Wikileaks retreats to Amazon after DDoS attack

After becoming the victim of an effective Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack on Sunday, the controversial and influential Wikileaks has decided to move their operation to Amazon’s EC2 cloud computing platform. A DDoS attack effectively takes down its target by flooding it with massive amounts of traffic, crashing servers unless specific countermeasures are in place. Wikileaks, already starved for cash and relatively small as far as targets go, was unprepared.

At first glance, Amazon seems to be the last hosting platform Wikileaks would find sanctuary in. It is, after all, an American company, and the US government isn’t quite pleased right now with Wikileaks owner Julian Assange and his repeated releases of confidential and controversial information surrounding aspects of the military and government. However, according to The Guardian, Amazon doesn’t host all of its servers in the US, and the US government would be sparking an international incident by attacking Wikileaks’ new home, which would in turn likely only fuel Assange’s passion for closet skeleton hunting.

Wikileaks has recently released cables from various embassies around the world that exposed alleged corruption, collusion and human right violations around the world. Conversations that were thought to be confidential and under the table are now above ground and freely available for anyone that cares to read them. They had also previously released a trove of documents relating the Iraq War and exposed military missteps and violations throughout the conflict. As Wikileaks grows in popularity and influence, its reach only grows in parallel. According to Forbes, government and military are only the first steps for Assange. If what he says is true, big business, including banks, Wall St., and other “Big” industries will soon fall under enormous social pressure when their secrets are eventually revealed. 

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Assange is starting to look more & more like a hired gun.
People willing to leak whatever have always been there -- why the sudden expansion?... have his resources expanded through donations or *Sales*?

Whether Assange picks targets based on his personal ideology or in effect sells them, no one can claim Wikileaks is impartial -- it would be almost unforgivably naive to think that the leaks available don't span the political & ideological spectrums. Of course no one including Assange &/or Wikileaks *has* to be impartial, but, appearing impartial boosts cred -- I mean you expect Apple to say their products are better than Windows PCs, so not everyone listens when they say just that. Cred boosts your following & for a non-profit that means literally donations, leading me to ask: is it just mismanagement by Assange, or has Wikileaks got sources of funding that [more than] make up for those lost donations?

At any rate it would be unforgivably naive to think that the US was the only nation that would like to see Assange in jail after leaking the diplomatic cables -- even China is blocking the site. The media will eventually follow -- they depend on governments as well as many in governments, would rather cut out the middleman who's competing to do their job after all, & they are not politically neutral. Moving to Amazon's servers makes it seem that Wikileaks is a major biz, & together with current media coverage that costs them the appearance of being a small, popular underdog. IMHO Wikileaks will wind up fading from the limelight, or will answer the question about whether they're just a gun for hire by trying to keep things at current levels -- if or as smaller donations fall off, it becomes much harder to hide increasing amounts of funding from single sources [if nothing else, there's always someone willing to leak the info ;-) ].

PFC Bradley Manning is a criminal for divulging classified material and is being prosecuted for said crimes. Julian Assange is no less guilty for propagating these crimes via Wikileaks. Assange cannot technically be charged with treason since, unlike PFC Manning, he is not an American citizen; however, he can be brought up on international charges of espionage. With respect to accountability, Assange should be held accountable for putting the lives of American servicemen and diplomats in harm's way and for eroding national security.

bradsday said,
PFC Bradley Manning is a criminal for divulging classified material and is being prosecuted for said crimes. Julian Assange is no less guilty for propagating these crimes via Wikileaks. Assange cannot technically be charged with treason since, unlike PFC Manning, he is not an American citizen; however, he can be brought up on international charges of espionage. With respect to accountability, Assange should be held accountable for putting the lives of American servicemen and diplomats in harm's way and for eroding national security.

Maybe Americans should just stop invading other countries and killing innocent people? This would help reducing risks much better, don't you think?

RealFduch said,

Maybe Americans should just stop invading other countries and killing innocent people? This would help reducing risks much better, don't you think?

