Adobe Flash is being bundled with Windows 8 Release Preview

 

Do you ever have the feeling like you are seeing a mirage, but you know in the back of your mind what you are looking at is real but you don’t want to believe it? That is what we are seeing here and are bringing it to your attention but do not know how it will play out.

According to a few posts on Winunleaked, the latest build of Windows 8 showed up with Flash, yes that Flash. Now, this is a bit interesting and it is being reported, put your hard hats on, that Adobe shared some source information with Microsoft to help bring Flash to Windows 8. We cannot confirm this information but the reason we are reporting it is that the source, we know, is reputable.

The idea of Flash being bundled with Windows 8 or even possibly be allowed to run in the Metro browser raises several alarms, especially since Microsoft has stated that the Metro browser will not support third-party plug-ins. But again, the evidence, if you can take Canouna’s word, is that Flash showed up after installing the Release Preview of Windows 8.

Interestingly, Flash was not only bundled, but was installed with the Release Preview. We have to admit, we are quite perplexed but possibly Adobe worked in some last minute magic with Microsoft to save the dying platform; currently Flash is not supported in build 8400 (Release Preview) in the Metro browser.

Additionally, Neowin was contacted by Microsoft’s outreach team to help us prepare our site for the launch of IE10. This was solely to help make sure our site would run smoothly in the plug-in-les browser which seems to contradict what we are seeing above.

We are a bit aloof on this idea but you can see the images yourself and we know the source is trustworthy. This does not mean that Flash will be shipping with RTM as the information is only surfacing quite late in the game, but it could.  

Also, Microsoft could possibly bundle Flash with Windows 8 so that when you do encounter a site that needs the plugin, it can seamlessly transition you to the desktop, hell if we know. 

It is quite possible that this was a slip-up by Microsoft, a ploy by someone else to introduce bogus content for some unknown reason, or possibly we are looking to deep in to something that may simply be a placeholder, possibly so. Hopefully we will get to the bottom of this soon, as for now, consider us perplexed. 

With the above noted, Rafael Rivera and Paul Thurrot also wrote up an independent article (as I was writing this) that states it is coming to the Metro browser by integrating it in to the browser; You can check out this post here.

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Analysts said Flash would be dead very soon. Flash runs quite well and it seems that the majority of sites are using Flash over HTML5

As long as this is handled properly and when i say properly i mean that however flash is integrated into Metro IE then it has a very strict level when it comes to sandboxing/job objects and is not easily used as an intermediary then i see no problem.
I`m sure the fact Microsoft have access to the code will enable them to fulfill this criteria and you won`t have tons of people screaming that they can`t watch videos in Metro IE.
Personally i think this will enhance the chances of Windows 8 being a success as the switching from Metro to Destop for certain sites will/should cease to be an issue!

I just think it's a horrible mistake to support Flash in any way, shape or form. Flash needs to DIE. COMPLETELY. I wish Adobe would just shut it down.

This is not a good move. Why are you going to put an outdated and security vulnerable flash player bundled and installed by default?
I thought Adobe and Microsoft had issues with each other?
Not only that, but what about Microsoft's own Silverlight 5.1 ?

Ben Ceniza said,
This is olds news. Flash is already in IE10 metro in Consumer preview. Am watching youtube from IE10 metro. Try it.

youtube is html5 … almost all of the stuff there.

Ben Ceniza said,
This is olds news. Flash is already in IE10 metro in Consumer preview. Am watching youtube from IE10 metro. Try it.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

They should not bundle it, because it will need updating even before the DVDs are burnt, unless they plan to update it with Microsoft Update

Why bitch around? Wow, just wow. You guys are unsatisfiable. No one, and no one IS FORCING YOU TO USE THAT. I can kind of understand the bitching about the Start Screen, but c'mon, this thing won't be seen, and I'm almost sure that you can disable it under the "Turn Windows Features on or off"

