Windows 7 Service Pack 1 close to release

An update to Windows 7 released yesterday has given a strong clue that a final release of the first service pack for the operating system isn't too far away.

According to a Microsoft support page, the imaginatively-named KB976902 (Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 installation software feature update) makes changes to the operating system's servicing stack, needed to install and remove software updates, language packs, optional Windows features, and service packs.

''This update is necessary to successfully install and to remove any service packs to all versions of Windows 7 and on Windows Server 2008 R2,'' the page reads.

As Neowin forum user +TCLN Ryster pointed out, the very same update was required for installation of beta and release candidate versions of Service Pack 1, which would suggest that a finished version of the service pack is nearing a public release. Microsoft has promised that SP1 would be made available in the first half of this year. A public beta was released in July last year, followed by a release candidate in October.

Some Neowin forum users have reported that the update only appears after installing all other available updates and checking again after a restart.

Along with various bug fixes, Service Pack 1 will bring dynamic memory support to Hyper-V in Windows Server 2008 R2, allowing administrators to pool all memory available on a physical host and dynamically distribute it to virtual machines running on that host as needed. RemoteFX will add enhanced desktop virtualization aimed at giving remote users the same experience as those sitting at a workstation.

Given Microsoft's fondness for releasing service packs on either a Monday or a Tuesday - Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows XP Service Pack 3 were both released on Tuesdays, XP Service Pack 1 on a Monday - the soonest Windows 7 Service Pack 1 is likely to be available is January 18.

Businesses can continue to use a blocker tool released in November last year until they are ready to deploy Service Pack 1.

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Thanks for this update on the Windows 7 Service Pack. Although SP1 has a few hundred updates, it has next to no new functionalities. Don't expect any new gadgets, groundbreaking features, or interesting visual styles because the days of revolutionary SPs (remember Windows XP SP2?!) are unfortunately over. If you're debating whether or not you need to get it, I put together this blog post on the release candidate a few weeks ago: http://bit.ly/essiEW

Lol vista was a joke from day one, really people sticking up for it, must of spent 99% of there time not touching it. And then they can say it worked fine.. 7 is far better than vista, even in the beta days it was kicking vista's ass. against xp I have to yes, but just xp worked great, but 7 is just that bit better. Back to the OP I don't know if service pack 1 will make a diff, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

lflashl said,
Lol vista was a joke from day one, really people sticking up for it, must of spent 99% of there time not touching it. And then they can say it worked fine.. 7 is far better than vista, even in the beta days it was kicking vista's ass. against xp I have to yes, but just xp worked great, but 7 is just that bit better. Back to the OP I don't know if service pack 1 will make a diff, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

It would help if you knew what you were talking about, but obviously you don't. Name 5 things wrong with Vista to this day.

Aaaaand GO!

lflashl said,
Lol vista was a joke from day one, really people sticking up for it, must of spent 99% of there time not touching it. And then they can say it worked fine.. 7 is far better than vista, even in the beta days it was kicking vista's ass. against xp I have to yes, but just xp worked great, but 7 is just that bit better. Back to the OP I don't know if service pack 1 will make a diff, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Vista was pretty OK. Although most people were trying to install it on a 5-8 year old computer (the one that had Windows XP on it).
Can't blame MS for this if people doesn't upgrade their hardware in the same period. Plus, it was known that Vista required more system resources than XP did.

Lol vista was a joke from day one, really people sticking up for it, must of spent 99% of there time not touching it. And then they can say it worked fine.. 7 is far better than vista, even in the beta days it was kicking vista's ass. against xp I have to yes, but just xp worked great, but 7 is just that bit better. Back to the OP I don't know if service pack 1 will make a diff, I guess I'll have to wait and see.

As long as it includes most or all of the updates that need to be downloaded every time I configure a new Windows 7 machine then it's all good.

I've been using the SP1 beta and RC, and honestly haven't really noticed any improvements. Granted, I haven't exactly been spending a lot of time on my laptop at home lately, but with Vista SP1, you KNEW things were tweaked. The real benefits will be felt in the Server 2008 R2 space, with the improvements in Hyper-V (dynamic memory) and RDS (RemoteFX).

There will be some new features, but a service pack rounds all updates since release and puts them into a service pack.

jasonon said,
anything new or just a pointless service pack?

Only on Neowin.

