Updated: Windows 7 final editions announced

We recently revealed that Microsoft still hadn't announced how many flavors Windows 7 would ship in. In a recent briefing with Paul Thurrott, Microsoft Senior Vice President Bill Veghte revealed the SKUs that Windows 7 will ship in. "We feel that this lineup offers a clear onramp for Windows 7, making it easier than ever to find the right version for your needs", Veghte added. So without further ado, here is the official lineup of Windows 7 versions with an outlined overview:


Windows 7 Starter
Market: Emerging markets, with new PCs only
Key features: Enhanced taskbar, Jump Lists, Windows Media Player, Backup and Restore, Action Center, Device Stage, Play To, Fax and Scan, basic games
What's missing: Aero Glass, many Aero desktop enhancements, Windows Touch, Media Center, Live thumbnail previews, Home Group creation

Windows 7 Home Premium
Market: Mainstream retail market
Key features: Aero Glass, Aero Background, Windows Touch, Home Group creation, Media Center, DVD playback and authoring, premium games
What's missing: Domain join, Remote Desktop host, advanced backup, EFS, Mobility Center, Offline Folders

Windows 7 Professional (superset of Home)
Market: Mainstream retail market
Key features: Domain join, Remote Desktop host, location aware printing, EFS, Mobility Center, Presentation Mode, Offline Folders, Media Center
What's missing: BitLocker, BitLocker To Go, AppLocker, Direct Access, Branche Cache, MUI language packs, boot from VHD

Windows 7 Enterprise
Market: Volume-license business customers only
Key features: BitLocker, BitLocker To Go, AppLocker, Direct Access, Branche Cache, MUI language packs, boot from VHD
What's missing: Retail licensing

Windows 7 Ultimate
Market: Retail market, limited availability
Key features: BitLocker, BitLocker To Go, AppLocker, Direct Access, Branche Cache, MUI language packs, boot from VHD
What's missing: Volume licensing

There will be a Home Basic edition, but it will only be released to emerging markets. "We know emerging markets have unique needs and we will offer Windows 7 Home Basic, only in emerging markets, for customers looking for an entry-point Windows experience on a full-size value PC", said Windows General Manager Mike Ybarra. Paul Thurrot is reporting that Home Basic will lack "Aero Glass, Live Thumbnail Previews, Internet Connection Sharing, and a few other goodies."

As with Windows Vista, each different SKU offers unique features, with the most advanced in the Ultimate edition. Microsoft has yet to release any retail suggests pricing for these editions. Consumers now have three versions to choose from: Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate. Compared to the Windows Vista line up, which offered editions. What are your thoughts? Has Microsoft made it easier for the average PC user to choose which version is right for their PC and day-to-day use with the three versions they will be able to purchase?

Personally I believe the lineup has been made clearer compared to Windows Vista. Each tier offers a specific version for a specific audience. The biggest plus for consumers with these editions is the fact that the hottest feature of Windows Vista, Aero and its extras, are now offered in Starter and Home Premium editions rather than in Ultimate. But what about Ultimate? With the majority of consumers buying Vista Ultimate for Aero effects and it's extras, how will Windows 7 Ultimate be marketed to gain consumer attention? Has it became a redundant SKU?

Article last updated at: 1:53 P.M. (-6 GMT) to make the Author's opinion clearer.

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What a really bad idea, they do the too many editions crap once again... I thought they'd be wiser now.
I'm also especially displeased that once again, the multi-language interface is only in Enterprise and Ultimate.

-- Windows 7 Home Premium ... What's missing: ... advanced backup

Boo! Everybody needs good backup software no matter what OS you're using.

-- Windows 7 Professional (superset of Home) ... What's missing: BitLocker, BitLocker To Go

That Ultimate upgrade had better be cheap, or really discounted with Server 2008 R2 CALs. BitLocker To Go looks like one of the best new business features in Windows 7, and there's no way the folks I work with (small businesses) will spring for a volume license version when the systems already come preloaded with Professional.

I think all of these SKUs do make sense, even Ultimate, after some consideration.

However, why the need for both Home Basic and Starter? Couldn't they be merged into the same product called Windows 7 Starter? That way, Home Premium could have a much better name which relates to the product. I mean a lot of people are going to be wondering what the "Premium" is for and it doesn't make sense to have it on the end, if Basic and Starter are merged :)

It should be these 5 versions:

Windows 7 Starter - for emerging markets.
Windows 7 Home - for the average home user
Windows 7 Professional - for small businesses and home users who want those more 'professional' orientated features.
Windows 7 Enterprise - for large businesses and corporations, with everything included in.
Windows 7 Ultimate - for people who want everything Windows has to offer. This should not be available commercially, but in special deals with OEMs or to be ordered from Microsoft online or something.

That way, we, as customers would see only 2 versions of Windows, essentially: Windows 7 Home and Windows 7 Professional.

^ That is all very similar to what we have now, with a few minor changes - mainly Home Basic merged with Starter so Home Premium doesn't have to have that horrible name.

Man, the amount of ignorance in this thread always amazes me.

There's only two SKUs of Windows 7 that will hit USA store shelves, Home and Professional.

Windows 7 Starter is only for emerging markets in different countries. Enterprise is only through volume licensing for large business. Ultimate is only a non-VL version of Enterprise, which will likely be an online download.

Europe will get a couple N versions, because the EU isn't afraid of extortion to leech some money from Microsoft. Korea will get a couple K versions, for whatever reason.

The crybabies in this thread really need to shut their mouth and take their misinformation somewhere else. I come to Neowin.net to read news, fact, and intelligent conversation, and it becomes very difficult to wade through so many tons of nonsensical, useless crap.

@iamwhoiam and excalpius

Except I have taken the time to state the facts, and offer something beneficial to read. My comments add something to the discussion.

All you have done is reply to my comment with one-liners to try and score points on the internet. Your comments add nothing. The commentary in Neowin articles is degrading to cnet.com levels, and that is just sad.

Kojio said,
@iamwhoiam and excalpius

Except I have taken the time to state the facts, and offer something beneficial to read. My comments add something to the discussion.

All you have done is reply to my comment with one-liners to try and score points on the internet. Your comments add nothing. The commentary in Neowin articles is degrading to cnet.com levels, and that is just sad.

Name-calling and attitude tend to drown out "facts."

The beauty of the internet is that you have choice. If Neowin doesn't suit you, there are plenty of other places you can go.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I have a choice of which news sites to read, and Neowin has a choice of which readers they cater too.

I remember when it was enjoyable reading articles on Neowin, not only because of the well-written articles, but the smart and objectionable commentary that brought out good points and interesting facts.

Things have changed, and Neowin has become a rat-race for raging fanboys to post misinformation and push their own agenda. Take this article for example: an absurd amount of thoughtless people fail to read the article and simply bypass the fact that only 'two' Windows versions are being released to Retail shelves in the USA.

Neowin commentary is becoming as pathetic as cnet, and you seem to enjoy it. I'll try to keep an eye on some of the better Neowin articles here, but Gizmodo has higher quality articles and a more balanced community, where fanboys like you never gain any real momentum.


Kojio said,
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I have a choice of which news sites to read, and Neowin has a choice of which readers they cater too.

I remember when it was enjoyable reading articles on Neowin, not only because of the well-written articles, but the smart and objectionable commentary that brought out good points and interesting facts.

Things have changed, and Neowin has become a rat-race for raging fanboys to post misinformation and push their own agenda. Take this article for example: an absurd amount of thoughtless people fail to read the article and simply bypass the fact that only 'two' Windows versions are being released to Retail shelves in the USA.

