Windows 7 to RTM within a year?

Microsoft has let the cat out of the bag a week early and stated "there is not another WinHEC planned before Windows 7 is released."

Blogger Long Zheng noticed the admission on Microsoft's WinHEC 2008 site.

As the WinHEC conference is an annual affair, providing the conference isn't cancelled next year then this would put Windows 7 on target for a RTM before November next year.

The revelation follows comments from ASUS CEO Jerry Shen discussing the future of the ASUS Eee PC in an interview with Laptop Mag. "I think in the future in the second half of next year we will put Windows 7 on Eee PCs" said Shen.

If all of this is true and Microsoft is on target with Windows 7 then recent rumours of a Beta 1 in December would not be far off.

Microsoft will be unveiling the full Windows 7 desktop during a keynote by Steven Sinofsky at its professional developers conference in Los Angeles next Tuesday. Attendees will also be given access to a pre-beta build during the PDC.

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I just hope that they don't treat is a major OS with another $250 upgrade price tag. Perhaps they could do a "step-up" where if you have Vista, you can upgrade for less seeing as its going to be a much small step from Vista to 7 than it was from XP to Vista.

I'm so tired of the BS comments about Vista. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH VISTA. Stupid idiots have never even tried Vista. So why do you even think Windows7 would be any different? If anything, it will have more things you hate in it than Vista does.

Microsoft would be foolish to come out with a new windows so soon. It would tick off your current Vista customers because they don't care to pay to upgrade again so soon, and the people not using Vista will not buy Windows 7 either, guaranteed.

Its about time Microsoft started charging what most companies charge for new software... in the $40 to $50 range.
If Microsoft wants anything to change, thats the only way its going happen.

Hate to say it, but MS is working overtime trying to produce a Vista replacement. Why would MS not want to release Win 7? They don't care about "ticking off Vista users", because Vista will not suddenly stop working when Win 7 is released and to claim people not using Vista will not buy Win 7 is, well, just ridiculous. What proof do you have that this is true?

techbeck - Maybe "overtime" is the wrong word. I'm willing to imagine it's near the top of the priority list at least.

ozzy76 said,
Hate to say it, but MS is working overtime trying to produce a Vista replacement. Why would MS not want to release Win 7? They don't care about "ticking off Vista users", because Vista will not suddenly stop working when Win 7 is released and to claim people not using Vista will not buy Win 7 is, well, just ridiculous. What proof do you have that this is true?

Ok, MS is not working overtime. The main reason I think they are replacing it is because companies, like Apple, and people who complain about needing a good PC for once...gave Vista a bad name. I mean, look at the Mojave thing MS did. People loved the OS and they knew what Vista was...and was shocked to find out it is Vista. Granted, they could of held off releasing Vista until there was better driver support...but crap happens...

techbeck said,
Ok, MS is not working overtime. The main reason I think they are replacing it is because companies, like Apple, and people who complain about needing a good PC for once...gave Vista a bad name. I mean, look at the Mojave thing MS did. People loved the OS and they knew what Vista was...and was shocked to find out it is Vista. Granted, they could of held off releasing Vista until there was better driver support...but crap happens...

You know, I'm not bashing Vista but that Mojave "Folger's Crystals" thing was such BS. I'm so sure they showed every single person that tried it and their reactions rather than hand picking only the good reactions. That's assuming the whole thing wasn't scripted to begin with.

So after people just bought Vista, now Windows 7 is coming soon too ..err? what would make people want to spend their money again after an upgrade to Vista?

I am actually looking forward to Windows 7, excited to see what it will bring to the table. If it does impress I might have a windows machine back in my house. :-)

This really isn't mews, considering MS has been more-or-less saying that it'll be out in a year...or earlier. Gates himself slipped that they are aiming for next summer. ^_^

so it really is just a fine tuned, improved version of Windows Vista. RTM by next november... do we really need Windows 7 in early 2010?

I would expect it be delayed for the holiday season 2010

shockz said,
For the last time... WinFS is not a replacement to NTFS. :rolleyes:

Much of this community is no where near qualified to talk about OS features. People have been screaming "WINFS IS NOT A FILESYSTEM!!!" for several years now, and they still don't get it.

MioTheGreat said,
Much of this community is no where near qualified to talk about OS features. People have been screaming "WINFS IS NOT A FILESYSTEM!!!" for several years now, and they still don't get it.

Just be tolerant of others. Some people dont get and and they wont get it. If everyone got everything, then lots of people will be out of a job.

