Wikipedia dumps Google Maps for its mobile apps

A few days ago, we reported that OpenStreetMap, an open source internet mapping project that gets direct support from Microsoft, was slowly but surely making some inroads in the mapping marketplace. Today, it was announced that OpenStreetMap had secured a major new agreement with Wikipedia, another service that relies on volunteers and open source development.

In a post on the official Wikipedia blog, the organization announced that its apps for Android and iOS would no longer use Google Maps for its nearby view feature in favor of OpenStreetMap. The post stated:

This closely aligns with our goal of making knowledge available in a free and open manner to everyone. This also means we no longer have to use proprietary Google APIs in our code, which helps it run on the millions of cheap Android handsets that are purely open source and do not have the proprietary Google applications.

While the actual map data comes from OpenStreetMap, the Wikipedia apps will use tiles provided by AOL's MapQuest.

The blog post also announced that since the launch of the Android Wikipedia app in January, it has had over 2.25 million copies installed and generated 23 million page views per month. New versions of both the Android and iOS versions of the app have also been released this week with a number of new features. Users can expect updates to both apps every two weeks or so.

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See, Google? See what can happen when you switch to a paid model for your services? You instantly get replaced with other inferior solutions because their service is free. I knew this was going to happen, hell I even wrote them my frustrations, but it doesn't matter, little 'ol me will just go on being ignored. As soon as my site hits the max for API calls on their maps API, I'll be switching too. Adsense just doesn't cover the cot.

ScottDaMan said,
See, Google? See what can happen when you switch to a paid model for your services? You instantly get replaced with other inferior solutions because their service is free. I knew this was going to happen, hell I even wrote them my frustrations, but it doesn't matter, little 'ol me will just go on being ignored. As soon as my site hits the max for API calls on their maps API, I'll be switching too. Adsense just doesn't cover the cot.

Yep, and if you actually want to put the maps in an app it's insane! They did this to themselves. I'm going to be looking into OpenStreetMap myself.

ScottDaMan said,
See, Google? See what can happen when you switch to a paid model for your services? You instantly get replaced with other inferior solutions because their service is free. I knew this was going to happen, hell I even wrote them my frustrations, but it doesn't matter, little 'ol me will just go on being ignored. As soon as my site hits the max for API calls on their maps API, I'll be switching too. Adsense just doesn't cover the cot.

What is your site or app that uses Google Maps? Does it make anywhere near 25,000 api calls per day. if not you are safe for the time being.

UndergroundWire said,
What is your site or app that uses Google Maps? Does it make anywhere near 25,000 api calls per day. if not you are safe for the time being.

Most people that make apps want to make money. More money means more users. It will be tough when developers reach that ceiling and realize all their app revenues now have to go back to Google.

dotf said,

Most people that make apps want to make money. More money means more users. It will be tough when developers reach that ceiling and realize all their app revenues now have to go back to Google.

Again, that's why I want to know what the website is. GUARANTEED his site is not pulling in 25,000 API calls.

There should be at least a choice. OSM has crappy designed maps - overloaded with useless information with insane colorset.

There is always hate for something which dominates a region of this planet, both physical and virtual. Human crap psychology (now we have a great thing, lets try to beat it!!, by going against it)
Weird but anyway Google Maps wont die, Google maps has become a huge thing for Google just like Ads or GMAIL so yeah fat chance of that dying!

Shahrad said,
There is always hate for something which dominates a region of this planet, both physical and virtual. Human crap psychology (now we have a great thing, lets try to beat it!!, by going against it)
Weird but anyway Google Maps wont die, Google maps has become a huge thing for Google just like Ads or GMAIL so yeah fat chance of that dying!

Die, no, but it'll start to lose users and see a dip in revenue for Google. How big or small this will be will depend on how many other companies will also decide to switch off of Google Maps and on to something else to cut their costs.

Well, Google could also cut prices, but yeah, deep down I don't see that going on.

GP007 said,

Die, no, but it'll start to lose users and see a dip in revenue for Google. How big or small this will be will depend on how many other companies will also decide to switch off of Google Maps and on to something else to cut their costs.

Well, Google could also cut prices, but yeah, deep down I don't see that going on.

No, and I don't think they would ever cut the price enough. It's WAY up there...

