Windows 8 MetroUI OOBE shown off on video [Update]

With the recent leak of Windows 8 build 7955, we expect more information about Microsoft's upcoming operating system to surface. That trend continues today as we were tipped by @alexerax (who said more updates in the near future) about a new video that shows the out of box experience for the Metro UI. The video shows the basic setup of a wireless network and a little bit more.

The video, shown below, comes from the recently leaked build 7955 and provides a glimpse at Microsoft's new Metro UI. Microsoft is incorporating this design language across many of its products and the video shows an early look at the new interface.

Windows 8 is far off from public availability and it is rumored that a public beta may be announced at PDC later this year. It is expected that Microsoft will launch Windows 8 in late 2012 with the latest rumors suggesting that retail availability will happen in early 2013.

Thanks for the tip Xerax

[Update] It appears that Microsoft has gotten to the video as it has now been pulled from YouTube.

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Microsoft is going out of it's way to kill all references to windows classic ui. If you put a key in HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ClassicBackDoor with a dword Enabled = 1 you can turn themes and dwm off. However you are stuck with classic with the aero colors and metrics. There is no easy way to change it. Infact I tried the old themes.exe from windows 2000 to restore the windows 2000 color scheme and metrics. It worked but upon logoff and log back on windows changes the color scheme to a pukeified green and yellow color scheme. I did manage to get it to windows 2000 color scheme and metrics by opening the ntuser.dat registry hive and overwriting the concerned parts of the registry with pieces from windows 7. Now i have nondwm nonthemed windows classic with win2k color scheme. But that is ridiculous. The fact that it involves a registry key does not allow access to the windows classic color and metrics control panel and takes themes.exe from WINDOWS 2000 into account with it's changing of the color scheme to the most horrible combination on green and yellow you ever did see tells me Microsoft is actively trying to prevent us from using it. Trying to pretend it isn't there just like they tried to pretend DOS was not what Windows ME was running on by removing entry points to real dos mode.

You can claim pre-alpha pre-beta milestone-over9000 all you want but ... here is the facts.

The video is showing an unfinished version, using the beta wallpaper, and some mixed Aero and Metro control styles.

darkfanar said,
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Microsoft Corporation.
Sorry about that.


Yeah I didn't get to see the video too.. oh well

Still not a huge fan of the Ribbon for Windows Explorer. It's really useful for more complex applications (Office, WLE, Paint, WordPad, etc.), but not for a file explorer.

lordcanti86 said,
Still not a huge fan of the Ribbon for Windows Explorer. It's really useful for more complex applications (Office, WLE, Paint, WordPad, etc.), but not for a file explorer.

+1. Although we'll have to wait and see what happens.

The ribbon on a big desktop screen isn't as bad as it is on a small laptop/tablet screen.

Luckily those are pre-alpha screenshots. So far I'm really hating Metro on the big screen. It looks like a total waste of space and a lack of design effort.

Haha, you guys complaining about the UI in pre-alpha screen shots... pathetic... this is Microsoft we're talking about. This UI is far from final... MS knows why it allows there "leaked" builds, just to see who will jump in first to start ranting of on it. It has nothing to do with if you like it, it has to do with usability. If MS had listen to some of you, we would never have the ribbon bar, thank God they didn't. I know some of you like the nine-tees look of the UI, but not all of us. bet you if Apple came with a different UI, no one would complain. There is a reason more than 1 Bilion people are using Windows, so I rather stick with those in the know, than some baby complaining about the UI change, like someone took away your candy. Don't get me wrong, feedback is OK, whether negative or positive, but at least build a case around your feedback, not just "it looks dumb; I don't like it; etc...etc..". Developers can only make great products from feedback they get from users. Now is the time to do that, because after the 3rd quarter of the year, the UI is more or less baked in already.

Metro is a horrible UI. There is no creativity or effort in it. Plain solid colors? Are you serious? It isn't 1995.