There's nothing pointless about a service pack.

Personally, love Windows 7. And yes, hated Vista. Vista was simply an abomination deserving of its ridicule. Not that Vista was not stable on new builds, but rather it was problematic at best when upgrading. The underlying problem was that the hardware manufacturers refused to develop Vista drivers for legacy hardware; Microsoft refused to create generic drivers. The result is that users often had a very difficult time upgrading. Many, like me, suffered multiple catastrophic crashes before getting Vista to stabilize.

As to the Windows 7 patch: There is one glaring underlying fault with Windows 7 that Microsoft has failed to address; and that is the "read only" folder problem. For those that have been fortunate enough not to experience this, it is when Windows 7 sets the attributes to nearly all of your folders to "read only", which can greatly affect software upgrades and installation. Even after running the ATTRIB command from the COMMAND prompt, the attributes persist. Microsoft is well aware of the problem, but as of yet, has failed to offer any real solutions. Hopefully the fix will come with the service pack.

bradsday said,
Personally, love Windows 7. And yes, hated Vista. Vista was simply an abomination deserving of its ridicule. Not that Vista was not stable on new builds, but rather it was problematic at best when upgrading. The underlying problem was that the hardware manufacturers refused to develop Vista drivers for legacy hardware; Microsoft refused to create generic drivers. The result is that users often had a very difficult time upgrading. Many, like me, suffered multiple catastrophic crashes before getting Vista to stabilize.
So why does Vista get this complaint, when Win7 would have had the very same problem had it been in the same situation? Lack of support.

Kirkburn said,
So why does Vista get this complaint, when Win7 would have had the very same problem had it been in the same situation? Lack of support.

Exactly. Vista made x64 computing mainstream for one thing.

Kirkburn said,
So why does Vista get this complaint, when Win7 would have had the very same problem had it been in the same situation? Lack of support.

Most of the performance woes lay at the feet of two issues; IHV's not tuning their drivers and the lack of hardware accelerated GDI. Both of those issues are now addressed in Windows 7 but I see Windows Vista as being no worse than what Mac OS X 10.5 was when it was first released.

Ill be playing it safe and waiting to update till after any potential problems are known about/fixed. Ive been burned on getting past Service packs day 1.

don't mean to troll or anything, but... are there any UI updates to this service pack? ;D i just love when service packs have goodies in them... i remember how HUGE SP2 was with XP with the security goodies. that was fun

so, what's new with windows 7 sp1?.

ps :usually, if not most of the time, Microsoft uses service pack release to launch one or another new feature (plus several patches and performance fixes).

I remember Vista's and XP's service packs caused problems right after for some computer... I'll hold off a while even after release.

Shadrack said,
Will it be possible to slipstream the SP and make a new install DVD? Or are those days long-gone?

Well, slipstreaming was possible in Vista, so it should be possible with 7.

I couldn't install this on tuesday from the Microsoft Download Page,
it would only open, not run.
Windows Update installed it no problem later Tuesday night.
Waiting for SP1, roll on next Tuesday \o/

At long last.

Can't wait for RTM. I always do a fresh install of an OS when doing Service Packs. Gives me a chance to get rid of redundant crappy software, which I simply can't be bothered to uninstall

Premgenius said,

Installed it this morning


The Release Candidate for SP1 is what you installed. The finalised SP1 build isn't available yet.

I sure hope to see a nice performance increase from this service pack and not just update rollups.

Need I need some news on XP SP4 cause by god there are still alot of regular users out there that use this and there are well over 100 updates since SP3, reloading a XP comp still takes longer than it should cause of this.

sava700 said,
Need I need some news on XP SP4 cause by god there are still alot of regular users out there that use this and there are well over 100 updates since SP3, reloading a XP comp still takes longer than it should cause of this.

There won't be XP SP4

Weissmeister said,

There won't be XP SP4

It's already out there, it's called Vista

And then Vista SP3 exists too... it's called 7.

LOL XP SP4! hehe come on! start reading the news!

Tanshin said,

It's already out there, it's called Vista. And then Vista SP3 exists too... it's called 7.

Because XP and Vista are soo the same... and what is to say about XP and 7... twins.

sava700 said,
I sure hope to see a nice performance increase from this service pack and not just update rollups.