It's kind of Microsoft's fault. They never should have named it WinFS knowing full well that FS was going to be interpreted as "file system" and not the ridiculous sounding "future storage" that they wanted it to be.

Not sure how this is "letting the cat out of the bag". The announcement that Windows 7 would be released at the beginning of 2010 (and therefore RTM around October/November 2009) was made over a year ago. We all know the timeframe already, and, amazingly, so far Microsoft appears to be completely on track with it. :o)

I think if they sorted out that horrible incarnation of explorer Vista has then we might all appreciate the technology underneith. Making Vista look like a Stardock app designed it really put me off.

CrazyK said,
I think if they sorted out that horrible incarnation of explorer Vista has then we might all appreciate the technology underneith. Making Vista look like a Stardock app designed it really put me off.

The new Windows Explorer was my number one complaint about Vista, it's just that terrible. At least to me; most people don't seem to care. I tried all the replacement file managers I could find but they weren't that great either. Why can't someone just make a clone of Windows Explorer from Win95 and be done with it. I don't want thumbnails, previews, favorites bars, task panes, files that highlight as you mouse over them, flashing lights, buzzers, etc. I won't even mention the green bar of doom. I just want a simple, fast file manager.

Sounds from those Eee PC comments that 7 will be lighter than Vista. If it's light enough I may switch my Parallels VM from XP to 7.

MS will not release Windows 7 in a year. Everytime they announce a release date, they push it back several times. But this OS should be better and I heard they are removing a bunch of extras that no one uses...should cut down on the size.

Yeah. I enjoyed the WinXP beta process but I skipped Vista until launch because of driver issues (couldn't even get sound working). With Win7 using the same driver model and supposedly aimed more towards performance (how could it not be?) it may be worth checking it out.

I went to an Expo (on the 1st October), at which Microsoft's head of UK sales was attending, and we had a discussion about the lack of take-up for Vista. His word's were,

With Windows 7 less than a year away, it's going to be next to impossible to convince corporations to choose Vista as a valid upgrade path.

I just assumed this was general knowledge. :-S

SilverB.

Your Windows 8 and 9 "predictions" are obviously pure speculation. However, Microsoft's plans have always been to come out with new versions of Windows every 2-3 years, Vista was the exception, thanks to multiple issues (some involving XP, SP2 anyone?).

Yeah I find Vista better than XP too even if it wasn't a perfect release.

Also how do you expect to fund these practical enhancements if your not making money on the products? Sure Linux gets by but for a company with staff on payrolls working day in day out you need to be turning over some money.

And if Windows OS's weren't in any way practical MS would have gone bankrupt years ago anyway.

Smigit said,
...
Also how do you expect to fund these practical enhancements if your not making money on the products? Sure Linux gets by but for a company with staff on payrolls working day in day out you need to be turning over some money.
...
You asked the question, then went about with the wrong answer on Linux. Red Hat has been solely a Linux/Open Source provider. They make their money selling service contracts, particularly on large enterprises. And they make money. IBM, Novell and others are doing the same thing, but on businesses comprised of both Open and Closed Source offerings.

Majesticmerc said,
That's a great business model now isn't it :-P

So kind of like how Apple does business? Oh, hang on - they do the same thing!

mrmckeb said,
So kind of like how Apple does business? Oh, hang on - they do the same thing!

Apple cranks out OS versions pretty quick to. But we all have the option on whether we want to upgrade or not. But I think the only OS that MS Created for profit was Windows ME...that was a joke of an OS.

techbeck said,
But we all have the option on whether we want to upgrade or not.

As opposed to Windows? I don't think anyone was forced to upgrade to Vista.

I'm quite curious about this Vista and Win 7. So close together could say volumes. I will upgrade my "then" laptop for Win7. I've heard that the kernel is the winmin kernel small, yet fast and light.

or I might load up the latest Linux flavor of choice

ChrisJ1968 said,
I'm quite curious about this Vista and Win 7. So close together could say volumes. I will upgrade my "then" laptop for Win7. I've heard that the kernel is the winmin kernel small, yet fast and light.

or I might load up the latest Linux flavor of choice

nope it is still NT kernel

winmin is side project that they might incorporated some idea in distant future windows release (win8 / win9)

I don't have a time line, but I don't believe that Windows 7 is that close to Vista in the scheme of things. When you look at 95, 98, ME and XP all had only a couple of years turn arounds. A similar release schedule is happening over at Apple with their releases. Really it's only Xp to Vista that was more than a couple of years.