No shortage of Kool-Aid I see. ;-)

bradsday said,
PFC Bradley Manning is a criminal for divulging classified material and is being prosecuted for said crimes. Julian Assange is no less guilty for propagating these crimes via Wikileaks. Assange cannot technically be charged with treason since, unlike PFC Manning, he is not an American citizen; however, he can be brought up on international charges of espionage. With respect to accountability, Assange should be held accountable for putting the lives of American servicemen and diplomats in harm's way and for eroding national security.

It's questionable whether the information was properly classified in the first place. 'Secret' != classified.

Joshie said,

It's questionable whether the information was properly classified in the first place. 'Secret' != classified.

Lol...actually Secret == Classified. Its the lowest level of being classified but still is nonetheless.

I hope they catch up to this guy and put him in jail..... I'm glad he was DDoS'd, and I hope it happens again and again.... There's nothing honorable in posting stolen govt documents.... In fact, it's down right illegal, and the law will eventually catch up with him.

Reverend Spam said,
I hope they catch up to this guy and put him in jail..... I'm glad he was DDoS'd, and I hope it happens again and again.... There's nothing honorable in posting stolen govt documents.... In fact, it's down right illegal, and the law will eventually catch up with him.
He's not in hiding, y'know.

Reverend Spam said,
I hope they catch up to this guy and put him in jail..... I'm glad he was DDoS'd, and I hope it happens again and again.... There's nothing honorable in posting stolen govt documents.... In fact, it's down right illegal, and the law will eventually catch up with him.

Cool! Let's fight truth with unlawfullness.

WikiLeaks needs to stop! Wikileaks just has pinheaded people working there that have no idea what can happen to US and other allies. This is absolutely dishonorable and disgraceful to many soldiers that are trying to do there job but when theres an absolute a**hole trying to give there potion away. What the hell is wrong with people these days. God dam

I think this is disgraceful!

Wikileaks should be able to publicise this content. If government officials are embarrassed about the content, then they should learn to keep their f**king mouths shut!!! They are supposed to be diplomatics... and BEING a diplomat involves their very being ... not being two-faced...

Wikileaks should be allowed to continue. They are not putting troops at risk .. the loud mouthed authorities are! Even I know when/where to keep it shut!

i11usive said,
Wikileaks should be able to publicise this content. If government officials are embarrassed about the content, then they should learn to keep their f**king mouths shut!!! They are supposed to be diplomatics... and BEING a diplomat involves their very being ... not being two-faced...
While I don't have a strong opinion on this whole thing ... welcome to the world of diplomacy. You're asking for a utopia of openness that cannot and will not ever happen. If I send an email to my friend about another friend, I do not expect for it to be read, and I will say things that I do not expect the subject to read. On a very basic level, it's called tact.

For a more specific example here: diplomat discusses David Cameron being inexperienced in a dispatch. Diplomat does not intend to make a public announcement that he (and by extension the US gov.) thinks David Cameron is inexperienced.

i11usive said,
I think this is disgraceful!

Wikileaks should be able to publicise this content. If government officials are embarrassed about the content, then they should learn to keep their f**king mouths shut!!! They are supposed to be diplomatics... and BEING a diplomat involves their very being ... not being two-faced...

Wikileaks should be allowed to continue. They are not putting troops at risk .. the loud mouthed authorities are! Even I know when/where to keep it shut!

Alright, that's cool. The next time you represent our country, you better keep your mouth shut about ANY opinions you have about ANYTHING, not even to your wife or kids. Deal?

LiquidSolstice said,
Alright, that's cool. The next time you represent our country, you better keep your mouth shut about ANY opinions you have about ANYTHING, not even to your wife or kids. Deal?

There's a difference between freedom of opinion and professionalism. You can make your negative comments and opinions in private, but when you are on the job and acting as a professional, you should withhold such comments.

And if you're going to make comments like that, even as a professional, don't do it in writing. I always thought that was pretty basic - you never know where written records will be sent or who will see them, even if they're supposedly secret.