GP007 said,

Die, no, but it'll start to lose users and see a dip in revenue for Google.

How has Google been doing with their revenue? Where is the majority of their revenue coming from all these years? OK, next question. When did Google start chagrining for Maps? Since late October 2011. So in reality, they won't be terribly affected and the servers won't be overloaded with heavy requests.

P1R4T3 said,
Why the hate for Google Maps?

I don't think it's "hate" it's business, as some have said already, it's not free to use in apps/business etc. They're doing the switch to save money and wikipedia isn't some big rich company though others are also switching.

GP007 said,

I don't think it's "hate" it's business, as some have said already, it's not free to use in apps/business etc. They're doing the switch to save money and wikipedia isn't some big rich company though others are also switching.

It's freaking expensive! That's the problem here. It's really outrageous. I'm glad to see more people dropping Google Maps. It's not like Google doesn't plaster their logo all over everything. It should be a cost of advertising their brand. It's absurd.

M_Lyons10 said,

It's freaking expensive! That's the problem here. It's really outrageous. I'm glad to see more people dropping Google Maps. It's not like Google doesn't plaster their logo all over everything. It should be a cost of advertising their brand. It's absurd.

Absurd? Do you know the pricing? Let me shed some clarification for people that don't know. The Google Developer team announced that the era of unlimited Google Maps usage for free is officially over. Developers whose apps load more than 25,000 basic maps or 2,500 stylized maps per day will have to cough up some cash.

So you see, for big websites like foursquare or Wikipedia that used Google Maps, they were putting a heavy load on map requests. So why should Google still keep it free for heavy request users. So if you are a small developer that doesn't see that kind of volume, it is still free for you to use.

M_Lyons10 said,
It's freaking expensive! That's the problem here. It's really outrageous. I'm glad to see more people dropping Google Maps. It's not like Google doesn't plaster their logo all over everything. It should be a cost of advertising their brand. It's absurd.

It gets even more if you're a bad coder and call the same tile every time you refresh the client app.

Brian Miller said,
Looks nice. I heard Apple will dump Google for Esri Maps too.

You have no idea what is coming with ESRI do you? ArcGIS online which is currently free will be going with a tiered pricing model for accessing and using their maps. Should be coming soon when ArcGIS 10.1 is released.

It's nice to see a fellow GIS person though. It's a shame most people look at you like you have to heads when you say that you are in GIS.

UndergroundWire said,

You have no idea what is coming with ESRI do you? ArcGIS online which is currently free will be going with a tiered pricing model for accessing and using their maps. Should be coming soon when ArcGIS 10.1 is released.

It's nice to see a fellow GIS person though. It's a shame most people look at you like you have to heads when you say that you are in GIS.

I know exactly what's going on inside of Esri... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
Apple came to meet my team not to long ago so I may have some secrets to share....

Brian Miller said,

I know exactly what's going on inside of Esri... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
Apple came to meet my team not to long ago so I may have some secrets to share....

Understood

Brian Miller said,

I know exactly what's going on inside of Esri... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
Apple came to meet my team not to long ago so I may have some secrets to share....

Oh yeah, if you you believe this crap, I have a Ponzi scheme that will make you a millionaire by tomorrow.

rijp said,

Oh yeah, if you you believe this crap, I have a Ponzi scheme that will make you a millionaire by tomorrow.

Actually I talked to an ESRI Rep in the NYC office and he did confirm what this guy is saying. It isn't final but Apple did meet with ESRI for their mapping. I really hope this is true in the iOS side (specifically for me the iPad). For one, it presents great opportunities with field mapping applications and its tight integration with the OS.

This is the beginning of the end of Google Map's dominance. Apple also plan to dump Google Maps in iOS 6 and that is going to be a major hit for Google. Will be interesting to see what Google do in response to this, will they let it die and focus elsewhere? or will they try to revamp it and make it more competitive? only time will tell I guess.

Xerxes said,
This is the beginning of the end of Google Map's dominance. Apple also plan to dump Google Maps in iOS 6 and that is going to be a major hit for Google. Will be interesting to see what Google do in response to this, will they let it die and focus elsewhere? or will they try to revamp it and make it more competitive? only time will tell I guess.

