic said,
What I would love is the ability to have the choice. In a multi monitor setup, it would be fantastic to have one of the screens have the start screen up whilst desktop mode on the other screen. That way we can constantly see live tiles.

Erm, that's how it already is (at least it was in the Dev Preview). By default on a dual monitor system, the Start Screen will launch on your primary monitor, and classic desktop will be on the other. With a handle toggle button on the taskbar to swap the two around.

Regarding Possession's post, that wasn't my experience in the DP. I had stuff open and working on the classic desktop and it didn't effect the Metro side at all.

gate1975mlm said,
I mean really would that be so F-ing bad?

Yes. Microsoft want developers to only make Metro-style apps based on the WinRT APIs. The old Win32 APIs are getting old, inefficient and insecure.

Meph said,

Yes. Microsoft want developers to only make Metro-style apps based on the WinRT APIs. The old Win32 APIs are getting old, inefficient and insecure.

What Win32 APIs has to do with the horrible Start screen/Tiles ?

Meph said,

Yes. Microsoft want developers to only make Metro-style apps based on the WinRT APIs. The old Win32 APIs are getting old, inefficient and insecure.

How can an old api get insecure, do they have a best before date?

Martin5000 said,

How can an old api get insecure, do they have a best before date?

The more legacy code involved, the more you have to worry about.

alexalex said,
What Win32 APIs has to do with the horrible Start screen/Tiles ?

Nothing. That is the point.
This whole poll is stupid becaue it won't be up to you, the user. If the apps you want to use are Metro/WinRT, then you'll use Start Screen. If the application you want to use is based on Win32/x64 then you'll use classic desktop.

As more and more developers jump on the WinRT/Metro bandwagon, there will be more compelling reasons to use the start screen on every form factor.

Meph said,
The old Win32 APIs are getting old, inefficient and insecure.

[] You know that most of WinRT is just wrappers around Win32 and .NET…

Based on the WDP, no use for the Start Screen, but WCP/RTM might change that. Really hard to judge an unfinished product.

RedOak said,
Based on the WDP, no use for the Start Screen, but WCP/RTM might change that. Really hard to judge an unfinished product.

That's what I think. From various posts, the WCP has really improved the use of mouse+keyboard.

Not sure yet, I haven't used the start screen much since the Developer Preview didn't work very well on my PC, if I buy a touch screen laptop or tablet pc I would use the Start screen but on my desktop not sure yet

There is no way of disabling the start screen afaik. They removed that ability in recent builds. Shsxs.dll doesn't exist anymore and the RPEnabled=0 key doesn't do anything.

floopydoodle said,
There is no way of disabling the start screen afaik. They removed that ability in recent builds. Shsxs.dll doesn't exist anymore and the RPEnabled=0 key doesn't do anything.
:-(

floopydoodle said,
There is no way of disabling the start screen afaik. They removed that ability in recent builds. Shsxs.dll doesn't exist anymore and the RPEnabled=0 key doesn't do anything.
:-(

floopydoodle said,
There is no way of disabling the start screen afaik. They removed that ability in recent builds. Shsxs.dll doesn't exist anymore and the RPEnabled=0 key doesn't do anything.

They are completely mad to force this on people, even if it is good, you can't force through such a massive change in one go.

Having it optional, and then if it becomes popular forcing it on in windows 9 or 10 might work.

floopydoodle said,
There is no way of disabling the start screen afaik. They removed that ability in recent builds. Shsxs.dll doesn't exist anymore and the RPEnabled=0 key doesn't do anything.

Yay!

Martin5000 said,
They are completely mad to force this on people, even if it is good, you can't force through such a massive change in one go.

Having it optional, and then if it becomes popular forcing it on in windows 9 or 10 might work.

People are made if they think that it's adding more click to perform actions where is doesn't. Also you can now create apps group and manually sort them which wasn't available before. Also when you are searching for an apps/file, you get more result per page.