Ledgem said,

There's a difference between freedom of opinion and professionalism. You can make your negative comments and opinions in private, but when you are on the job and acting as a professional, you should withhold such comments.

And if you're going to make comments like that, even as a professional, don't do it in writing. I always thought that was pretty basic - you never know where written records will be sent or who will see them, even if they're supposedly secret.

I totally agree! Even diplomacy in the workplace dictates not to put derogatory comments on employers/employees/suppliers/clients in writing. You'd think in the worldwide arena, politicians would be even more careful - seeing what's at stake.

If they've been caught out - then that's tough luck! At least other countries & politicians will appreciate where they stand with ass kissers, who in one breath pledge their support and allegiance, and in the next are slating them.

Britain and America are the world superpowers for the moment. I think it's good that this information has been leaked. Maybe next time, we won't follow the US to war like puppy dogs.

i11usive said,
I think this is disgraceful!

Wikileaks should be able to publicise this content. If government officials are embarrassed about the content, then they should learn to keep their f**king mouths shut!!! They are supposed to be diplomatics... and BEING a diplomat involves their very being ... not being two-faced...

Wikileaks should be allowed to continue. They are not putting troops at risk .. the loud mouthed authorities are! Even I know when/where to keep it shut!

Most people are unwilling to give away everything that they own, just hand someone else all of their possessions -- that's why every society has laws to deter & punish theft. The cables that were leaked were stolen -- the US State Dept. didn't just package them up & say here they are, or post them for public download or anything. Whomever leaked them broke laws. It may turn out that Assange is charged/indicted as well. Whether you agree or disagree with Assange & Wikileaks for publishing anything, whether you think he's a saint or Satan doesn't matter when it comes to law, & if the US does indeed take any action against Assange it will be based on law.

As far as the US or any other gov, or any other person voicing their displeasure with Wikileaks, don't their voices have the same right to be heard as yours? ;-)

mikiem said,

Most people are unwilling to give away everything that they own, just hand someone else all of their possessions -- that's why every society has laws to deter & punish theft. The cables that were leaked were stolen -- the US State Dept. didn't just package them up & say here they are, or post them for public download or anything. Whomever leaked them broke laws. It may turn out that Assange is charged/indicted as well. Whether you agree or disagree with Assange & Wikileaks for publishing anything, whether you think he's a saint or Satan doesn't matter when it comes to law, & if the US does indeed take any action against Assange it will be based on law.

As far as the US or any other gov, or any other person voicing their displeasure with Wikileaks, don't their voices have the same right to be heard as yours? ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

I don't know why people blame Wikileaks, after all, it was a Soldier that stole the info. Maybe the Government needs to worry about security more than Wiki.

Mike Frett said,
I don't know why people blame Wikileaks, after all, it was a Soldier that stole the info. Maybe the Government needs to worry about security more than Wiki.

This isn't said enough. Blaming Wikileaks for what a soldier leaked is like blaming The Pirate Bay for what a 16 year old in Wisconsin is seeding.

It's remarkable that so very few people are talking about how insecure the information was in the first place, that it wasn't necessarily properly CLASSIFIED in the first place, that no hacking took place (he burned it to a rewritable disc right there in person), and why the heck high level government cables were accessible to any old private to browse through at will.

I would expect the tech community to do a better job of latching onto this angle. The whole security set-up feels half-assed and amateurish. This is a very minor shake-up compared to stuff that's been exposed at other times in history, and rather than being used to fuel new legislation for prosecuting entities like Wikileaks, it should be fueling the development of better information management.

The whole thing feels like a guy downloaded the Pentagon's Facebook wall to a disc and everyone's panicking that Janet will find out what Roshawn was doing last Saturday when he said he was helping his sister move but was actually at dinner with Melaquanisha.

Mike Frett said,
I don't know why people blame Wikileaks, after all, it was a Soldier that stole the info. Maybe the Government needs to worry about security more than Wiki.

The Genie's out of the bottle -- that's for sure. ;-)
But part of stopping or preventing future leaks is to make consequences clear. Also, if it weren't for Wikileaks, would the cables have been stolen in the 1st place, & if they had, what would or could the thief do with them? Rest assured reforming security is an issue that's being addressed, & some heads will roll as they say.

