Windows 8 screenshots of build 8220 leak, new info surfaces

Microsoft is getting close to the beta launch of Windows 8 and a few new screenshots of one of the latest builds has leaked. The screenshots have been independently confirmed by Canouna and show the name “Consumer Preview” which indicates previous rumors that the beta tag would be dropped; images are from PC Beta.com

Another big change is that you will notice the start orb is now gone. This is another big change that will be in the Consumer Preview and shows, again, how Windows 8 will break from the mold of previous versions of windows.  

We have confirmed that is the case with Windows 8 that the start orb will be disappearing but it is not entirely gone. We will have more information on this shortly. For now, enjoy the latest leaks of the 8220 build and we suspect more images will be appearing shortly.

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The WinNews site said it so well a couple of days ago. Tablets are not PCs, as in laptops and desktops. Let Windows-8 serve tablets and Windows-9 (?) serve PCs. Two different form factors for two different purposes.

^^ This. It really concerns me that the Beta is going to have the same odd mix of Metro Apps (that you can't seem to close except with Task Manager) and the regular Desktop with Explorer. The Metro version of IE is just not useful at all on a PC without a touch screen. Where are your bookmarks? Nowhere, you just have a full screen of a website. No tabs. To me the whole thing seems kind of ridiculous. They (Microsoft) really should have some option during initial setup to let the user pick which UI to install and use. Having the Metro UI on a Desktop is so counter-productive. How many people will automatically click the Start button (oh, wait, now it's not there- that's gonna freak some people out, I guarantee it) and be shoved back to the Start screen, where you can Start a lot of programs, but if you are just using Desktop Apps, why would you need to return to the stupid full screen thing? Different form factors need different UIs. You can't just mash the two together and hope that somehow people will just 'get it'.

Have you used Win8 DP? The tabs and bookmarks are easily accessible with a mouse/keyboard and Metro apps can be closed without using Task Manager. The only time you need to go to the Metro Start Screen is when you want to launch a program. It's nothing more than a fullscreen start menu. Frequently used programs can be pinned to the taskbar. I don't use the classic start menu much simply because there's no need. I've all my apps pinned and easily accessible from the desktop.

KevinN206 said,
Have you used Win8 DP? The tabs and bookmarks are easily accessible with a mouse/keyboard and Metro apps can be closed without using Task Manager. The only time you need to go to the Metro Start Screen is when you want to launch a program. It's nothing more than a fullscreen start menu. Frequently used programs can be pinned to the taskbar. I don't use the classic start menu much simply because there's no need. I've all my apps pinned and easily accessible from the desktop.

OK about tabs in IE. But how do you close Metro Apps? Tell me. How do you close the Piano app or the games? You can't right-click anywhere, there is no x button that appears if you hover near the top of the screen. Tell me how to do it. Of course I've used the DP.

devHead said,

OK about tabs in IE. But how do you close Metro Apps? Tell me. How do you close the Piano app or the games? You can't right-click anywhere, there is no x button that appears if you hover near the top of the screen. Tell me how to do it. Of course I've used the DP.

You can't close a Metro application in the Developer Preview directly, you can only kill it via Task Manager. But in the Consumer Preview, it will be possible to close a Metro application by taking and dragging it downwards (touch gesture). I'm not sure how it will work for keyboard/mouse input, yet if the application will really be closed, and not only suspended and removed from the running application stack (a behavior I suggested in the MSDN forums shortly after the Developer Preview was made available).

derekaw said,
Less than the 4GB of installed RAM usable?

When i built my machine with parts from my local pc store + tigerdirect,
i bought 1 2gb stick of ddr2 ram and never one time in a few years come close to using it all and i do massive intensive multitasking, such as converting hd videos while browsing and running media center + other things.

I always laugh at people that brag they have 16 gigs of ram because of their illusion that it really makes much difference.. it don't.
And i know plenty about ram I've been over clocking the timings on my ram because my benchmarks showed me better results than over clocking the speed. done with a half volt bump on the ddr voltage. 10+ years of overclocking makes CHECK things rather than eating FUD

Anyone wants to call me on this then show me a list of processes that would be in use on an average usage scenario and a screenshot of the ram being FULLY Utilized..

Dear Lord, Windows Design Teams needs to be fired, jokers. This will be Epic Fail, they expect from most people to hit Window Key (keyboard). A lot of people don't even realize it's there.