Wait I take that back, even Windows 95 had a few gradients.

hevidac said,
Metro is a horrible UI. There is no creativity or effort in it. Plain solid colors? Are you serious? It isn't 1995.

Wait I take that back, even Windows 95 had a few gradients.

Does the absence of super glossy icons and glass borders really kill you that much? Aero looks fine, Metro is a great departure from it.

With all the excitement on updated Aero, Ribbon and of course Metro, everyone seems to have missed something. Windows 8 at least as of the current leaked build 7955 has no way of disabling DWM completely. More importantly there is no way to fall back to Windows Classic (Windows Native UI aka Windows 2000 look). In fact during my exploits I have found that DWM is not even a proper service anymore but is loaded by Winlogon. Also the Themes service or atleast what has not been placed elsewhere as no affect on the OS except by greying out the selection of themes in the appearance control panel.

I know what you are all thinking, "Good", "It was ugly", etc. But actually for lower end systems or even for those who do not particularly like aero it was a good option. Highly customizable with fonts and colors and I know it is there deep down. I am not particularly agenist not having it I am just agenist not having the choice. If there is a good reason not to have it then so be it but if it is a purely marketing and branding thing.. Then I think it's entry points should be brought back.

-Matt A. Tobin of Binary Outcast

Matt A. Tobin said,
With all the excitement on updated Aero, Ribbon and of course Metro, everyone seems to have missed something. Windows 8 at least as of the current leaked build 7955 has no way of disabling DWM completely. More importantly there is no way to fall back to Windows Classic (Windows Native UI aka Windows 2000 look). In fact during my exploits I have found that DWM is not even a proper service anymore but is loaded by Winlogon. Also the Themes service or atleast what has not been placed elsewhere as no affect on the OS except by greying out the selection of themes in the appearance control panel.

I know what you are all thinking, "Good", "It was ugly", etc. But actually for lower end systems or even for those who do not particularly like aero it was a good option. Highly customizable with fonts and colors and I know it is there deep down. I am not particularly agenist not having it I am just agenist not having the choice. If there is a good reason not to have it then so be it but if it is a purely marketing and branding thing.. Then I think it's entry points should be brought back.

-Matt A. Tobin of Binary Outcast

While there are reasons for having Classic mode, computational power should not be among them, unless you are shoehorning this OS on to hardware that it was not made for, with no GPU.

That being said, the other aspects of Classic mode that do things like help the vision impaired, which are very useful, I doubt will be left out entirely. MS might (I hope) be pushing for that kind of customization onto the low end metro theme, complete with a high contrast mode

I really do hope that MS kills off the GDI system

To people saying the UI looks bad: Once the beta hits, third party aero themes will show up almost instantly. Once themers can get their hands on the OS, they'll alter the gui to suit their needs and release them for use.

satukoro said,
To people saying the UI looks bad: Once the beta hits, third party aero themes will show up almost instantly. Once themers can get their hands on the OS, they'll alter the gui to suit their needs and release them for use.

There will be no need to change it, it will be perfect.

satukoro said,
To people saying the UI looks bad: Once the beta hits, third party aero themes will show up almost instantly. Once themers can get their hands on the OS, they'll alter the gui to suit their needs and release them for use.

Every third party theme I have seen looks childish / awful /an eye sore especially Stardock crap.
Wait til they get their hands on Windows 8 and ruin it beyond all recognition.

satukoro said,
To people saying the UI looks bad: Once the beta hits, third party aero themes will show up almost instantly. Once themers can get their hands on the OS, they'll alter the gui to suit their needs and release them for use.

Ideally it should look good for the majority. Even in this community you see a lot less people switch out stock Aero for some other custom VS in the desktops thread, compared to the XP days.

jason13524 said,

Every third party theme I have seen looks childish / awful /an eye sore especially Stardock crap.
Wait til they get their hands on Windows 8 and ruin it beyond all recognition.

+1 Eww.

