Windows 7 users will still use Zune Music service

Microsoft just announced its new Xbox Music service, which will offer Windows 8 and Windows RT users free streaming music from 30 million tracks. However, the current Zune Music service is not going away completely.

The Verge has confirmed with Microsoft that owners of Windows 7-based PCs, as well as owners of Windows Phone 7.5 based devices, can still access the Zune Music service but won't be able to access the features in Xbox Music, which will be limited to Windows 8, Windows RT, Windows Phone 8 and Xbox 360 owners (Microsoft also plans to launch iOS and Android ports of Xbox Music in the near future).

Jerry Johnson, the general manager of Xbox Music, states, "Windows 7 will still have the old Zune client. That client will have access based on the subscriptions and the content that anyone purchased and that content can flow forward to Windows 8 but we're not touching that client just now."

At the end of August, Microsoft decided to shut down a number of the features used by Zune Music customers, including their ability to share songs, playlists, and albums and its Mixview playback and channel playlists.

Source: The Verge | Image via Microsoft

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If anyone doesn't like this, just upgrade to Windows 8. It'll be dirt cheap, it'll run just as well (if not better) than Windows 7 on your hardware, and it'll give you access to *everything* new coming to Windows in the future, desktop or modern UI.

Refusing to upgrade is just stubbornness.

POW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Microsoft's foot should look like a bake potato now as many times as they keep shooting themselves in the foot. I am really starting to believe that Steve Ballmer is the FAIL of Microsoft now.

jimmyfal said,
Spotify and Pandora will work using any browser on any OS. Will Xbox Music? I'm unclear on this.

Never mind, I think I'm wrong on that front anyway... not the first time, wont' be the last... wish we had an edit button here....

jimmyfal said,

Never mind, I think I'm wrong on that front anyway... not the first time, wont' be the last... wish we had an edit button here....

But not available on most countries, Xbox music will have better support.

jimmyfal said,
Spotify and Pandora will work using any browser on any OS. Will Xbox Music? I'm unclear on this.

XBox Music should be moving to HTML5 in place of Silverlight for music streaming. Right now it needs silverlight support.

Pandora uses HTML5, so it works on many browsers well, and for Phones, on WP7 with IE9, the browser automatically integrates HTML5 audio streams into the music client automatically, so Pandora works great on WP7 in the background, unlike on Android and iOS that suspend and close the browser even if audio is playing.

Those of us using Windows 7 will get an Xbox Music application at some point as the article states:

"Windows 7 will still have the old Zune client. That client will have access based on the subscriptions and the content that anyone purchased and that content can flow forward to Windows 8 but we're not touching that client just now."

That suggests to me that they are focusing on Windows 8 for now and seeing as the Zune Desktop application still works they're taking an "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. Seems reasonable to me, focus on getting Windows 8 into the hands of consumers and work on the services for both platforms afterwards.

You launch a big music service but make it unavailable for the most used operation system, you launch it for a phone that's not available and you still expect to beat Spotify? Sure, Spotify has it's flaws but Microsoft, again, isn't even trying.

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker said,

WP 7.5 users will get WP 7.8, which will have the Xbox Music. Relax.

Are you sure about that? There is no mention of that anywhere.

.Neo said,
What Microsoft is doing to Windows Phone 7.5 users really isn't okay.

We're you not finding excuses a few months ago during one of our discussions for Apple not supporting Macs that were just a few years old?

.Neo said,
What Microsoft is doing to Windows Phone 7.5 users really isn't okay.

They aren't doing anything to them. The Zune service will continue to work on WP7.5. Besides, those users will be updated to WP7.8 and Xbox Music. And Windows 7 users can continue to use Zune. And Windows 8 users can still use the Zune client to sync their phones on Windows 8.

I'm not seeing anything wrong here. It's more or less just a re-brand. It doesn't break anything.

nohone said,
We're you not finding excuses a few months ago during one of our discussions for Apple not supporting Macs that were just a few years old?

Not to my recollection no. There's also a huge difference between a product being few years old and few months old while still being sold as new to this very day.

Edited by .Neo, Oct 15 2012, 8:02am :

rfirth said,
They aren't doing anything to them. The Zune service will continue to work on WP7.5. Besides, those users will be updated to WP7.8 and Xbox Music.

