Windows 7 hits milestone 3

Mary-Jo Foley's blog reports some of the new things in Microsoft's internally released Windows 7 milestone.

The successor to Windows Vista is only about a year away and scheduled to go into beta next month. The ribbon UI from Office 2007 seems to have migrated into some of the Windows Vista applications. A few other observations include that Powershell is part of the build along with rewritten versions of MS Paint, Calculator, and Word Pad.

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I have to admit, so far, with what Microsoft has let the testers share with the internet is pretty uneventful. It's like, "Oh... and what else?"

But it's all part of the plan. The testers want to share more of what's in Windows 7 but they are not allowed to. Let's just wait and see what Microsoft has to offer during PDC, and after we play around with the beta, THEN we can either start talking **** or praise Windows 7. Geez.

Let's see if Microsoft learned anything through Vista.

Windows 7 is looking like Windows Vista Second Edition which is all I figured they could do with what they had.

I just hope it's faster then vista....

Windows 7 will break half the apps written before 2008, and devices bought before 3rd quarter of 2008 will not work until drivers are available 6 months after the OS's release.

Then the good feeling toward the OS will turn sour.... real sour.....

Of course, there's a chance that I'm wrong and Microsoft miraculously make all my Win16 and DOS apps work again.

On 2nd thought, maybe there's a very high chance of that happening, with the new fangled virtualization mambo jambo thingy they're touting.

(mocax said @ #26)
Windows 7 will break half the apps written before 2008, and devices bought before 3rd quarter of 2008 will not work until drivers are available 6 months after the OS's release.Then the good feeling toward the OS will turn sour.... real sour.....

Of course, there's a chance that I'm wrong and Microsoft miraculously make all my Win16 and DOS apps work again.

On 2nd thought, maybe there's a very high chance of that happening, with the new fangled virtualization mambo jambo thingy they're touting.

Not true. MS has already stated that they are not changing the driver model in Win7, they learned their lessons with Vista.

And what Win16 and DOS apps are you still running at this late stage that don't work under WOW32? Point of sale software? Or are you trying to use a 64bit system to use 16bit software?

Modular core, VHD support built-in, GUI updates, new versions of Paint/Wordpad etc, new terminal (PowerShell)

Seems like enough changes to justify calling it a new version of Windows. Although its somewhat ironic to see a lot of the XP fans who didn't like the major changes in Vista to start saying that Windows 7 doesn't have enough new changes.....?!

Good work guys this article was about two refreshed windows features and you still don't miss a chance to argue about which is the better OS, XP or Vista. Well i have news for you: I don't care which one is the best. XP is dead vista is the new Windows OS now. Deal with it!

(offroadaaron said @ #20.3)

not admitting that something is bad is the first sign of weekness.

Bad in this sense is a matter of opinion. You could say you don't like it, fine, but keep posting uselessness all over the place just makes you look stupid. There is a line between voicing your objective opinion and then just sounding like a idiot.

(scaramonga said @ #20)

When?........where?


LOL! :laugh:

Q: When?
Ans.: After releasing Windows Vista SP1

Q: Where?
Ans.: On a PC with a Core 2 Duo CPU or higher, 2GB or more RAM, SATA HDD & a good AGP. I think u don't have those that's why u asked those questions. Dear, plz meet with Windows Vista recommend hardware requirements & thn comments.

(GP007 said @ #20.4)

Bad in this sense is a matter of opinion. You could say you don't like it, fine, but keep posting uselessness all over the place just makes you look stupid. There is a line between voicing your objective opinion and then just sounding like a idiot.

and calling someone an idiot for the sake of it doesn't make you look smart either.

here is a picture for you http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg

MS paint looks beautiful. But please integrate paint.net into paint via an 'advanced' ribbon tab or something like that since it's awesome. And for those complaining about 7 being a VistaSE, you're right- alot of technologies went into Vista and even though the OS was perceived as a failure, it did set new turf for future versions of Windows. Whether it works out well time will tell.

Sorry to bring out Mac in a Windows thread, I like paint but would like it better if it was kinda how Mac use windows, EG the toolbars are seperate from with window that way the tools can be placed on one screen and the picture on another.... anyways its looking much more up-to-date then its looking ATM.

