Windows 7 pre-orders claim Amazon's top sales spots

Now that Windows 7 pre-orders are being sold for a big discount, Computer World is reporting that buyers are flocking to take advantage of these discounts, and that Windows 7 pre-orders already claimed Amazon's top sales spots for software.

As of 1:30 PM ET, Windows 7 Home Premium, selling for $49.99 has claimed the number one spot of Amazon's bestseller list, while the Professional edition, selling for $99.99 has claimed the number two spot, and the Ultimate edition, selling for $219.99, and not having a discount claimed the number four spot.

The pre-order deals starts today, and goes through July 11 or while supplies last. Microsoft has declined to comment on what kind of cap it had in mind for these pre-order discounts. Customers in the US can pre-order Windows 7 from the Microsoft Store, Amazon.com, Best Buy, Frys, Newegg, Office Depot and Tiger Direct. Customers in Canada can pre-order from Microsoft, Amazon.com, Best Buy, Future Shop, London Drugs, Staples and The Source. Most of these stores are even including free shipping and will deliver Windows 7 on release day, which is October 22nd.

Microsoft has said that Windows 7 upgrades can be purchased and used by users running Windows Vista, Windows XP and even Windows 2000. However, Windows 2000 and XP users must do a clean install of the OS, while Vista users can do an in-place upgrade.

Analysts have criticized Windows 7's pricing, but are praising the pre-order discounts. "The $49 initial price is a nice reward for loyal customers. But the 'real' upgrade pricing is way off for what the market will likely bear, especially during these economic times." said Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with Interpret.

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Pre-order price = not cheaper than OEM so no. Not pre-ordering it. Will wait till Newegg has the OEM's of Ultimate in stock.

PUUUUUHLEEEEEEEZZZZZ...I think your screen name says it all. Nice choice. "Another reason Vista failed was that it was extremely difficult to pirate initially." And that's a bad thing because.....

I don't blame them either, but I was simply stating that they aren't the reason we are where we are today. We would be here regardless because people wanted personal computers. Microsoft just out-marketed everyone else and once they had a strong install base everything else falls into place naturally. If they hadn't sunk so many competitors who were trying to do things better we actually might have advanced further by now. Now with Microsoft owning the install base they can pretty much charge whatever they want for their new OS releases because eventually people will have to upgrade if they want continued support for newer hardware standards. The only reason Vista even failed was because it wasn't necessary at the time. They attempted to force necessity with DX10 which turned out to be an epic failure because the hardware and software didn't exist. This time around the installed base is there and they can continue to overprice the software.

Another reason Vista failed was that it was extremely difficult to pirate initially. Had it been easier it would have caught on like wildfire, which is exactly what Windows 7 will do, though at least this time it has other compelling merits to push it along as well.

Microsoft is stupid. Seriously... get a clue Mr. Gates and Mr. Balmer. I haven't paid for a single one of your OS releases since Windows 95 for which I paid either $130 or $99 for. It was probably the upgrade version but I can't remember, in any case it was the only variant of the OS, there were no 95 Ultimate, 95 Home Premium, 95 Almost Premium, 95 Almost Funtional, or 95 Freakin' Noob Edition. It's all or nothing and not at some ludicrous price. Release one version of Windows only (none of this upgrade BS either), sell it for around $100 USD, and you'll profit more off of it than any previous OS. Originally I actually planned to purchase this next version of Windows but since you've clearly learned nothing, you'll get nothing, and my PC will be running with your slick new OS without any limitations whatsoever. I'll be entirely justified in doing so as well because we all know you're going to release exclusive DX11 titles for Windows 7 to try and force people to upgrade.

So thanks for supporting freeware applications with the release of your new OS.

Now start fighting piracy with low prices.

Hell yea. How can MS knowingly and intentionally sell inferior versions of the product that defines thier entire existance? And at $100, most would surely make the spenditure. Didn't gates only pay $50000 for DOS in the first place?

I understand the argument that they should release one version of an OS and it should be cheaper, but honestly, your argument is the views of a pirate and you only are trying to convince yourself. The Home Edition Upgrade, which is now selling for $50, can install the full version of Windows and is enough for any user. I ordered Professional because I wanted a few more bells and whistles with mine. Windows 7 RC has been fantastic since I, legally, downloaded the RC from Microsoft. For all you people who complain endlessly that MS needs to do this, or MS needs to do that I ask: Where would we be without Microsoft? We have what we have with computers because of MS, and not because YOU did anything.