Neowin commentary is becoming as pathetic as cnet, and you seem to enjoy it. I'll try to keep an eye on some of the better Neowin articles here, but Gizmodo has higher quality articles and a more balanced community, where fanboys like you never gain any real momentum.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Maybe you can help write some of those "objectionable" articles.

Provided of course, that you're familiar with the meaning of the words you're using.

Kojio said,
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I have a choice of which news sites to read, and Neowin has a choice of which readers they cater too.

I remember when it was enjoyable reading articles on Neowin, not only because of the well-written articles, but the smart and objectionable commentary that brought out good points and interesting facts.

Things have changed, and Neowin has become a rat-race for raging fanboys to post misinformation and push their own agenda. Take this article for example: an absurd amount of thoughtless people fail to read the article and simply bypass the fact that only 'two' Windows versions are being released to Retail shelves in the USA.

Neowin commentary is becoming as pathetic as cnet, and you seem to enjoy it. I'll try to keep an eye on some of the better Neowin articles here, but Gizmodo has higher quality articles and a more balanced community, where fanboys like you never gain any real momentum.


I hope you arn't taking a personal digg at all of us here at Neowin who take the time to write these articles. And just so you know, there are three major news sources that are saying there will be three versions available for consumers to purchase in retail stores.

I can't take a personal 'digg' at the authors because I don't know them personally. However, I have noticed quite a few articles being rushed to headlines with plenty of spelling and grammatical errors. I've noticed quite a few readers disgracing and leaving Neowin due to the authors either trying to hide the original source links inside word phrases, or simply not including the source links at all. I also noticed a few articles that simply "rephrase" the original source without actually summarizing the information or improving on delivery of the original content.

Take this article for example. The article tries to state how "the lineup has been made clearer" yet the actual delivery of the information is even more confusing. I believe that if the author simply spent an additional 10-15 minutes streamlining the information in this article, there wouldn't be so much widespread confusion and hostility throughout the article's commentary. If the purpose of the article is to highlight the simplified Windows 7 SKUs, then the article should be simple in its explanation. Instead, we have a convoluted article which offers people more confusion than information, and does the opposite of what the original news source is all about: Something becoming more simple.

Take the article on Lifehacker for example: Here

Where in this article does it say there will be three versions for retail? I have read this news across several different sites, and they all say that Home and Professional are the only two SKUs hitting retail. Enterprise/Ultimate are not Retail SKUs, and Baic/Starter are either for OEMs or emerging markets. Where is this third retail SKU?

Kojio said,
I can't take a personal 'digg' at the authors because I don't know them personally. However, I have noticed quite a few articles being rushed to headlines with plenty of spelling and grammatical errors. I've noticed quite a few readers disgracing and leaving Neowin due to the authors either trying to hide the original source links inside word phrases, or simply not including the source links at all. I also noticed a few articles that simply "rephrase" the original source without actually summarizing the information or improving on delivery of the original content.

Take this article for example. The article tries to state how "the lineup has been made clearer" yet the actual delivery of the information is even more confusing. I believe that if the author simply spent an additional 10-15 minutes streamlining the information in this article, there wouldn't be so much widespread confusion and hostility throughout the article's commentary. If the purpose of the article is to highlight the simplified Windows 7 SKUs, then the article should be simple in its explanation. Instead, we have a convoluted article which offers people more confusion than information, and does the opposite of what the original news source is all about: Something becoming more simple.

Take the article on Lifehacker for example: Here

Where in this article does it say there will be three versions for retail? I have read this news across several different sites, and they all say that Home and Professional are the only two SKUs hitting retail. Enterprise/Ultimate are not Retail SKUs, and Baic/Starter are either for OEMs or emerging markets. Where is this third retail SKU?


First of all, many newsources these days do inline sourcing. Which is what we are focusing on doing here at Neowin. If you feel that we should directly state the source, then please bring your concerns to an editor or administrator here at Neowin. Second, you're right we don't always find the spelling errors or grammatical errors. We try our best to deliver news fast, simple, and in ways that our readers can engage in conversations.

Third this article was not published with the intention that Microsoft was delivering a "clearer lineup". The list provided was taken off Paul Thurrott's website, I delivered an overview for consumers, and then stated my personal opinion on the matter. How is that confusing?

A) Listing the lineup of Windows 7 with features
B) Clearly stating that there will be three SKUs available at retail outlets.
C) Giving my personal incite on the lineup.

Once again, how is that confusing?

Fourth, regarding the SKU's that will be available at retail stores. If you actually read the source I provided you would have seen that the Ultimate, the third SKU is going to be available at retail stores.

If I read that correctly, Windows 7 Enterprise and Windows 7 Ultimate are... feature-wise, completely identical. The ONLY thing that makes one different from the other is the licencing methodology? If this is the correct assessment, then we all know which version we should expect to see circulating on the net before the official release of the final product.

I like how Professional is now a superset of Home Premium. MS realized that even business people and professionals do use their machines for entertainment on the go, so they kept Media Center in. With Vista, they'd have to go with Ultimate. That also means that students with MSDNAA get a good edition of Windows 7 to use on their laptops and desktops :)

Ultimate is now less of a necessity, moreso since Ultimate Extras isn't coming back. I won't have much need for the additional 6 features provided by Ultimate. And just as importantly, the confusion of Home Basic with regular customers in first/second world markets is gone now.

rm20010 said,
I like how Professional is now a superset of Home Premium. MS realized that even business people and professionals do use their machines for entertainment on the go, so they kept Media Center in. With Vista, they'd have to go with Ultimate.


Not trying to argue, but this is the part I *don't* understand - including Media Center in Pro (and Enterprise). What would be it's use in the business world?
IIRC, XP Pro (not Home) allowed playback of DVDs in Media Player without additional software. Why not have this (and Blu-Ray) only in Pro? I guess I'm saying that I think Media Center is entertainment-overkill for business-oriented versions of an OS.

If I venture to buy Windows 7, I'd get the Ultimate edition. But I got Vista Ultimate edition currently and don't see paying for an OS so soon. Language packs are my reason.

I take it Windows 7 Professional is what will be available to me through the college, considering it was that way with Windows XP and Vista only offered Business.

Looks good, all in all. No need for Ultimate. (speaking for myself, not the market)

@Caveman-ugh Like Windows Vista, all SKUs will have 64-bit equivalents.

@smooth3006 Windows 7 Starter is for developing markets in countries like India. You shouldn't concern yourself about it.

Will Win 7 Professional be 64 bit ? Or that still only available in the "Ultimate" Version, as I have win7 (64 Bit) on my laptop as I had Vista Ultimate 64 bit originally.

@rakeshishere Premium games are, right now, Mahjong Titans and Chess Titans.

@Hidr0 One of the frequent support issues with the SKU selection dialog was the selection of the wrong SKU. Expect that dialog to disappear and be key driven. You can still modify the disc image to meet your needs though...

Another website out there lists the following editions, which doesn't jive with the ^^^ info on editions:

Windows 7 Starter: up to 3 concurrent applications, ability to join a Home Group, improved taskbar and JumpLists;

Windows 7 Home Basic: unlimited applications, live thumbnail previews & enhanced visual experience, advanced networking support (ad-hoc wireless networks and internet connection sharing), and Mobility Center;

Windows 7 Home Premium: Aero Glass & advanced windows navigation, improved media format support, enhancements to Windows Media Center and media streaming, including Play To, and multi-touch and improved handwriting recognition;

Windows 7 Professional: ability to join a managed network with Domain Join, data protection with advanced network backup and Encrypting File System, and print to the right printer at home or work with Location Aware Printing;

Windows 7 Enterprise and Windows 7 Ultimate: bitLocker data protection on internal and external drives, DirectAccess for seamless connectivity to corporate networks based on Windows Server 2008 R2, BranchCache support when on networks based on Windows Server 2008 R2, and lock unauthorized software from running with AppLocker.