Jose_49 said,
Why bitch around? Wow, just wow. You guys are unsatisfiable. No one, and no one IS FORCING YOU TO USE THAT. I can kind of understand the bitching about the Start Screen, but c'mon, this thing won't be seen, and I'm almost sure that you can disable it under the "Turn Windows Features on or off"

Depends on what they're bitching about. The bundling of Flash means HTML 5 is nowhere near close to being ready for prime time as MS and others have suggested. Do not understimate the positive impact that being bundled with Windows 8 will have for Flash's longevity and the negative impact it will have on any competiting technologies in the near to mid future. Flash is flash, but HTML 5 has so much promise; obviously way off into the future.

MorganX said,

Depends on what they're bitching about. The bundling of Flash means HTML 5 is nowhere near close to being ready for prime time as MS and others have suggested. Do not understimate the positive impact that being bundled with Windows 8 will have for Flash's longevity and the negative impact it will have on any competiting technologies in the near to mid future. Flash is flash, but HTML 5 has so much promise; obviously way off into the future.

Indeed. As you said, until HTML 5 does not perform as good or better than flash there will be some usage for it. In my case, I prefer watching videos using the flash player rather than the native browser due to lag issues.

Furthermore, HTML 5 is still incomplete. When it becomes a defacto standard, there will be less need for the Flash we have today. Who knows, maybe Flash can evolve into something else, different, and upstanding, leaving us all drooling for its development.

article stated

Additionally, Neowin was contacted by Microsoft's outreach team to help us prepare our site for the launch of IE10. This was solely to help make sure our site would run smoothly in the plug-in-les browser which seems to contradict what we are seeing above.

Hmmm, so that's why buttons and links seems to be more touch friendly

NO! Microsoft, this is NOT a good idea .Flash will NOT give you a competitive advantage over the iPad.

Unless you did some unknown magic to make Flash more secure, one, just one malware issue related to Flash and you'll regret you did this.

Are we sure this windows 8 leaked build wasnt installed on a work network? IN system center you can have it install flash as if it was any other windows update.

Flash isn't perfect by any means but it's still in usage so much around the world it makes sense that Microsoft would want to make their browser compatible with as many websites as possible, it would give them a distinct advantage over the iPad and most Android tablets (as flash for Android development has ceased)

Flash a dying platform? *snort* Yes, I'm sure Adobe's just taking THAT one lying down... Has anyone who constantly champions flash as a dead thing to let die actually USED flash 11, or the tools used to create flash 11 content?

And compared it to HTML5/Javascript alternatives in a production envrioment?

Sure you can do a LOT of the same things on both platforms, and HTML5 is a huge step forward for a better web experince...but it's no where near as painless for creation. Flash has a huge amount of benifits... and beyond that, it's base AS3/flex stuff becoming a pretty mature and fast platform for pushing software to other systems, like the iPhone, Android, Desktop...

So, in 5 years when rapid application development and deployment still use AIR/Web flash hybrid approach remind me to go "HA HA" in passing as IE, Firefox, and Chrome are CONTINUING to compare penis sizes over how fast they can compile and run a fundamentally worse platform and language then AS3.

Personally I think that Adobe should just give up the whole flash player concept.
I think all Adobe needs to do is turn the flash software into an HTML5 editor. The flash software is great as an editor. But the actual player itself is glitchy And prone to crash. If they still want market visibility, then all they need to do is add something in the licensing terms which states that "Made in Adobe Flash CSx" will be added to and must stay within the right click context menu.

As for the portability of flash. Turn the flash player into a self contained HTML5 engine that will allow developers to keep the portability of .swf files.

Problem with that is...there are people doing that. Take a look at NME/HaXe. They use a single code base to publish to both flash and HTML5/JS. Guess what? Flash is LOADS faster, and has better support for stuff like socket-connections and video decompression... and since Adobe isn't standing still while Mozilla, Microsoft, and Google are pushing forward, this is likely going to stay the same for the foreseeable future.