Regarding the Home Group thing...

Not that I'm complaining about it, but has anyone noticed that the implementation of activation and one-copy-one-computer becoming absolute seems to have coincided with the sudden push toward a home networking focus and having many computers running Windows within the same household?

That is to say, they're heavily advertising sharing and networking between Windows PCs, all the while requiring us to repurchase copies of Windows for each of those PCs, and both directions seem to have been taken at the same time.

I honestly hope that if MS wants to turn Windows into the staying-connected OS of Bill Gates' vision, they're planning to allow more than one activation per product key at some point soon.

Or, perhaps more importantly, allow windows to connect/share to more than 10 machines at a time? That ridiculous proscription (designed to boost Windows Server sales) just doesn't make sense in the modern family home and no family is going to buy and admin ANY version of server just to connect their music collections between their laptops, desktops, phones, PDAs, and TVs...

You two do realise how sad it is that you're trying to make everyone think that?

Yes, it looks similar to Vista. That doesn't mean it is Vista. Somehow I don't think you'll ever get that. Until you get to use of it course.

(Of course, I could mention the OS X updates, but that would be far too easy)

"XP" and "rules" don't belong together, unless you make a sentence like "it rules seeing what a piece of **** XP is".

Is everybody really going nuts about Windows 7 just because of the ribbon bar in Paint and WordPad? Everybody (blog) that had the chance of looking at M3 say it's not that much different from Vista.... So?

And why not just give a bucket load of money to the Paint.NET dev and make it part of Win7 with the ribbonbar? Looking at the screen shoot, does not seem any better... Okay, so it's the first real update to Paint since Windows 3.0, big deal...

I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.

I'm not excited, not at all.... Windows 7 is shaping up to be a very minor release that could have been a BIG service pack to Vista. Anyway, time will tell.

(TruckWEB said @ #11)
I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.

*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.

(Joshie said @ #11.1)

*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.


You can make a Horse snort; but it's still a horse.

(Joshie said @ #11.1)

*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.

I concur, openoffice is just plain horrible, the worst, and I really hate saying that because I would love to see a viable competitor to ANYTHING that the greedy team in redmond can concoct but sadly openoffice doesn't have a prayer.

(James Riske said @ #11.3)

I concur, openoffice is just plain horrible, the worst, and I really hate saying that because I would love to see a viable competitor to ANYTHING that the greedy team in redmond can concoct but sadly openoffice doesn't have a prayer.


What's wrong with OO? I haven't used it that much (legally own Office 2007) but it seems like a pretty capable package in its own right. I'm sure a lot of people could do productive work with OpenOffice. Depends on your needs though I suppose, but it's the best full-feature desktop package available as an alternative to Office so far.

(TruckWEB said @ #1)
Windows 7 is shaping up to be a very minor release that could have been a BIG service pack to Vista. Anyway, time will tell.

So What? General users don't think about that. They want a well burnished, Crash & Bugs free, Speedy & Secure Operation system. minor or major doesn't problem for mass people.

(Faisal Islam said @ #11.5)

So What? General users don't think about that. They want a well burnished, Crash & Bugs free, Speedy & Secure Operation system. minor or major doesn't problem for mass people.

BOLD DOESN'T MAKE YOU STAND OUT ENOUGH... TRY CAPS, TOO.

(James Riske said @ #11.3)

I concur, openoffice is just plain horrible, the worst, and I really hate saying that because I would love to see a viable competitor to ANYTHING that the greedy team in redmond can concoct but sadly openoffice doesn't have a prayer.

I think you didn't try Go-OO?

(scaramonga said @ #7)
lol.......a lot of work went into that then!...........pity the folk who were stupid enoungh to buy Bloatista.

What?

(MioTheGreat said @ #7.1)

What?


What what? When he says Bloatista he means Vista, cos it's bloated. Not hard to argue with that compared to other operating systems currently in existence. Hell I use Vista and even I think the damn thing is too bloated.

Most people don't even understand what bloated means in terms of code - let alone have a good enough understanding of Vistas code to call it bloated.

