When does DPI become Irrelevant?

Just when we thought the world wasn't big enough for another gaming mouse, Razer unveils the Lachesis—a 4000 dpi behemoth. Not sure how fast that is? Take your average mouse and multiply its speed and sensitivity by five. Most non-gaming mice clock in around the 800 dpi range, while today's gaming mice peak at a blistering 3200 dpi. Razer's Speedy Gonzales (if you will) reminds us of a popular quote from Nvidia Chief Scientist David Kirk: "Why use a screwdriver when you can use a sledgehammer?"

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the only difference i felt on wireless is its weight, some people prefer heavy weight mice but me i prefer light weight. And no wireless don't lag on gaming, I have (Logitech G7 & MS Habu).

I have a razer death adder (2,000 DPI), and no matter how fast I move it, it is accurate and tracks properly. Now where the death adder and all current optical mice do SUCK at is with lift-off tracking (lift the mouse to reposition it and instead the cursor/game moves). I get killed in CSSource constantly because of it. Fixing that might have been much more interesting than improving tracking most people can't possibly find fault with. Good thing the Roccat Kone gaming mouse comes out this month/early next month, it incorporates a sensor that cuts off the movement update when the mouse is lifted. If you've never had a problem with lift-off, good for you, but it is a constant annoyance for a lot of people.

i have never had a problem with lift off tracking, but then again that could be because im using an icemat... i dunnoe if that makes any difference...

like does higher dpi just mean that you have to turn down the sensitivity even more? ive read somewhere that if you turn down your sensitivity in windows, your game sensitivity goes down as well and you are throwing DPI away...

Harreh said,
@ J_R_G Err... I'm pretty sure this mouse has the exact feature you want...

I asked some of the early Lachesis buyers about lift-off, they said it was 5 mm's, 5 times the death adder's. If it has some driver option for distance adjustment I've seen nobody and not even the razerzone web site mention it.

carmatic said,
i have never had a problem with lift off tracking, but then again that could be because im using an icemat... i dunnoe if that makes any difference...

like does higher dpi just mean that you have to turn down the sensitivity even more? ive read somewhere that if you turn down your sensitivity in windows, your game sensitivity goes down as well and you are throwing DPI away...

Well, you turn down the sensitivity so the mouse moves less fast, but increase dpi to increase resolution and thus accuracy.

As far as the icemat, I've seen people on razerblueprints.net forums (a forum dedicated to razer products) comment on it and it's lift-off tracking distance is not much different than most other surfaces. Like I said, it's good you don't notice it, though it's my opinion that people notice it but don't know it and just attribute getting fragged in a game to other factors, no way to know for sure though. Probably the only reason I notice is because I just recently switched from using ball mice where as most gamers have always used optical since they are new comers to this stuff.
I find optical way more accurate for long/medium range shots (like in cssource) but find I am constantly fumbling around and being clumsy up-close because I can't do the lift-off repositions I want to. I was looking forward to the lachesis because it was reported that it's lift-off tracking distance was half that of the death adder's, but lachesis buyers on razerblueprints.net confirmed it was actually 5 times as high.

Yeah, I read it here:
http://www.razerzone.com/3G/laser.php
the paragraph to the right of the picture of that machine.
Obviously spin, but I'm not too fussed about that problem and don't intend to get that mouse.

Also, I'm better at the short range firing than the long range in cssource.. I don't find I need to reposition my mouse alot since I have alot of mouse space and if you know where they are gonna come from.. well you can just aim there before they're there.

Most of it is down to personal preference I guess.

The mouse DPI already stopped being relevant over 3 years ago and is now only there for manufacturers to profit from insecure FPS gamers with.

Jugalator said,
The mouse DPI already stopped being relevant over 3 years ago and is now only there for manufacturers to profit from insecure FPS gamers with.

Just like $600 video cards, if the gamers continue to buy them, the companies can justify such things as "high" prices and frivolous or over-the-top features.

I think it actually looks pretty sleek. And the whole wire/wireless debate and everything, its all fanboy debates. Grow up and get some facts, that goes for both sides.

edit- although i still havent found a mouse to replace my Logitech mx518 =]

It's the same with digital cameras and the "megapixel" race. More is better......
I'd rather have a fast stable device at a lower resolution, than chase some fantasy that
if the number of x is higher, it must be better.

naap51stang said,
It's the same with digital cameras and the "megapixel" race. More is better......
I'd rather have a fast stable device at a lower resolution, than chase some fantasy that
if the number of x is higher, it must be better.

While I get what you're saying and agree with the message, I don't agree that it's the same with digital cameras. If you want to do massive prints, you need more megapixels (arguably there are creative ways around this, but those are still work-arounds). If you're just looking at pictures on your computer or posting things to the web, then you're right on.

I think a better analogy could be made with cars (this shows that I read /. too much...). If car makers were claiming that they had cars that could go 300 MPH and then another maker claimed they had one that could go 800 MPH, it'd be relatively similar here: it wouldn't matter. For cars, nobody is realistically going to go over 90 MPH anyway, so the extra speed doesn't make a difference. I know there are some gamers out there who like to claim differently about their mice and gaming, but I have a slight theory about that and it's related to sore losers and/or poor skills.