What happends if his people are caught with the sensitive data or later on found to have leaked it to WikiLeaks? Does Assange help them out or is it "You're on your own"?

Doli said,
What happends if his people are caught with the sensitive data or later on found to have leaked it to WikiLeaks? Does Assange help them out or is it "You're on your own"?

He would if he could, nut mister Assange is on his own too.
I think it's the responsibility of people around the world to keep these people safe. If they get arrested, launch a protest. These people are heroes and I would hide them in my own home to keep them safe... if they have need for it.

Assange is an ass who thinks he's stickin it to the man when really the world's governments appear to care less about the leaks than fanatics reading them and the media turning them into fantastic stories.

spenser.d said,
Assange is an ass who thinks he's stickin it to the man when really the world's governments appear to care less about the leaks than fanatics reading them and the media turning them into fantastic stories.

Wait, isn't that the point?

spenser.d said,
Assange is an ass who thinks he's stickin it to the man when really the world's governments appear to care less about the leaks than fanatics reading them and the media turning them into fantastic stories.

Yeah. Doing something good means being attention whore.
Good logic, mr. BadBoy.

spenser.d said,
Assange is an ass who thinks he's stickin it to the man when really the world's governments appear to care less about the leaks than fanatics reading them and the media turning them into fantastic stories.

You would certainly think, or hope anyway that a pro diplomat knows he or she's getting stroked, just as they're very consciously stroking everyone else. ;-) I mean if you take everything you hear as pure truth then you've never dated, or bought a car.

No, the real damage has to do with the US traditionally leaking secrets -- this is just the latest example, & a very visible one at that. If you believe your secret would wind up front page news, you're not going to tell anyone with the US gov *Any* secrets. What's long been a problem just got a lot worse.

Whether anyone thinks Assange is saint or sinner is largely irrelevant. If he can be stopped legally he will be -- if not, he won't (at least not by the US, given all the attention he gets). Governments don't care about personality or motivations in this case -- it's a matter of closing a door of opportunity to would-be leakers. Us peons arguing about it just helps sell more newspapers &/or media site ads.

etempest said,
... a democracy can only make informed decisions with the truth. ...

I don't think that's ever been doubted by anyone -- what has & is & needs debated is what gets sold as truth but isn't, or one-sided, or out of context, or misleading and so on. With the current leaks of the diplomatic cables, or the earlier ones covering Irag etc., sometimes more was made of them, they were built up to be more than they actually were. Understandably from a biz sense -- Wikileaks is a biz after all -- Assange hypes his product just like a car company CEO in whatever TV commercials, or as any author making the rounds trying to sell their book. Just like any good sales pitch, Assange's hype is often based on a kernel of truth -- something like what we released was genuine (implying truth), you need to hear/read the truth blah blah blah, hoping you'll then accept it as true also when he hype's the importance of whatever leaks. In some ways no more, no less profound than any other pitchman.... sorry.

So essentially, what he's doing is taking the digital equivalent of a human shield. "Try to take me out, you'll take out this innocent, too!"

bluarash said,
Does anyone know if Wikileaks owner Julian Assange is on the American payroll? I smell a bunch of strategically useful disinformation.
What, do you expect someone here on Neowin to have 'inside knowledge' or something, that literally nobody else in the world - government, media or civilian - knows?

Yeah, totally disinformation. Oh wait ... have you even read _anything_ about it?

Yes, I have. I really don't see too much sensitive information. Most of the alleged intel on foreign situations could be easily guessed by anyone in the first years of political science. This is pretty basic analytical analysis of situations and situational opinions. This is pretty much freshman and sophomore stuff.

bluarash said,
Yes, I have. I really don't see too much sensitive information. Most of the alleged intel on foreign situations could be easily guessed by anyone in the first years of political science. This is pretty basic analytical analysis of situations and situational opinions. This is pretty much freshman and sophomore stuff.
And sometimes, obvious stuff ... is obvious. Not everything has to be layers thick intrigue in diplomacy.