Stoffel said,
So apparently it's only going to work with certain flash sites, not all of them???
But it will work in IE10 Metro

So I guess they'll be allowing YouTube, iPlayer, and so forth, and for security and obvious reasons, not allowing flash (In IE10 Metro atleast) to play on Adult content sites.

Possession said,

So I guess they'll be allowing YouTube, iPlayer, and so forth, and for security and obvious reasons, not allowing flash (In IE10 Metro atleast) to play on Adult content sites.

I bet they will allow the adult content sites to load.... what they want to protect against are those websites that pass malware/viruses through flash ads or websites that used flash in non standard ways.... that's the kind of thing I would expect to be blocked.

Aethec said,
WinRT can be used from any language, ActionScript is no exception.

Adobe needs to submit it as an alternate language. I believe Microsoft issued a call for new RT languages months ago.

GreyWolf said,

Adobe needs to submit it as an alternate language. I believe Microsoft issued a call for new RT languages months ago.

There's no "submitting", they'd just have to develop their own tool for it (which would have to statically compile to native code, like they do for iOS).

GreyWolf said,
Adobe needs to submit it as an alternate language. I believe Microsoft issued a call for new RT languages months ago.

No need to submit anything, WinRT is mostly based on a standard so anyone can make their language support WinRT, it's just a bit more difficult for JIT'ed languages.
(I read that somewhere in a Stack Overflow comment by Larry Osterman, but I can't find it any more...comments are hard to look for)

Not related, but I had been wondering if the new scroll bars would make it to desktop apps in Windows 8. Cool!

As far as Flash pre-installed in Windows 8, I'm for it. Depending on Adobe releasing a new version of Flash after the release of Windows 8, which would require an update, I don't see anything bad about it.

A340600 said,
Not related, but I had been wondering if the new scroll bars would make it to desktop apps in Windows 8. Cool!

As far as Flash pre-installed in Windows 8, I'm for it. Depending on Adobe releasing a new version of Flash after the release of Windows 8, which would require an update, I don't see anything bad about it.

My guess is that they will bundle it in with Windows Update.

Xerax said,

My guess is that they will bundle it in with Windows Update.

I guess it'll just make use of Flash's existing silent background updating mechanism that it has had for a while now. Microsoft adding Flash to Windows Update would raise questions of Microsoft giving Adobe an unfair advantage. If Flash can be updated via Windows Update, why can't our software... other vendors will cry.

TCLN Ryster said,

I guess it'll just make use of Flash's existing silent background updating mechanism that it has had for a while now. Microsoft adding Flash to Windows Update would raise questions of Microsoft giving Adobe an unfair advantage. If Flash can be updated via Windows Update, why can't our software... other vendors will cry.

If it's integrated into IE on Windows RT, it will be updated via Windows Update.

TCLN Ryster said,

Microsoft adding Flash to Windows Update would raise questions of Microsoft giving Adobe an unfair advantage. If Flash can be updated via Windows Update, why can't our software... other vendors will cry.

An unfair advantage? Over who? What is Adobe Flash competing against, except Silverlight?

It also means that Microsoft will be pushing out updates for Flash to make sure users don't have to bother with installing them themselves.

Als Rafael Rivera has said on his blog, only websites that Microsoft marks as 'Flash-safe' in their compatibility list will get access to Flash in the Metro browser.

Ambroos said,
It also means that Microsoft will be pushing out updates for Flash to make sure users don't have to bother with installing them themselves.

Als Rafael Rivera has said on his blog, only websites that Microsoft marks as 'Flash-safe' in their compatibility list will get access to Flash in the Metro browser.

Which probably means youtube is the first site on the list, and that's the majority of flash videos people end up watching I'd say. If it's handled by some sort of list it might be editable by users. We'll know when the time comes but I see this as the right move to do, HTML5 video hasn't replaced flash enough yet to just forget about supporting it.