Let it die? Google Maps is not going anywhere and is still the market leader - nowhere near dead. It will take several years for competitors to actually catch up to the same level of functionality and unless Google stagnates development like Microsoft did with IE (unlikely), Google Maps will always be ahead.

Simon- said,

Let it die? Google Maps is not going anywhere and is still the market leader - nowhere near dead. It will take several years for competitors to actually catch up to the same level of functionality and unless Google stagnates development like Microsoft did with IE (unlikely), Google Maps will always be ahead.

Perhaps "die" was a too strong word, it'll still be around for years to come but it won't be as dominant as it is now.

I wouldn't be so sure it'll always be ahead. Google Maps is damn good, I use it all the time but with MS backing OpenStreetMap you can expect to see it taking leaps and bounds forward over the coming years. When companies start to realize there are good alternatives to Google Maps, Google's dominance will no longer be assured.

Let it die? It won't be dominant? You made me laugh, do you know what a huge success it is with Google Earth Pro? Do you know that companies pay for the pro version to use it? My company uses Google Earth Pro for a reason. There is also a reason why companies like ESRI that are afraid of the GIS capabilities of Google Earth. There is a reason why Autodesk supports exporting maps into KMZ files. You really don't know much about the GIS side of the industry to pass such judgement. Which is why I know your predictions are nothing more than an amateur guess at best.

UndergroundWire said,
Let it die? It won't be dominant? You made me laugh, do you know what a huge success it is with Google Earth Pro? Do you know that companies pay for the pro version to use it? My company uses Google Earth Pro for a reason. There is also a reason why companies like ESRI that are afraid of the GIS capabilities of Google Earth. There is a reason why Autodesk supports exporting maps into KMZ files. You really don't know much about the GIS side of the industry to pass such judgement. Which is why I know your predictions are nothing more than an amateur guess at best.

This.

Xerxes said,
This is the beginning of the end of Google Map's dominance. Apple also plan to dump Google Maps in iOS 6 and that is going to be a major hit for Google. Will be interesting to see what Google do in response to this, will they let it die and focus elsewhere? or will they try to revamp it and make it more competitive? only time will tell I guess.

first of all you are blowing smoke.

second of all Apple has NO official announcements regarding IOS6 or ANY future release.

third all signs point to Google Map being an even LARGER influence than before.

So I don't believe your statement, you just want to THINK you have news when you don't.. Google Earth isn't going anywhere. Apple will NOT drop them.

Google Earth works better than anything else, why re-invent the wheel? That's just dumb.

rijp said,

first of all you are blowing smoke.

second of all Apple has NO official announcements regarding IOS6 or ANY future release.

third all signs point to Google Map being an even LARGER influence than before.

So I don't believe your statement, you just want to THINK you have news when you don't.. Google Earth isn't going anywhere. Apple will NOT drop them.

Google Earth works better than anything else, why re-invent the wheel? That's just dumb.

Huh? I never said anything about Google Earth I said Google Maps please read more carefully. Why people keep bringing Earth up for? I never said a thing about Google Earth being dumped, I just mean Google Maps is losing it's influence. I can't see how you think it's influence is growing? companies are starting to dump it for free alternatives and now MS is backing one of them, this trend will only grow. To reiterate, I'm talking about Google Maps! stop babbling about how Google Earth is going nowhere, it's irrelevant to this conversation.

EDIT: It is very likely Apple will drop Google Maps sometime in the future, the writing is all over the wall. They have already dumped Google Maps for the iPhoto iOS app and it as been heavily rumored Apple are secretly working on their own mapping technology/app to replace Google Maps. Granted it's all rumors and you can dismiss them as wishful thinking, however, considering Apple have been buying alot of companies that either do mapping or mapping related technology (plus the move with iPhoto) it does give at least a grain of credibility to it.

Edited by Xerxes, Apr 6 2012, 11:32pm :

Xerxes said,

Huh? I never said anything about Google Earth I said Google Maps please read more carefully. Why people keep bringing Earth up for? I never said a thing about Google Earth being dumped, I just mean Google Maps is losing it's influence

Dude, Google Earth is Google Maps. What do they use two different services? Are they two different mappings? Reevaluate what you said now to make more sense.