Can I point out one thing that MS irked me on...... remember back in vista when they started taking title bar titles away because it was "redundant with the breadcrum bar"? um We're bringing them back now? System in Vista and 7 has no title, in 8 there is a title again!

neufuse said,
Can I point out one thing that MS irked me on...... remember back in vista when they started taking title bar titles away because it was "redundant with the breadcrum bar"? um We're bringing them back now? System in Vista and 7 has no title, in 8 there is a title again!

You're talking about users who wanted the freakin "up" button back.... -_-

Dot Matrix said,

You're talking about users who wanted the freakin "up" button back.... -_-

well a blank title bar was stupid, it was just wasted space, but you'd of thought they could of figured something out like a breadcrum title bar or something not just blank!

Dot Matrix said,

You're talking about users who wanted the freakin "up" button back.... -_-


yes please! as that has a constitant place in the window, the bar moves around depending on folder names or how deep your in a folder -.-

Dot Matrix said,
Says so much, yet so little. Also, that red is really God awful irritating. >.<

Hot Dog Stand color scheme from Windows 3.1

Enron said,

Hot Dog Stand color scheme from Windows 3.1

Oh I wish I was an Oscar Myer Windows Red and Yellow is what I'd bee eee eee...... *humms off*

Enron said,
Hot Dog Stand color scheme from Windows 3.1

Or any version of Windows where someone changed the wallpaper to bright red...

Fine kill the start button coz it makes no sense to have it after killing start menu , seems legit.

BUT what i am thinking is that though IE10(both metro app and win32 app) has these metro scroll bars , but Windows Aero won't get those scroll bars? Its really inconsistent this way

one thing that always bugs me about MS, back in the vista beta when they went to rounded corners, everyone in the tech beta complained it looked bad, MS said it was staying that way for the future versions, now windows 8, its square again... how much you want to bet people are going to complain that rounded looked better?

neufuse said,
one thing that always bugs me about MS, back in the vista beta when they went to rounded corners, everyone in the tech beta complained it looked bad, MS said it was staying that way for the future versions, now windows 8, its square again... how much you want to bet people are going to complain that rounded looked better?

XP had rounded corners if I remember correctly. Unless you used the Classic theme.

Ninja Grinch said,

XP had rounded corners if I remember correctly. Unless you used the Classic theme.

I know, but a lot of people stayed on classic it seemed like, and the big fuss about it was in the longhorn (vista) beta.. I remember that happening pretty well... that and the bright teal line around the window boarder where huge "issues" with some people

neufuse said,

I know, but a lot of people stayed on classic it seemed like, and the big fuss about it was in the longhorn (vista) beta.. I remember that happening pretty well... that and the bright teal line around the window boarder where huge "issues" with some people

People hate change, they'll get over it.

Ninja Grinch said,

XP had rounded corners if I remember correctly. Unless you used the Classic theme.

Actually, XP had both in Luna - Rounded for the title bar and square on the bottom of the window

Ninja Grinch said,

XP had rounded corners if I remember correctly. Unless you used the Classic theme.


vista and 7 still have classic, somehow i doubt they wont add it to 8 either.

I'm loving it. the start menu is like the human apendix. totally worthless ever since the search box came into existance in vista. every time I open it I have to put up with a UI that is totally unsuited for finding anything because it's a mess of folders in a small window.

I hope they replaced it with a better power finder app. so long start menu!

neonspark said,
I'm loving it. the start menu is like the human apendix. totally worthless ever since the search box came into existance in vista. every time I open it I have to put up with a UI that is totally unsuited for finding anything because it's a mess of folders in a small window.

I hope they replaced it with a better power finder app. so long start menu!

yeah because I want finding a program dependent on a search index not getting corrupted or being slow... just give us a darn program list we dont have to take extra steps to see

neufuse said,

yeah because I want finding a program dependent on a search index not getting corrupted or being slow... just give us a darn program list we dont have to take extra steps to see

Clicking Start>Programs is an unnecessary step in itself. You should have the program on your desktop or as a quick launch. I only ever use Start to initiate a search or to run something. These things are possible now just by start to type. On the start screen you type "cmd" and there it is.

At least, that's how it works at the moment... who knows what will change in W8CP. :-o

laserfloyd said,

Clicking Start>Programs is an unnecessary step in itself. You should have the program on your desktop or as a quick launch. I only ever use Start to initiate a search or to run something. These things are possible now just by start to type. On the start screen you type "cmd" and there it is.