There's very few themes (compared to the majority of tacky/ugly ones) that look better than stock Aero on Windows 7, and I'd hate to have to rely on them to improve the look of Windows 8. Having said that, I'm sure Microsoft will do a decent job with the UI.

jason13524 said,

Every third party theme I have seen looks childish / awful /an eye sore especially Stardock crap.
Wait til they get their hands on Windows 8 and ruin it beyond all recognition.

I agree wholeheartedly with some of this (ie: stardock), but themes like Clearscreen Sharp and Soft 1.8 feel more professional than most third party themes.

http://zainadeel.deviantart.co...ows7%2Fvisualstyle&qo=0
http://k-johnson.deviantart.co...ows7%2Fvisualstyle&qo=4
http://ap-graphik.deviantart.c...ows7%2Fvisualstyle&qo=3

Still, if folks want to get into a crappy-UI contest, take Unity (please; take it away!) - it looks worse than Metro (even with hardware acceleration). Likely the only hope Unity has would be if it were replaced with Wayland's UI (which does not look as awful as Unity's default UI). Metro is *different* (if you've never used Zune, Windows Phone, or any application or product that uses Metro) which is likely why there's a boatload of anguish. (Same applies to the Ribbon UI.)

As I've said before, some folks don't really want new - they simply want advanced *old*.

Just relax...its going to have features some of us don't like but you need to look at the OS as a whole. The ribbon UI has already been implemented with the ability to turn it off. Just drop it.

Metro UI is awesome, I've used the Zune software since 2006 and love using the Metro UI it also has roots in media center and Metro UI is the best UI MS have ever come up with.

I'm really happy to see it a core component of win8 and realistically hope every piece of Win8 uses the Metro UI.

swanlee said,
Metro UI is awesome, I've used the Zune software since 2006 and love using the Metro UI it also has roots in media center and Metro UI is the best UI MS have ever come up with.

I'm really happy to see it a core component of win8 and realistically hope every piece of Win8 uses the Metro UI.

Ribbon is pretty good too, but I concur, "Metro UI" is definitely the best.

Sraf said,
I wonder what Media Center will look like in the new UI

I hope we get subtitle suport (.srt), kinect suport (spetialy voice comand to make play, pause, record, choose tv channel, chose songs by voice comand would be a gift).

Only thing what keeps me with Win7 is Aero... This new Metro look is soo ugly as hell. It seems like me next OS will be Ubuntu, propably 12.04 LTS when will be Unity stable, mature with new icons

6205 said,
Only thing what keeps me with Win7 is Aero... This new Metro look is soo ugly as hell. It seems like me next OS will be Ubuntu, propably 12.04 LTS when will be Unity stable, mature with new icons

Good luck with that

6205 said,
Only thing what keeps me with Win7 is Aero... This new Metro look is soo ugly as hell. It seems like me next OS will be Ubuntu, propably 12.04 LTS when will be Unity stable, mature with new icons

That was my estimate version that will present a more appealing Unity UI; so far this versions don't deserve being called win8 they look more like a win7.2.1 maybe Microsoft should follow Apple trend with OSX.

Lastwebpage said,
sorry, ermm, someone knows the music from the movie?

Shazam says: Strength of the World by Avenged Sevenfold

how about a new feature that really worth?. Seems like there is nothing but a couple of "improvements" compared to 7. I know this is just a milestone but whats the point to post 'features' that are nothing. I think 2011 will be a long year with this, and 8 will be released on 2013...

Everyone moaning about the ribbon in explorer, keep in mind these are late M2 (not even M3 builds) and it can, and probably will, look different when we get to beta. The ribbon UI they have there now could be, and probably is, a placeholder for them to work out things. You have to get the stuff under the hood working right first and then you can iron out the UI.

I think any ribbon in explorer will look different when the time comes and heck, the ribbon UI might only come up when Win8 is used in tablet mode. Regardless of what people think the ribbon fits well with finger touch use.

Although that's just the betta fish wallpaper Microsoft is now using for the pre-release, I hope the official one is not as busy, since its hard to even see the buttons. I believe the ones shown ChristNT123 site looks gorgeous.