If you look at the source the home premium section has been ratified with it now saying:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Market:
Mainstream retail market
Key features: Aero Glass, Aero Background, Windows Touch, Home Group creation, Media Center, DVD playback and authoring, premium games, Mobility Center
What's missing: Domain join, Remote Desktop host, advanced backup, EFS, Offline Folders

The volume Windows 7 offering for consumers builds on Starter and includes Mobility Center, Aero Glass, advanced windows navigation features like Aero Snap and Aero Peek, and multi-touch, as well as the ability to both create and participate in Home Groups. Home Premium will be sold at retail and be included with new computers.

Honestly, the only HUGE mistake that jumps out at me is Home Premium's lack of the mobility center. IIRC, even Vista Home Basic had it.

Agreed. Laptop users don't need mobility center! And nobody uses a laptop to connect to a domain! Puh-lease.

This will just force all the OEMs to go with the Pro version, ignoring the stupid kiddy home version.

excalpius said,
Agreed. Laptop users don't need mobility center! And nobody uses a laptop to connect to a domain! Puh-lease.

This will just force all the OEMs to go with the Pro version, ignoring the stupid kiddy home version.

That works out fine if you're buying a new laptop, but not so much if you're upgrading a laptop.

It seems, however, that Paul Thurrott must have updated the page... or Neowin got it wrong. Paul's page lists Mobility Center as one of the key features, not one of the missing features.

Well, that would be better, of course! I still think EVERY windows 7 computer should ship with modern encryption, proper backup, and security features...ahem. Even if users choose not to use them, it should be in there.

well i guess ill go with ultimate then. i still feel they are going to have too many editions. no need for a starter edition at all IMO.

does this mean that i can't use language packs to translate windows to my own language but from Win 7 Enterprise upwords?

Are those SKUs bundled into a single DVD like vista did?... So i can test'em all and decide which one its rite for me!?....

I have seem in this thread so many pple disrespecting others by calling them fools, stupids and so on. Could you guys take it easy? after all its just a OS release, not a big deal!

What's wrong with having different editions? It's like cars! There's the Yaris, Corolla, Matrix, Camry, Prius, etc, etc...All from Toyota. Just get the version/model that suits your needs! If they put everything into one package, then everyone will be complaining about how bloated it is and that they're paying for extra features they'll never use! God, I can't even continue to think...

It will be modular eventually, though, meaning everyone will get a "Starter" edition, then just purchase features as module packs. For example, for those who need domain features can purchase an advanced network pack or you can get Media Center pack for your HTPC. Unfortunately--believe it or not--most users aren't able to make educated decisions about they really need yet, so we'll still have to wait.

excalpius said,
No, it's not. It's an OPERATING SYSTEM. Software. Not even close to comparable.

Features cost money to develop, whether you want to believe it or not.

The features were ALREADY developed and paid for...during Vista. I mean, it's just bitlocker and, ahem, domain joining? Honestly, you want to extend your fallacious argument to explain why MS is charging extra for the code to allow a modern computer to connect to a DOMAIN?! They're just gimping the full OS they've already developed and paid for just to satisfy a marketing/MBA 101 team that still thinks it's the 1980s...

Windows 7 Starter = Windows Vista Home Basic (or Starter Edition since they have pretty much the same features) [Thanks, skynetXrules]

Windows 7 Home Premium = Windows Vista Home Premium

Windows 7 Professional = Windows Vista Business

Windows 7 Enterprise = Windows Vista Enterprise

Windows 7 Ultimate = Windows Vista Ultimate

******************************************************

So why did people b!tch and moan about the Vista versions? Its the same thing!

esanchez1990 said,
Windows 7 Starter = Windows Vista Home Basic (or Starter Edition since they have pretty much the same features) [Thanks, skynetXrules]

Windows 7 Home Premium = Windows Vista Home Premium

Windows 7 Professional = Windows Vista Business

Windows 7 Enterprise = Windows Vista Enterprise

Windows 7 Ultimate = Windows Vista Ultimate

******************************************************

So why did people b!tch and moan about the Vista versions? Its the same thing!


No its not in 7 professional will include everything that home premium does and the domain services. In vista business did not include media center and things like that.

no no no no no no no.
When will Microsoft listen to the consumer?
Two versions, Business and Home.

Really, what is the point? Its not as if theres much price difference between starter/home/home premium.
Have a word with yourself microsoft...

Agreed 100%. The OEMs will wind up settling on one version anyway, so that no one ever uses the other version(s). Just like now.

Microsoft is only focusing on two SKU's for home users. Home Premium and Professional.

Enterprise is for, well, enterprises and is available as multiple licenses. Ultimate is Enterprise but in a single license.

Home Basic is for emerging markets.

So you will only see Home Premium and Professional on store shelves.

Oh BTW.

NO upgrade from XP to Windows 7 (you'd need to upgrade XP to Vista, then Vista to 7).
NO way to upgrade a computer shipped with a 32 bit OS version (say an OEM laptop/desktop) to a 64 bit version (since it turns out that laptop/desktop chip is actually 64 bit).

But they managed to pull out the full featured backup solution and encryption security software from the home and laptop versions, respectively. Smooth move, MS... /sarcasm

excalpius said,
Oh BTW.

NO upgrade from XP to Windows 7 (you'd need to upgrade XP to Vista, then Vista to 7).


Why is this a surprise?

excalpius said,
NO way to upgrade a computer shipped with a 32 bit OS version (say an OEM laptop/desktop) to a 64 bit version (since it turns out that laptop/desktop chip is actually 64 bit).

Why is this a surprise?

excalpius said,
NO upgrade from XP to Windows 7 (you'd need to upgrade XP to Vista, then Vista to 7).

Update: looks like that was wrong anyway

So you are happy that they've gone BACK to the XP tiering, which people didn't like then, but prefer over the ridiculous Vista uber-tiering?

I remember when there was NO tiering. And it made sense to end users and professionals alike...

looks good to me, Home and Pro just like it should be. I would have liked just the one version however this is good.

good step forward and a sign that Microsoft is listening, the home basic was a silly edition in Vista.

REM2000 said,
looks good to me, Home and Pro just like it should be. I would have liked just the one version however this is good.

good step forward and a sign that Microsoft is listening, the home basic was a silly edition in Vista.


I agree. Home Basic was unnecessary.

Ohhh... i just saw something... wait a min. whats "premium games" ? Is it something like Ultimate Extras which they promised for Vista Ultimate Edition?

I only wished Pro had Bitlocker and To Go but i guess those are more Enterprise requirements. Oh well, i'll be going for Pro anyways still.

I still wished they did only Home and Pro (and then the Starter and K and N versions that they need to). Oh well

SHoTTa35 said,
I only wished Pro had Bitlocker and To Go but i guess those are more Enterprise requirements. Oh well, i'll be going for Pro anyways still.

I still wished they did only Home and Pro (and then the Starter and K and N versions that they need to). Oh well :)


Existing Vista Ultimate owners should be able to do a straight upgrade to W7 Ultimate and retain the bit-locker stuff.

