Windows 8 History Vault

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As with any major product that leaks, all the secrets and features begin to surface on the Internet. Earlier today, Windows 8 build 7955 leaked onto a private FTP server and is expected to popup around public torrent sites later on.

As the leak lands in the hands of more users with access to the build, more screenshots surface of features. This time, the "History Vault" appeared on winrumors.com. The screenshot reveals that Microsoft is working on a backup and restore feature, similar to Time Machine for Mac OS X.

History Vault will manage all your saved files through a timeline (found on the bottom), so users can restore edited or deleted items. Although the interface and functionality will likely change over the coming months, the base idea that Windows users will soon be able to restore individual items, rather than an entire restore point, saves everyone a massive headache.

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Can we manage the winsxs folder yet? I know drive space shouldn't be an issue these days but for SSD users free space is vital.

SK[ said,]Can we manage the winsxs folder yet? I know drive space shouldn't be an issue these days but for SSD users free space is vital.

If you can't put your OS and even some major apps on a 64GB SSD that's probably the lower end by the time Windows 8 is released, then you seriously need to do something about your organization skills.

SK[ said,]Can we manage the winsxs folder yet? I know drive space shouldn't be an issue these days but for SSD users free space is vital.

it doesnt take up as much space as the properties tell you it does. Stop whining about it, those are mainly links.

Lol, I still love the way that when changing locales, some info is translated into Dutch, and some keeps to be in English. I know this is still work in progress, but even in Win7 this happends.

However, looking forward to see this in action

Why are some parts of the screenshot already in Dutch? Great to see how all the teams (design, programming and translating) are all working together so fast

VdG said,
Why are some parts of the screenshot already in Dutch? Great to see how all the teams (design, programming and translating) are all working together so fast

Because they are localized dates and the PROPER way to localize applications is to use the functions that return everything in the correct format for that locale.

bob_c_b said,
So take Time Machine from OS X and put an awful interface on it, very innovative.
Erm, Windows has a history vault since XP (or vista, can't quite remember), it's just now they're exposing it with a fancy GUI. Get your history right, it's Apple that copied Microsoft here - just with a flashier UI and marketing.

RealFduch said,

Trolls aren't welcome here

That would only be relevant is I was trolling. Yes, Volume Shadow Copy and System Restore have been around for years and years, but History Vault is a sad copy of Time Machine and calling it that doesn't make me a troll.

bob_c_b said,

That would only be relevant is I was trolling. Yes, Volume Shadow Copy and System Restore have been around for years and years, but History Vault is a sad copy of Time Machine and calling it that doesn't make me a troll.

oh, so Apple never copied anything. I see.

bob_c_b said,

That would only be relevant is I was trolling. Yes, Volume Shadow Copy and System Restore have been around for years and years, but History Vault is a sad copy of Time Machine and calling it that doesn't make me a troll.

Calling it a "sad" copy at this point in time makes you most definitely a troll. And how could any interface be more awful than that of Time Machine?

bob_c_b said,

That would only be relevant is I was trolling. Yes, Volume Shadow Copy and System Restore have been around for years and years, but History Vault is a sad copy of Time Machine and calling it that doesn't make me a troll.


Why does everyone think its called Shadow Copy? Geesh i thought this was a windows based tech savvy site.

Insig said,
I honestly hope this indeed gets revamped over the coming months..

No, they're going to keep it exactly as it is now, and release it to world in its current state.

TCLN Ryster said,

No, they're going to keep it exactly as it is now, and release it to world in its current state.

Are you kidding me dude? This isn't even in alpha, these are just random mock-ups from people working with Windows 8 source codes. There's no way it's going to look the same, everyone has different folders that will be in their history. Why would they include these folders?

no-sweat said,

Are you kidding me dude? This isn't even in alpha, these are just random mock-ups from people working with Windows 8 source codes. There's no way it's going to look the same, everyone has different folders that will be in their history. Why would they include these folders?


Go-go-gadget sarcasm detector?

no-sweat said,

Are you kidding me dude? This isn't even in alpha, these are just random mock-ups from people working with Windows 8 source codes. There's no way it's going to look the same, everyone has different folders that will be in their history. Why would they include these folders?

Erm...?

In before the copying and the "you can do this already with Previous Versions!" comments...

But besides that, I like how they're placing this feature front and center instead of hiding it in a folder's property page.

Denis W said,
In before the copying and the "you can do this already with Previous Versions!" comments...

But besides that, I like how they're placing this feature front and center instead of hiding it in a folder's property page.


But...you can. Didn't Time Machine come after this?

This is just putting a fancy UI on something that I never used because it never had a fancy UI.

randomevent said,

But...you can. Didn't Time Machine come after this?

This is just putting a fancy UI on something that I never used because it never had a fancy UI.


Time Machine and Shadow Copy are two very different things though they overlap in some functionality. It's tired argument that I've tried clarifying countless times in the past.

giga said,

Time Machine and Shadow Copy are two very different things though they overlap in some functionality. It's tired argument that I've tried clarifying countless times in the past.

I don't know how different they are under the hood, but from a usage perspective they seem pretty similar. Mess up a file, use the feature to revert to a previous version of that file.

geoken said,

I don't know how different they are under the hood, but from a usage perspective they seem pretty similar. Mess up a file, use the feature to revert to a previous version of that file.


Shadow Copy only restores to System Restore Points. So Shadow Copy is in essence merely a selective System Restore. If you don't want System Restore Points on your hard drive, you can't use this feature. If you haven't remembered to create a restore point recently and want to go back to something recent, you can't do that with Shadow Copy.