Kirkburn said,
And sometimes, obvious stuff ... is obvious. Not everything has to be layers thick intrigue in diplomacy.

No it doesn't, but everyone in politics plays both sides. Everyone. There is too much to loose from having only one vested interest in an outcome.

My point, however, was just to simply say that we are talking about documents that are barely classified (at best). This is about as much gossip, as it is genuine intel.

Sitting In India
Its In Local Media dat
American Agencies Like F*I,N*a,C*a Etc Are Trying To rescue them self as much pride left for them by taking wikileaks down.
Its obvious that any govt would try to save their ass by hackin into a server.
Its so simple now as whole data is electronic

sunnym said,
Sitting In India
Its In Local Media dat
American Agencies Like F*I,N*a,C*a Etc Are Trying To rescue them self as much pride left for them by taking wikileaks down.
Its obvious that any govt would try to save their ass by hackin into a server.
Its so simple now as whole data is electronic

Really? There's nothing wrong with typing out the full FBI, you don't need to star it out.

One wonders if the Internet had been available in the 1940's whether Mr. Assange would have felt compelled to spill the beans regarding the pivotal battles of WWII (possibly tipping the balance in favor of the axis rather than the allies). While I admire the spirit of what he's doing, there could be nasty consequences for many. It is not at all clear to me that those of you espousing "bring em down" attitudes might not realize that it could be you being brought down. Total openness and transparency assumes there are no bad people in the world.

bcronin said,
One wonders if the Internet had been available in the 1940's whether Mr. Assange would have felt compelled to spill the beans regarding the pivotal battles of WWII (possibly tipping the balance in favor of the axis rather than the allies). While I admire the spirit of what he's doing, there could be nasty consequences for many. It is not at all clear to me that those of you espousing "bring em down" attitudes might not realize that it could be you being brought down. Total openness and transparency assumes there are no bad people in the world.

like spill the beans on the Americans that were supporting Hitler. like IBM for example.
And to be fair the Russians won that war.

wetworker said,

like spill the beans on the Americans that were supporting Hitler. like IBM for example.
And to be fair the Russians won that war.


My thoughts exactly!

Deo Domuique said,
~Johnny, can you imagine how many lives the Americans exposed to danger?

Can you imagine how many lives were destroyed by these wrongdoings (corruption and stuff like that)?

Awesome, I admire the guy.

The govn says to everyone, do not hide anything, and yet, when the govn gets caught with the hand in the cookie jar says "Oh don't look it is ok, it is for your own good not to know"

Bring em down wikileaks

Titoist said,
Julian Assange should get a Nobel Prize. The guy has brought accountability to a whole new level.

I agree. He's already won an Amnesty International award and I think he should get a Nobel Prize as well. He deserves it was more than Obama did.

omnicoder said,

I agree. He's already won an Amnesty International award and I think he should get a Nobel Prize as well. He deserves it was more than Obama did.

He's also put the lives of many foreign diplomats in countries like North Korea, Iran, etc. in danger, and probably sparked additional tension between countries that really don't need it.

~Johnny said,

He's also put the lives of many foreign diplomats in countries like North Korea, Iran, etc. in danger, and probably sparked additional tension between countries that really don't need it.


Well, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about...

Titoist said,
Julian Assange should get a Nobel Prize. The guy has brought accountability to a whole new level.

In my view, he is a terrorist or he is helping then out. He should be prosecute it to the maximum extension of the law. Also put this garbage in the jail for the rest of his miserable life.

Quattrone said,

In my view, he is a terrorist or he is helping then out. He should be prosecute it to the maximum extension of the law.
What for? He hasn't done any crimes so the full extension of the law is....to leave him alone

Quattrone said,

In my view, he is a terrorist or he is helping then out. He should be prosecute it to the maximum extension of the law. Also put this garbage in the jail for the rest of his miserable life.

In my view, anyone who calls anyone a terrorist needs a slap upside the head

bluefisch200 said,

Well, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about...