Honestly, I don't need to convince myself. My views aren't the views of a pirate because I have a 5 foot tall, 2.5 foot wide tower full of purchased movies and games, as well as a multitude of digitally purchased software on my computer. I seriously believe in supporting the industry, but the industry needs to support us as well.

As for where we would be without Microsoft? Another company would have stepped up to the plate and in fact many have tried only to be illegally crushed by Microsoft.

Where would we be without Microsoft, who hijacked the 3D Gaming revolution with Direct3D away from Voodoo Graphics and Glide. You didn't see Microsoft introduce killer 3D to the consumer world.

Windows 95 was NOT the only SKU.

There was also Windows NT Workstation.

So that's Home and Pro right there. That's what we have with Win7, Home and Pro. Plus a few niche options for emerging markets, etc.

Why is it in Europe users don't get such discounts? I really could not care about the antitrust case and want a full version of Windows 7 with IE on board (Windows 7 Ultimate) and not a second rate copy (Windows 7 Ultimate E) at the same price as the USA!!!! Microsoft should offer both options as before for Windows Vista / XP.

1) This is certainly going to encourage greater piracy of the USA version.
2) This is both price and product discrimination - you don't buy a care without an engine!
3) How are users going to get the Internet without at least one web browser on board - out of the box you cannot get the Internet which is crackers!!

Hawk

NightHawk2050 said,
Why is it in Europe users don't get such discounts? I really could not care about the antitrust case and want a full version of Windows 7 with IE on board (Windows 7 Ultimate) and not a second rate copy (Windows 7 Ultimate E) at the same price as the USA!!!! Microsoft should offer both options as before for Windows Vista / XP.

1) This is certainly going to encourage greater piracy of the USA version.
2) This is both price and product discrimination - you don't buy a care without an engine!
3) How are users going to get the Internet without at least one web browser on board - out of the box you cannot get the Internet which is crackers!!

Hawk


Maybe its BECAUSE of the antitrust case... MS spent so much money on a case that clearly limited their product and free market practice. The general public thought this was a crock. Now they are being looked at again. I say MS should charge the EU double on every product sold in the EU because they now must take extra time to comply with their requirements. And for a hedge against future unjust suits.

I agree, it goes back to the old saying: "You reap what you sow"

Microsoft is getting tired of all the crap the EU is slinging their way so they have decided to fight back. I say it is about time!

The EU sent them a bill for something like $1.5 billion. Did they just expect Microsoft to pay the fine, tuck their tail between their legs and become the EU's little plaything?

Hmm... just to be on the safe side, are you allowed to purchase a retail upgrade disc to upgrade an OEM version of Windows Vista? Just wanted to see if something like upgrading from Windows Vista Ultimate (which came with my laptop) to Windows 7 Professional.

rm20010 said,
Hmm... just to be on the safe side, are you allowed to purchase a retail upgrade disc to upgrade an OEM version of Windows Vista? Just wanted to see if something like upgrading from Windows Vista Ultimate (which came with my laptop) to Windows 7 Professional.

you can clean install. you dont need any previous OS.

There may not be a straight answer to that question ... yet.

It was also said that you "couldn't" upgrade from the Windows 7 beta to the RC.
Until we did it by editing a single line in a single file inside the ISO.

The question people should be asking now is:

"Can you upgrade (in place) from the Windows 7 RC to the final released version?"

You know there are an awful lot of people getting used to using that RC right now. However, I am confident some clever people I have encountered will have that worked out soon enough.

warwagon said,
if we can, can we take that upgrade dvd and boot from it on an "Empty" hard drive and do a clean install?

how about a yes or no

It's frustrating that we can't seem to find a straight answer to this question.

Can Vista business users upgrade to windows 7 home premium? to be absolutely clear, if we can, can we take that upgrade dvd and boot from it on an "Empty" hard drive and do a clean install?

Actually you'll be required to do a clean install. The license lets you upgrade from Vista Business to Windows 7 Home Premium, however you can use the upgrade function in Windows 7 Home Premium.

mikefarinha said,
Actually you'll be required to do a clean install. The license lets you upgrade from Vista Business to Windows 7 Home Premium, however you cannot use the upgrade function in Windows 7 Home Premium.

mikefarinha said,

if we can, can we take that upgrade dvd and boot from it on an "Empty" hard drive and do a clean install?

how about a yes or no

They could have at least had pre-order pricing to 7 Ultimate upgraders. Vista Ultimate users are always going to feel ripped off to the max.

xpclient said,
They could have at least had pre-order pricing to 7 Ultimate upgraders. Vista Ultimate users are always going to feel ripped off to the max.