Smigit said,
I don't have a time line, but I don't believe that Windows 7 is that close to Vista in the scheme of things. When you look at 95, 98, ME and XP all had only a couple of years turn arounds. A similar release schedule is happening over at Apple with their releases. Really it's only Xp to Vista that was more than a couple of years.


Well, based on the time-line, imo I would say Win7 would be similar to Vista in terms of technology used. Vista is an OS that offers a similar experience with XP but with most of the under-the-hood stuffs revamped (ie: audio, network, display through DWM/DCE). Win7 would by then be an OS that delivers a different experience that uses these Vista-era architectures.

To me, it's like Win98 (Vista) and Win98SE (Win7). Vista took longer cuz of MS' over-ambitious plan and the reset of codebase. Well, consider the architectures that are changed in Vista, I still don't think 5 years is a very long time for that, especially when these changes would be fundamentals for future Windows OS (rather than stucking with what we have in XP forever!)

Yeah thats true. My point was more that in order to make the OS better they need to turn a profit, be it selling the product or selling support.

I maybe was a big general with Linux as there are your Redhats and Novells which do distribute it as a commercial venture, but I was just pointing out that there are releases and developers doing it for non profit uses. Thing is those distros are either getting donations or likely don't have too many full time staff doing development.

It was my understanding, that all drivers which were written for Vista will also work under 7? In that case I'd definitely try out 7 when it goes retail. Don't want to throw out my m-audio equipment just because of an OS. :)

Although imho I think they are releasing 7 quite early, can't imagine it to be "that" better to be honest, but time will tell of course.

Vista did all the major changes under the hood, windows 7 will not be such a radical change. Chances are they will work or little will have to be done by the hardware manufacturers to make them work. this is a MUCH less radical change than xp to vista was so we probably won't have ridiculous driver issues this time around.

Damnit, I was hoping Windows 7 wouldn't be around for quite a while yet, I was planning on using Windows 7 as a good excuse to heavily upgrade my PC :P Oh well. Doing it just for one game seems so... gluttonous.

I don't think Windows 7 will need a (much) more powerful computer anyway So you don't really need an excuse. In my opinion, Windows 7 should just be an optimization of Vista: clean stuff up, make everything more accessible and faster. Essentially streamline the product.

However a few new features that people actually want and need (I'm looking at you, Sidebar) would be nice.

And for God's sake get me screen zooming.

there's no "speculation" about a december beta..... actually, someone leaked an invite to the beta already (somewhere in the forums or news) that said the beta would start around the middle of november or early december (in about a month i believe the wording was)...

creamhackered said,
I think it'll be like 98SE was to 98 to be honest. There will definitely be improvements that will push people off XP

Well, more like what 98 was to 95.

mrmckeb said,
No, Vista is already that.

What, to XP? Considering Vista changed quite a lot of the underpinnings, it's certainitely can't be compared to 98 over 95. Windows 7 on the other hand shares nearly all the underpinnings of Vista, just like 98 did with 95, therefore you can make comparisons, with Windows 7 and Vista similar to 98 and 95.

testman said,
What, to XP? Considering Vista changed quite a lot of the underpinnings, it's certainitely can't be compared to 98 over 95. Windows 7 on the other hand shares nearly all the underpinnings of Vista, just like 98 did with 95, therefore you can make comparisons, with Windows 7 and Vista similar to 98 and 95.

Sorry, I assumed you were downplaying the changes in Vista like most people seem to.

I hope this is worth it.... :-/ Vista was a large disappointment to me. I did purchase the retail Home Premium; however, it hasn't shown many changes over XP that work to my advantage.

HeartMan said,
How's WFS coming? Will that be included in this new Vista SP2/ME/Enhanced release or are we going to have to wait even longer?

If by "WFS," you mean WinFS... ain't happening.

HeartMan said,
How's WFS coming? Will that be included in this new Vista SP2/ME/Enhanced release or are we going to have to wait even longer?

It was axed... years ago.

HeartMan said,
How's WFS coming? Will that be included in this new Vista SP2/ME/Enhanced release or are we going to have to wait even longer?

*face palm*

HeartMan said,
How's WFS coming? Will that be included in this new Vista SP2/ME/Enhanced release or are we going to have to wait even longer?

HeartMan, I bet you couldn't even tell us exactly what WinFS is. Nor can most people who bitched about vista not inducing winfs.

HeartMan said,
How's WFS coming? Will that be included in this new Vista SP2/ME/Enhanced release or are we going to have to wait even longer?

It's finished. It's being used in other products right now. Get with the programme.