Did Microsoft confirm that in any way? As far as I've read it's just something people assume would happen, not something the company actually promised.

However, if you're right then there's no immediate problem. I agree.

.Neo said,

Did Microsoft confirm that in any way? As far as I've read it's just something people assume would happen, not something the company actually promised.

However, if you're right then there's no immediate problem. I agree.


Nope they didnt confirm that. All WP7 users are known to be getting is the homescreen which, quite frankly i couldnt give a **** about.
WP7 users have been bent over by MS and well and truely f******, and before anyone calls me a fanboy, I own a lumia. Just calling it how it is.

the better twin said,

Nope they didnt confirm that. All WP7 users are known to be getting is the homescreen which, quite frankly i couldnt give a **** about.
WP7 users have been bent over by MS and well and truely f******, and before anyone calls me a fanboy, I own a lumia. Just calling it how it is.

OH NOES!111 Once WP8 launches, WP7 is going stop working!!11!! Oh wait..

the better twin said,
WP7 users have been bent over by MS and well and truely f******, and before anyone calls me a fanboy, I own a lumia. Just calling it how it is.

I own a Lumia 900 and I agree. Because of this and very poor Mac support I've decided not to upgrade to Windows Phone 8.

ahhell said,
OH NOES!111 Once WP8 launches, WP7 is going stop working!!11!! Oh wait..

That's totally besides the point really.

the better twin said,

Nope they didnt confirm that. All WP7 users are known to be getting is the homescreen which, quite frankly i couldnt give a **** about.
WP7 users have been bent over by MS and well and truely f******, and before anyone calls me a fanboy, I own a lumia. Just calling it how it is.

You will be shocked how much you are getting in 7.8 and how little the basic differences are between and the initial release of WP8.

Think of it like this, what you hardware doesn't support, they can't give you. What the WinCE kernel and stack does not have, they cannot give you.

In the meantime, there will be little difference in the versions, as the App platform framework works the same and looks the same.

About a year down the road when high quality 3D gaming and other WP8 only Apps start appearing will be the big difference, which your current hardware cannot handle anyway.

I reacted like you at first as well, but after seeing what they have publicly disclosed and what my connections have shared, the WP7.8 is going to be a good product and will differ very little from WP8 at launch.

Panda X said,
What's with the unneeded fragmentation?

Windows 7 users shall be punished by having to use Zune. MS wants you on Windows 8, so they won't give you free stuff if you are still on Windows 7. New games and other cool apps will be Windows 8 and up. Soon, the reason to stick with Windows 7 will become less and less compelling. Take that Windows 8 haters!

Deranged said,
Can't really use those on Win7.

Then Microsoft could have written apps specially for Windows 7 and Windows Phone 7.5. It's not like the company lacks the resources.

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker said,

Windows 7 users shall be punished by having to use Zune. MS wants you on Windows 8, so they won't give you free stuff if you are still on Windows 7. New games and other cool apps will be Windows 8 and up. Soon, the reason to stick with Windows 7 will become less and less compelling. Take that Windows 8 haters!


the Xbox Music app and Zune are practically the same, at least functionally. Performance wise I couldn't say, the XB app seemed to take an untoward amount of time stalled to log in when I used it, but it may have been improved since then. But since it's WinRT it should use a lot less resources when it's just playing music in the background.

Deranged said,

the Xbox Music app and Zune are practically the same, at least functionally. Performance wise I couldn't say, the XB app seemed to take an untoward amount of time stalled to log in when I used it, but it may have been improved since then. But since it's WinRT it should use a lot less resources when it's just playing music in the background.

Performance wise, the Music app on Windows 8 is FAR better than that bloated Zune app. I had nightmare with that app. My CPU wouldn't stop blowing out hot air when using it.

Secondly, Xbox music will provide FREE music streaming; Zune requires you to pay.

Finally, MS won't be updating the Zune app with new features. MS cares about the future not the past. Windows 7 and Zune are the past and isn't exciting anymore.

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker said,

Performance wise, the Music app on Windows 8 is FAR better than that bloated Zune app. I had nightmare with that app. My CPU wouldn't stop blowing out hot air when using it.

Secondly, Xbox music will provide FREE music streaming; Zune requires you to pay.

Finally, MS won't be updating the Zune app with new features. MS cares about the future not the past. Windows 7 and Zune are the past and isn't exciting anymore.