Mr. Dee said,
Although that's just the betta fish wallpaper Microsoft is now using for the pre-release, I hope the official one is not as busy, since its hard to even see the buttons. I believe the ones shown ChristNT123 site looks gorgeous.

I have high bets on a very faint gradient or ones that resemble the Zune software backgrounds.

Ugh. I know it's early, but I'm absolutely terrified we're going to be left with a horrible half-arsed mix of Metro, Aero, and classic visual styles when Win8 is finally released.

CalumCookable said,
Ugh. I know it's early, but I'm absolutely terrified we're going to be left with a horrible half-arsed mix of Metro, Aero, and classic visual styles when Win8 is finally released.

Exactly same toughs.

CalumCookable said,
Ugh. I know it's early, but I'm absolutely terrified we're going to be left with a horrible half-arsed mix of Metro, Aero, and classic visual styles when Win8 is finally released.

I wouldn't worry too much, MS usually does not put the full new UI on until the Beta stage

SubZenit said,

Exactly same toughs.

Yeah, those toughs are tough to get over.

No sane designer would design not-even-a-beta-yet software to look beautiful. Only people like me with OCD require that when I am developing the website (i am web developer) looks half decent. But this makes my production rate go down ~25% (I don't care, I have to do it this way).

SubZenit said,

Exactly same toughs.

I wouldn't worry, there just getting the features in there atm then they will polish them up.

CalumCookable said,
Ugh. I know it's early, but I'm absolutely terrified we're going to be left with a horrible half-arsed mix of Metro, Aero, and classic visual styles when Win8 is finally released.

Knowing Microsoft that's most likely exactly what you'll end up with. Even Windows 7 is littered with legacy icons, dialogue windows and other interface elements.

Singh400 said,
Any word on public CTPs/RCs like they did with Windows 7? Microsoft should really do that again.

They've done this with every version of Windows in recent history so I don't see why they wouldn't again.

dave164 said,
Yeah I'm not digging the ribbon, that needs to be an option, or improved significantly

Someone doesn't know what Ribbon is, because if you did you would know that it is optional from the get-go.

dave164 said,
Yeah I'm not digging the ribbon, that needs to be an option, or improved significantly

You do realise that the ribbon is not enabled by default (enabled by a registry hack) thus it is is still 'work in progress'. Come back and whine in beta 1 if it looks exactly like it does in the video.

Examinus said,
Metro looks bad.

the video sucks yes, but the Metro UI is not, if you have used a Zune or WP7 then you'll see what a full Metro UI can do !

badsey said,

the video sucks yes, but the Metro UI is not, if you have used a Zune or WP7 then you'll see what a full Metro UI can do !

I have, and they're bad.

Examinus said,

I have, and they're bad.

Cry about it and stick with windows 7. Because I have both, Zune software, etc., and I love them. In fact, as a web developer I model my designs on the idea of Metro UI, because it is a minimalistic and modern design.

K thx bai

LukeEmery said,

Cry about it and stick with windows 7. Because I have both, Zune software, etc., and I love them. In fact, as a web developer I model my designs on the idea of Metro UI, because it is a minimalistic and modern design.

K thx bai

Are you a web developer or a web designer?

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Then it is pretty obvious that things are going to change. Dear god, what is wrong with some people.

Why do you think that enters into it?

LukeEmery said,

In fact, as a web developer I model my designs on the idea of Metro UI, because it is a minimalistic and modern design.
K thx bai

+1 Same here with great feedback from users.

LukeEmery said,

Both brotha. Got into web development because I loved web design.

Then you'll know that Metro isn't a 'design': it's a design language, and in that it's very easy to have chaotic, clunky applications.

tsupersonic said,
Quit crying. I'm sure they'll have a 'classic' mode.

I'm always bemused by comments that complain about people having a discussion in a comments section.

Rodrigo said,

I feel the urge to slap some people in the face.

