Windows 8 Milestone 2 already compiled

It isn't a secret that Microsoft is working on the successor to Windows 7, but the progress so far has remained a secret.

Windows 8, the codename for the next major operating system from Microsoft, may have already passed Milestone 2 progress. According to a Russian website winreview.ru, via win8beta.com, Microsoft compiled the build "Windows 8 Milestone 2: 6.2.79xx.0.winmain_win8m2.xxxxxx-xxxx" recently.

News of this build comes just days before CES 2011, meaning Microsoft might have a sneak preview for a select few, but the chances are very unlikely. The emerging details mean that Microsoft is already working on Milestone 3, which is expected to be completed by the end of February 2011.

Not too many details have leaked out about Windows 8, but its new UI might be called "Wind," where Microsoft plans to create a 3D desktop. Other details suggest that Microsoft might be integrating Windows 8 to the cloud, selling the operating system as more of a service, making deploying and updating a simple task.

Neowin will be live at CES 2011 this week in Las Vegas.

Thanks to Ci7 for posting this in the forums!

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Is it weird that this whole as a service and in the cloud thing is making me nervous? In my mind it is like if Windows is going to change in a sort of iOS with one appstore...
Think I'm gonna read up some more on the whole Windows 8 subject to get a better picture...

With Mac OS going more towards iOS, Microsoft might have a genuine opportunity to make some real headway with their next operating system.

Mike Frett said,
The words 'cloud' and 'as a service' push me away....

Me too, I'm glad to see other people are not happy with the idea of using 'cloud' although I think Microsoft is going down the right road. I do think they should put it to a vote to see he is against and for. If the results are... say for example 50/50 then release two versions, one with Cloud the other without. I understand the reason for the use of Cloud, Microsoft wants to stop the global pirating of Windows operating systems, although, what about people with, (pardon my profanity), shi* connections using cloud will be such a pain in the backside.

As long as Microsoft doesn't make the same mistake as they did when releasing Vista. Take your time and work out a functional OS which doesn't come pre-loaded with a dozen of bugs even before actually using it. Windows 7 was a giant leap forward, lets hope Windows 8 will do the same once again.

If it really does end up being a cloud OS, then I will stick with windows 7. I refuse to move my main OS to cloud computing.

Clouds are good for businesses, not personal PC's.

ceminess said,
If it really does end up being a cloud OS, then I will stick with windows 7. I refuse to move my main OS to cloud computing.

Clouds are good for businesses, not personal PC's.

Cloud is harder for business. By making cloud viable for business, it becomes better for end users.

What is your issue with cloud? that someone outside the users of your personal PC will see your wank bookmarks?

Is security and privacy your issue? In order for corporations to move to cloud, they will need to ensure their cloud vendors comply with privacy laws in each province/state/region/territory in order to get any adoption.

This will wind up securing your wank bookmarks from the 'general public'.

Imagine buying a new PC, logging in with your 'cloud credentials' and then boom, your desktop is restored to what you're familiar with, including all the apps.

Oh cloud sounds soo bad to me.

The thing is that there was some talk about MS deciding to remake the whole UI, but ofcourse you never know. I like windows how it is, and I prefer its functionality and simplicity currently over anything else, but OSX has a couple of things I would like to see in Windows 8. A new design would be awesome, for that "new" feeling.

Just to point out, I am neither saying windows or OSX is better than the other one.

Northgrove said,
"Wind" will end up like that whole "Aero Diamond" thing, haha.

Aero Diamond never existed, it was made up by people that have no idea what their on about.

jason13524 said,

Aero Diamond never existed, it was made up by people that have no idea what their on about.

Regrettably you are dead wrong.

Apple is going to have to make big mistakes, AND M$ will have to make 8 REALLY good to win many back to Window$. I for one am not looking back...

Co-ords said,
Apple is going to have to make big mistakes, AND M$ will have to make 8 REALLY good to win many back to Window$. I for one am not looking back...

duh , PC market is expending
they don't really need to 'win' them back

Co-ords said,
Apple is going to have to make big mistakes, AND M$ will have to make 8 REALLY good to win many back to Window$. I for one am not looking back...

What exactly is wrong with Windows 7?

Unclean009 said,

What exactly is wrong with Windows 7?