At least, that's how it works at the moment... who knows what will change in W8CP. :-o

on my desktop? yeah I want to overcrowd that thing... and quick launch? alright I have about 35 programs I use in an average day... *scratches head* pinning all those would drive me nuts... once again... for those of us who really use our systems a lot, a start menu was a good idea... right now I have 15 programs running just for my dev work, from VS 2010, SSMS, SQL Trace, Photoshop for graphics work, a text edit program so I can work with 2 GB flat files, outlook, remote desktop, etc.... gawd too much stuff to do in one day to take the time to "search" for programs or pin them all to a small area

neonspark said,
I'm loving it. the start menu is like the human apendix. totally worthless ever since the search box came into existance in vista. every time I open it I have to put up with a UI that is totally unsuited for finding anything because it's a mess of folders in a small window.

I hope they replaced it with a better power finder app. so long start menu!


They've replaced it with the Start screen which is much more suited for finding apps, and it still provides a quick way to search for any app on the system (merely typing as soon as the Start Screen appears)

neufuse said,

yeah because I want finding a program dependent on a search index not getting corrupted or being slow... just give us a darn program list we dont have to take extra steps to see

The search index shouldn't be slow unless you have starved your PC of RAM (or deliberately set up the drive to NOT index as much - some users - particularly gamers - do this to minimize lag while multitasking during online gaming). Exactly how much RAM do you have in that PC?

PGHammer said,

The search index shouldn't be slow unless you have starved your PC of RAM (or deliberately set up the drive to NOT index as much - some users - particularly gamers - do this to minimize lag while multitasking during online gaming). Exactly how much RAM do you have in that PC?

I've never changed anything from the default indexing setup that you get when you install windows, and in windows 7 on a core i7 with 9GB of DDR3 RAM and a RAID1+0 array I still get a 2-3 second delay from when I type something to when the first item shows up... I just typed "CMD" for a test and it took about 2 seconds for it to show, and about a second later files with similar names started to show... still slower then me just having the command prompt pinned on the start menu

neufuse said,

I've never changed anything from the default indexing setup that you get when you install windows, and in windows 7 on a core i7 with 9GB of DDR3 RAM and a RAID1+0 array I still get a 2-3 second delay from when I type something to when the first item shows up... I just typed "CMD" for a test and it took about 2 seconds for it to show, and about a second later files with similar names started to show... still slower then me just having the command prompt pinned on the start menu


Well, on Windows 8 DP with 3-4 year old hardware, that same task takes less than a second.

neufuse said,
I still get a 2-3 second delay

Heaven forbid you have to wait a split second for the computer to do something. How dare the computer need a second to search a terabyte, in some cases, of files. Kids these days are so spoiled when it comes to instant gratification...

neufuse said,

I've never changed anything from the default indexing setup that you get when you install windows, and in windows 7 on a core i7 with 9GB of DDR3 RAM and a RAID1+0 array I still get a 2-3 second delay from when I type something to when the first item shows up... I just typed "CMD" for a test and it took about 2 seconds for it to show, and about a second later files with similar names started to show... still slower then me just having the command prompt pinned on the start menu

Sounds like you have a problem there with your system. On my 1-year-old Athlon II X4 system (far from the top end) with 4 GB RAM I press Start, place three fingers on the right keys to type CMD as fast as possible, and the command prompt appears in the list before I have even got to the D...

neufuse said,

I've never changed anything from the default indexing setup that you get when you install windows, and in windows 7 on a core i7 with 9GB of DDR3 RAM and a RAID1+0 array I still get a 2-3 second delay from when I type something to when the first item shows up... I just typed "CMD" for a test and it took about 2 seconds for it to show, and about a second later files with similar names started to show... still slower then me just having the command prompt pinned on the start menu

i just tried typind cmd also and it came up instantlyb4 i had even finished typing it infact and thats on my i5-8gig ram

neufuse said,

I've never changed anything from the default indexing setup that you get when you install windows, and in windows 7 on a core i7 with 9GB of DDR3 RAM and a RAID1+0 array I still get a 2-3 second delay from when I type something to when the first item shows up... I just typed "CMD" for a test and it took about 2 seconds for it to show, and about a second later files with similar names started to show... still slower then me just having the command prompt pinned on the start menu

Searching apps has actually never used the index in any version of Windows. Only file (and mail) results come from the index.