Need I need some news on XP SP4 cause by god there are still alot of regular users out there that use this and there are well over 100 updates since SP3, reloading a XP comp still takes longer than it should cause of this.

no more service pack for you.
XP is dead
you are lucky that they didn't pull off the security updates yet .

Ci7 said,

no more service pack for you.
XP is dead
you are lucky that they didn't pull off the security updates yet .

I don't think you or the other guys understand what I'm asking for here. I'm not lucky at all, XP is not dead cause there are many people still running it as in everyday regular users. I work on Personal Computers all the time and many of which have hard drives that have died etc that need to have the OS reloaded. The same OS that they already have a product key for that is just a install away from getting them back up and going. Now if those people wish to spend the money and upgrade then so be it but that's not my choice. I'll do the work, fix their computers and they are happy for a small flat fee. Not everyone is a POWER USER, or a hard core gamer that needs to upgrade. Now a SP4 wouldn't hurt anyone and if you don't wish to use it or download it then don't, if they don't release one then whatever - no harm in wishing for one considering again there are over 100 updates since SP3 and going to Vista or Win7 is NOT an option for these folks.
I sure wish people would look beyond themselves and realize the facts here.

sava700 said,

I don't think you or the other guys understand what I'm asking for here. I'm not lucky at all, XP is not dead cause there are many people still running it as in everyday regular users. I work on Personal Computers all the time and many of which have hard drives that have died etc that need to have the OS reloaded. The same OS that they already have a product key for that is just a install away from getting them back up and going. Now if those people wish to spend the money and upgrade then so be it but that's not my choice. I'll do the work, fix their computers and they are happy for a small flat fee. Not everyone is a POWER USER, or a hard core gamer that needs to upgrade. Now a SP4 wouldn't hurt anyone and if you don't wish to use it or download it then don't, if they don't release one then whatever - no harm in wishing for one considering again there are over 100 updates since SP3 and going to Vista or Win7 is NOT an option for these folks.
I sure wish people would look beyond themselves and realize the facts here.

What you need isn't a SP4, you just need a current untouched OEM install CD. Also hard to find now that Windows 7 is on the rise, but hunt around. If the licenses are legit, your download is legal.

sava700 said,
...XP is not dead cause there are many people still running it...
XP is dead. If people keep using it is a different matter.

osm0sis said,

What you need isn't a SP4, you just need a current untouched OEM install CD. Also hard to find now that Windows 7 is on the rise, but hunt around. If the licenses are legit, your download is legal.

I've got all the OEM's and install disks for each OS, currently the highest you can get from even MS without slip streaming updates is SP3. You still need to run windows update at that point which will still pull in over 100 updates after you've run it about 3 times with 3 more restarts after the install. A SP4 release wouldn't kill them or at the very least give the public a new OEM ISO of both Home and Pro to download and use that has all updates to date beyond SP3 ready to go and use.

sava700 said,

I've got all the OEM's and install disks for each OS, currently the highest you can get from even MS without slip streaming updates is SP3. You still need to run windows update at that point which will still pull in over 100 updates after you've run it about 3 times with 3 more restarts after the install. A SP4 release wouldn't kill them or at the very least give the public a new OEM ISO of both Home and Pro to download and use that has all updates to date beyond SP3 ready to go and use.


XP dead. And no an SP4 is not needed just because you're lazy and don't want to download a 100 updates. If you want to continue using a dead OS then you have to deal with some inconvenience. Or upgrade to 7 or Vista.

SharpGreen said,

XP dead. And no an SP4 is not needed just because you're lazy and don't want to download a 100 updates. If you want to continue using a dead OS then you have to deal with some inconvenience. Or upgrade to 7 or Vista.

Has nothing to do with being lazy, sure you can search for updates and set them and walk off..do the same 3 times but this isn't about being lazy. AGAIN - I'm not the one using a DEAD OS...everyday mom and pops,gramps and so on are the ones using it...the OS breaks or hardware breaks, one must repair it. I see no harm in MS releasing a SP4 or even just a slip streamed ISO every other month for public download for someone to acquire for just such reasons. You and whom ever else can preach "XP Dead" till they are blue in the face but this is the truth..facts that it seems some just refuse to accept. Perhaps once XP is fully finished as in not accepting any more updates from MS then they can do a SP4 or complete rollup of all updates and service packs, otherwise it truly is not dead and still very much going strong. For myself I use Win7 on everything I own... I'm a gamer, a power user but you don't have power users everywhere. Hell I can walk around the area in which I live alone and still find people that don't even own a computer yet!!