The Windows interface is still an incoherent mess. Drag 'n' drop isn't as powerful as it is on Mac OS X. Each application lives on its own private island and doesn't integrate with the rest of the OS. And while Windows 7 did massively improve things I still feel that Windows is nagware, constantly bothering you with wizards, pop-up balloons, pop-up banners etc.

My issues with Windows are mostly interface related.

I just want the Windows 3.1 icons removed and replaced with icons from 2011. It's minor, it's cosmetic, but the 3.1 icons are just plain embarrassing.

denne said,
I just want the Windows 3.1 icons removed and replaced with icons from 2011. It's minor, it's cosmetic, but the 3.1 icons are just plain embarrassing.

+1.

Actually this speaks to a larger problem with windows itself. Consistancy.
This is a problem with the computer industry as a whole. People who write cheques (accountants, ceos, etc) don't want to re-invest to re-invent a dialog box / window / etc if the current one still functions.

What you eventually wind up with is a collection of legacy code which is not necessarily better than new code, just that it's always been there.

The risk of removing the code, or updating the base in which these things are built is that it could potentially break compatibility.

I have seen some examples of this which are pretty hilarious. Windows 7 apps that open win3.11 file/folder pickers, etc.

Consistancy is what Windows 8 should bring to the table. A completely consistently styled OS where applications that try to use old outdated/obsolete controls will actually load stylized versions of those controls that match the OS. So, even if the app developer doesn't update his code, it doesn't break the 'look' of the newest flagship OS. That or just drop support for windows 9x COM altogether.

In their own house, Microsoft need to do the invest in the consistancy mantra. Nothing like digging through the latest and greatest leaked build, only to find out that some admin UI is the same as it's been since NT4 (yes, even in Windows 7).

One feature that would be nice is the ability to resize a photo just by right clicking it ,without having to install any 3rd party tools.

People will whine and moan if it looks like 7, they really don't give a flying F*** what changed performance/code wise, it just has to LOOK different and everyone would say Ohhh! what a nice fast shiny OS... really its vista in disguise

Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!

Windows 8-I want to pin a folder, files, etc in taskbar!
Windows 8-I want to play music in explorer right where the mp3 files are!
Windows 8-I want to be able to use animated wallpaper! which even a mobile phone can do nowadays (e.g Android)
Windows 8-I want to be able to open multiple tabs in one folder, as much as I like the taskbar buttons being stacked all in one, I'd still prefer tabs folder!

MaSx said,
Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!

Windows 8-I want to pin a folder, files, etc in taskbar!
Windows 8-I want to play music in explorer right where the mp3 files are!
Windows 8-I want to be able to use animated wallpaper! which even a mobile phone can do nowadays (e.g Android)
Windows 8-I want to be able to open multiple tabs in one folder, as much as I like the taskbar buttons being stacked all in one, I'd still prefer tabs folder!

You can already play music in explorer

MaSx said,
Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!
Windows 8-I want to play music in explorer right where the mp3 files are!

Now that you mention that, wasn't that possible in pre-SP Windows 2000/XP back in the day, or was it a mini media player in the side pane?

Sadelwo said,

Now that you mention that, wasn't that possible in pre-SP Windows 2000/XP back in the day, or was it a mini media player in the side pane?


Yes, there was.

Sadelwo said,

Now that you mention that, wasn't that possible in pre-SP Windows 2000/XP back in the day, or was it a mini media player in the side pane?

Yep, it was in Win2k, even up to SP4 IIRC. Don't think/recall if it was in XP as pre-sp2 seems like a decade ago. I'd like to see that in Windows 8's explorer but I won't hold my breath!

MaSx said,
Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!

Windows 8-I want to pin a folder, files, etc in taskbar!
Windows 8-I want to play music in explorer right where the mp3 files are!
Windows 8-I want to be able to use animated wallpaper! which even a mobile phone can do nowadays (e.g Android)
Windows 8-I want to be able to open multiple tabs in one folder, as much as I like the taskbar buttons being stacked all in one, I'd still prefer tabs folder!

OS X does it...

MaSx said,
Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!

Windows 8-I want to pin a folder, files, etc in taskbar!
Windows 8-I want to play music in explorer right where the mp3 files are!
Windows 8-I want to be able to use animated wallpaper! which even a mobile phone can do nowadays (e.g Android)
Windows 8-I want to be able to open multiple tabs in one folder, as much as I like the taskbar buttons being stacked all in one, I'd still prefer tabs folder!