So now, give us a single reason to keep the old start menu?

floopydoodle said,
There is no way of disabling the start screen afaik. They removed that ability in recent builds. Shsxs.dll doesn't exist anymore and the RPEnabled=0 key doesn't do anything.

Might I ask how you know this? Just wondering...

Ooooh. This'll be controversial. XD But the problem is that you most likely won't be able to set the desktop as the default. You might be able to do it via a Group Policy, but that's becoming less and less likely, now.

Keep it as it was. There is nothing wrong with Windows 7. Sure make a tablet OS for tablets but do not force that garbage on traditional pc form factors and input methods as it does not work, at least in the form they are forcing.

At minimum give a configuration choice on install whether to use that rubbish or not or keep it like Windows 7.

Digitalx said,
Keep it as it was. There is nothing wrong with Windows 7. Sure make a tablet OS for tablets but do not force that garbage on traditional pc form factors and input methods as it does not work, at least in the form they are forcing.

At minimum give a configuration choice on install whether to use that rubbish or not or keep it like Windows 7.

We've got to change someday, I know Windows 7 is brilliant. But they can't keep it and never change it. They'd got to try new things.

Digitalx said,
Keep it as it was. There is nothing wrong with Windows 7.

Sooooo, why are you upgrading at all? Stay on Windows 7 if there's nothing wrong with it.

Possession said,

We've got to change someday, I know Windows 7 is brilliant. But they can't keep it and never change it. They'd got to try new things.

Unfortunately what he says is the 'XP' philosophy where we should all crawl under a rock and not embrace change.

Possession said,

We've got to change someday, I know Windows 7 is brilliant. But they can't keep it and never change it. They'd got to try new things.

Sure, nothing wrong with that. But there's zero practicality of using a touch screen on a desktop monitor, no need for it, no use for it. So why force a user interface and UX intended and designed for such purpose on a desktop or a notebook... It's as stupid as running a desktop OS like ubuntu or Windows 7 on a mobile phone.

Would it be too hard for them to have a tick box to go No I do not want this touch interface.

Either change and adapt properly or don't force wrong platform UI/X onto traditional forms that have been proven successful for past 15 years. I'd support it if it wasn't intended for a niche market like tablets and was something actually changed but it's not it's just a big fugly screen with 96x96 necessarily large icons and pointless horizontal scrolling.

Tony. said,

Unfortunately what he says is the 'XP' philosophy where we should all crawl under a rock and not embrace change.

No it's not. I'm all for embracing new stuff so long as it's both practical and appropriate. I had XP, Vista when they came out and 7. This is the first time I won't be because there's nothing practical or appropriate about this interface or design. And to add to that this is even more garbage then what vista was hogging under the hood because other then long term problems out of sight, this is an immediate in your face one and you have have zero choice to change this.

All I want is the choice to not have it on Windows. If other people like this tablet mess on a desktop or notebook or whatever then by all means let them but those who don't want it should have a choice and this isn't exactly hard to do or much to ask for specially if they expect us to pay $200-300 for it. If they don't then I'll just keep advising people I help with computers not to bother with this as I did with vista.

I love startscreen. But the desktop needs a search bar to search from within it. Like a launcher.
I will download a 3rd party one and then win8 will be awesome!

Zain Adeel said,
I love startscreen. But the desktop needs a search bar to search from within it. Like a launcher.
I will download a 3rd party one and then win8 will be awesome!

Even so, what's the difference? It's still Start+Type to search, just as it was in Windows 7.

I would like it to work this way:

On my desktop: Default to the desktop and old start menu. Metro still available, though won't be used very much.

On my convertible Tablet PC: How it works right now. Default to metro and start screen.

mrp04 said,
I would like it to work this way:

On my desktop: Default to the desktop and old start menu. Metro still available, though won't be used very much.

On my convertible Tablet PC: How it works right now. Default to metro and start screen.

Same here

GS:mac

Touch Device => Start Screen
Regular Desktop => Start Menu
And please just include a simple option to switch between them. On my workstation with 2x24" I don't want to be using the Start Screen.
And secondly, when there would be an option to switch, don't hide the start button when you choose to use the regular Start Menu.