^ nah , EU now will force to make more edtion

Win 7 with opera edtion
win 7 with firefox edtion
win 7 no browser edtion
win 7 with-all-browsers edtion

etc....

imagine that ! :X

^ LOL @ him

you gotta be ******** to buy ultimate for extras

it is just that an extras , few goodies

Considering that LAPTOPS would be the most logical place for these, yes...ahem.

So MS/Oems will, by default, ship versions with new computers that are less secure than any modern OS should be...just because they want to artificially "tier" the users.

Personally, I think they should stick to 2 versions of windows. One for the home, one for the business. If anyone wants anything extra, they should have an add-on pack or something. All these versions confuse the consumer. A regular user may go out and pay extra for ultimate when all they needed was home and not know anybetter.

it said that "Windows 7 Starter for Market: Emerging markets, with new PCs only" does it mean the new purchased ready made pc's? OEMs????

deep1234 said,
it said that "Windows 7 Starter for Market: Emerging markets, with new PCs only" does it mean the new purchased ready made pc's? OEMs????

Yes, that is what "new PCs" means ... "new PCs".

Yeah, this is ok with me. Pretty much only two editions for the mainstream market. Home Premium and Pro. Home Premium people will associate as a better version XP Home (I guess) and Vista Home Premium. Really a plus on both points. Both have Media Center. Awesome, that is something a lot of people will like once they see it. Truly a great product in my eyes.

Starter? Yeah, that **** is for Europe and their laws as other developing nations. Question: Is this what is going to be on upcoming Netbooks? Don't think many people would like that.

You'll never see Enterprise. It's just volume licensed. Ultimate is going to come on high-end machines or as a simple, "upgrade to this for $50 (name your price) more" on various manufacturers sites.

Two. Easy. To all the people complaing about one version..when your product runs on 90 percent + of the worlds PC's, you have to accomodate them.

Virginia Tech makes Windows Vista Enterprise available to students, and I'm more than sure that we're not the only university to do so.. So it's possible for some of us to see Windows 7 Enterprise.

We only get the business versions of Windows through MSDNAA. So it's Windows XP Professional, Windows Vista Business, and now probably Windows 7 Professional. Also it depends on your program; I believe MSDNAA for the University of Toronto is for engineering, computer science, and business students only.

This is good actually. What I'm hoping for is that the people who own Ultimate can upgrade to W7 Pro for free. Seems only fair, considering that the Ultimate Extra's feature wasn't all that great for the price.

dbam987 said,
This is good actually. What I'm hoping for is that the people who own Ultimate can upgrade to W7 Pro for free. Seems only fair, considering that the Ultimate Extra's feature wasn't all that great for the price.

I think free is to much to ask for although it's a price I would absolutely love to pay.

trag3dy said,
I think free is to much to ask for although it's a price I would absolutely love to pay.


Yeah, I wouldn't mind paying a small fee to upgrade to W7 Pro from Vista Ultimate but anything greater than, say, $50 will require some commanding reason to even go for it. All the stuff I've played with the beta is nice, but for my purposes there isn't a real need to get it immediately (:cry:).

Not having Mobility Center and RDP host in Home Premium is a huge mistake, IMO. Moreso the Mobility Center as people with laptops won't get the benefits of those features, and laptop power management isn't really a "professional" type feature. RDP, while relevant to more tech-savvy people, is still used by a lot of people I know that run XP Pro as well as Vista at home. Both of these are useful features and shouldn't be left out.

With that said, I'll be getting Windows 7 Enterprise through Virginia Tech's VLK agreement for free (Well, actually for the cost of tuition). =P

I don't see the need for RDP Mobility Center in Home Premium. It's just like XP Home. I don't know any average users who used RDP ever, Remote Assistance surely. Power Management is a Professional feature because the average user doesn't want to manage their system, they just want it to work.

SHoTTa35 said,
I don't see the need for RDP Mobility Center in Home Premium. It's just like XP Home. I don't know any average users who used RDP ever, Remote Assistance surely. Power Management is a Professional feature because the average user doesn't want to manage their system, they just want it to work.

RDP=/=Mobility Center.

I think this is great.

Ignore starter as it seems to only be geared towards stuff like netbooks or special use devices...

Home Premium for normal people >>> Ultimate for power users
Professional for normal businesses >>> Enterprise for large network VLK deployments

I actually think this makes sense.
Your local branch of computer shop wont see Starter or Enterprise so that leaves...

> Home Premium (Normal everyday home users)
> Professional (Advanced home and small business users)
> Ultimate (Geeks / Us)

Seems like a fair deal to me although i think MS should drop the 'Premium' from the name of the home premium edition, just confuses matters.

muawuauahahhhahaaa.............. :D

*laughs in an evil manner*

Edit:

Ohhh... i just saw something... wait a min. whats "premium games" ? Is it something like Ultimate Extras which they promised for Vista Ultimate Edition? :P

Leave Starter...
So, its Home Premium, Professional & Ultimate
(No for Enterprise because we cant BUY the retail....)
I will go for Ultimate or Professional...

Does Professional has Mediacenter?

No thanks. I don't do tampon line-ups. I will give them credit (or balls) for releasing an Ultimate edition in a crippled economy. It also seems that they have moved Starter up to the home basic edition. I could be wrong given that I really stopped reading about halfway through (recently changed their definition of emerging markets).

I will consider purchasing it when they release a consumer and a corporate client. Until than I will stick to a mixture of XP and Vista (already made the tier mistake once). I really don't have time for this anymore. Kind of sad given that I have four installs of the Windows 7 beta. Oh, well... time to reformat and install from a saved image.

why can't they just put remote desktop into Home Premium. Since they have added the ability to dial into remote computers with Windows home Server, it would make sense to have this feature now in your home based OS.

excalpius said,
And for people who need tech support help....ffs what a stupid gimping choice.


You can still provide remote support just like you can now with Remote Assistance on Vista Home Premium or XP Home.

sigh why cant they just release 1 version...l..

Anyways i rather have 3 version

Consumer

Corporate

And Ultimate (fusion of both)

Enterprise and Ultimate are two different SKU's.

And I'm unsure why separate licensing models should make two differently named products. :S Talk about confusing.

I don't get this strategy. Just make 1 sort, everything integrated. Why buy a new OS if you don't get all the features? Because it's cheaper? If they would reduce the amount of differences I think they could drop the price. Less different software, boxes, marketing = cheaper

Well, artificially limiting the capabilities of the higher end version and selling it as home or pro shouldn't count as a development cost as the logic is already in the code.

iamwhoiam said,
Well, artificially limiting the capabilities of the higher end version and selling it as home or pro shouldn't count as a development cost as the logic is already in the code.

Yet, the development costs still exist. The more features, the more you pay.

iamwhoiam said,
Well, artificially limiting the capabilities of the higher end version and selling it as home or pro shouldn't count as a development cost as the logic is already in the code.


What? It isn't magically in the code, it's in the code because we write that code. If Home Premium were the only version, we wouldn't write the RDP or BitLocker code. Then we wouldn't need as many engineers and designers and to spend all the money and resources it takes to build those features.

Do you complain when Toyota sells a car that looks more bland than a Lexus, at a cheaper price? They've already done all the work to design the Lexus, so by your logic all their cars should look like their best ones, instead of "artificially limiting" the attractiveness of the cheaper ones...

Bah why do they think Home Premium shouldn't be able to host remote desktop. Stupid. Just have to hack it so it can as done with vista home premium and xp home.