2 and 3 can already be done (There is a preview pane that can play media files built into explorer; animated wallpapers were in vista, a bit of software from Stardock can enhance it, or bring it to editions that didn't ship with the feature)

LiquidSolstice said,

Yes. It's called the Preview Pane. Learn it, son.

Now that i remember, i've disabled the WMP crap in Win7, that's why. I'll stick to AIMP (v3 in recent beta for now but nonetheless).

MaSx said,
Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!
...

Unfortunately for you, MS OS is always 'by the numbers'.
Windows usage data from those who participate in the customer experience improvement program determines the features that will get the majority of attention.

I am a minority in many usage categories.

Did you know part of the reason for windows 7s combined quick-launch/taskbar unification (aka Superbar) is because customer experience improvement showed that if users apps were opened out of order, they'd close them all down again and re-open them in order.

Then it was decided that users would be more productive if they could re-order open apps on the taskbar. That's one for instance. Join the improvement program and have your experience counted in the aggregate that will shape the future of the next OS.

MaSx said,
Just a few small wishlist for Windows 8!

Windows 8-I want to pin a folder, files, etc in taskbar!


Erm this is a basic w7 feature?

Windows 8-I want to play music in explorer right where the mp3 files are!

Preview pane win7?

Windows 8-I want to be able to use animated wallpaper! which even a mobile phone can do nowadays (e.g Android)

Able since winXP, default in Vista and unlockable in win7
also able with videolan ever since forever, on OSX/WIN/LINUX

Windows 8-I want to be able to open multiple tabs in one folder, as much as I like the taskbar buttons being stacked all in one, I'd still prefer tabs folder!

Tabs folder is a downloable function. http://sourceforge.net/projects/qttabbar/

ryoran109 said,
Sigh, Microsoft. We don't care about a 3D desktop! Where is WinFS?!?!?!

This has been answered time and time again. Do some research and you'll see most of it has already been integrated into windows.

Regardz

Benjo85au said,

This has been answered time and time again. Do some research and you'll see most of it has already been integrated into windows.

Regardz

His sentiments about a 3D desktop are ones that I share atm. Hopefully it is done well and not forced on people if it isn't.

ryoran109 said,
Sigh, Microsoft. We don't care about a 3D desktop! Where is WinFS?!?!?!
So, you're taking it that MS is ONLY working on a 3D desktop (which isn't confirmed), to the exclusion of all other development? Totally sensible.

Majesticmerc said,
What constitutes a "Milestone"?
i'd like to know as well, but i think its just a major event in the development

jasonon said,
i'd like to know as well, but i think its just a major event in the development
Indeed ... it's a step along the development path. Of course, it's changing all the time, but it's a set checkpoint to check progress.

Looking at major operating systems around (Mac OS X, Linux and Windows) Windows is trying to change the most. Microsoft already told that Windows 8 is gonna be the riskiest project so far. Nice thing is that Microsoft is trying to improve and does that in quite a huge steps. But again that might be a problem we might see more badly shaped Windows versions and some released like a gold ones. Of course I hope new big changes not gonna mess things for Windows. At least it should be as good as Windows 7.

I hope this doesn't do for Windows 7, what ME and Vista did for their previous OS's. Please don't screw this one up MS! And as usual I will be installing the first beta I can get my hands on and use it as my everyday operating system.

I don't need a new UI MS!!!! I need some basic features in Explorer. I need:
Folder size in 'Detail view'
A way to organise my files which is a bit more detailed than "a long time ago"
Ability to remove shortcuts or search boxes I don't need from a folders window.
Files and folders that are no longer locked for no reason

All the silly stuff that makes a UI an actual interface I can work with!!!!

Orange Battery said,
I don't need a new UI MS!!!! I need some basic features in Explorer. I need:
Folder size in 'Detail view'
A way to organise my files which is a bit more detailed than "a long time ago"
Ability to remove shortcuts or search boxes I don't need from a folders window.
Files and folders that are no longer locked for no reason

All the silly stuff that makes a UI an actual interface I can work with!!!!