GP007 said,

Which probably means youtube is the first site on the list, and that's the majority of flash videos people end up watching I'd say. If it's handled by some sort of list it might be editable by users. We'll know when the time comes but I see this as the right move to do, HTML5 video hasn't replaced flash enough yet to just forget about supporting it.


Considering it's Microsoft and it's the Metro browser we're talking about I highly doubt it'll be editable by users. Very highly doubt it.

Ricardo Dawkins said,
We are all dying. Just slowly.
Do you see what I did there?
Nothing of relevance? Flash *is* being used for fewer things.

Kind of a bad idea. Means Windows 8 will probably ship with an outdated version of Flash. It's not like it's *that* difficult to download it online and make sure you have the latest.

Simon said,
Kind of a bad idea. Means Windows 8 will probably ship with an outdated version of Flash. It's not like it's *that* difficult to download it online and make sure you have the latest.

Likely will get pushed via Windows Update. Plus Microsoft has the source code so won't they be reworking it to push their own updates because of the Immersive version?

Simon said,
Kind of a bad idea. Means Windows 8 will probably ship with an outdated version of Flash. It's not like it's *that* difficult to download it online and make sure you have the latest.

Except Flash has gotten pretty good at keeping itself up to date now. As long as they bundle a version with the latest auto-update technology built in, this won't be an issue.

Also, this issue doesn't seem to affect Chrome and that has Flash built in. How do they handle it?

TCLN Ryster said,

Except Flash has gotten pretty good at keeping itself up to date now. As long as they bundle a version with the latest auto-update technology built in, this won't be an issue.

Also, this issue doesn't seem to affect Chrome and that has Flash built in. How do they handle it?


When a new build of flash is available, they just bundle it into a chrome update, or have a subtle Chrome update which just updates flash.

Possession said,

When a new build of flash is available, they just bundle it into a chrome update, or have a subtle Chrome update which just updates flash.

It seems you guys forget that IE10 will, by default, update itself like Chrome does now. I dunno about the flash bits they're using (I don't think it's the whole flash player code but enough to get the job done in some way). I don't think staying up to date will be a problem.

Flash in IE10Immersive, neat, now I may use it more. Bugged me when I just wanted to visit a casual YouTube video.
It also helps for like watching iPlayer and stuff on future tablets and so forth.

Possession said,
Flash in IE10Immersive, neat, now I may use it more. Bugged me when I just wanted to visit a casual YouTube video.
It also helps for like watching iPlayer and stuff on future tablets and so forth.

Don't forget that it's highly likely that YouTube will release a metro app, so when you try to load a video on the youtube website, it'll seamlessly switch to the youtube app to play it... just like on iphones and the ipad.

TCLN Ryster said,

Don't forget that it's highly likely that YouTube will release a metro app, so when you try to load a video on the youtube website, it'll seamlessly switch to the youtube app to play it... just like on iphones and the ipad.


Will Windows 8 allow them to do that though? I thought with the Sandboxing, the best they can do is have the favicon in IE10 lead directly to the YouTube app, as they showed off with the BUILD website leading to the app in the DP.

Possession said,

Will Windows 8 allow them to do that though? I thought with the Sandboxing, the best they can do is have the favicon in IE10 lead directly to the YouTube app, as they showed off with the BUILD website leading to the app in the DP.

I guess we'll find out sooner or later... I can't believe there would be no way to invoke one metro app from within another though.

Possession said,

Will Windows 8 allow them to do that though? I thought with the Sandboxing, the best they can do is have the favicon in IE10 lead directly to the YouTube app, as they showed off with the BUILD website leading to the app in the DP.

Sandboxing prevents direct communicating between two apps without an OS level API acting as a broker. Opening one app from another app has to be an API function in WinRT, an app can't just say "run youtube.exe" like a Win32 app can.

Kirkburn said,
Why wouldn't they? They make apps already, it's not a big leap to make a dedicated Windows app.