Also why is it still the only two worded name why does it have to be Home Premium why not just home what's so difficult about that.

AND removing mobility center from Home mayaswell just toss mobile computing and netbooks etc out the window if plan on running Windows 7 Home premium edition...

I think they should be fair and rename Professional to Professional Premium edition. It's just as stupid.

Home Basic still exists, just not in US Markets. So Home Premium still needs to be "Home Premium"

If you want RDP in Home Premium (or any SKU, in actuality), install Live Mesh.

y_notm said,
Home Basic still exists, just not in US Markets. So Home Premium still needs to be "Home Premium"

If you want RDP in Home Premium (or any SKU, in actuality), install Live Mesh.

Well that's just silly, Basic essentially doesn't exist in standard consumer market so they should drop 'premium' because it's unnecessary.

Media center is still missing from professional right? Its not listed as included or not included.

Home users will be chosing from home premium and ultimate.

PS The actual article states that each version includes what the previous version does with some additions.

Home premium includes everything from starter and professional includes everything from home premium plus domain join and things like that.

Ultimate this time around is the same as enterprise .

The above neowin article should be edited to include the things its missing from the source article.

Media Centre will be included with Home Premium upwards probably. They are just the key features of each one. I would imagine that as with Vista, Media Centre is listed as a key feature of Home Premium, but as you're paying more for Ultimate, you know it'll include MC anyway, but it's key features are different.

bitlocker & BL to go let you encrypt your hard drive and usb drives. not sure about appLocker. Direct Access is a feature that will be used with win server 2008 R2 in corporate setups to allow vpn type access as long as the computer has an internet connection. Branch Cache is another corporate feature to allow remote offices on slow WAN connections to cache frequently access files at remote locations

no problem. basically really business/corp focused features.

though bitlocker to go would be great feature to have in home/pro

profets said,
no problem. basically really business/corp focused features.

though bitlocker to go would be great feature to have in home/pro

I totally agree!

Yes, let's have the most useful security features NOT installed by default in the edition that is clearly targeting for LAPTOP/OEM installs...wtf MS?

excalpius said,
Yes, let's have the most useful security features NOT installed by default in the edition that is clearly targeting for LAPTOP/OEM installs...wtf MS?

Exactly, their idea with Bitlocker was always an oddity to me. It's of most use to either home or corporate users with laptops or netbooks.

Why is Mobility Centre missing from Home Premium?

EDIT: Is it, or isn't it??

"Windows 7 Home Premium
Market: Mainstream retail market
Key features: Aero Glass, Aero Background, Windows Touch, Home Group creation, Media Center, DVD playback and authoring, premium games
What's missing: Domain join, Remote Desktop host, advanced backup, EFS, Mobility Center, Offline Folders

The volume Windows 7 offering for consumers builds on Starter and includes Mobility Center, Aero Glass, advanced windows navigation features like Aero Snap and Aero Peek, and multi-touch, as well as the ability to both create and participate in Home Groups. Home Premium will be sold at retail and be included with new computers."

Looks like ultimate and enterprise are the same apart from the licensing method, most people will use the pro version

From Paul

"Yes, they really are. Microsoft and its partners will focus most of their efforts selling Home Premium and Pro to the retail and consumer markets, and Enterprise to volume licensing business customers. That means that most consumers will simply have two choices when it comes to Windows 7: Home Premium and Pro. Just like with XP, when that OS first shipped."

I still wonder why they kept the Premium tag though. Since theres only one Home edition now, it seems kinda redundant.

I think they should rename "Home Basic" to "Starter Plus," seeing how we won't see either Starter or Home Basic on our store shelves. That way "Home Premium" can simply be "Home."

Though the word "premium" is a really fancy word to throw around for customers. "Choose our product! We offer you a premium user experience second to none!"

Exactly. Why remove something like that from ANY version? It's like the Remote Desktop stuff and Backup features...wtf?! Why would MS ship ANY modern OS without these beginning 101 core features. Pathetic artificial tiering.

As far as I can tell, Media Center is in every edition that will be sold in the US...

Starter and Home Basic are for "emerging markets" and such. And maybe Basic will show up on netbooks or whatever, not sure.

Brandon Live said,
And maybe Basic will show up on netbooks or whatever, not sure.

I hope not :no:

I'm hoping all netbooks can handle Home Premium as I originally heard.

and Ultimate... it's better SKUs than Vista but just make it really simple and have home and pro and price them accordingly! Then you have Enterprise for the corp guys. That's a better way to do it. Ultimate is a failure, the main reason people got it was for Ultimate extras which never got released properly.

So what if it's limited? Vista Ultimate is limited, you can still buy it online or in a store though. The fact is there are 3 retail editions when there should be 2 like Windows 2000 and Windows XP. They messed up with Vista and had a good chance to sort it out. If they actually commit to providing Ultimate customers with better extras then that's fine but if they don't then why bother.

come on Tom.. you really think people bought Ultimate for the extras? i know myself and a few others who spent money on ultimate knew what they were buying it for. myself it was easy, media center, RDP, domain joining.

with the way Home premium and Professional/business are setup, i think its pretty clear what the Ultimate sku is for.

the big mess which i think its good they cleaned up is dropping Home Basic

Ultimate is really just a consumer branding of the volume-license-only Enterprise edition. It sounds like it will be downplayed even more than Vista Ultimate was. There's no real reason to sell it prominently at retail with 7 since there aren't even any consumer oriented 'extras' or 'special features'.

Tom W said,
Ultimate is a failure, the main reason people got it was for Ultimate extras which never got released properly.

I'm sorry Tom, but that's a load of rubbish. Anyone who bought Ultimate just for the extras is a fool. They should immediately repackage their PC and return it to where they bought it from, because they are too stupid to own one.

Personally I didn't buy Ultimate because Bill Gates gave me a copy for free for helping him out with beta testing (thanks Bill!), however if I had to buy Windows I would have purchased Ultimate. Not because of the extras like you claim, but because no other SKU contained all the features I need. I run a domain at home and I want to use Media Centre. Only Ultimate gives me those features in one package.

Having an Ultimate edition (at least in Vista) makes perfect sense. In Windows 7 it's not really necessary unless you need encryption and enterprise level features as well as your home stuff.

Tom - NOBODY bought Ultimate for the extras. People bought Ultimate to have MCE and domain / RDP support on the same edition. Now they can just buy Pro.

Ultimate is still offered because without it, you wouldn't be able to buy Enterprise without a Software Assurance agreement. Ultimate and Enterprise are identical, they're just licensed through different channels.

Brandon Live said,
Tom - NOBODY bought Ultimate for the extras. People bought Ultimate to have MCE and domain / RDP support on the same edition. Now they can just buy Pro.

Ultimate is still offered because without it, you wouldn't be able to buy Enterprise without a Software Assurance agreement. Ultimate and Enterprise are identical, they're just licensed through different channels.


For those of us that are tech savvy, yes we didn't buy Ultimate for the extras. But for a average consumers point of view, they see these extra features like Aero, that will make their desktop "pretty", they pay for it. It's normal for a consumer to pay more for something that has more features.

True the RDP/MCE domain stuff was the main reason yes but that's another reason why there's no point having Ultimate now....it's a redundant SKU now effectively from a retail/consumer point of view. They should offer ultimate as just an anytime upgrade, people buy the boxed edition of home and pro and they can upgrade to ultimate online - much better.