Only Smart Person Here said,
XP is dead, there will be no SP4.

If updates take a long time then good, people still using XP deserve the punishment.

See your missing the point as well, XP is not dead, many use it. Why should I as a computer repairman have to reap your "punishment" when myself being a power user moved on to Win7, but people's everyday computers are still using the OS which works fine for them, no need to upgrade from it for their needs. What you find is their harddrive fails (yes it happens) or the OS becomes corrupt in a way to have to have it reloaded. Again, I'm not saying I'm lazy or anyone else is but when it does take 2hours or so to download and install updates not once but at times you need to run windows updates 3 times to get them all then it IS time to release a new service pack or a new ISO with every update rolled up to the current date. People need to stop and think about those that still use the OS, still have to work with it. Just cause a car repairman drives a new 2010 truck doesn't mean he has to tell each of his customers they need to "Upgrade" their older 1980's car just cause you or someone else feels "IT IS DEAD" and they deserve punishment.. *Rolls eyes*

sava700 said,

I've got all the OEM's and install disks for each OS, currently the highest you can get from even MS without slip streaming updates is SP3. You still need to run windows update at that point which will still pull in over 100 updates after you've run it about 3 times with 3 more restarts after the install. A SP4 release wouldn't kill them or at the very least give the public a new OEM ISO of both Home and Pro to download and use that has all updates to date beyond SP3 ready to go and use.

There won't be an SP4, and fair enough about the OEMs, but it's still easy enough to find "Windows XP December 2010 Integrated" ISO out there, so there you go.

Hooray, that means I get to reformat my computer again! I've been stuck on the beta because Disk Cleanup has the files needed to remove the service pack already checked when you scan. So I've been stuck on the beta for a while now, waiting for the final release.

Of course, if I could download this update that would probably save me, however I can't download any since my copy genuine copy of windows suddenly became not genuine about a month ago. I've been putting off calling on this too because I figure it won't be long until I'm formatting my hard drive and reinstalling.

+1

The only thing for me is I am not running a beta SP1 and I still want this so I can format. Once I find the tools to slipstream this onto my current Win7 64-bit OEM disk, I will do so and install fresh. I do this on every SP release.

ScottDaMan said,
+1

The only thing for me is I am not running a beta SP1 and I still want this so I can format. Once I find the tools to slipstream this onto my current Win7 64-bit OEM disk, I will do so and install fresh. I do this on every SP release.

Slipstream died with windows XP.
The technology is now called something else, and works differently than the 'slipstream' you're used to.

Tanshin said,
Of course, if I could download this update that would probably save me
It won't. It's not going to restore files that no longer exist.

Kirkburn said,
It won't. It's not going to restore files that no longer exist.

Well there goes my hopes of this update helping me to remove the beta (I guess I misinterpreted the article then...). Oh well, I was probably going to reformat anyways (it's good for junk cleaning).

dotf said,

Slipstream died with windows XP.
The technology is now called something else, and works differently than the 'slipstream' you're used to.

No it didn't. People are still slipstreaming things in Vista. Do a Google search.

dotf said,

Slipstream died with windows XP.
The technology is now called something else, and works differently than the 'slipstream' you're used to.


For slipstreaming service pack from Vista onwards, you have to do reverse integration. That is install windows, install service pack then re-capture the image to install.wim file.

thartist said,
Really? tell that to these guys. http://www.rt7lite.com/ RT Se7en Lite - Beta (Build 2.6.0) [Service Pack 1 slipstream support]
They've supported it for quite some time, since the first SP1 beta leaks.

Did you actually read what he said? there is slipstream but it is known by a different name:

The technology is now called something else

Before tons of people say "I don't need this! I'm up to date!" - keep in mind the Service Pack includes updates, improvements, and fixes NOT AVAILABLE ON WINDOWS UPDATE.

Any change or improvement that isn't part of a security update is not made available on Windows Update, and is only part of a Service Pack. Ask anyone who has had to contact Microsoft to get a Hotfix if using Windows Updates keeps things up to date!

Plus, many companies wait for the first service pack before deployment.