I hope that includes yourself. It's moronic to think that people come to this discussion without the knowledge that this isn't final and to presume the item in question is above criticism because of that.

Don't be stupid.

Examinus said,

Then you'll know that Metro isn't a 'design': it's a design language, and in that it's very easy to have chaotic, clunky applications.

Well aren't you a little Nazi. Of course I know that it is officially not a "design", derp. But that is how the rest of the world perceives that word, so I use it according to what the world thinks. It would be like saying "God", everyone thinks the Christian god, not Allah or Shiva.

The only way it becomes chaotic is if you are 1) bad at designing or 2) too much info on one page; which is another way to say bad at designing. With out without "Metro UI", there is a limit to how much information is on a page, "Metro UI" just has a lower tolerance, thats all.

LukeEmery said,

Well aren't you a little Nazi. Of course I know that it is officially not a "design", derp. But that is how the rest of the world perceives that word, so I use it according to what the world thinks. It would be like saying "God", everyone thinks the Christian god, not Allah or Shiva.

The only way it becomes chaotic is if you are 1) bad at designing or 2) too much info on one page; which is another way to say bad at designing. With out without "Metro UI", there is a limit to how much information is on a page, "Metro UI" just has a lower tolerance, thats all.

Really? A Nazi? At least try not to succumb to internet stereotypes. Other that than you don't really make a point. Metro has just as much potential to be bad, so saying you use it in your designs doesn't necessarily make them good and it certainly doesn't make the article in question any better; it doesn't matter how minimalistic or modern it appears.

Examinus said,

Really? A Nazi? At least try not to succumb to internet stereotypes. Other that than you don't really make a point. Metro has just as much potential to be bad, so saying you use it in your designs doesn't necessarily make them good and it certainly doesn't make the article in question any better; it doesn't matter how minimalistic or modern it appears.

It is called a meme. Grammar/Idea/ETC Nazi, someone who likes to recklessly destroy the hopes and dreams of millions of people (laughing inside). But in all seriousness, I honestly don't give a shiznit what you think about it. You are not a designer, no one hires you to be one, so why should I care? I have money in my pocket that whispers "Luke! Spend me" and these are from jobs. So run along will you, to a world where bevels and gradients exist in plenty, where you can enjoy your little pinstripes and web 2.0 buttons.

LukeEmery said,

It is called a meme. Grammar/Idea/ETC Nazi, someone who likes to recklessly destroy the hopes and dreams of millions of people (laughing inside). But in all seriousness, I honestly don't give a shiznit what you think about it. You are not a designer, no one hires you to be one, so why should I care? I have money in my pocket that whispers "Luke! Spend me" and these are from jobs. So run along will you, to a world where bevels and gradients exist in plenty, where you can enjoy your little pinstripes and web 2.0 buttons.

Just imagine how stupid you'd feel if I am a designer... Wouldn't that be just marvellous?

Edited by Examinus, Apr 26 2011, 9:06pm :

Examinus said,

I hope that includes yourself. It's moronic to think that people come to this discussion without the knowledge that this isn't final and to presume the item in question is above criticism because of that.

Don't be stupid.

http://goo.gl/l8X7d

Examinus said,

Just imagine how stupid you'd feel if I am a designer... Wouldn't that be just marvellous?

If you are, especially a professionally trained one, I feel bad for being proud of the industry I am a part of. Because when people like you are spit out of universities, it is sickening. I am tired of idea trolls and copycats, and that is what you are. Look at your image icon, a copy of Adobe logo. Is that seriously what you are? A copy, because that is stupid.

Go along and play with your pinstripes and glossy buttons, because I'll let you know thats trash and its done. No real designer would say "it doesn't matter how minimalistic or modern it appears." because that is all that matters. If your company is dated, you lose customers.

Grats, if your a designer you suck. If your not, you are still an idiot.

LukeEmery said,
Look at your image icon, a copy of Adobe logo. Is that seriously what you are? A copy, because that is stupid.