You could work for Google!

~Johnny said,

He's also put the lives of many foreign diplomats in countries like North Korea, Iran, etc. in danger, and probably sparked additional tension between countries that really don't need it.

Well if the diplomats were honest in the first place, we wouldn't have the "additional tension" you speak of. Would we?

blahism said,

In my view, anyone who calls anyone a terrorist needs a slap upside the head
The guy is the most hate it man in the world. He will bring down the US Army.

Jebadiah said,
Well if the diplomats were honest in the first place, we wouldn't have the "additional tension" you speak of. Would we?

There's a major difference between the private personal views of the diplomats, and the official stance of their countries they're meant to be representing. They are not meant to publicly express their personal views, and that would likely go against the whole idea of "diplomacy", where slandering other people & countries for being idiots is not really the aim of the game. They only publicly express in their diplomatic jobs what they should do - the rest is largely irrelevent, and this is a very dangerous game Wikileaks is playing. There's a reason these internal discussions are kept quiet - and good diplomacy and international relations are part of that. This only serves to unravel much of the hard work that's being done keeping tensions down.

We all know for instance, that the North Korean leadership, are for lack of a better of a better word, power hungry idiots. You can't just go up up and tell that to them straight to their faces. - that's just going to really **** them off. You have to tread very carefully, so as not to spark things off. They're not going to take it on the chin and ignore you - they're just probably going to go off firing rockets or something, it's not like they don't want the excuse for it.

Titoist said,
Julian Assange should get a Nobel Prize. The guy has brought accountability to a whole new level.

Nothing will change, thsis is the way the human world works and people who think this is good or bad in any way are naive. This means nothing.

Titoist said,
Julian Assange should get a Nobel Prize. The guy has brought accountability to a whole new level.

He should be shot. He has endangered the lives of a great many people in the name of accountability.

~Johnny said,

There's a major difference between the private personal views of the diplomats, and the official stance of their countries they're meant to be representing. They are not meant to publicly express their personal views, and that would likely go against the whole idea of "diplomacy", where slandering other people & countries for being idiots is not really the aim of the game. They only publicly express in their diplomatic jobs what they should do - the rest is largely irrelevent, and this is a very dangerous game Wikileaks is playing. There's a reason these internal discussions are kept quiet - and good diplomacy and international relations are part of that. This only serves to unravel much of the hard work that's being done keeping tensions down.

We all know for instance, that the North Korean leadership, are for lack of a better of a better word, power hungry idiots. You can't just go up up and tell that to them straight to their faces. - that's just going to really **** them off. You have to tread very carefully, so as not to spark things off. They're not going to take it on the chin and ignore you - they're just probably going to go off firing rockets or something, it's not like they don't want the excuse for it.

Finally - someone that gets it!

There are plenty of truth-challenged individuals out there; unfortunately, some of them run countries armed wwith nukes or chemical/biological weapons. If you call them that publicly, they are all too likely to "go gansta" all over you (and/or their own neighbors). Do you want the equivalent of a "gangland slayinng" writ extra-large? While some out there like the art of basically lying in public that is diplomacy, most ordinary Americans (and even most diplomats in the State Department) find it deplorable; however, all too often, a lie (or even simply hiding the truth) is what keeps you out of war.

Look at the WL diplomatic-cable dump from that POV. Yes; it's embarrassing for the State Department (it means they *still* haven't fixed the securitty issues dating back to the Walker scandal of the Reagan Administration), but for North Korea and Iran (both of whom are a lot nastier in how they treat enemies of the state than the United States) it was much worse. They weren't necessarily trying to snow the average American, but the American leadership. However, it's now known that said American leadership (and especially the diplomats) didn't buy the snow jobs. (Iran, for example, had worse things to say about the diplo-dump than even Hillary.) If anythinkg, the leaks put our diplomatic corps in a more FAVORABLE light than we're used to thinking. It shows that they have brains, and can't be snowed easily, if at all. I'm not used to thinking of the cookie-pushers in favorable terms (especially in a Democratic presidency). However, the diplo-dump proved me so decidedly "wrong".