A year and a half has passed, and Google still haven't bothered to release an official YouTube app on Windows Phone. Sure, Windows on the desktop is a much more popular platform than WP, but still I don't see them bothering to do anything Youtube app related.

dagamer34 said,

Sandboxing prevents direct communicating between two apps without an OS level API acting as a broker. Opening one app from another app has to be an API function in WinRT, an app can't just say "run youtube.exe" like a Win32 app can.

IE already has a broker system for content firing, this is separate from the WinRT sandbox/isolation features.

IE10 also is not restricted to the same rules as WinRT/Metro Apps, as IE10 is a part of the framework of WinRT in addition to exposing its engine as a browser for users. (IE10 code is processing HTML5 at the App level in Metro/WinRT)

Notice that WP7 that has highly restricted App isolation lets IE9 do things Apps cannot do. Also opening a .PDF is something the OS handles for the App, and doesn't require IE9 or any App to call 'run AdobeReader.exe', as this is content processing and not 'App/Process' launching. (So if WP7 offers firing up Youtube viewer or opening PDF or other content App association launching, it is possible in Metro/WinRT as well, which is less restrictive than WP7.)

As for the 'Flash', who knows, as this has been debated to vendors and inside Microsoft to the point I stopped even noticing. The last I had heard is they were considering integrated Flash support in IE10 with an additional sandbox around Flash and new rules for the Flash content that would allow 99% of Flash to run. It would NOT be a plugin, but instead would be a broker ran engine in IE10. There was also talk of a 'translation' version that used IE10's compile and run model to convert Flash content and run it as IE10 conceptually runs websites as 'Apps'. (Lots of options that could happen or not happen.)

It's great that they're contacting people to ensure their sites are ready for the plugin-free IE10. I hope they've contacted all of the popular porn tube websites.

Calum said,
It's great that they're contacting people to ensure their sites are ready for the plugin-free IE10. I hope they've contacted all of the popular porn tube websites.

Must be awkward explaining the rationale of opening porn sites to their respective managers.

The idea of Flash being bundled with Windows 8 or even possibly be allowed to run in the Metro browser raises several alarms, especially since Microsoft has stated that the Metro browser will not support third-party plug-ins. But again, the evidence, if you can take Canouna's word, is that Flash showed up after installing the Release Preview of Windows 8.

Not sure how you came to that possible conclusion, but Flash being bundled in Windows 8 != Flash being allowed to run in Metro IE10.

TCLN Ryster said,

Not sure how you came to that possible conclusion, but Flash being bundled in Windows 8 != Flash being allowed to run in Metro IE10.


Possible/possibly/possibility - you even used it yourself.

srprimeaux said,

So this isn't limited to the desktop version of IE10. That's great! I was disappointed that I had to traverse out of Metro-IE to watch YouTube, but this is good news.

From the article that Brad linked to at the end, seems this will be a compatibility feature set by Microsoft's compatibility lists and won't be usable on every single website using the Metro IE10, just those deemed "most popular". Although Microsoft giving favouritism to some websites over others seems potentially problematic and could land them in trouble.

For sites where flash is used purely for streaming video, I anticipate those sites rapidly switching to a kind of HTML5 based video player instead, as YouTube recently were seen playing with.

Also, as a guy called Arttt asked on the article that Brad linked... if they're doing this with flash, it should be very interesting indeed to hear what they say about Silverlight. I know of several sites, Netflix being the most prominent example I can think of, that use Silverlight to operate their video streaming service. How will Microsoft justify not giving their own technology the same treatment in IE10 Metro that Flash is getting? (assuming of course they don't already plan to, and news of it just hasn't broken yet).

bdsams said,
Added a small spinet at the end, it is happening as it is being baked in to the browser according to this report: http://www.withinwindows.com/2...will-ship-with-adobe-flash/

If this is the case, then it is not a 3rd party plug-in anymore, more of a 1st+ party plugin, as the source code is being added to ie10.

And I think this is a differentiator to the plataform (where iOS doesn't run it at all). Specially as Flash will be updated through Windows Update, now that it is part of the browser.