Folder size in detail view would slow down loading, I'm fine with hovering over or clicking to see the size as it would greatly delay browsing large folders.
No idea what your second point even means.
The majority of people find search useful. You should try it sometime and see what you're missing.
I've never experienced this or heard of, sounds like an issue with Apps you use. (unless you were talking about system folders in which case its to keep people like you who don't seem to understand why the system is the way it is from breaking things)

omnicoder said,

Folder size in detail view would slow down loading, I'm fine with hovering over or clicking to see the size as it would greatly delay browsing large folders.
No idea what your second point even means.
The majority of people find search useful. You should try it sometime and see what you're missing.
I've never experienced this or heard of, sounds like an issue with Apps you use. (unless you were talking about system folders in which case its to keep people like you who don't seem to understand why the system is the way it is from breaking things)

The option to integrate folder size into the UI was made considerably harder following the changes in Vista's UI. Im sorry you don't understand what i was talking about, its not an app issue lol.

Orange Battery said,
I don't need a new UI MS!!!! I need some basic features in Explorer. I need:
Folder size in 'Detail view'
A way to organise my files which is a bit more detailed than "a long time ago"
Ability to remove shortcuts or search boxes I don't need from a folders window.
Files and folders that are no longer locked for no reason

All the silly stuff that makes a UI an actual interface I can work with!!!!

I am having the locked folders issue too, sometimes...

Orange Battery said,

The option to integrate folder size into the UI was made considerably harder following the changes in Vista's UI. Im sorry you don't understand what i was talking about, its not an app issue lol.


And have you researched and used utilities like Process Explorer to determine what process has locked the handle, or are you just assuming it's Window's fault?

omnicoder said,

And have you researched and used utilities like Process Explorer to determine what process has locked the handle, or are you just assuming it's Window's fault?

It is, it's a known issue.

I would like more options in how to layout files within a folder. For instance I have videos of tv series on my hdds. I think it would nice to have the option to have all videos from that series in the same folder, but have some visually easy way of separating videos from different seasons - naming alone doesn't do this.
Perhaps there is some third-party program that already does this, but I have not encountered one.

omnicoder said,

And have you researched and used utilities like Process Explorer to determine what process has locked the handle, or are you just assuming it's Window's fault?

Happens to me, too, and since the process locking it is explorer.exe I'd say yeah, it's probably Windows...

Orange Battery said,
I don't need a new UI MS!!!! I need some basic features in Explorer.
<snip>
Ability to remove shortcuts or search boxes I don't need from a folders window.
Files and folders that are no longer locked for no reason

All the silly stuff that makes a UI an actual interface I can work with!!!!

Same here. I don't need a new UI either. I would like things like to see things like:
* when removing a usb device, and one off the files is still in use, it just tells me it couldn't remove the device. At least tell me what file (or process) is in use.
* When copying for example 50 files, if file 2 fails, windows throws an error and stops copying altogether (at least on my end), so how about still copying all other files and in the end just tell me what files failed (and why)
* tabs support in explorer
* And an option to change these breadcrumbs in the address bar (of explorer) back in to how it was in windows XP. (How hard can it be to create an option for this?)

sirnh1 said,

Same here. I don't need a new UI either. I would like things like to see things like:
* when removing a usb device, and one off the files is still in use, it just tells me it couldn't remove the device. At least tell me what file (or process) is in use.
* When copying for example 50 files, if file 2 fails, windows throws an error and stops copying altogether (at least on my end), so how about still copying all other files and in the end just tell me what files failed (and why)
* tabs support in explorer
* And an option to change these breadcrumbs in the address bar (of explorer) back in to how it was in windows XP. (How hard can it be to create an option for this?)


Theres a free program for tabs in explorer.
for programs in use, use process explorer...which is provided by MS for free
change breadcrumbs? to winXP? Just click on the bar? should show the full path

Shadowzz said,

Theres a free program for tabs in explorer.
for programs in use, use process explorer...which is provided by MS for free

I know, doesn't mean that it wouldn't be nice to have it build in though. I think that these changes are (far) more important than 'another' UI change, that I wil most likely hate anyhow (I think windows 98 was still much better looking, since it didn't have all that non needed ugly graphic interface)

Shadowzz said,

change breadcrumbs? to winXP? Just click on the bar? should show the full path

Yes, but I'm have a lot of folders named almost identical (why I do this has reason, but that doesn't matter), for example a folder c:\for\example1 and a folder c:\for\example2 to 'quickly' switch folders (in xp) I'm used to click in the addressbar at the place I would like to make changes and then press enter. In windows 7 I have to click the bar, click at the location in the bar, where I would like to make changes and then press enter.
I know the breadcrumbs are good for some people, but not for me. So I would like

sirnh1 said,
...

click the down arrow at whatever level you want and select the folder you want to move to.
seems like you're complicating the simplification.