Shining Arcanine said,

He should be shot. He has endangered the lives of a great many people in the name of accountability.


death penalty, hm?

*yawn*
I'll make it short: No.

GS:mac

~Johnny said,

There's a major difference between the private personal views of the diplomats, and the official stance of their countries they're meant to be representing. They are not meant to publicly express their personal views, and that would likely go against the whole idea of "diplomacy", where slandering other people & countries for being idiots is not really the aim of the game. They only publicly express in their diplomatic jobs what they should do - the rest is largely irrelevent, and this is a very dangerous game Wikileaks is playing. There's a reason these internal discussions are kept quiet - and good diplomacy and international relations are part of that. This only serves to unravel much of the hard work that's being done keeping tensions down.

We all know for instance, that the North Korean leadership, are for lack of a better of a better word, power hungry idiots. You can't just go up up and tell that to them straight to their faces. - that's just going to really **** them off. You have to tread very carefully, so as not to spark things off. They're not going to take it on the chin and ignore you - they're just probably going to go off firing rockets or something, it's not like they don't want the excuse for it.


Have to agree with this here. People are either really happy this guy is doing this or really angry. I say, take the middle ground. Some of the things he's leaked make sense, bring them to the forefront, but some of these cables he's put out he seems to have put out for his own personal ego. It doesn't make a country more accountable by leaking documents that says Country A doesn't like Country B. What is this, high school?

bluefisch200 said,

Well, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about...

You say that but when it comes to your privacy or anyone else here for that matter, you'll complain forthright about governments monitoring you and how your rights were violated.

IE. ISPs monitoring your traffic or how much you download

Quattrone said,
The guy is the most hate it man in the world. He will bring down the US Army.

What will bring down the US Army is its outsorcing to friends of friends who make billions while we pay the bill......

Fritzly said,

What will bring down the US Army is its outsorcing to friends of friends who make billions while we pay the bill......

The future of the United States military is privatization. Intelligence and security is only the first step in the equation.

Shining Arcanine said,

He should be shot. He has endangered the lives of a great many people in the name of accountability.

So the United States would be in the business of returning to the assassination of foreign nationals. Why not. It's not going to happen though.

Shining Arcanine said,

He should be shot. He has endangered the lives of a great many people in the name of accountability.

HE is saving far more than could be harmed. If people did stuff that hurts, they need to pay the price now so it doesn't happen again. Accountability should be thecore of diplomacy.

Morisato said,

You say that but when it comes to your privacy or anyone else here for that matter, you'll complain forthright about governments monitoring you and how your rights were violated.

IE. ISPs monitoring your traffic or how much you download

If i can see what they do they can see what i do...i live in Switzerland, i can do legal downloads of any Music out there but uploads are illegal. I just download music..they can't hurt me...and i am fine with that...

oh and btw. I would LOVE it to work for Google...

Titoist said,
Julian Assange should get a Nobel Prize. The guy has brought accountability to a whole new level.

He should win the dealth penalty, no more no less. He is just an attention whore who didn't look at the big picture. If the US was to collapse, Russia and China will take over, would you prefer Russia or China over US ?

~Johnny said,

We all know for instance, that the North Korean leadership, are for lack of a better of a better word, power hungry idiots. You can't just go up up and tell that to them straight to their faces. - that's just going to really **** them off.
You think Korea is oblivious to how people perceive them as a country? People have been talking about issues there for years including people high up in governments (Bush's Axis of Evil for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil). I'm also sure Korea could not care less if people don't like them, not everyone is completely vein. If they cared they'd have done something to improve their image years ago.

That and even countries with strong relationships will still disagree or condemn one another when the time calls for it. It's part of politics and I don't think it's as fragile or personal as you make out. Sure there are issues, but leaders probably aren't going to lose sleep because someone called them bad names.

XIII said,

If the US was to collapse, Russia and China will take over, would you prefer Russia or China over US ?
Russia? You can't be serious.