Ledgem said,

While I get what you're saying and agree with the message, I don't agree that it's the same with digital cameras. If you want to do massive prints, you need more megapixels (arguably there are creative ways around this, but those are still work-arounds). If you're just looking at pictures on your computer or posting things to the web, then you're right on.

Actually when it comes to quality there are issues far more improtant than megapixels on cameras. just compare a Nikon D40 with the comparable range Canon camera(the canon has like twice the mpx) and you'll notice that those extra megapixels are useless because the Canons can't make use of them, and the Nikon gives just as good pictures because the Canon pictures can'tbe enlarged anymore than the Nikons due to the image quality.


anyway that's beside the point.

"Why use a screwdriver when you can use a sledgehammer?"

ok, here is why:

1. my hand can move fast enough (just perfectly) to kill those enemies in CoD and similar.
2. a sledgehammer has less prececision (this might sound strange, but when it comes down to moving your gun/coursor just a lil bit you'll enjoy if you aint got a hypersensitive mouse.
3. it's horribly ugly!

Glassed Silver:mac

metal_dragen said,

Of course it's ugly. It's made by Razer. Everyone should know by now that Razer = ugly.


I disagree; I think Razer mice look a lot better than the chunky beasts that Logitech and similar make. And, by the way, everyone should know that judgements such as those of physical appearance are a matter of opinion, and so should not necessarily be common knowledge.

Gilly said,

I disagree; I think Razer mice look a lot better than the chunky beasts that Logitech and similar make. And, by the way, everyone should know that judgements such as those of physical appearance are a matter of opinion, and so should not necessarily be common knowledge.

i dont by mice based on what they look like
its how they perform

Glassed Silver said,

ok, here is why:

1. my hand can move fast enough (just perfectly) to kill those enemies in CoD and similar.
2. a sledgehammer has less prececision (this might sound strange, but when it comes down to moving your gun/coursor just a lil bit you'll enjoy if you aint got a hypersensitive mouse.
3. it's horribly ugly!

Glassed Silver:mac

1: But can your mouse keep up? I've used a few standard optical mice, and they totally go hay-wire when I flick my mouse really fast.

2: With my 2000dpi mouse I'm quite happy with moving my cursor a tiny fraction. I just have the sensitivity quite low. It takes about 2 feet of distance for me to do a 180 degree turn. I can just turn the sensitivity down more if I had a 4000dpi mouse.

3: Yes. This mouse looks really ugly. I'd like to see actual pictures though-not stock photos.
But the other mice look nice.

Harreh said,

1: But can your mouse keep up? I've used a few standard optical mice, and they totally go hay-wire when I flick my mouse really fast.

2: With my 2000dpi mouse I'm quite happy with moving my cursor a tiny fraction. I just have the sensitivity quite low. It takes about 2 feet of distance for me to do a 180 degree turn. I can just turn the sensitivity down more if I had a 4000dpi mouse.

3: Yes. This mouse looks really ugly. I'd like to see actual pictures though-not stock photos.
But the other mice look nice.

1: yes

2: turning down sensitivity sounds ridiculous to me, why pay for more if you dont need it... this might not aply to you, but to me it does, which was my actual point

Glassed Silver:mac

The grammar in the title of this article is pretty bad... "When is too many DPI too much?" - by using the term 'too many' you've already implied it's 'too much', so the answer to when is too many DPI too much is 'always'.

Oh my God, I'm a prick. :ponder:

X'tyfe said,

umm, wireless is bad for gaming
and its a gaming mouse. makes sense? :D

Wireless doesn't matter for gaming mouse anymore outside of gamers thinking it matters and because they think so they believe there is a difference.

HawkMan said,

Wireless doesn't matter for gaming mouse anymore outside of gamers thinking it matters and because they think so they believe there is a difference.

Let me make a wild guess here... you don't game, do you? There IS a difference between wired and wireless when you're playing a game such as a FPS. I've tried wired and wireless. You can tell the wireless has some lag.

You've obviously never gamed with a MX1000, then. It's wireless, it doesn't lag.
It's called "Fast RF". You should get to know it.

RAID 0 said,

Let me make a wild guess here... you don't game, do you? There IS a difference between wired and wireless when you're playing a game such as a FPS. I've tried wired and wireless. You can tell the wireless has some lag.

Yes I do game, I've gamed with wired and wireless and as long as you have a prope rlogitech mousewith fastRF(not a BT mouse). you do NOT lag. the only difference is in your head. it's the same effect as when you do blind test with pills, the ones taking the fake pills will notice a difference as well.

Croquant said,
You've obviously never gamed with a MX1000, then. It's wireless, it doesn't lag.
It's called "Fast RF". You should get to know it.

You're right, I've never used it. A few "fast" mice compared to the countless "slow" mice.

I dont think wireless is laggy. The bigger issue is probably battery management and the fact that after a few seconds idle manyt wireless mice go to sleep to conserve battery. Probably not an issue in moste fast paced games, but in something a bit slower where you might stop for a bit it's possible that when you do need to move you have a short delay as the mouse wakes from sleep.

I know the MX1000 sleeps, the G7 may not as it is designed fir gamers and has a 2nd replaceable battery included. Last I read the G7 also went through battery alot quicker than the MX1000.

To be hnest I never stop moving enough for it to be an issue and I don't notice any real lag at all.