Grats, if your a designer you suck. If your not, you are still an idiot.

LukeEmery said,
as a web developer I model my designs on the idea of Metro UI, because it is a minimalistic and modern design

And it's "you're". I mean, come on.

Jenson said,
Damn that Ribbon looks ridiculous look at all the vertical space lost.

The ability to collapse the thing has been there since the ribbon first came about.

Jen Smith said,

The ability to collapse the thing has been there since the ribbon first came about.

Shouldnt be an option in the first place every OS since windows 1.0 has managed fine, dont dumb it down just for the eejits.

Jenson said,

Shouldnt be an option in the first place every OS since windows 1.0 has managed fine, dont dumb it down just for the eejits.

You could always use Unix or whatever else for you advanced people.

Jenson said,
Shouldnt be an option in the first place every OS since windows 1.0 has managed fine, dont dumb it down just for the eejits.

Wait, so more flexibility is a bad thing? Can't comment for everybody of course, but this eejit likes progress, and if it did bother me, I'd just turn it off. Probably come in handy though if I were on a tablet versus fooling around with a tiny menu and a stylus though.

Jen Smith said,

Wait, so more flexibility is a bad thing? Can't comment for everybody of course, but this eejit likes progress, and if it did bother me, I'd just turn it off. Probably come in handy though if I were on a tablet versus fooling around with a tiny menu and a stylus though.

Yes it is, the whole reason the Ribbon UI came about for Office is because people werent using a lot of the features because they were too stupid to find them so Microsoft dumbed down the UI into the Ribbon for those people.

I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.

Jenson said,
I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.

Then again, turn it off and move on. Common misconception on this site seems to be "my needs = everybody's needs." Keep in mind they have to cater the OS to work for.. well.. everybody. Plus don't forget the whole tablet thing, unless you really like working with a stylus that "stupid" ribbon will come in handy quick.

Jenson said,

Yes it is, the whole reason the Ribbon UI came about for Office is because people werent using a lot of the features because they were too stupid to find them so Microsoft dumbed down the UI into the Ribbon for those people.

I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.

I find the ribbon in office to be better than the dialog boxes. At least it is out of the way of you work while the dialog boxes it replaced came up right in front of your w

Jen Smith said,

Then again, turn it off and move on. Common misconception on this site seems to be "my needs = everybody's needs." Keep in mind they have to cater the OS to work for.. well.. everybody. Plus don't forget the whole tablet thing, unless you really like working with a stylus that "stupid" ribbon will come in handy quick.

If there is an option to turn it off i will, but im guessing that option is just to hide the ribbon not disable it completely.

You keep saying tablet and i agree but dont force it on people who dont actually use tablets, i have a tablet that i installed Windows 7 on and it recognised that it was a tablet and enabled tablet features.

@ Jenson

You know, you are not the only one that Microsoft has to cater to. If you are that good in Windows, then I'm sure you can find a work around with all of these issues that you are complaning about. REMEMBER - not every is as computer saavy as you. In addition, if you are that computer saavy, then you should know to keep an open mind when a new technology or OS comes out because it will keep on changing. If you don't want that ribbon feature, stick with Windows 7.

Jenson said,
Why should i have to stick with windows 7 because some idiot doesnt know how to use the OS.

Because you wouldn't know how to use Windows 8, apparently. o_O

Jenson said,
Why should i have to stick with windows 7 because some idiot doesnt know how to use the OS.

Apparently this whole "ribbon" thing has a wrap around your brain that you cannot see beyond other than what you want.

Jenson said,
If there is an option to turn it off i will, but im guessing that option is just to hide the ribbon not disable it completely.

I wouldn't worry about it so much. Some people spazzed about the exact same thing with the Windows 7 file explorer, and yet there it is, an option to re-enable ye olde pulldowns. Office 2010, just add an extension, and presto, pulldowns. (Personally though, ew.. once you get the hang of it it's much more productive, has jack to do with the users intelligence.. although I do agree, non-tablet usage I don't see a need for a ribbon in Explorer) Other "classic UI" features can be added to Explorer via an extension, and that's just working on the baseless assumption that it's being removed in the first place.