Time Machine doesn't rely on restore points, but backups. Time Machine in its default configuration tries to do backups much more frequently than Shadow Copy. Backups can also reside on backup disks. So space isn't necessarily consumed on your hard drive you work on.

Finally -- a backup is also usable in an entirely different way than a system restore point. You can't restore a OS in its entirety from a system restore point (these only take care of lighter damage), but you can from a backup.

Time Machine uses incremental backups, so, say, 30 versions of your profile from different dates can be stored on a 500 GB drive despite each profile using 200 GB.

I personally prefer the Time Machine over the Previous Versions approach.

Edited by Northgrove, Apr 26 2011, 10:50am :

giga said,

Time Machine and Shadow Copy are two very different things though they overlap in some functionality. It's tired argument that I've tried clarifying countless times in the past.

Ya, me as well, except Shadow Copy is NOT the same and DOES NOT overlapp with Time Machine in anyway.

Time Machine uses an external backup only.

Previous Versions, which uses the 'shadow copy' features of NTFS, presents a timeline of file versions both on the hard drive and on backups. Even if you ignore the 'extra features' of the 'shadow copy' that shows versions on the hard drive, which Time Machine CANNOT do, the backups listed in previous versions are IDENTICAL to what Time Machine provides.

Windows just doesn't backup the file 'versions' as frequently, as it DOESN'T have to, because it does have access to file versions on the volume.

PS Just the fact that call it 'Shadow Copy' on Windows shows you have NO understanding of the features at all. Technically, NTFS has 'copy on write', a very old concept in FS technology, that 'Shadow Copies' uses, but has NOTHING to do with. Shadow copies are technically a feature of the OS to create a 'side' version of a file, so that it can be backuped up or accessed even if the file is open or locked.

Geesh...

Northgrove said,

Shadow Copy only restores to System Restore Points. So Shadow Copy is in essence merely a selective System Restore. If you don't want System Restore Points on your hard drive, you can't use this feature. If you haven't remembered to create a restore point recently and want to go back to something recent, you can't do that with Shadow Copy.

Time Machine doesn't rely on restore points, but backups. Time Machine in its default configuration tries to do backups much more frequently than Shadow Copy. Backups can also reside on backup disks. So space isn't necessarily consumed on your hard drive you work on.

Finally -- a backup is also usable in an entirely different way than a system restore point. You can't restore a OS in its entirety from a system restore point (these only take care of lighter damage), but you can from a backup.

Time Machine uses incremental backups, so, say, 30 versions of your profile from different dates can be stored on a 500 GB drive despite each profile using 200 GB.

I personally prefer the Time Machine over the Previous Versions approach.

1) Technically this is NOT what Shadow copies are.
2) True that 'restore points' are when file versions are created, but they can be scheduled at any time, and fired off as often as a user wants.
3) The feature you are truly talking about is 'Previous Versions', and IT DOES use backups, in addition to 'copy on write' restore point saves of file versions.

Because of #3, which you don't realize even exists, the user can set their backup to fire just as frequently as Time Machine, and it will show all the 'backed-up' files in the Previous Versions timeline, with versions going back for months or until the 'backup drive/location' starts erasing older versions.

So it DOES work EXACTLY like Time Machine with regard to 'backups', it is up to the user to select how often these backups occur.

It also adds additional features by offering 'restore point' version on the Hard Drive WITHOUT a backup, again which can be set to fire as frequently as a user would like. (And with this feature, Windows users don't have to carry a backup with them to have access to a timeline of their file versions.)

Shadow Copy is a technology that uses NTFS 'copy on write' to create a side copy of a file so that if it is open, locked, or being modified can be backed up or stored, and IS NOT THE FEATURE that Time Machine. The only time Shadow Copy is even used in the 'Previous Versions' process is if the file is open,locked and Windows needs to create a copy to put on the backup or in the 'restore point'

Windows also only stores 'bit' changes to the files, so the entire file version is not stored, and this is true of both 'Restore Point' on hard drive versions and backed up versions.

People that even use the term 'Shadow Copy' are basically screaming, "I heard this term once, and don't know what it means, but I am going to use it because I think it is what people are talking about." Guess what, it is NOT what people are talking about.

Jenson said,

What else would you put on it, soup?

Comment of the day! :-)

I believe _dandy_ was suggesting that you'd typically put your OS and apps on an SSD as small as that, then your "data" (documents, photos, etc) on a larger, slower drive.

Lenard Bartha said,
That was the best comment I read in days....

Then obviously you don't read a lot if you consider a lame comment like that the best you've read in days.

King Mustard said,
My 64 GB SSD wouldn't like this feature

Funny, Vista and Win7 already have this feature built in, under a different name, and it seems to work just fine on people's 32gb and 40gb hard drives.

Go look up 'previous versions' you already have this feature, it just doesn't have the new UI or fancy marketing, but works the same way, and existed long before Apple's Time Machine, and does everything Time Machine does, including on Volume and Backup timeline views of your file versions.

iKenndac said,

Comment of the day! :-)

I believe _dandy_ was suggesting that you'd typically put your OS and apps on an SSD as small as that, then your "data" (documents, photos, etc) on a larger, slower drive.

This guy gets it.

sbdb said,

Then obviously you don't read a lot if you consider a lame comment like that the best you've read in days.

All depends, lately I read a lot more bickering and fighting then funny comments...