Actually, since the DreamScene/DeskScapes Eye Candy was the ONLY visually stunning sell point for Vista (besides Aero), almost everyone I know who BOUGHT Ultimate at retail did so for that one Extra. Pirates and Pros (MSDN, Technet, etc.) went with Ultimate just because it was easier (like we all did with XP Pro instead of XP Gimp).

IMHO there is one version of Windows 7 but MS is selling it and shipping two artificially gimped versions which will, as usual, only confuse the hell out of end users and tech support personnel.

Brandon Live said,
Tom - NOBODY bought Ultimate for the extras. People bought Ultimate to have MCE and domain / RDP support on the same edition. Now they can just buy Pro.

Ultimate is still offered because without it, you wouldn't be able to buy Enterprise without a Software Assurance agreement. Ultimate and Enterprise are identical, they're just licensed through different channels.


However, they added one feature to 7 Ultimate that Vista Ultimate lacked (and 7 Professional still lacks): VHD bootup (being able to boot from virtual hard drives). The ONLY versions of 7 that support that feature are 7 Ultimate and 7 Enterprise. There is actually one subset of current Vista users (most of this group use Home Premium and Ultimate today) that will actually USE that particular feature - gamers. In fact, once the specs of this feature are properly defined, it likely will be gamers, more than any other class of user (even enterprise users) that will really stretch the limits of what is possible with VHDs in an operating system that supports VHD booting.

Tom W said,
True the RDP/MCE domain stuff was the main reason yes but that's another reason why there's no point having Ultimate now....it's a redundant SKU now effectively from a retail/consumer point of view. They should offer ultimate as just an anytime upgrade, people buy the boxed edition of home and pro and they can upgrade to ultimate online - much better.


That sounds like pretty much what is happening. It sounds like Ultimate probably won't be available at retail, just via special OEM offers or through Anytime Upgrade.

It isn't redundant, either. It has Bitlocker, Direct Access, VHD boot, and other corporate features. Sure, the audience is small, but is there a reason to not make it available? None that I can see.

PGHammer -

I don't really think VHD support is targetted at gamers... I don't even see how you think that benefits them.

Why do people think there is a lot? For the consumer there is only Home Premium, Pro and Ultimate... do you need pro features? ok pro, need home features? ok home... need both then ultimate... enterprise is for VLK almost always.. so few will see that and starter is for "developing" type nations

neufuse said,
Why do people think there is a lot? For the consumer there is only Home Premium, Pro and Ultimate... do you need pro features? ok pro, need home features? ok home... need both then ultimate... enterprise is for VLK almost always.. so few will see that and starter is for "developing" type nations

You get every feature from the lower tier when you move up.

So Ultimate has everything yes, but Pro has everything home has--it's not a tradeoff between home and pro.

Mav Phoenix said,
For the consumer there is only Home Premium, Pro and Ultimate...

Starter too (read the changes to the starter edition that may make it pop up in more typical markets and netbooks this time around), so that makes four already! Is that not much?

Why can't it just be like a OSX? and yes I do think Macs are over priced so I am biased. But with OSX You get EVERYTHING . You don't have to go out and buy different version of the OS for different features, that's just stupid. I think they should get rid of ultimate for one thing.

Though in Microsoft defense not a bad way of milking the gravy train.

MS is primarily a software company. theyre making several sku's and selling them accordingly to cover the market and maximize profit.

if apple wasnt building computers and sold OSX through retail and oem i doubt theyd have just 1 sku as well at $129

warwagon said,
Why can't it just be like a OSX? and yes I do think Macs are over priced so I am biased. But with OSX You get EVERYTHING . You don't have to go out and buy different version of the OS for different features, that's just stupid. I think they should get rid of ultimate for one thing.

Though in Microsoft defense not a bad way of milking the gravy train.


Except it's $400 just for Apple Remote Desktop, and don't forget the price of iLife.

Nevermind the fact that Apple isn't a software company (their SKU differentiation is done with the hardware, i.e. Macbook vs Macbook Pro), and that Apple can make more money by converting Windows users, whereas the only way for Microsoft to grow is to get some Windows users to pay more for premium features.

I'd much rather have a cheaper Home Premium version than pay a lot more money just because certain people like you want "everything".

I have no need, whatsoever, for BitLocker, BitLocker To Go, AppLocker, Direct Access, Branche Cache, etc, so I'd rather not pay over £100 more than I need to.

I'm sure when Windows Vista came out, Windows Vista Home Premium was £150 and Windows Vista Ultimate was between £250 and £300, or something like that (although I could be wrong, I know Ultimate was much more money).

I don't see what is wrong with separating the operating system up into different options, essentially making it much cheaper for the average user.

It's edition, not addition :P

Starter and Enterprise won't be around for most of us, but three choices is still one too many. Why bother with Home Premium? I guess I like Apple's take on giving all users the same OS with no particular features taken away. Microsoft wants you to pay for everything, even something so useful as Remote Desktop and advanced backup options. That's just retarded imho.

Agreed! I can't see why, in today's computing environment, MS would ship ANY version of their flagship OS without these core features.

Vakerorokero said,
Now it seems Ultimate gives you the "I just buy the best because i'm the best" kind of feeling.


Again, you fail to see the reasons why a home user or non-enterprise user would actually NEED Ultimate Edition (likely because you don't fall into those categories).

Here are the most likely groups of users that would actually NEED Ultimate Edition (either Vista OR 7) because of unique features:

1. Portable users, especially laptop and notebook users. Bitlocker and EFS are the biggest friends portable users have today, and unless you have VLK licensing, Ultimate is your ONLY choice to get access to both.

2. Presentations (especially video presentations). Hate it all you want; Media Center makes presentations painless. While Home Premium includes it, Home Premium doesn't connect to domains.

3. IT support (either OF telecommuters, or the IT support itself telecommutes, or both). Three words: Remote Desktop Professional. Unless you do VLK, it's unique to Ultimate.

4. Bargain-hunters. If you're building new hardware (or replacing a lot of hardware in an existing PC) then starting entirely from scratch may actually be cheaper than upgrading, especially on the OS side. Upgrade pricing for Vista Home Premium *today* is $99 (retail); however, OEM pricing is typically $10 less. The disparity gets worse as you move further up the SKU chain, and is worst of all when it comes to Ultimate. In fact, Ultimate even has a price disparity between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions (which use the same license keys); for some rather odd reason, Ultimate 64-bit is generally less expensive than Ultimate 32-bit (OEM vs. OEM).

There is one further driving factor that you need to consider: will the user be upgrading to 4 GB of RAM or more? While before last year, the answer may have been a qualified *maybe*, nowadays, the answer is almost certainly *yes*, even with the economy in the crapper, simply because system memory prices are even further in the outhouse (even DDR3 prices). The real question isn't if, but when.

1. Portable users, especially laptop and notebook users. Bitlocker and EFS are the biggest friends portable users have today, and unless you have VLK licensing, Ultimate is your ONLY choice to get access to both.

Or save a CRAPLOAD of money and use e.g. TrueCrypt.

If it's just for solitary reasons like these, it's insane to purchase a pricey Ultimate edition.

2. Presentations (especially video presentations). Hate it all you want; Media Center makes presentations painless. While Home Premium includes it, Home Premium doesn't connect to domains.

Pro does these, no need for Ultimate?
3. IT support (either OF telecommuters, or the IT support itself telecommutes, or both). Three words: Remote Desktop Professional. Unless you do VLK, it's unique to Ultimate.

