Windows 8 Consumer Preview to be build 8250?

If you have been around Neowin long enough, we are talking years, you will know that a build number is something many people track. As the for the upcoming Consumer Preview, Win8China is stating that the build for that product will be 8250.

Why is this important? For one reason it can give us a benchmark as to how close the latest leaks are to the build that will eventually land on our own machines on February 29 and for those keeping score, it looks like Windows 8 is currently at build 8227 which means there are still several iterations to go before we see the actual build that will land on the 29th.

The good news is that early reports from those with 8225 in their hands have been generally positive with reports of minimal crashes or bugs. If this holds true, the Consumer Preview should be quite the treat when it finally lands and count us all excited as the new UI will give power users a lot to dig through.

Of course, some of you will be up in arms about speculating about a build number, but know that having a milestone of 8250 gives us a target of when the build will actually be signed off and ready for mass consumption.

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Billy Gun said,
I want Windows Media Center on It!

Some leaked screens have shown it but it's the same app and not updated. I want an updated version honestly. I'll take this one though...

laserfloyd said,

Some leaked screens have shown it but it's the same app and not updated. I want an updated version honestly. I'll take this one though...

Me too, I want an improved version

Billy Gun said,
Me too, I want an improved version

Based on the extremely low usage statistics posted on the build windows forum, I'd wager they won't do much of anything to it.

Would be nice to have Kinect enabled extender for the 360.

This is why people who use these features need to join customer improvement program and turn on feedback.

Then maybe MS would see that there are some of us that live in Mediacenter.

I think with the ease of WinRT for media, there will be less and less reliance on mediacenter as Metro players will come out by the handful.

I only hope that some of my favorite mediacenter add-on developers decide to port to Metro..... I'm thinking specifically about Mediabrowser.....

My understanding is that the beta build was voted on from a few builds last week. The build that is picked usually gets renamed for the beta release, i.e. 8197 gets named 8200 ( I am just using these numbers as an example). Any builds being created now are for the development of the RC. I don't have any inside info or anything like that but that is how they have done things with previous OS development.

Exactly has posted above. We can't predict when it'll be as Microsoft jump builds. I mean for the 7 RTM, they went from 72xx to 7600.

FaiKee said,
RTM build number must be multiple of 16 AND 100 - MS numerology policy.

Why not just say a multiple of 400?
Anyway, in that case I guess it will be 8800 or 8400..

Microsoft has been known to artificially inflate the build number so that a milestone will land on a clean even number. If the consumer preview is to be build 8250, that doesn't necessarily mean we will see every build number in between 8227 and 8250 by then. 8250 could be built tomorrow.

Aaron44126 said,
Microsoft has been known to artificially inflate the build number so that a milestone will land on a clean even number. If the consumer preview is to be build 8250, that doesn't necessarily mean we will see every build number in between 8227 and 8250 by then. 8250 could be built tomorrow.

That's what I was just going to say. They do like doing that it seems.

Panda X said,
Generally they compile 1 build a day on weekdays, so the 29th would land on 8240. Seems possible.

They like to jump or often freeze at some build numbers as well. I think it's possible for sure but going by the days doesn't mean much. they could have 8250 out tomorrow if they felt like it.

Brad, you've got a spelling mistake in last line "singed"(??)

btw, a MS China employee had claimed earlier(actually last Dec.) that MS expects the final beta sign-off in mid-Feb., if it's true, we should be able to learn about this news sometime next week, then sit back and wait for WCP, hopefully for a early eak.(LOL).

FaiKee said,
Brad, you've got a spelling mistake in last line "singed"(??)

btw, a MS China employee had claimed earlier(actually last Dec.) that MS expects the final beta sign-off in mid-Feb., if it's true, we should be able to learn about this news sometime next week, then sit back and wait for WCP, hopefully for a early eak.(LOL).


early leak...not eak

The more I think about it... I'm actually really expecting the start button to reappear in build 8250 (or whatever build the final Consumer Preview is). Let me explain why...

To my understanding Windows, in various builds, remove and add features all the time; the Start Button is probably not exempt from this. With the addition of Metro the necessity for the start button to remain during development become less, considering most if not all of its functionality is still readily accessible. Perhaps Microsoft have taken this opportunity to do a secret overhaul of an iconic feature. I'd actually speculate the removal is perhaps a good sign of an overhaul. If it was going to disappear for certain we would have probably seen its removal before now or had word from Microsoft. The little button (along with the startup logo, log-in screen, default wallpaper) have become iconic features in each new release of Windows.