(plastikaa said @ #7.4)
Most people don't even understand what bloated means in terms of code - let alone have a good enough understanding of Vistas code to call it bloated.

100% agree, most don't realise that bloat means disproportionate amount of code versus features.

By that definition, can Windows Vista be called bloat?

Oh goody, slightly updated versions of applications no one uses. Powershell?....honestly?!

Can we have some REAL feature/interface news about Windows 7 please? 8)

(excalpius said @ #5)
Oh goody, slightly updated versions of applications no one uses. Powershell?....honestly?!

Can we have some REAL feature/interface news about Windows 7 please? 8)

Those are much needed updates to paint and wordpad, just because you don't use something doesn't make them important. The build was just recently released so information will take some time to come out.

Regarding Powershell, I don't use it but am aware of how powerful it can be. Linux users tend to complain about the lackluster terminal in Windows, and Powershell addresses this somewhat. Boo hoo for Microsoft trying to improve their operating system.

No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.

Regardless, just like it missed doing with Vista, MS needs something to sell END USERS on the next Windows. And this sort of thing isn't even worth covering from an end-user perspective.

What's going to be NEW and WOW in Windows 7?

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.

Regardless, just like it missed doing with Vista, MS needs something to sell END USERS on the next Windows. And this sort of thing isn't even worth covering from an end-user perspective.

What's going to be NEW and WOW in Windows 7? :)


I agree, although the idea that command lines are stuck in the 70's is something that can only be said by someone who hasn't seen the power of a few commands crafted together to solve a task very efficiently. But anyway, that's not something the typical mainstream user would comprehend, which is why I agree.

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.

Command line interfaces still have their uses due to the flexibility of some command line tools that allows one to do advanced batch jobs etc. There's a reason Microsoft Exchange 2007 is now also interfacing with PowerShell. This is nothing about Linux niches, it's about computing in general. It's just that various *nix based operating systems has had more powerful shells than Windows from the start, and Windows is only now catching up.

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.
Windows has always kept up with 1970's level interface paradigms. As a result, Windows for a long time was more advanced than MacOS. Those paradigms are so advanced, Steve partied like it was 1979 and ADDED THEM BACK to MacOS in 2000. Golly gee!

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
Regardless, just like it missed doing with Vista, MS needs something to sell END USERS on the next Windows. And this sort of thing isn't even worth covering from an end-user perspective.
Aero was pretty nice in that regard, but on the other hand this is Neowin. . one of the many techie communities bitching incessantly about the Windows font installation dialog box. . a window that no normal user could possibly find. It interests us when updates are made to UI designs which are almost old enough to vote.

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
What's going to be NEW and WOW in Windows 7? :)
Would a Bill Gates bobble head doll work for you?

(plastikaa said @ #3)
Havent Microsoft said already is a 2010 release?

The latest rumor is that it has been moved up to June 2009 because they want to retire Vista ASAP. It really is Vista SP2 pretty much, rather than a new OS. Same kernel, lots of bug fixes, some updated apps. Maybe it will finally be worth upgrading to.

(toadeater said @ #3.1)

The latest rumor is that it has been moved up to June 2009 because they want to retire Vista ASAP. It really is Vista SP2 pretty much, rather than a new OS. Same kernel, lots of bug fixes, some updated apps. Maybe it will finally be worth upgrading to.

A rumor you likely just made up. Get a life.

(FrozenEclipse said @ #3.2)

A rumor you likely just made up. Get a life.


Last month I had a knock at the door, there stood a couple of religious kooks holding some sort of small newspaper called "Watchtower Society", for a brief moment in time I thought about neowin, I have no idea why, really...

Okay, maybe not Paint, but hopefully WordPad.

Both apps have had the same antiquated UI dating back 13 years; it's about time they got a refresh.

(rm20010 said @ #2)
If this screenshot's anything to go by:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/286281...38798451d_o.png

FINALLY. Windows can now have a decent picture editor and text processor (WordPad also has a ribbon UI).

Look at that interface again. It's mostly just a new UI, not more features. Don't be deceived by the ribbon bar. :p

I can only see a few new predefined "shapes" as the news.

Sure, you may be right it's improved in ways not visible there, but you can't tell that from the screenshot.