RDP is available for Pro already, no need for Ultimate. (and Pro doesn't lack Home Premium features)

The2 said,
^^

There is a Home Basic edition (mentionned after the list), but for some reason the editor chose not to compare it. The article isn't quite coherent actually...

With the majority of consumers buying Vista Ultimate for Aero effects

This is totally false for instance... The Aero effects were included in all other versions from Home Premium and up.

NGPixel said,
There is a Home Basic edition (mentionned after the list), but for some reason the editor chose not to compare it.

Home Basic is not available to retail. Only in "starter"/developing nations. In Win7, Home Basic is Starter but without the 3 program, CPU speed, RAM limits in place.

good to see that they are following in the Vista tradition and they are having as many versions and colors in the rainbow

TCLN Ryster said,
Did you read ANY of the above comments before spouting out your own? There are LESS editions than with Vista.

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Pro
Windows XP Starter
Windows XP Media Center
Windows XP Tablet PC
Windows XP 64-bit
Windows XP Embedded

Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Enterprise
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Vist 64-bit
Windows Vista Embedded

Windows 7 Starter Edition (for emerging market and netbook users)
Windows 7 Home Premium (the main ?Media Center? equivalent)
Windows 7 Home Basic (for emerging market customers only)
Windows 7 Professional (the business SKU for home users and non-enterprise licensees)
Windows 7 Enterprise (for volume licensees)
Windows 7 Ultimate (for consumers who want/need business features)

Its same as Vista but now its differentiated way better than Vista

Tom W said,
Windows 7 home, Windows 7 pro. Simple. No need for ultimate.

what if you have a PC at home thats running media center and joined to a domain.. and gets connected to with RDP?

Tom W said,
That's what pro does, it runs media center, joins a domain and allows RDP.

thats what we were expecting from what we heard few weeks back, but its not mentioned here. maybe you confused it with 'mobility center'? i did the first time reading through it quickly.

even still.. if you are a power user and want features like "BitLocker To Go, AppLocker, Direct Access", you'll have to go with Ultimate. would have been nice for all these things to be in professional i guess.

If you go by Paul's list (I still don't see an official source, but everyone is talking like there is one so I may have missed it)...

Pro has everything that Home Premium has, plus the additions listed here. Personally, I think this makes things MUCH simpler. Most people are capable of deciding whether they want Home Premium (average home user with no domain or RDP) or Pro (power users, small businesses, etc).

The only 3rd option that most people will never see is Ultimate, but most people don't need BitLocker or DA...

So basically the SKUs have been dropped to two, one is a superset of the other, and most people who bought Vista Ultimate (because they wanted MCE and domain / RDP) can just buy Win7 Pro, basically getting a price break.

yeah, makes more sense. would have been nice if it was mentioned in the article that each sku is a superset of the previous.

so really home and pro are like they were with XP. and ultimate really seems like an 'enterprise' for home users if they need everything

Tom W said,
Windows 7 home, Windows 7 pro. Simple. No need for ultimate.


Wrong. Ultimate (like Vista, Ultimate is just that, the *Kitchen Sink Edition* of Windows) is for that class of user that needs/desires every possible feature but on a non-VLK basis (unlike Enterprise, Ultimate will not be sold VLK-style). While Ultimate and Enterprise are almost mirror-images of each other, they are intended for far different customer-types (by licensing). You think that there aren't many customers that have an actual USE for Ultimate? Then you obviously aren't a telecommuter or in IT support.

Brandon Live said,
If you go by Paul's list (I still don't see an official source, but everyone is talking like there is one so I may have missed it)...

Pro has everything that Home Premium has, plus the additions listed here. Personally, I think this makes things MUCH simpler. Most people are capable of deciding whether they want Home Premium (average home user with no domain or RDP) or Pro (power users, small businesses, etc).

The only 3rd option that most people will never see is Ultimate, but most people don't need BitLocker or DA...

So basically the SKUs have been dropped to two, one is a superset of the other, and most people who bought Vista Ultimate (because they wanted MCE and domain / RDP) can just buy Win7 Pro, basically getting a price break.


They will ONLY get that price break if they can crossgrade from Vista Ultimate to 7 Professional (something Vista didn't permit; you could crossgrade either sideways OR upward, but not down). Going from Vista Ultimate to anything BUT 7 Ultimate would be seen as a downgrade, and something likely to not fly (downgrades required a clean install), thereby wiping out any price break.

I bought Vista Ultimate because of RDP and Media Center (more so RDP than Media Center), and I fully expect to be going with 7 Ultimate (NOT Professional), but largely for reasons of continuity (however, I would largely recommend 7 Professional instead of Home Premium for new builds, but that is because of the increased capabilities present in today's hardware).

Actually, this is Microsoft, remember they thrive on Windows. It's like Coca Cola making a couple different versions of the same soda every year.

How is it worse? There are basically only two editions now... Home Premium and Professional.

I thought be would be rejoicing that Professional is back and now includes everything in Home Premium... so you don't need to buy Ultimate if you want Remote Desktop and Media Center.

Brandon Live said,
How is it worse? There are basically only two editions now... Home Premium and Professional.

I thought be would be rejoicing that Professional is back and now includes everything in Home Premium... so you don't need to buy Ultimate if you want Remote Desktop and Media Center.


That's really interesting. So Pro has everything except the bitlocker features and VHD boot. Interesting...

Julius Caro said,
I doubt pro will have media center

did you check the source? or even pay attention to brandon's comments?

pro is a superset of home

hardgiant said,
It's worst then Vista !!!!!!!!

Cross-posting from forum:

XP had:
Pro, Pro N, Pro K, Pro KN, Home, Home N, Home K, Home KN, Starter, Media Centre, Tablet PC, 64-bit (IA64) & 64-bit Pro (x86-64).
That's 13 SKUs.

Vista has:
Starter, Home Basic, Home Basic N, Home Basic K, Home Basic KN, Home Premium, Business, Business N, Business K, Business KN, Enterprise and Ultimate.

That's 12 SKUs.

Windows 7 will have:
Starter, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Ultimate, and I'm assuming there'll be Home Premium N, Home Premium K, Home Premium NK, Enterprise N, Enterprise K and Enterprise NK.

That's 11 SKUs.

Seems to me the situation is improving - 7 > Vista > XP in this regard.


tl;dr:
There are less SKUs now than ever.

not bad. thank goodness theres just 1 Home edition we'll see on store shelves.. actually most people will see home premium and professional it seems..

The biggest plus for consumers with these editions is the fact that the hottest feature of Windows Vista, Aero, is now offered in Starter and Home Premium editions rather than in Ultimate. But what about Ultimate? With the majority of consumers buying Vista Ultimate for Aero effects, how will Windows 7 Ultimate be marketed to gain consumer attention?

what? windows Aero was included in vista home basic and vista home premium. the only difference for home basic was that it didnt have the transparency option under personalization->appearance

Yeah, what the heck is that trying to say? That makes no sense at all - all editions of Vista (except maybe Starter) support the DWM and the Aero theme, the only limitation was in Home Basic's lack of Flip3D and transparency.

Is somebody going to correct that?

xendrome said,
I'm pretty sure Windows Home Basic did not have Aero....

and i'm pretty sure that you're wrong. i mentioned earlier that aero was included in home basic with a level of certainty no? when Brandon mentions it you might want to agree too

I think people are getting confused between Aero and Aero Glass. Aero Glass was only available in Home Premium or above with a compatible video card. All versions of Vista have Aero AFAIK.

nah, maybe you're confused. there was never anything called "aero glass"

there was the windows Aero theme. the difference in home basic was (if i remember it) Windows Aero Basic. which had the same effects, but there was no checkbox for Transparency. also like brandon mentioned, no Flip3D

First of all, qbie their is no difference between Aero and Aero Glass - they are the same thing, secondly, the Aero interface is NOT included in the Starter and Basic Editions, and thirdly, Wikipedia is an unreliable source because of user submitted content qbie - why do you think some countries block the site?