Xenomorph said,
Before tons of people say "I don't need this! I'm up to date!" - keep in mind the Service Pack includes updates, improvements, and fixes NOT AVAILABLE ON WINDOWS UPDATE.

They aren't on Windows Update for a reason, most people don't need them. I sure don't.

TRC said,
They aren't on Windows Update for a reason, most people don't need them. I sure don't.

How many people ring up Microsoft for the special link and password to download these updates? how many end users might find these fixes useful? isn't it rather silly to make assumptions about things you know little about?

SP1 for most people won't be any different than the release version of Window7. There is not any noticable or measurable performance difference from Windows7 Release to SP1.

The reason I mention this is for the more ambitious people that might try to get an early copy - wait for the official release and don't risk grabbing a pirate or torrent release. (i.e. don't risk screwing up your system or getting a bad copy that has a hidden backdoor bot/trojan.)

We've been running SP1 since early beta, and there are only a few medium changes in things like remote desktop and things that would be used in a corporate/business network enviornment. There are also all the updates that most users would have already received via Windows Update, and a handful of fixes that affect only affect a small percentage of systems.

SP1 is solid, but it is also a testiment to the quality of Windows7 at release and the speed and reliability of the updates issued via Windows Update, as it is not something that has any wow factor.

It is nice to see Microsoft and Windows NT back to the pre-WinXP days (back before most people ever touched Windows NT) when we had solid releases and timely updates where a SP release was somewhat irrelevant except for the consolidation of the updates and a few minor tweaks.

I think Windows 7 SP1 is a bit overdue myself, but better late than never. Even if there are no major changes at least it would include all the previous updates to date.

I'm not going to install it, not for quite a while anyway. I'm already up to date and everything is working perfectly so why screw around with it and possibly mess something up for no reason? As someone said this offers nothing for home users.

TRC said,
I'm not going to install it, not for quite a while anyway. I'm already up to date and everything is working perfectly so why screw around with it and possibly mess something up for no reason? As someone said this offers nothing for home users.

I don't understand this. Don't you install updates released on Patch Tuesdays? This is nothing different, just a bit bigger and it will be the base for future fixes and updates. My W7 ran perfectly on the first day, it's still a very good idea to update.

TRC said,
I'm not going to install it, not for quite a while anyway. I'm already up to date and everything is working perfectly so why screw around with it and possibly mess something up for no reason? As someone said this offers nothing for home users.

Biggest fail of 2011 so far.

No, fail is fixing things that aren't broken and ending up breaking things. I already have ALL of the security updates in SP1 and the other updates are for things that do not affect me (hence why they were never on Windows Update to begin with. There's no reason to install this.

TRC said,
No, fail is fixing things that aren't broken and ending up breaking things. I already have ALL of the security updates in SP1 and the other updates are for things that do not affect me (hence why they were never on Windows Update to begin with. There's no reason to install this.
What parts of SP1 do you think are fixing things that aren't broken?

i||uSi0n^ said,
is IE9 going to be part of sp1?

Nope, still awaiting the RC (end of Jan) with speculation it'll be released in April.

i||uSi0n^ said,
is IE9 going to be part of sp1?

IE9 will be a separate release.

There are corporate customers that would freak if the HTML rendering engine (IE) was updated in a Service Pack and they would shy away from quickly adopting or allowing the SP1 update. Even though people don't understand or believe this, there are a lot of applications, especially in the corporate world that use the rendering engine of IE, even if they don't use IE for web browsing.

IE9 does have a new beta release coming out this month though.

I`m quite happy with 7 the way it is. SP1 doesn`t seem to offer much to your average user. What`s the big deal with it

Riggers said,
I`m quite happy with 7 the way it is. SP1 doesn`t seem to offer much to your average user. What`s the big deal with it

It's really only a big deal if you're running Windows Server 2008R2. There are some great improvements there, like RemoteFX.

Few improvements will be noticed on the client OS.

dotf said,

It's really only a big deal if you're running Windows Server 2008R2. There are some great improvements there, like RemoteFX.

Few improvements will be noticed on the client OS.


yea, exacly. not to average user ;p

Riggers said,
I`m quite happy with 7 the way it is. SP1 doesn`t seem to offer much to your average user. What`s the big deal with it

Good question.
Never have gotten overly excited about SP's any way either.

The Protagonist said,

thats just a patch to fix a few issues before SP1 gets released.... i am talking about SP1 itself...