Jenson said,
Why should i have to stick with windows 7 because some idiot doesnt know how to use the OS.

I find it extremely hard to believe that you are an advanced user. Advanced users have the ability to get use to new features and use the best out of them.

It seems you are complaining like any other people in the "hate train": just to look cool.

Jenson said,

Yes it is, the whole reason the Ribbon UI came about for Office is because people werent using a lot of the features because they were too stupid to find them so Microsoft dumbed down the UI into the Ribbon for those people.

I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.

So increasing usability is the same as dumbing down?

Jenson said,

If there is an option to turn it off i will, but im guessing that option is just to hide the ribbon not disable it completely.

You keep saying tablet and i agree but dont force it on people who dont actually use tablets, i have a tablet that i installed Windows 7 on and it recognised that it was a tablet and enabled tablet features.


As always, Windows is very customisable. So don't be so selfish and get over it.

Jenson said,

Yes it is, the whole reason the Ribbon UI came about for Office is because people werent using a lot of the features because they were too stupid to find them so Microsoft dumbed down the UI into the Ribbon for those people.

I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.


No, the ribbon came about to increase productivuty and it does. It speeds things up tremendously... Just because someone doesn't appreciate it doesn't mean the majority doesn't.

Jenson said,

Yes it is, the whole reason the Ribbon UI came about for Office is because people werent using a lot of the features because they were too stupid to find them so Microsoft dumbed down the UI into the Ribbon for those people.

I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.


Except most people aren't tech savvy, so yeah....

Jenson said,
Damn that Ribbon looks ridiculous look at all the vertical space lost.

The details pane is on the side. It takes up the same amount space as the details pane in 7 does.

lordcanti86 said,
Except most people aren't tech savvy, so yeah....

But you have to remember that computer is suppose to make things easier for the end user (tech saavy or not). I guess some of us has forgotten that particulart notion about computers.

Jenson said,

If there is an option to turn it off i will, but im guessing that option is just to hide the ribbon not disable it completely.

You keep saying tablet and i agree but dont force it on people who dont actually use tablets, i have a tablet that i installed Windows 7 on and it recognised that it was a tablet and enabled tablet features.

Hide, turnoff - why the distinction? If you hide it and don't click on it, it is effectively 'turned off'...

BTW You seem to forget this is Microsoft, and there are numerous settings that even if you have to change them in the registry or via a policy editor are available to customize virtually everything about the UI.

(In fact, I think most people seem to forget this even when talking about Windows7, as a lot of things people 'want added' or 'want gone' can already be flipped in the policy editor or registry. Microsoft is very giving on 'customization' settings. It also reminds me of people complaining that the Close button on Windows is too tiny on touch screens, when it is something via the 20 year old appearance dialog box you can change, and make the button 500 pixels high if they want.)

Jenson said,

Yes it is, the whole reason the Ribbon UI came about for Office is because people werent using a lot of the features because they were too stupid to find them so Microsoft dumbed down the UI into the Ribbon for those people.

I dont want my windows dumbed down i can find all the features fine thanks.

No, and No...

The ribbon was not to 'dumb' down anything, nor was its intent to help stupid people.

There are UI concepts and constructs that go beyond the 'Ribbon' itself, and what Microsoft has been trying to do since Win95/NT4 is to move people to newer UI concepts that are MORE EFFICIENT and change their thinking to the newer UI paradigms.

Yet here we are in 2011 and people still want Explorer to look like a DOS DIR screen or Windows 3.1 File Manager, and still think in old directory structures.

Look how long it took people to start storing 'Documents' in Folders that correlated instead of saving them in the 'Program' directory of the application they were created in. Which was an old and insane concept that people still have trouble getting over to this day. (It was like keeping all the letters you write in your TypeWriter Case, and all your Spreadsheets in your 10Key Calculator Case, which in the non-computer world would be insane, yet somehow people still try to apply this false organizational habit when using computers.)