I still use Zune every day

XB streaming will also have ads, just like Pandora.

Deranged said,

The Xbox Music app is a WinRT app.

Can't really use those on Win7.

It was announced some time ago that Xbox Music was just a rebranding of Zune though. But now parts of Zune still exist? It's unnecessary.

Panda X said,

It was announced some time ago that Xbox Music was just a rebranding of Zune though. But now parts of Zune still exist? It's unnecessary.

Don't get confused with the name or branding.... People have done this so many times already by only thinking Zune was a physical device, or a specific software client or a specific service.

As for them 'keeping' the name... It is more like they are NOT offering new client software for Windows 7 at the moment, but that could change as they have 'hinted' when talking about the new 'client' software they are building for Windows 8.

People are also confusing the XBox Music App on Windows 8 with the Windows Phone App, which may become one, but currently the Windows 8 XBox Music App does not have any functionality for Windows Phone 7 or 8, requiring users to still use the Zune Client software.

If they shove out an update to the Zune software for Windows 7 with just the naming changed, would that make you and other feel better? Because beyond the name, it is really kind of silly.

Isn't there something missing? What are WP7 users going to use as client on Windows 8?

Also months have passed and there are still no news if WP7 MMS, contacts and other settings will be easily exportable to WP8 phones?

francescob said,
Also months have passed and there are still no news if WP7 MMS, contacts and other settings will be easily exportable to WP8 phones?

Im still hoping the backup function will come with 7.8... Thats my hopes anyway,

However contacts are all stored on the cloud so why would u need to back them up at all

francescob said,
Isn't there something missing? What are WP7 users going to use as client on Windows 8?

Also months have passed and there are still no news if WP7 MMS, contacts and other settings will be easily exportable to WP8 phones?

I'd have said there is more to this with the 7.8 update, the thing is they cant just update the Zune app on the phone without an OS update (hence 7.8). As Brent said though contacts are cloud based anyway, so its only sms, mms that wont follow (unless 7..8 brings the backup function).

brent3000 said,
However contacts are all stored on the cloud so why would u need to back them up at all

Why wouldn't I want a backup of my contacts? Just because it's on the cloud it doesn't mean it's as safe as a regular backup: what if I accidentally screw up some contact details? The Nokia Suite keeps all the changes and also can do daily or weekly backups of all the data and it's very easy to restore, the iphone too does a backup every time you connect it. Also what if the details are not copied properly between different services? I still can't see my custom contact photos on Windows Live Mail 2012 or Outlook.com and when I did a reset on my Windows Phone I had to reinsert all of them.

francescob said,
Isn't there something missing? What are WP7 users going to use as client on Windows 8?

With Zune maybe. We'll see

francescob said,

Why wouldn't I want a backup of my contacts? Just because it's on the cloud it doesn't mean it's as safe as a regular backup: what if I accidentally screw up some contact details? The Nokia Suite keeps all the changes and also can do daily or weekly backups of all the data and it's very easy to restore, the iphone too does a backup every time you connect it. Also what if the details are not copied properly between different services? I still can't see my custom contact photos on Windows Live Mail 2012 or Outlook.com and when I did a reset on my Windows Phone I had to reinsert all of them.

If you can't see the contact photos, you have end user issues.

As for backing up your contacts... Go to http://www.live.com or http://www.hotmail.com or http://www.outlook.com

Click on Contacts - Click on Manage - Click Export

This is will allow you to save a .csv backup of your contacts in full.

As for the pictures, I don't know what to tell you. WP7 and Live and Hotmail and Outlook all pull the pictures from the Windows Hotmail/Live/Account contact profile, and if there is no picture then it will look for the user on facebook to obtain the user photo.

Having dedicated software to backup contacts from the cloud is nice, but unnecessary and something that passport/liveid/microsoftaccount/hotmail users have been able to do for about 10 years.

Think of your Microsoft Account (LiveID/Passport) as the 'hub' that syncs and links and holds a copy of your contacts. Once you move to this metaphor of thinking, it is far easier to manage the contacts and understand what Windows Live Mail and Outlook as well as WP7 and the Web site is doing with your contacts and how they are seamlessly integrated and shared across platforms and clients.

thenetavenger said,
If you can't see the contact photos, you have end user issues.