The update says, "Install this update to enable future updates"
i guess its for sp1 final version(very soon)

The Protagonist said,
cannot wait for it to leak

I'd rather just wait for the official download. I hate risking my machines with untrusted downloads.

NamoBhagavan said,

The update says, "Install this update to enable future updates"
i guess its for sp1 final version(very soon)

Yes, that is the point of this whole article and why it was posted.

Frylock86 said,

I'd rather just wait for the official download. I hate risking my machines with untrusted downloads.
Microsoft digitally-signs all of their updates, so that wouldn't be a problem.

NamoBhagavan said,
perfect! windows7 is waaaaay better than vista/xp

Windows 7 is better than Vista but not waaaaaay better. Vista is not as bad as people make it out to be.

p.s. in fact, Windows 7 has a annoying bug in it as far as Icon Cache is concerned (which never happened in Vista) where it keeps deleting itself and that gets damn annoying when you got a folder with a lot of pictures in it that you want to view as thumbnails as it's got to re-create them all the damn time. ( http://social.technet.microsof...57ff-409e-ac04-d7d678d2b629 ) ..... i hope SP1 can fix this as my temp fix basically works but it's not a proper fix.

ThaCrip said,

Vista is not as bad as people make it out to be.

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

However, were the issues with Vista due to the operating system itself, or poor support for hardware due to IHV tardiness?

If an IHV had shipped late/poor drivers for Vista, then shipped better drivers for 7 (which, in most cases, uses the same driver model), why is it that Microsoft (rather than the IHV) is getting the blame?

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

Nope, not trying to start flame war or anything but Vista was not that bad. It laid the necessary framework for windows 7. Without vista in between xp and 7, windows 7 would have sucked just like vista did.

While I agree that Win7 is a very good operating system I have to say that Vista is nowhere near as bad as people make out. I always find it surprising when people complain about Vista and yet rave about Win7, as fundamentally they're very similar - much more than XP to Vista. People just jumped on the bandwagon and it surprised me when seemingly knowledgeable people trashed it.

PGHammer said,

However, were the issues with Vista due to the operating system itself, or poor support for hardware due to IHV tardiness?

If an IHV had shipped late/poor drivers for Vista, then shipped better drivers for 7 (which, in most cases, uses the same driver model), why is it that Microsoft (rather than the IHV) is getting the blame?

Hard to believe after all this time there are still Vista fanboys out there.
It's a dead os, not even worthy of debate.

James Riske said,

Hard to believe after all this time there are still Vista fanboys out there.
It's a dead os, not even worthy of debate.

after a two year or so you gonna say the same about win7 then.

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

I kind of agree, Vista was not a failure in terms of an OS.. much of the problem was it suffered from "don't wanna change" syndrome that people get when something new comes out. Now that everyone is used to it, and they go up to 7, they are like "Wow this is great".

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

To be honest though, my parents bought a computer only a few days after Vista was released, I never heard of them complaining about old printers and hardware not working. And it ran really good. I guess they were just lucky I still think if you want to upgrade from XP you should go right to 7 and disregard Vista.

NamoBhagavan said,
perfect! windows7 is waaaaay better than vista/xp

I liked Explorer more in Windows Vista (the layout), but I enjoy Windows 7 much more overall. Seems to respond better.

James Riske said,

Hard to believe after all this time there are still Vista fanboys out there.
It's a dead os, not even worthy of debate.


Get off your soapbox James, nobody is acting like a fanboy. They're just pointing out (correctly) that Vista is nowhere near as bad as people (like you, consistently) make out. They're not saying it's the best OS ever.

As others have mentioned, Vista laid the foundations for Windows 7. Pretty much ALL of Windows 7 started life in Vista and was just tweaked and refined into what we have today. The majority of things that people disliked in Vista are now welcomed in Windows 7 because they have been improved. It's always the case, you're always going to need an operating system to take the risk and introduce something new. Vista was that risk.

Extremely sloppy drivers from hardware vendors was also a problem for Vista, as well as the whole "Vista Capable" debacle where pc makers put Vista on barely capable machines. No wonder customers had a negative reaction.

NamoBhagavan said,
perfect! windows7 is waaaaay better than vista/xp

I love it when a computer noob is able to qualify himself in public in a matter of seconds.