The Ribbon is a GUI concept to replace the MENU and Dialog Box UI concepts.

Menus were a 'quick and dirty' way to get a lot of features and functions into a GUI based application, but are NOT a Graphical UI concept. Menus are nothing but a list of 'commands' or a list of 'words', which are not condusive to a natural or even Graphical UI metaphor. Yet you find people, and even companies like Apple cling on to them like they are the 'best thing' even though usability studies show they are WORTHLESS for speed and making the UI easier.

Microsoft tried shoving away from Menus for years and years, and finally with Office 2007 and Vista, started removing them and starting the process of getting people past this horrible OLD concept.

Dialog Boxes are also an old and horrible UI metaphor, as they 'interrupt' the user, and shove new information on the screen that 'removes' the user from what they are working on. Apple's brilliant idea to 'advance' Dialog Boxes was to have them slip down from the top of the Application Window, which is just a new way to display them, and does nothing to 'replace' what they do and why they are bad.

So with the Ribbon, you have all the functions/commands that would be nested in the Menus, and it also replaces the horrible dialog boxes, as settings and changes are NO longer removing the user from what they are working on.

If you used a Ribbon more, and take what I have said here, you will see how and why they work like they do and why they are 'better' than traditional menus and dialog boxes.

The first side effect you should notice is that changes to the document initiated from the Ribbon, or even moused-over are reflected in the document you are working on, giving you instant and live previews of the changes you could potentially make. (If you have ever done graphic design, flipping between a bunch of options quickly is a massive advantage in the creative process as well.)

The next thing you will notice is that your application is not being 'locked' by dialog boxes when you are making changes, and thus allowing for a more fluid interface that isn't pulling you out of the document you are working on.

Ribbons also open the door for more and better multi-threading in applications, as there are no longer linear steps in producing something. So with no dialog box hanging the application, and locking the user from the document, it presents new programming models and opportunities for Asnyc and multi-threading in the application itself.

Ribbons are something FOR advanced users, with the side effect of being 'easier' for people, and exposing more features to users that they may never have even thought to dig through the menus to see if they exist. I don't care how much of an expert you think you are in Word or Excel for example, I will guarantee that with the ribbon you will find things you didn't realize the software could do. Which in your 'black and white' argument, would make you one of the stupid people.

Even think about the Menu UI concept itself, because even in your last line of your post, you say yourself that you can 'find' all the features of Windows. Why should ANYONE have to look for or find features? Why should anyone have to dig through 'lists of words' to find features or see what features a software product has available? And even after digging through a list of words (Menu), then have to dig through all the features in the dialog boxes? There is no reason for anyone to have to 'FIND' anything, it should be apparent what can the software can do without 'looking' for them.

Help in Office 2007 and Office 2010 is used far less than previous versions, as the features are just there on the Ribbon, and people don't have to 'look' for them, or remember what they are called, or remember how to use them. This alone should give you pause in that the 'old' ways were good enough or better.

PS I bet even with Explorer I could name 20 features that you do not realize are available in Windows7 today that you would like and use, even though you claim you can find all the features... And I don't say this to be arrogant, it is just a statistical fact, that any person would qualify, because of how we think, what we expect to be offered, etc.

Seriously, don't take my post as being an 'as*', instead, use it to maybe rethink some of your old habits.

(One of the main things my current company does is re-educate users and users, and we focus on advanced IT people that are 'stuck' in old methods and thinking, and give them a refreshed view of computing so that they can be a master of the newer UI concepts that ARE better.)

Rodrigo said,

I find it extremely hard to believe that you are an advanced user. Advanced users have the ability to get use to new features and use the best out of them.

It seems you are complaining like any other people in the "hate train": just to look cool.


Advanced User title doesn't mean jack squat on the Internet. Anyone can be one of them with a little efforts.