ZQA said,
First of all, qbie their is no difference between Aero and Aero Glass - they are the same thing, secondly, the Aero interface is NOT included in the Starter and Basic Editions, and thirdly, Wikipedia is an unreliable source because of user submitted content qbie - why do you think some countries block the site?

great, another incorrect post. everyone should really just have payed attention to Brandon's post as it was most accurate.

Home Basic has the Aero Basic theme. which is exactly the same as the usual Aero theme, but without the transparency option, and no Flip3D available.

ZQA said,
Ok profets, tell me where it states that the Bsic Edition has Aero? I am providing links to these editions so that you do not get confused - your post is INCORRECT!! Here they are, pay attention: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-v...home-basic.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-v...tures/aero.aspx

Its not officially supported no, but it is in fact included and can be enabled with a registry key.

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=aero+on+vista+home+basic

Windows Vista Home Basic supports only a pseudo-Aero interface, and does not use e.g. transparency effects, and that's that. I've used it.

ZQA - maybe you should read my post again.

"Home Basic has the Aero Basic theme. which is exactly the same as the usual Aero theme, but without the transparency option, and no Flip3D available"

you must be really confused. have you ever used Vista Home Basic?

like i said, and Brandon, an MS employee mentioned earlier, all Vista editions (not sure about starter) have DWM. They all have the Aero theme, but like i said, Home Basic has the Aero Basic theme. Aero Basic is like Aero, but does not have the transparency checkbox option under Window Color and Appearance.

Now ZQA, pay attention: go to that first link you posted. check out one of the first screenshots there, the one of IE. that is the same Aero theme as HomePrem/Bus/Ult , but with no transparency. your own link that you posted shows that YOU ARE INCORRECT!!!

if you still dont believe, i'll even install vista home basic on a spare PC and send you some screenshots

Turge said,
owned!

Look it up people: Vista Standard... not to be confused with Aero, also known as Aero Glass

why dont you try it yourself. Home Basic has an aero type theme in which the only difference is you cannot use transparency. the glossy type effects and stuff are all there

i guess you're just as smart as ZQA. making posts regarding an OS you havent even used

profets said,
i guess you're just as smart as ZQA.


Finally an accurate statement from you. ZQA has posted 2 links which clearly indicates that Home Basic does not include Windows Aero. Yet, your closed mind continues to believe that Windows Aero is in fact the Vista theme known in Home Basic as Windows Vista Standard and Windows Vista Basic. I should know, I'm currently posting this from Vista Home Basic.

Anyways, when you figure out how to enable Aero in Home Basic, please let these users know: http://www.ghacks.net/2007/05/13/enable-vi...sta-home-basic/

Turge said,
Finally an accurate statement from you. ZQA has posted 2 links which clearly indicates that Home Basic does not include Windows Aero. Yet, your closed mind continues to believe that Windows Aero is in fact the Vista theme known in Home Basic as Windows Vista Standard and Windows Vista Basic. I should know, I'm currently posting this from Vista Home Basic.

Anyways, when you figure out how to enable Aero in Home Basic, please let these users know: http://www.ghacks.net/2007/05/13/enable-vi...sta-home-basic/

close minded? please. check my posts. i said it included aero basic (ok, the name was incorrect, the theme name is vista standard), but the whole point in all my posts were that the theme included is exactly like windows aero without the transparency option

if you are using home basic then you could have at least figured out what i was talking about no? does "vista standard" not look exactly like "windows aero" but without transparency?

maybe we should agree on something. that the whole vista home basic and making a special theme for it called vista standard (which makes it even more confusing) was a real waste of time and a mistake on microsofts part.

profets said,


close minded? please. check my posts. i said it included aero basic (ok, the name was incorrect, the theme name is vista standard), but the whole point in all my posts were that the theme included is exactly like windows aero without the transparency option

if you are using home basic then you could have at least figured out what i was talking about no? does "vista standard" not look exactly like "windows aero" but without transparency?

maybe we should agree on something. that the whole vista home basic and making a special theme for it called vista standard (which makes it even more confusing) was a real waste of time and a mistake on microsofts part.


Agreed.

I give up, I have cited my references. Thank you Turge, but I don't think that some are ready to listen what others have to say. I will say one last thing, if a registry hack or whatever exists then why has no one responded to "how"? Microsoft clearly states that this feature is not readily available in these two versions, I believe that profets cannot except that he is wrong, instead try's to find a way out through an excuse. It turns out that profets is "unprofitable", what a waste of time - enough said.

Brandon Live said,
Yeah, what the heck is that trying to say? That makes no sense at all - all editions of Vista (except maybe Starter) support the DWM and the Aero theme, the only limitation was in Home Basic's lack of Flip3D and transparency.

Is somebody going to correct that?

Well, that's Paul Thurrott for you :rolleyes:, as I'm sure you know. That guy should be banned from any Windows 7 meetings. His knowledge on Windows is actually quite poor compared to somebody in the know and then he and his friend have the nerve to call him "Mr. Microsoft" on his podcast! :blink:

That's got to be an insult!

ZQA said,
I give up, I have cited my references. Thank you Turge, but I don't think that some are ready to listen what others have to say. I will say one last thing, if a registry hack or whatever exists then why has no one responded to "how"? Microsoft clearly states that this feature is not readily available in these two versions, I believe that profets cannot except that he is wrong, instead try's to find a way out through an excuse. It turns out that profets is "unprofitable", what a waste of time - enough said.


again - was i not clearly describing an aero type theme that did not include transparency? my mistake was referring to it as 'aero basic' when its really called 'vista standard'. either way, its a theme that looks just like aero but with no transparency option

i'm not trying to find any way out. i've used home basic before. i knew it had a theme that looked like aero but with less functions. it uses DWM like other vista editions. thats all i'm trying to say

Profets, you are correct that Windows Vista Home Basic includes Windows Vista Theme and lacks transparency, but...

does "vista standard" not look exactly like "windows aero" but without transparency?

No. Go to Control Panel -> Personalization -> Windows Color and Appearance -> Open classic appereance properties for more color options ->
compare Color Schemes Windows Vista Basic and Windows Aero.

Windows Vista Home Basic lacks Windows Aero Color Scheme; hence, no complete Aero Experience and a slightly different look: Taskbar, Start Menu are the same, but window control buttons (minimize/maximize/close) are different.


Vista Basic:
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard01cd7.jpg

Aero:
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard02ub3.jpg

;)

zhiVago said,
Profets, you are correct that Windows Vista Home Basic includes Windows Vista Theme and lacks transparency, but...



No. Go to Control Panel -> Personalization -> Windows Color and Appearance -> Open classic appereance properties for more color options ->
compare Color Schemes Windows Vista Basic and Windows Aero.


That is incorrect. Vista Home Basic includes the "Vista Standard" visual style, which is an Aero style that simply does not allow transparency. It is otherwise identical to Aero.

Here's a screenshot:

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcas...a_ff_std_03.gif


in Brandon's link, the actual theme thats running is vista standard, and looks just like windows aero minues the transparency. vista basic, is the crappier looking one that isnt using dwm,