So if Google Earth is successful, why would Google Mpas be on a decline? Now there is a head scratcher.

UndergroundWire said,

Dude, Google Earth is Google Maps. What do they use two different services? Are they two different mappings? Reevaluate what you said now to make more sense.

So if Google Earth is successful, why would Google Mpas be on a decline? Now there is a head scratcher.

Google Earth and Google Maps are offered as separate services (Google Earth just uses the Google Maps data and technology). Apple for example does not license Google Earth for iOS, they just use Google Maps. Google Maps can decline as an independent mapping service while remaining strong as part of Google Earth which is a separate market. In the event of that happening, Google Maps would live on as an integral part of Google Earth but have little to no influence beyond it.

Google Earth's dominance doesn't equal Google Map's dominance. Google Earth is merely a Google product that is based on Google Maps underlying technology (and data). Google Maps as an independent product, which competes with the likes of Bing Maps, OpenStreetMaps etc is what under threat not Google Earth.

Xerxes said,

Google Earth and Google Maps are offered as separate services (Google Earth just uses the Google Maps data and technology). Apple for example does not license Google Earth for iOS, they just use Google Maps. Google Maps can decline as an independent mapping service while remaining strong as part of Google Earth which is a separate market. In the event of that happening, Google Maps would live on as an integral part of Google Earth but have little to no influence beyond it.

Google Earth's dominance doesn't equal Google Map's dominance. Google Earth is merely a Google product that is based on Google Maps underlying technology (and data). Google Maps as an independent product, which competes with the likes of Bing Maps, OpenStreetMaps etc is what under threat not Google Earth.

They are the same map services regardless. They are the same team. Google Earth is just a program with extra capabilities. It still utilizes the same map service. Google Earth Pro has been very successful with business (especially in the engineering and GIS field).

If Google Maps fails, what is Google going to use for their maps? The two are interlinked. Google Earth Pro's revenue and Google Maps revenue are pooled to the same department. END OF STORY.

Google Maps is still a smart choice to use in the beginning since it is free up to 25,000 API calls.

still1 said,
bad move/// Google maps is a lot better atm

Yeah, but it is also very expensive to use. That is why foursquare a month ago dumped Google Maps to go with Open Street Maps. I don't blame them one bit but I agree, Google Maps is much better.

still1 said,
bad move/// Google maps is a lot better atm

Where I live, and much of the uk in general, osm is far more detailed, in fact when you compare them side by side google maps is embarrassingly bad.

still1 said,
bad move/// Google maps is a lot better atm

Just because Google maps is a lot better doesn't make it a bad move you Google fanboy you.

Martin5000 said,

Where I live, and much of the uk in general, osm is far more detailed, in fact when you compare them side by side google maps is embarrassingly bad.


Is it the basemap that is bad or the aerial photography (being outdated or lack of street view)?

funkydude said,

Just because Google maps is a lot better doesn't make it a bad move you Google fanboy you.


You do the same when someone ditch some MS product... You just hate Google and want to bash it whenever possible... there is no difference between you and me... also, I said "Google maps is a lot better atm" At The Moment, which mean I would support if Openstreet becomes better

still1 said,

You do the same when someone ditch some MS product... You just hate Google and want to bash it whenever possible... there is no difference between you and me... also, I said "Google maps is a lot better atm" At The Moment, which mean I would support if Openstreet becomes better

When someone ditches product A it doesn't affect my life, so no I don't "do the same". Also, I didn't suggest that you were saying OSM wouldn't get better, you came to that conclusion all by yourself, somehow.

FYI I love your avatar, it mimics what Google is doing to you so well.

funkydude said,

When someone ditches product A it doesn't affect my life, so no I don't "do the same". Also, I didn't suggest that you were saying OSM wouldn't get better, you came to that conclusion all by yourself, somehow.

FYI I love your avatar, it mimics what Google is doing to you so well.


Yes, I came to conclusion and its my opinion!! and why in the f does it butt hurt you??? I love how it makes you butt hurt when i say "Bad move and Google map is lot better" hahah And i don't care if they F me over!! One way or the other some companies F you over too.. you just don't realize it yet...

funkydude said,
FYI I love your avatar, it mimics what Google is doing to you so well.

So you are agreeing with Still1 when he said you are just a hater?