James Riske said,
Hard to believe after all this time there are still Vista fanboys out there.It's a dead os, not even worthy of debate.

I love it when a computer noob is able to qualify himself in public in a matter of seconds.

ThaCrip said,

Windows 7 is better than Vista but not waaaaaay better. Vista is not as bad as people make it out to be.

p.s. in fact, Windows 7 has a annoying bug in it as far as Icon Cache is concerned (which never happened in Vista) where it keeps deleting itself and that gets damn annoying when you got a folder with a lot of pictures in it that you want to view as thumbnails as it's got to re-create them all the damn time. ( http://social.technet.microsof...57ff-409e-ac04-d7d678d2b629 ) ..... i hope SP1 can fix this as my temp fix basically works but it's not a proper fix.

I actually didn't have an issue with Vista either.

I used it for more then 2 years and it worked fine.

PGHammer said,

However, were the issues with Vista due to the operating system itself, or poor support for hardware due to IHV tardiness?

All three.
I've seen countless network issues with windows vista, the odd driver issue (ati laptop drivers) and users constantly doing stupid things and then thinking its a problem with the OS.

edit: I only managed to see these issues after I started at my current place of work..... I somehow managed to use Vista at home for 2 years without an issue.

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

initially Yes, but when i switch to it on SP1 it was pretty much fine at that point. so initial prior to a service pack then yeah your probably right. but with SP1 i am sure all the major bugs have been worked out at hat point. hence, today it's pretty much solid overall. but i guess it dont matter at this point since the damage has been done to Vista and it's basically dead because of Win7 getting much praise etc.

ThaCrip said,

initially Yes, but when i switch to it on SP1 it was pretty much fine at that point. so initial prior to a service pack then yeah your probably right. but with SP1 i am sure all the major bugs have been worked out at hat point. hence, today it's pretty much solid overall. but i guess it dont matter at this point since the damage has been done to Vista and it's basically dead because of Win7 getting much praise etc.

Vista with service pack is almost equal to Windows 7 but excluding the disk and network management. For some reason, the disk usage in Vista is poor at best even for vista sp1, instead, in Windows 7, the disk performance is way better, almost close to windows xp (or better in some cases).

Vista born sluggy.
ps :in some cases, vista sp1 is even slower than vista without service pack.

ThaCrip said,

Windows 7 is better than Vista but not waaaaaay better. Vista is not as bad as people make it out to be.

p.s. in fact, Windows 7 has a annoying bug in it as far as Icon Cache is concerned (which never happened in Vista) where it keeps deleting itself and that gets damn annoying when you got a folder with a lot of pictures in it that you want to view as thumbnails as it's got to re-create them all the damn time. ( http://social.technet.microsof...57ff-409e-ac04-d7d678d2b629 ) ..... i hope SP1 can fix this as my temp fix basically works but it's not a proper fix.

Definitely an annoying Win7 bug, among others. Win 7 is nice but it gets a bit over-hyped cos of Vista being so bad.

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.


I am still keeping Vista on one of my laptops (Dell E4300) because it didn't qualify for the W7 upgrade program. However, it does run even better than my other laptop. The battery life is better too. Your experience doesn't really tell anything, especially it could have been a placebo effect, ever heard of project Mojave ?
Vista was bad as the press and Apple made it out to be. Most of them are just myths or propaganda BS... Vista could never take off because of its bad press and because of the lazy driver manufacturer, not because of its incompetence.
P.S. and I do hate people comparing Vista to Windows ME. ME is an absolute POS, people jumping on that bandwagon shouldn't be allowed to use a computer. I simply just disregard them because their opinions isn't worth more than squat to me.

James Riske said,

Hard to believe after all this time there are still Vista fanboys out there.
It's a dead os, not even worthy of debate.

Really? And here I thought Vista was supported until 2017. Perhaps you can fill us in on how it's a dead OS. Oh wait, you can't.

Captain555 said,
Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.
Only if you did the work pro-bono.

Captain555 said,

Oh yes, it was. You should see the smile on my customer's face a week or so after I upgrade them to Windows 7 from Vista. Priceless.

You should probably think of working in a different field if you're still of this belief, because clearly you're not cut out for anything IT related.

NamoBhagavan said,
perfect! windows7 is waaaaay better than vista/xp


had no troubles with vista or XP but i could never go back to them since running windows 7