Smigit said,
You think Korea is oblivious to how people perceive them as a country? People have been talking about issues there for years including people high up in governments (Bush's Axis of Evil for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil). I'm also sure Korea could not care less if people don't like them, not everyone is completely vein. If they cared they'd have done something to improve their image years ago.

That and even countries with strong relationships will still disagree or condemn one another when the time calls for it. It's part of politics and I don't think it's as fragile or personal as you make out. Sure there are issues, but leaders probably aren't going to lose sleep because someone called them bad names.

Of course they're aware. But we don't out right insult their country through diplomatic channels - that would be stupid and more or less force them to retaliate in some way.

I really don't see why they would feel the need to retailiate over nasty words. Again, bush labeling them in his Axis of Evil around the very same time they were rolling into or about to roll into Iraq all those years ago was probably one of the most confronting verbal attacks they could have got considering it made it seem like they were a possible war target also and nothing came of that. At the time it wasn't just the fact he called them evil but the climate was such that those words carried a lot of weight.

If Korea can deal with the President labeling them as evil alongside Iraq who he was about to go to war with, I'm sure they can deal with any verbal complaints some diplomats might have made behind closed doors.

PGHammer said,
There are plenty of truth-challenged individuals out there; unfortunately, some of them run countries armed wwith nukes or chemical/biological weapons.

Isn't US one of those countries? Self-centered power-hungry nuke-wielding truch-fearing country..

XIII said,

He should win the dealth penalty, no more no less. He is just an attention whore who didn't look at the big picture. If the US was to collapse, Russia and China will take over, would you prefer Russia or China over US ?

Put down the kool-aid... and think about what you are saying.

North Korea and Iran have already been labelled as part of the "Axis of Evil", the US President Satan... & so forth. So what now, a few cables calling North Korea a spoilt child will cause trouble? Really? Reeeeaaalllyyy?

omnicoder said,
Have they said who was responsible for the DDOS yet? I'm interested to know if it was a govt or an individual.

i bets it was hilary clinton

omnicoder said,
Have they said who was responsible for the DDOS yet? I'm interested to know if it was a govt or an individual.

I am sure they have a document about this attack. They will leak it in one month...

omnicoder said,
Have they said who was responsible for the DDOS yet? I'm interested to know if it was a govt or an individual.

A hacker has taken responsibility for it. http://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/8928679056900096

Apparently this Jester guy is well known for doing this and has performed many DDOS attacks against Wikileaks and other websites, his twitter feed appears to just be a list of all the attacks his been involved with. I got this link from one of the news sites covering the Cable leaks (The Guardian or something like that)

Vice said,

A hacker has taken responsibility for it. http://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/8928679056900096

Apparently this Jester guy is well known for doing this and has performed many DDOS attacks against Wikileaks and other websites, his twitter feed appears to just be a list of all the attacks his been involved with. I got this link from one of the news sites covering the Cable leaks (The Guardian or something like that)


As this person has essentially admitted to hiijacking many thousands of PC's around the world (that;s how a DDoS works after all), couldn't a government law enforcement agency just demand that Twitter hand over connection details for this individual and then track them down?

TCLN Ryster said,

As this person has essentially admitted to hiijacking many thousands of PC's around the world (that;s how a DDoS works after all), couldn't a government law enforcement agency just demand that Twitter hand over connection details for this individual and then track them down?

If he's smart enough to DDOS on such a scale and is comfortable enough to post said DDoSing on Twitter, do you honestly think he directly connects to Twitter from his home PC?

The Protagonist said,

i bets it was hilary clinton

No, She's too busy, It's Bill Clinton doing it, she's keeping him busy with that instead of surfing youporn.

TCLN Ryster said,

As this person has essentially admitted to hiijacking many thousands of PC's around the world (that;s how a DDoS works after all), couldn't a government law enforcement agency just demand that Twitter hand over connection details for this individual and then track them down?

Could they? Possibly, if the attacker isn't clever enough to protect himself. However, can you think of any Government agency that would go after him, seeing as he is technically helping the Government by crashing the site?