On a side note the removal in 8225 has created waves of news around the tech world. To date Microsoft have been very quite, meaning the world continues to talk and speculate about Windows 8. If they are planning of having a new start menu then the whole thing has been free marketing for Microsoft. Even if it stays it is highly unlikely to come back in the same form we are used to, after all I think each new revision of Windows has came with some Start Menu revisions - if this is the case it has to be revised at some point. Like I said maybe Microsoft just did it behind closed doors.

At the moment the world will continue to talk, and will do so till the end of February and beyond. Keeping such a feature hush means if (when?) it is re-added in a new state, it will be big news... and if it's a significant change I wouldn't expect anything less than a full editorial from Neowin (like I believe they have done previously?).

Edited by lt8480, Feb 10 2012, 3:51am :

lt8480 said,
The more I think about it... I'm actually really expecting the start button to reappear in build 8250 (or whatever build the final Consumer Preview is). Let me explain why...

To my understanding Windows, in various builds, remove and add features all the time; the Start Button is probably not exempt from this. With the addition of Metro the necessity for the start button to remain during development become less, considering most if not all of its functionality is still readily accessible. Perhaps Microsoft have taken this opportunity to do a secret overhaul of an iconic feature. I'd actually speculate the removal is perhaps a good sign of an overhaul. If it was going to disappear for certain we would have probably seen its removal before now or had word from Microsoft. The little button (along with the startup logo, log-in screen, default wallpaper) have become iconic features in each new release of Windows.

On a side note the removal in 8225 has created waves of news around the tech world. To date Microsoft have been very quite, meaning the world continues to talk and speculate about Windows 8. If they are planning of having a new start menu then the whole thing has been free marketing for Microsoft. Even if it stays it is highly unlikely to come back in the same form we are used to, after all I think each new revision of Windows has came with some Start Menu revisions - if this is the case it has to be revised at some point. Like I said maybe Microsoft just did it behind closed doors.

At the moment the world will continue to talk, and will do so till the end of February and beyond. Keeping such a feature hush means if (when?) it is re-added in a new state, it will be big news... and if it's a significant change I wouldn't expect anything less than a full editorial from Neowin (like I believe they have done previously?).

Microsoft hasn't been as quiet as you think. The start menu as we know it is dead. They are replacing it with the start screen. Many people, myself included, despised the idea of an entire screen in place of the tiny start menu. However, after reading the posts on the Building Windows 8 blog, it seems that they put a lot of thought into the switch. It's going to be jarring for people who are familiar with the start menu, but in the end I think it is a step forward.

WisdomWolf said,

Microsoft hasn't been as quiet as you think. The start menu as we know it is dead. They are replacing it with the start screen. Many people, myself included, despised the idea of an entire screen in place of the tiny start menu. However, after reading the posts on the Building Windows 8 blog, it seems that they put a lot of thought into the switch. It's going to be jarring for people who are familiar with the start menu, but in the end I think it is a step forward.

Could you link the Microsoft 8 blogs, it would be interesting reading to see official comments over it. Everything I've read is unofficial and just citing leaked builds

WisdomWolf said,

Microsoft hasn't been as quiet as you think. The start menu as we know it is dead. They are replacing it with the start screen. Many people, myself included, despised the idea of an entire screen in place of the tiny start menu. However, after reading the posts on the Building Windows 8 blog, it seems that they put a lot of thought into the switch. It's going to be jarring for people who are familiar with the start menu, but in the end I think it is a step forward.

I agree. I'm a little concerned about the Start Menu being removed, but I am going to give it a try and see if (Once used to it) it is as productive (Or maybe moreso) than the traditional start menu. Time will tell.

lt8480 said,
The more I think about it... I'm actually really expecting the start button to reappear

As someone who has used the developer preview and thrown a couple of metro samples from build together, I can honestly say that clicking the start button in its familiar location and getting unfamiliar functionality is quite jarring.

The removal is intentional in order to highlight when you start, you're starting Metro, not some old explorer.exe menu system.

Remember Metro is an application platform unto itself more than the historic start menu could ever hope to become.

lt8480 said,
The more I think about it... I'm actually really expecting the start button to reappear in build 8250 (or whatever build the final Consumer Preview is). Let me explain why...