Carl2 said,
Touch Device => Start Screen
Regular Desktop => Start Menu
And please just include a simple option to switch between them. On my workstation with 2x24" I don't want to be using the Start Screen.
And secondly, when there would be an option to switch, don't hide the start button when you choose to use the regular Start Menu.

You are aware that on your "workstation with 2x24" that you'll automatically get the Start Screen on one, and classic desktop on the other, with an easy button on the taskbar to swap them around... right? (At least thats how the Dev Preview worked)

TCLN Ryster said,

You are aware that on your "workstation with 2x24" that you'll automatically get the Start Screen on one, and classic desktop on the other, with an easy button on the taskbar to swap them around... right? (At least thats how the Dev Preview worked)

I didn't know that so it's cool that Microsoft thought about multiple Desktops. A lot of people including myself thought the screen would get blanked out and span across the different monitors but this seems like a good option,

Think these results will probably change as people get used to it and more specific content is delivered. However, hardcore guys may never fully accept it (having said that, they're probably on CLI anyway!!)

Possession said,
Nope, I love it and find it a good concept mainly with live tiles.

Ditto. I have no problem going to the desktop if I need to use photochop or dreamweaver, or some other non-metro app. But for my day to day computer use like the new interface.

Glassed Silver said,
"Yes, I don't mind the Start Screen but prefer the Desktop and Start Menu"

GS:mac


Stop using that GS:mac tag, it sucks.

Glassed Silver said,

Not for you.

Stop trolling.

GS:mac


hmm....I know I must be missing something obvious, but is there a meaning to it? as in, a movie reference or something? I've actually wondered about it for a while....

Matthew_Thepc said,

hmm....I know I must be missing something obvious, but is there a meaning to it? as in, a movie reference or something? I've actually wondered about it for a while....

GS is an abbreviation for my username.
Then comes the OS I'm posting from.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,

GS is an abbreviation for my username.
Then comes the OS I'm posting from.

GS:mac


ah, I thought there might be something else, thanks for clearing it up for me

causa45 said,
All I want is my Desktop, really.
So you have voted "Yes, I would never use the Start Screen and want nothing to link to it - 25.4%"? Because unless you have no clue about how it works, I don't see why you wouldn't use it

Anthonyd said,
So you have voted "Yes, I would never use the Start Screen and want nothing to link to it - 25.4%"? Because unless you have no clue about how it works, I don't see why you wouldn't use it

Well I did use the dev preview and metro ui is one of the worst ui's currently out there.

krustylicious said,
Well I did use the dev preview and metro ui is one of the worst ui's currently out there.
Dev preview isn't a good example, there are barely any metro apps out there expected mini games, it's called a "dev preview" not "customer preview" for nothing.

Anthonyd said,
So you have voted "Yes, I would never use the Start Screen and want nothing to link to it - 25.4%"? Because unless you have no clue about how it works, I don't see why you wouldn't use it

That's why I voted, yes, I saw some pictures of it and I didn't like it, I like Window's concept and I'll stick to it, I'll try it never the less when I should get my hands onto Win8.

Anthonyd said,
Dev preview isn't a good example, there are barely any metro apps out there expected mini games, it's called a "dev preview" not "customer preview" for nothing.

Preview does give a large insight into the way things are heading, and most people don't like it, you may disagree.

Anthonyd said,
So you have voted "Yes, I would never use the Start Screen and want nothing to link to it - 25.4%"? Because unless you have no clue about how it works, I don't see why you wouldn't use it

I used it and found it was a retarded thing to have for my PC UI, so I would not use it. What makes you think people don't have a clue about how it works? We used it in the Developer Preview.

devHead said,
I used it and found it was a retarded thing to have for my PC UI, so I would not use it. What makes you think people don't have a clue about how it works? We used it in the Developer Preview.
Not everybody tried the DP. Do you really think that the DP is good example of the final experience you'll have? Sorry but I have to disagree on that point since the marketplace isn't opened yet and the few apps who are on the DP are just dumb minigames.

devHead said,

I used it and found it was a retarded thing to have for my PC UI, so I would not use it. What makes you think people don't have a clue about how it works? We used it in the Developer Preview.