TCLN Ryster said,

From the article that Brad linked to at the end, seems this will be a compatibility feature set by Microsoft's compatibility lists and won't be usable on every single website using the Metro IE10, just those deemed "most popular". Although Microsoft giving favouritism to some websites over others seems potentially problematic and could land them in trouble.

For sites where flash is used purely for streaming video, I anticipate those sites rapidly switching to a kind of HTML5 based video player instead, as YouTube recently were seen playing with.

Also, as a guy called Arttt asked on the article that Brad linked... if they're doing this with flash, it should be very interesting indeed to hear what they say about Silverlight. I know of several sites, Netflix being the most prominent example I can think of, that use Silverlight to operate their video streaming service. How will Microsoft justify not giving their own technology the same treatment in IE10 Metro that Flash is getting? (assuming of course they don't already plan to, and news of it just hasn't broken yet).

I thought that Metro could be developed using Silverlight as well, just like WP.

srprimeaux said,

So this isn't limited to the desktop version of IE10. That's great! I was disappointed that I had to traverse out of Metro-IE to watch YouTube, but this is good news.

isn't youtube already html5?, I watch youtube videos on my windows phone all the time....

TCLN Ryster said,

Also, as a guy called Arttt asked on the article that Brad linked... if they're doing this with flash, it should be very interesting indeed to hear what they say about Silverlight. I know of several sites, Netflix being the most prominent example I can think of, that use Silverlight to operate their video streaming service. How will Microsoft justify not giving their own technology the same treatment in IE10 Metro that Flash is getting? (assuming of course they don't already plan to, and news of it just hasn't broken yet).

They never directly bundled or integrated Silverlight with Windows or IE back when they were actually pushing Silverlight heavily - there must have been a (legal?) reason for that.

oliver182 said,

isn't youtube already html5?, I watch youtube videos on my windows phone all the time....

There's a HTML5 trial that YouTube has and I'm in it, but the majority of videos I watch on YouTube don't utilize the HTML5 player but rather Adobe Flash. Why? No idea.

TCLN Ryster said,

From the article that Brad linked to at the end, seems this will be a compatibility feature set by Microsoft's compatibility lists and won't be usable on every single website using the Metro IE10, just those deemed "most popular". Although Microsoft giving favouritism to some websites over others seems potentially problematic and could land them in trouble.

For sites where flash is used purely for streaming video, I anticipate those sites rapidly switching to a kind of HTML5 based video player instead, as YouTube recently were seen playing with.

Also, as a guy called Arttt asked on the article that Brad linked... if they're doing this with flash, it should be very interesting indeed to hear what they say about Silverlight. I know of several sites, Netflix being the most prominent example I can think of, that use Silverlight to operate their video streaming service. How will Microsoft justify not giving their own technology the same treatment in IE10 Metro that Flash is getting? (assuming of course they don't already plan to, and news of it just hasn't broken yet).

Great info and valid concerns. When it comes to Microsoft, I worry what they end up doing. I already don't like the current fragmented feeling I get when I want to view something in Metro-IE but can't, necessitating the need to remove myself from the current experience I'm in only to open up another one to do what I wanted to do from the very beginning. Waste of time. If they're just going to support some sites and not others with Flash/Metro, they're just going to add to this and I'm going to be a sad Panda. I hope they clean this up.

sviola said,

I thought that Metro could be developed using Silverlight as well, just like WP.

It cannot. Silverlight is not available in IE10, although WinRT is very similar to Silverlight.

oliver182 said,

isn't youtube already html5?, I watch youtube videos on my windows phone all the time....

just their mobile website is.. so just go type in m.youtube.com on windows 8 and it should work

srprimeaux said,

There's a HTML5 trial that YouTube has and I'm in it, but the majority of videos I watch on YouTube don't utilize the HTML5 player but rather Adobe Flash. Why? No idea.