It's a problem that has been widely reported also two phones and four different email clients can't have coincidentally all the same issue, it's clearly some weird design flaw.

thenetavenger said,

As for backing up your contacts... Go to http://www.live.com or http://www.hotmail.com or http://www.outlook.com

Click on Contacts - Click on Manage - Click Export

This is will allow you to save a .csv backup of your contacts in full.


I already do that from the mail client but it's not automatic, it's pretty messy to restore and if I try I'd lose again the photos.

thenetavenger said,

As for the pictures, I don't know what to tell you. WP7 and Live and Hotmail and Outlook all pull the pictures from the Windows Hotmail/Live/Account contact profile, and if there is no picture then it will look for the user on facebook to obtain the user photo.

Every photo shared between the mail clients works except on WP7 that doesn't show the photos set on the clients and also doesn't sync its photos with the clients. It's been like that since the launch from two years ago and I haven't see any WP7 phone without that issue, not just mines.

thenetavenger said,

Having dedicated software to backup contacts from the cloud is nice, but unnecessary and something that passport/liveid/microsoftaccount/hotmail users have been able to do for about 10 years.

Think of your Microsoft Account (LiveID/Passport) as the 'hub' that syncs and links and holds a copy of your contacts. Once you move to this metaphor of thinking, it is far easier to manage the contacts and understand what Windows Live Mail and Outlook as well as WP7 and the Web site is doing with your contacts and how they are seamlessly integrated and shared across platforms and clients.


Having contacts on cloud means that every change you do propagates to all devices so does any mistake when editing the contacts or deleting them so I'd rather have a regular backup like other phones' than just hoping I will never need any contact deleted months ago or that I don't edit any number wrong.

BTW Connecting a WP7 phone on Windows 8 installs Zune

francescob said,

snip

Depending on your mail client there may be ways to auto backup ur contacts or use 3rd party apps to store the files elsewhere for you, the thing is tho how many backups do you need

I don't use Hotmail to sync my contacts (Using Exchange currently) so I cant comment much on the photo side if it but I know backing up my contacts via a contact card saves the images etc and syncs it with my WP no issue.

As I don't store my contacts directly on Hotmail I cant really give too much support or feedback there sorry

What client are you actually using? Is it Outlook or Live Mail?

With regards to your errors propagating, its one of the problems isn't it,... You make a change in one location it will effect all the locations, isn't that the goal of cloud backup? I guess its one of its required problems, just need to make sure what you update is correct. Personally I have never had too much of an issue with updating the wrong info but its bound to happen one day >_<

What other phone have backups of contacts tho? Google uses Gmail and Apple uses iCloud?

brent3000 said,

Depending on your mail client there may be ways to auto backup ur contacts or use 3rd party apps to store the files elsewhere for you, the thing is tho how many backups do you need

I never said it was impossible I only say that it's nowhere as easy as with other phones, you can do a backup from all the clients and the website (still haven't tried Win8 mail though) but in case you need to restore it's going to be pretty messy.

brent3000 said,

I don't use Hotmail to sync my contacts (Using Exchange currently) so I cant comment much on the photo side if it but I know backing up my contacts via a contact card saves the images etc and syncs it with my WP no issue.

As I don't store my contacts directly on Hotmail I cant really give too much support or feedback there sorry


Maybe with exchange sync it doesn't happen but unfortunately I can't move all the phone contacts from one account to the other.

brent3000 said,

What client are you actually using? Is it Outlook or Live Mail?

It happens on all clients that can sync with the windows live/hotmail account (Live Mail, Outlook with the connector and Win8 Mail)

brent3000 said,

With regards to your errors propagating, its one of the problems isn't it,... You make a change in one location it will effect all the locations, isn't that the goal of cloud backup? I guess its one of its required problems, just need to make sure what you update is correct. Personally I have never had too much of an issue with updating the wrong info but its bound to happen one day >_<

Yes that's the goal but also one huge drawback since you only have 1 copy between all devices, you just have to hope nothing bad happens to it.

brent3000 said,

What other phone have backups of contacts tho? Google uses Gmail and Apple uses iCloud?

On other phones you can have local contacts (that also don't mix up with all the ones you may use on your mail client) that can be easily synced or copied but on WP7 you have no choice: once you log-in it all goes in the cloud.