No you didn't. You used an early shell of the product that was clearly unfinished and missing half (or more) of it's features and functionality, not to mention missing any useful content for it. The start screen WAS useless in the DP, thats not in debate.

Yes, an early shell that will still exist and will be the only start menu/screen that exists in the Beta or CP and like RTM. Unless you know something no one else does and have information that the 'early shell' is going to be different from the final one. But you can't know that, right?

Anthonyd said,
Not everybody tried the DP. Do you really think that the DP is good example of the final experience you'll have? Sorry but I have to disagree on that point since the marketplace isn't opened yet and the few apps who are on the DP are just dumb minigames.

But I don't want a user interface designed for a phone on my PC screen that I can't touch. That's all I'm saying. I don't care how many apps they'll have on the start screen, I don't a want a smartphone or tablet interface on my PC monitor. Ever. Stop defending a UI that isn't designed for my PC.

Anthonyd said,
Dev preview isn't a good example, there are barely any metro apps out there expected mini games, it's called a "dev preview" not "customer preview" for nothing.

The basic ui conecpt is flawed ..

devHead said,
Yes, an early shell that will still exist and will be the only start menu/screen that exists in the Beta or CP and like RTM. Unless you know something no one else does and have information that the 'early shell' is going to be different from the final one. But you can't know that, right?

You clearly missed the point, which was that you cannot possible know how you'll like the start screen in the final release (or even the CP for that matter) based on an early preview of that screen that was largely unfinished, missing most of it's functionality (ie. keyboard/mouse interraction), and with no content available to make it useful. I am agreeing with you that the Start Screen was useless in the DP.

Anthonyd said,
So you have voted "Yes, I would never use the Start Screen and want nothing to link to it - 25.4%"? Because unless you have no clue about how it works, I don't see why you wouldn't use it

I simply think it's a waste of space on a PC, and I really don't need to look further than that. I use all of my desktop, and everything is a single click away on my desktop and taskbar. Same with the ribbon junk, why should I have to hide a ribbon window each time I do something I've been doing for years, just to have the same amount of work-space? I know of many users that choose not to use IE simply because they want their clickable links at the top, but also want it to take up less space. That and the spell check that should have been in IE long ago, yeah I know you can get plugins, oh snap no plugins in IE10? lol

devHead said,
Yes, an early shell that will still exist and will be the only start menu/screen that exists in the Beta or CP and like RTM. Unless you know something no one else does and have information that the 'early shell' is going to be different from the final one. But you can't know that, right?

All recent Microsoft demos and the CES demos do show it to be more functional with a lot of differing behaviors than are in developer preview. Anyone paying attention does know that what we've actually used to date is only a rough draft at best.

The only thing no one knows yet is what the final Windows 8 release version will look like, and no one will until that build is created. Maybe it'll be great, maybe it'll suck. I don't know any better than anyone else here.

devHead said,

I used it and found it was a retarded thing to have for my PC UI, so I would not use it. What makes you think people don't have a clue about how it works? We used it in the Developer Preview.

A retarded thing?

I agree!!

justmike said,

I simply think it's a waste of space on a PC, and I really don't need to look further than that. I use all of my desktop, and everything is a single click away on my desktop and taskbar. Same with the ribbon junk, why should I have to hide a ribbon window each time I do something I've been doing for years, just to have the same amount of work-space? I know of many users that choose not to use IE simply because they want their clickable links at the top, but also want it to take up less space. That and the spell check that should have been in IE long ago, yeah I know you can get plugins, oh snap no plugins in IE10? lol


All metro apps are chromeless, so it's not a waste of space. Also the ribbon is minimized by default. And IE10 won't have plugin for the metro version only (since it's sandboxed, hence secured).
So yeah, you have no clue about what you are talking about.