Maybe their cherry-picking select content so as to develop an adaquate means of transcoding flash content into html5?

srprimeaux said,

There's a HTML5 trial that YouTube has and I'm in it, but the majority of videos I watch on YouTube don't utilize the HTML5 player but rather Adobe Flash. Why? No idea.

It's not that hard for Microsoft to make a YouTube "plugin" that takes the Flash code from the YouTube embed and just plays the H.264 file like Mobile Safari does.

dagamer34 said,

It's not that hard for Microsoft to make a YouTube "plugin" that takes the Flash code from the YouTube embed and just plays the H.264 file like Mobile Safari does.

Tell Microsoft, not me.

Regression_88 said,
Maybe their cherry-picking select content so as to develop an adaquate means of transcoding flash content into html5?

Maybe. Perhaps. Possibly.

TCLN Ryster said,

won't be usable on every single website using the Metro IE10, just those deemed "most popular". Although Microsoft giving favouritism to some websites over others seems potentially problematic and could land them in trouble.

seems to me that web developers might be able to add like a <use="flash"> or something tag to the beginning of their site to enable the built-in-and-very-light Metro Flash player

srprimeaux said,

There's a HTML5 trial that YouTube has and I'm in it, but the majority of videos I watch on YouTube don't utilize the HTML5 player but rather Adobe Flash. Why? No idea.


I don't think it's a trial; last time I checked there was a setting asking if you want to watch in HTML5 and it would default to HTML5 if you don't have flash anyways

srprimeaux said,

There's a HTML5 trial that YouTube has and I'm in it, but the majority of videos I watch on YouTube don't utilize the HTML5 player but rather Adobe Flash. Why? No idea.

that is so weird
im using metro browser to play youtube all the time. Just like on my WP7 device. And none of the videos said that it needed flash. Although many said that it cant be played on the device. So im assuming those do use flash.

sagum said,

Possible/possibly/possibility - you even used it yourself.

We took the shots, I thought that would be proof enough it works in Metro.

IE 10 (non-Metro) will utilize Flash. Why is this surprising? I like it. Now I don't have to go to Adobe.com to download their flash plugin to watch videos online.

srprimeaux said,
IE 10 (non-Metro) will utilize Flash. Why is this surprising? I like it. Now I don't have to go to Adobe.com to download their flash plugin to watch videos online.

Indeed, and since Flash comes bundled with Google Chrome too... where's the harm here?

srprimeaux said,
IE 10 (non-Metro) will utilize Flash. Why is this surprising? I like it. Now I don't have to go to Adobe.com to download their flash plugin to watch videos online.

Well I think you may find that IE10 Metro and Regular will both come with Flash

Assuming it actually will come with the release preview, I'd bet it's a special customized version of flash that is compatible with IE's new "Enhanced Protected Mode" feature so they can "beta" test it with more people.

funkydude said,
Assuming it actually will come with the release preview, I'd bet it's a special customized version of flash that is compatible with IE's new "Enhanced Protected Mode" feature so they can "beta" test it with more people.

It is indeed. According to Paul Thurrott, Adobe actually gave MS the source code to flash player so that MS could make sure it works within the security model of Windows 8

Sraf said,

It is indeed. According to Paul Thurrott, Adobe actually gave MS the source code to flash player so that MS could make sure it works within the security model of Windows 8


Paul thurrott did NOT say that. He merely just suggested it.

FalseAgent said,

Paul thurrott did NOT say that. He merely just suggested it.

Here's what Paul and I wrote, perhaps you missed it:


As Mr. Hachamovitch noted, Microsoft does work closely with Adobe, closely enough that Adobe actually provided Microsoft with source code access to Flash, allowing them to seamlessly integrate the technology into IE 10.

funkydude said,
Assuming it actually will come with the release preview, I'd bet it's a special customized version of flash that is compatible with IE's new "Enhanced Protected Mode" feature so they can "beta" test it with more people.

In RP you would have Flash pre installed , Metro IE won't run Flash in WRP.