Well you could still get one of the other versions. Just because your Vista is Ultimate doesn't necessary mean you have to get 7 Ultimate.

Yea most of what I liked about Vista Ultimate is actually in Win 7 Pro this go around. Im not even going to worry about 7 Ult.

xpclient said,
Vista Ultimate users are always going to feel ripped off to the max.

isn't that the definition of Ultimate for Microsoft

But seriously, Ultimate has nothing for home users and MS is not about to offer discount to professional users.

statm1 said,
Yea most of what I liked about Vista Ultimate is actually in Win 7 Pro this go around. Im not even going to worry about 7 Ult.

I agree, actually I'd go far enough to say that many of the compelling features of Vista Ultimate are in Windows 7 Home Premium.

For example Home Premium comes with
-Volume Shadow Copy (aka previous version)
-ISS
-Media Center
-Scan & Fax (Not really that big a deal)

The only reasons to get Professional over Home Premium are
-WinXP Mode (Your old copy of XP and Virtual Box can replace this functionality)
-Offline files (Works very well in Win7 but not a deal breaker)
-Remote Desktop (Or download Live Mesh)
-Domain join support (Biggest reason to get Pro)
-Encrypted File System

You'll need ultimate if you also need things like bitlocker and applocker

How odd, why has Microsoft done it like that? :S

Sure, you could choose an inferior version, but that's sidestepping marketing oddities that you shouldn't have to do.

Jugalator said,
How odd, why has Microsoft done it like that? :S.

Microsoft is too big for its own good. It is out of touch with reality.

Jugalator said,
How odd, why has Microsoft done it like that? :S

Sure, you could choose an inferior version, but that's sidestepping marketing oddities that you shouldn't have to do.


Inferior how?

How is Windows 7 Professional inferior to Vista Utlimate?

If I knew for sure how the "clean install" process would go from XP > 7 then I wouldn't be so hesitant to pre-order the upgrade..... >:l

Marshalus said,
Backup all data, erase hard drive, install Windows 7.


I meant more on the lines of......in the future If I wanted to reformat, would I really have to install Windows XP before installing Windows 7 or is it giong to allow me to insert a previous version of Windows to verify my upgrade.

What parts of XP and 200 users needing to do a fresh install don't you get?! If they could be upgraded to 7 then I can see your concern however you cannot.

freeza said,
I meant more on the lines of......in the future If I wanted to reformat, would I really have to install Windows XP before installing Windows 7 or is it giong to allow me to insert a previous version of Windows to verify my upgrade.


Yea, you would have to install XP and then install Windows 7 if you have an upgrade version of Windows 7. That's why I'm gonna get a full copy, or get the TechNet subscription and save some money!

andrewbares said,
Yea, you would have to install XP and then install Windows 7 if you have an upgrade version of Windows 7. That's why I'm gonna get a full copy, or get the TechNet subscription and save some money!


Damn.. I was afraid of that. Guess i'll be going full version too or at least OEM.

No, you don't have to install XP first. I posted this (from the MS Win 7 store page) on the original pre-order article:

* Running Windows Vista?
* If you have Windows Vista, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. You can do a clean install (back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications) or an in-place upgrade (Windows 7 installs over Windows Vista).

* Running earlier versions?
* If you have Windows XP or Windows 2000, you can purchase Windows 7 Upgrade versions. But you must back up your files, clean install, and reinstall your applications.


(Bold emphasis mine.)

You won't have to install Vista or XP then upgrade, so you won't have to install the upgrade twice for a clean install.

GreyWolfSC said,
No, you don't have to install XP first. I posted this (from the MS Win 7 store page) on the original pre-order article:


(Bold emphasis mine.)

You won't have to install Vista or XP then upgrade, so you won't have to install the upgrade twice for a clean install.



PRE-ORDERING!

Yes, But Clean Install can also mean "run the installer from your previous OS and choose to clean install there".
Can the upgrade DVD be installed by booting on an empty harddrive without an OS?

chaosblade said,
Yes, But Clean Install can also mean "run the installer from your previous OS and choose to clean install there".
Can the upgrade DVD be installed by booting on an empty harddrive without an OS?

As with vista, yes. install first without a cd key, then install again with a cd key. I'm pretty sure it's been explained here many times.

koppit said,
As with vista, yes. install first without a cd key, then install again with a cd key. I'm pretty sure it's been explained here many times.


Why would you do that?

Just run the installer from your current OS. You can even install it on the same drive. It will just move your existing Windows, Program Files, and Users folders into a "Windows.old" directory.