Typing "cmd" works because the start menu matches against expansions of the %PATH% environment variable. You should always be able to hit WIN then "cmd" then Enter without ever pausing, and cmd should launch.

no start menu? that would drive people nuts that worked with windows for ever, thats like taking the apple menu from mac users from the 80's and 90's they still do use it.. this better not turn into something stupid like press the windows key to get to a program list or make some gesture to get it....

neufuse said,
no start menu? that would drive people nuts that worked with windows for ever, thats like taking the apple menu from mac users from the 80's and 90's they still do use it.. this better not turn into something stupid like press the windows key to get to a program list or make some gesture to get it....

Agreed. I guess we'll have to see what happens.

neufuse said,
no start menu? that would drive people nuts that worked with windows for ever, thats like taking the apple menu from mac users from the 80's and 90's they still do use it.. this better not turn into something stupid like press the windows key to get to a program list or make some gesture to get it....

Actually, the assumption is not correct.

I actually pre-date *Windows* - my PC usage goes back to the original IBM PC (specifically, the PC, PC/XT and PC/AT - all of which came with green-screen displays and predate even Windows 1.0). I dual-boot Windows 7 and the WDP today (an unmodified WDP, in fact) which means I run the Immersive desktop on a traditional desktop/keyboard/mouse - not a tablet or slate. The adjustment period will depend on how much *user baggage* they bring with them.

I've not been following this all too closely so maybe it's already been answered, but if they remove the Start orb how am I supposed to access the Start menu?

Intrinsica said,
I've not been following this all too closely so maybe it's already been answered, but if they remove the Start orb how am I supposed to access the Start menu?

Just about every keyboard on the market has a "Start" or "Windows" button on the keyboard, unless it is specifically designed for a different type of system (Playstation, Xbox, Mac, etc.). It also likely could take on the cue from the "Show Desktop button" in Windows 7. It's not a button so much as it is just the furthest edge of the taskbar.

halcyoncmdr said,
Just about every keyboard on the market has a "Start" or "Windows" button on the keyboard, unless it is specifically designed for a different type of system (Playstation, Xbox, Mac, etc.).
I get that, but I would imagine that if they are removing the Start Orb then they are going to completely remove the Start menu as well.

Anyway, I'll wait and see what information bdsams has...

Intrinsica said,
I've not been following this all too closely so maybe it's already been answered, but if they remove the Start orb how am I supposed to access the Start menu?

Most obvious answer is the windows start button on the keyboard......

But I'm sure there are many changes in the CP so maybe theres another way, you do know the start menu is totally gone (old start menu) and is replaced with the immersive start screen dont you

duddit2 said,
...you do know the start menu is totally gone (old start menu) and is replaced with the immersive start screen dont you

Oh god, you mean that metro layout thing? I thought they said that the metro look was going to be in addition to the normal layout?

Intrinsica said,

Oh god, you mean that metro layout thing? I thought they said that the metro look was going to be in addition to the normal layout?

The Metro experience is in addition to the Desktop experience, but the Metro mode is the main now, and that is what you will always see when you boot your PC. You will be greeted with the Start screen, and you will be able to select the Desktop tile whenever you wish to use it. I love that decision. Just think of the Desktop experience as another option on the Start screen

halcyoncmdr said,

Just about every keyboard on the market has a "Start" or "Windows" button on the keyboard, unless it is specifically designed for a different type of system (Playstation, Xbox, Mac, etc.). It also likely could take on the cue from the "Show Desktop button" in Windows 7. It's not a button so much as it is just the furthest edge of the taskbar.

That particular key predates (by almost a year) Windows 9x - the first *Windows keyboards* were launched in 1994, beginning with the original Microsoft Natural Keyboard (later the Natural Keyboard Elite).. There are hooks in *every* version of Windows back to Windows 3.1 for the Windows key - even Windows NT. The Windows key also appears in virtual keyboards (including those in Windows 7 and the WDP). It's why all the WinKey shortcuts exist - and have existed - throughout the history of Windows.

Detection said,
Need to correct thread title from 8820 to 8220

Already reported that but you should probably use the "Report a problem with article" link instead of commenting on it.

bdsams said,
You saw nothing! Fixed, fat fingers this morning.

Does the link not change? Its still 8820 in the link.

Ninja Grinch said,

Does the link not change? Its still 8820 in the link.

I imagine changing the link would cause all sorts of problems... lol