To my understanding Windows, in various builds, remove and add features all the time; the Start Button is probably not exempt from this. With the addition of Metro the necessity for the start button to remain during development become less, considering most if not all of its functionality is still readily accessible. Perhaps Microsoft have taken this opportunity to do a secret overhaul of an iconic feature. I'd actually speculate the removal is perhaps a good sign of an overhaul. If it was going to disappear for certain we would have probably seen its removal before now or had word from Microsoft. The little button (along with the startup logo, log-in screen, default wallpaper) have become iconic features in each new release of Windows.

On a side note the removal in 8225 has created waves of news around the tech world. To date Microsoft have been very quite, meaning the world continues to talk and speculate about Windows 8. If they are planning of having a new start menu then the whole thing has been free marketing for Microsoft. Even if it stays it is highly unlikely to come back in the same form we are used to, after all I think each new revision of Windows has came with some Start Menu revisions - if this is the case it has to be revised at some point. Like I said maybe Microsoft just did it behind closed doors.

At the moment the world will continue to talk, and will do so till the end of February and beyond. Keeping such a feature hush means if (when?) it is re-added in a new state, it will be big news... and if it's a significant change I wouldn't expect anything less than a full editorial from Neowin (like I believe they have done previously?).

The start button is coming back in a different way.
For a device to be Win8 certified it needs a physical Windows button
Older devices like our laptops and desktops can use the windows key on the keyboard for exactly the same effect

I thought the build was already signed off? MS has typically let builds sit for a while before they actually release them.

xiphi said,
I thought the build was already signed off? MS has typically let builds sit for a while before they actually release them.

I thought so too. Surely they need a few weeks to do some thorough testing of the chosen build before they release it out to the public in 3 weeks time?

xiphi said,
I thought the build was already signed off? MS has typically let builds sit for a while before they actually release them.

They have been doing inside beta testing to determine which one will be best to put out to the public. That any if Microsoft let it 'sit for awhile' would encourage someone to release it before it was due out. Also, Microsoft in the past have fiddled with build numbers, So if build 8221 was the beta to be released Microsoft could pump the build to 8250 without any changes to the actual code. Microsoft haven't magically decided that if it gets to build 8250 (from daily builds) that it'll be the beta regardless.

It will be very interesting to see what is shown at the Consumer Preview that focuses on laptop and desktop users. Or, will it just confirm that Windows-8 is primarily for tablets and smartphones?

TsarNikky said,
It will be very interesting to see what is shown at the Consumer Preview that focuses on laptop and desktop users. Or, will it just confirm that Windows-8 is primarily for tablets and smartphones?

a lot has already been shown by ms in videos regarding using the metro start screen with mouse and keyboard, it works very well from what I've seen, not to mention the plethora of new features:

Login with live id
Sync with SkyDrive
Central contacts (just like how WP pulls contacts from live/google/exchange/facebook etc)
Native exchange support in mail app
Explorer copy enhacements
task manager
Marketplace
New metro apps
Better restore features
File system

The lust is longer but in just going off memory.

TsarNikky said,
It will be very interesting to see what is shown at the Consumer Preview that focuses on laptop and desktop users. Or, will it just confirm that Windows-8 is primarily for tablets and smartphones?

Why do people keep repeating this fud. The new UI works just as well with a keyboard/mouse than it does with touch, it's just different to what people are used to.

TCLN Ryster said,

Why do people keep repeating this fud. The new UI works just as well with a keyboard/mouse than it does with touch, it's just different to what people are used to.

Agreed. And at the very least give it a try and see what the OS is all about before making some insightful critique that it's "just for tablets" or "dead in the water"... It's silly.

TsarNikky said,
It will be very interesting to see what is shown at the Consumer Preview that focuses on laptop and desktop users. Or, will it just confirm that Windows-8 is primarily for tablets and smartphones?

I think top of the list of features is that it's FAST. It loads faster and runs faster than Win7. So even if the UI slows you down initially, the speed of the OS makes up for it. Oh and once you get used to the UI you don't even think twice about it. Stealing from Apple here but "It just works™"

duddit2 said,
....The lust is longer but in just going off memory.

Filesystem is server only at lauch.

Superbar for each monitor with pin capability so apps launch on the monitor they're pinned to.

that's gonna be HUGE for those who insist on staying out of Metro.

Improved remote desktop features!