Anyway, liking a product doesn't make you a fanboy. So am I a Apple, Google and Microsoft Fanboy because I love certain products?

I prefer an iPad over an Android Tablet (although I have both).
I prefer an Android Phone over an iPhone (although I have both). I guess I am a Google Fanboy.
I prefer Windows 7 over OSX. I guess I am a Microsoft Fanboy.
I prefer Gmail over Live Mail. I guess I am Google Fanboy.
I prefer Microsoft Office over any productivity software out there. I guess I am Microsoft Fanboy.
I prefer Firefox over Chrome or Internet Explorer. I guess now I am a Microsoft and Google Hater.
I prefer Google Maps over Bing Maps. I guess I am Google Fanboy.
I prefer Google Search over Bing Search. I guess I am Google Fanboy.
I prefer the Xbox over Apple TV and Google TV. I guess I am a Microsoft Fanboy.

Wow this is all so crazy. I have a headache.

UndergroundWire said,

Anyway, liking a product doesn't make you a fanboy.

It doesn't nor did I suggest it did anywhere. The fanboy comment was spoken in general as that's the behaviour he exhibits towards every Google product. Are you trying to say my claim is incorrect?

still1 said,

Yes, I came to conclusion and its my opinion!! and why in the f does it butt hurt you??? I love how it makes you butt hurt when i say "Bad move and Google map is lot better" hahah And i don't care if they F me over!! One way or the other some companies F you over too.. you just don't realize it yet...

How does it "butt hurt" me as you so elegantly put it? You made a comment, to which I then responded, to which you felt the need to defend yourself against as if it was some kind of attack. Yet, I'm "butt hurt"?

funkydude said,

How does it "butt hurt" me as you so elegantly put it? You made a comment, to which I then responded, to which you felt the need to defend yourself against as if it was some kind of attack. Yet, I'm "butt hurt"?


If you put it that way then it will look like you are not butt hurt.. let me do the same and put it my way...
I replied to a topic and you got butt hurt when i said its "Bad move and Google map is BETTER" and you felt the need to bash it and then i defended and it continued...

still1 said,

If you put it that way then it will look like you are not butt hurt.. let me do the same and put it my way...
I replied to a topic and you got butt hurt when i said its "Bad move and Google map is BETTER" and you felt the need to bash it and then i defended and it continued...

I didn't bash anything. Infact I was responding to your "bashing" of Wikipedia's move by calling it "bad". I was suggesting there is far more for Wikipedia to consider than just Google Maps being better (hence the "just because it's better doesn't make it bad" comment), for example, cost. I was *trying* to open your eyes to other possibilities but I failed and instead you reacted as the "saviour" of Google Maps, claiming I'm bashing it and then getting "butt hurt" (again as elegant as ever).

Oh well, some people can't see past their own nose.

funkydude said,

I didn't bash anything. Infact I was responding to your "bashing" of Wikipedia's move by calling it "bad". I was suggesting there is far more for Wikipedia to consider than just Google Maps being better (hence the "just because it's better doesn't make it bad" comment), for example, cost. I was *trying* to open your eyes to other possibilities but I failed and instead you reacted as the "saviour" of Google Maps, claiming I'm bashing it and then getting "butt hurt" (again as elegant as ever).

Oh well, some people can't see past their own nose.


You call that bashing Wikipedia!!!! I lol'ed... I use Wikipedia a lot and when I use the map I want it to be better and rather not some map which is just started to grow.. Google map is better in my opinion than open map. I repeat... IN MY OPINION..
Its better for me than a map which don't have enough information..
it will affect the way i use Wikipedia..So, my comment showing disapproval.. You cannot stand anything related to Google and all you do is go to Google related topics and bash and you call me i was bashing wikipdedia... Infact you were trying to bash Google here yet AGAIN.. I think if there is any news related to google you get Butt Hurt and i am loving that


You call that bashing Wikipedia

Please learn to read, you are bashing Wikipedia's move away from Google Maps by calling it "bad"

I want it to be better and rather not some map which is just started to grow.. Google map is better in my opinion than open map. I repeat... IN MY OPINION..

Please learn to read (and preferably open your mind). There's a lot more than just "which is best" for Wikipedia to consider, like I've already said, cost.