CRTrials said,
Once the first screenshots emerge cue 10 thousand comments saying "it looks the same as windows 7" **sigh**

Just like the first few builds of Windows 7 looked like vista. It's to be expected, but you're right, there will be people who expect a whole new UI with a milestone or pre-beta screenshot.

ie9 said,

Just like the first few builds of Windows 7 looked like vista. It's to be expected, but you're right, there will be people who expect a whole new UI with a milestone or pre-beta screenshot.

Win7 still basically looks like Vista.

It's Win 98 to Vista's Win 95.

Seems like they're trying to be more careful with the leaks this time around. We haven't seen that much so far.

amon91 said,
Seems like they're trying to be more careful with the leaks this time around. We haven't seen that much so far.

Perhaps they havent progressed that much. They are being careful into not announcing any feature (Longhorn was a much hyped mess).

Julius Caro said,

Perhaps they havent progressed that much. They are being careful into not announcing any feature (Longhorn was a much hyped mess).

With Longhorn's technical announcements, Microsoft was trying to get the industry prepared for the changes most of which did arrive in Vista - and still most of the industry acted like they were caught with their pants down. This goes from the mainboard MFRs with the bad ACPI implementations to sound card companies with bad drivers, and especially includes the GPU companies that prented like they only had a few months to write new WDDM drivers. (Of course NVidia was fighting most of the video WDM and DX10 specifications along the way, and even after the concessions by Microsoft still had crap drivers and left their FX series abandoned.)

Developers and the whole new WPF and development paradigms also seemed to surprise people, despite the concepts being dropped to developers before Vista was even in beta.

(Let alone the base features known that Apple slapped into OS X with cute names and Microsoft was lampooned for 'copying' Apple - especially Time Machine, and it even shipped six months after Vista.)

So maybe with Win8, MS realized it doesn't matter so keep things secret, and maybe the industry will pay attention to what leaks and be more prepared this time around.

(I know MS Engineers designed a lot of GPU technologies, but NVidia and ATi should have done better with the drivers for Vista and took more time to understand WDM/WDDM in the context of how it would help performance and not just try to replicate what they were doing with XPDM drivers.)


PS - As these comments may create a side note discussion:
If anyone wants to see what GPU technologies Microsoft created, go look up the PS/VS technologies from XBox that NVidia got the luxury of using, and was the standard of GPUs for over 6 years to the shader code language also developed by Microsoft at that time, which is still used by everyone. (Nvidia adapted the DirectX shader language for non-DirectX use, and between two virtually every game in the world uses this.)

Also the Unified Shader Microsoft developed for the XBox 360 is now a standard concept used in all desktop GPUs - even Macs.

There is also all the side work of DirectX technologies that influenced GPU design.

(This is stuff to reference if anyone is truly interested especially when people forget that Microsoft does a lot of hardware designs and engineering that they contribute to the industry, as with GPUs, without keeping all to themselves. Sharing of advanced technologies is sometimes more important than sharing code, and I think the OSS world doesn't give Microsoft enough credit for these contributions.)

ie9 said,
Latest rumor is a January leak, so fingers crossed!!

:confused: We can now rumor leaks? I thought they just happen... like... surprise! Here's a new build.

cybertimber2008 said,

:confused: We can now rumor leaks? I thought they just happen... like... surprise! Here's a new build.

Naw, there were even rumors about leaks with Windows 7 days before they happened, you just have to know the right people

cybertimber2008 said,

:confused: We can now rumor leaks? I thought they just happen... like... surprise! Here's a new build.

LMAO I was thinking the same thing.

cybertimber2008 said,

:confused: We can now rumor leaks? I thought they just happen... like... surprise! Here's a new build.
Oh yeah there are rumors about leaking rumors about leaks now. Keep up old man

xtruder said,
I'm looking forward for some screenshots, I have a while to wait

Yeah. Quite a while for UI stuff I'm afraid... I'm really looking forward to seeing what they have planned as well though.