Its better for me than a map which don't have enough information..

So what if it's better for you, is it better for Wikipedia's long term longevity? Again, open your eyes.

it will affect the way i use Wikipedia..So, my comment showing disapproval..

Obviously it's showing disapproval or I wouldn't have responded, I was pointing out that it was extremely short sighted of you, which it is, because it doesn't consider all the facts, only "which is better".

You cannot stand anything related to Google and all you do is go to Google related topics and bash and you call me i was bashing wikipdedia... Infact you were trying to bash Google here yet AGAIN.. I think if there is any news related to google you get Butt Hurt and i am loving that

I really can't understand what this has to do with "bashing" Google at all, it's like you've lost the ability to talk without mentioning Google at least once.

Edited by funkydude, Apr 6 2012, 5:54pm :

[quote=funkydude said,]

Please learn to read, you are bashing Wikipedia's move away from Google Maps by calling it "bad"
[/quote]
Learn to read?? I wrote it... when i typed "bad move" I meant disapproval and not bashing... you concluded I was bashing... Is it my opinion or your??? yeah my opinion... If i say its not bashing its not bashing


[quote=funkydude said,]
Please learn to read (and preferably open your mind). There's a lot more than just "which is best" for Wikipedia to consider, like I've already said, cost.
[/quote] So??? its their justification and My justification is usabilty.. and wtf are you doing coming between a disapproval between Me and Wikipedia???


[quote=funkydude said,]
So what if it's better for you, is it better for Wikipedia's long term longevity? Again, open your eyes.[/quote]
Again,wtf are you doing coming between a disapproval between Me and Wikipedia???

[quote=still1]it will affect the way i use Wikipedia..So, my comment showing disapproval..


so I am not suppose to have a disapproval about any thing and you come to make your view the right way and you impose that on other... you commented because you didnt like my disapproval and thats called Butt hurt... Its my opinion dude and I consider my usability... and why do you care if i dont like this move... oh wait butt hurt.... I see... Google is the best did it hurt again?

Sounds like you're mad with all those caps, guess I touched a nerve. It wasn't about your disapproval, it was about getting you to see more points of view, something which I failed to do. I won't bother repeating what I've said time and time again, good day sir.

funkydude said,

It doesn't nor did I suggest it did anywhere. The fanboy comment was spoken in general as that's the behaviour he exhibits towards every Google product. Are you trying to say my claim is incorrect?

I'm not trying to say anything. I AM SAYING your avatar comment clearly says you are just a hater. It was the only thing I quoted of you.

funkydude said,
Sounds like you're mad with all those caps, guess I touched a nerve. It wasn't about your disapproval, it was about getting you to see more points of view, something which I failed to do. I won't bother repeating what I've said time and time again, good day sir.

Holly crap you touched my never /s Caps because the formatting looks bad and hard to read my reply.... thats what you should have dome long ago...just dont impose your views on other and let others have their own view..

UndergroundWire said,

Yeah, but it is also very expensive to use. That is why foursquare a month ago dumped Google Maps to go with Open Street Maps. I don't blame them one bit but I agree, Google Maps is much better.

How expensive will it be when no one uses their product... that's WHY google can get the high $$$ for using their products, because they KNOW people request it.

I won't use a product UNLESS it has Google Maps, even my GPS using Google maps.. Google simply does it better, PERIOD.

still1 said,
bad move/// Google maps is a lot better atm

This is where you are technically kind of correct in terms of features.

However when you consider that this project needs a boost and an open mapping format might be good consumers, even Microsoft has hinted about a more open mapping technology that fits the mold of what Wikipedia brought to the world. (Which killed Encarta.)

The other part people still can't get in their head... Google Maps is free for a reason, it is all about data collection on place and people, and in a world where information is power/money, it is freaking crazy that people are so willing to hand over free information to Google just to use their Maps. (Especially when you can use Bing, and several others that DO NOT use the tracking or location data.)

rijp said,

How expensive will it be when no one uses their product... that's WHY google can get the high $$$ for using their products, because they KNOW people request it.

I won't use a product UNLESS it has Google Maps, even my GPS using Google maps.. Google simply does it better, PERIOD.

You completely lost me. And you are not getting what I said at all.