Windows 8: So simple a three year old can use it (maybe)

For the past several months, we have read any number of articles about how Windows 8 is going to be hard to learn, especially by people who are so used to previous versions of Windows 8. Now, a new video has been posted on YouTube that allegedly shows Windows 8 being used quite well by a three year old.

The video was posted earlier this week by a man named Adam Desrosiers and shows his three year old son in front of a PC monitor running Windows 8 and its "Modern" UI.  The camera mostly stays on the monitor as Adam asks his son off camera to do things such as open up a program, pin it to the side, open up another Modern UI program that's already running and more.

Again, this video doesn't actually show his son moving the mouse around to handle the actions, but based on the audio, it seems resonable to assume this could be the real deal and not faked. In a post on the YouTube page, Desrosiers says, "For the record, I do whatever I can to keep my boy *off* the computer." However, he does say he has had Windows 8 installed on his PC for about a month and claims that the video shows how well his son uses it.

Desrosiers adds, "I could easily teach him some of the even more in depth operations of the system if I didn't think it more important that he interact with the real world."

Thanks to Kevin for the tip!

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Many of the comments to this article just show that many people are not as smart as a reasonably intelligent three year old.

I see a million replies about people having trouble with the Win8 UI
and from my perspective how easy or hard it is "to figure out" is completely irrelevant.
They should not have done what they did. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
And with the sheer volume of info out there i sure as hell don't need to use it
for period of time in order to have a valid opinion.
I like the way my machine works right now. As i always have with every version of windows i modify everything conceivable. So i am that subset of users that are feeling neglected. The average user who does nothing but run the machine Dell sent them probably don't care about the changes and probably are those desktop icon people lol
With every version of windows that comes out there is more and more crap i have to disable on a fresh install such as services for example. And then the obligatory patching and mods and customizations i do to any OS i use. And my point is M$ has just made it that much harder to customize the OS so i can have it how I WANT IT and now how M$ wants me to have it..
When you have to manually setup a million computers of many years you do complain about little things, because little things add up after years of pulling out your windows discs.

I'm an,
Overclocker & Modder
PC gamer
Cracker
Coder
Graphics Artist
Audio / Video editor
Retired web designer

And i don't see or hear any focus or attention to people like me.
Great that's fine and dandy a 3 yr old can use the fancy new Fischer Price GUI
Who cares !

Lowest common denomitor..

And no i don't think anything new is happening its just that companies like M$ are getting more blatant and bold in their pandering and leaving many of us out in the cold and silently telling us we don't matter and we will do what we're told is unacceptable.

If there is enough people who share my views you will see what the result is
It may take time but companies having to make Start Menu replacements is just the beginning.
If M$ wants to shoot them selves in the foot then go ahead.. we'll see how well that works out for them in the long run.

I am Not PCyr said,
I see a million replies about people having trouble with the Win8 UI
and from my perspective how easy or hard it is "to figure out" is completely irrelevant.
They should not have done what they did. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
And with the sheer volume of info out there i sure as hell don't need to use it
for period of time in order to have a valid opinion.
I like the way my machine works right now. As i always have with every version of windows i modify everything conceivable. So i am that subset of users that are feeling neglected. The average user who does nothing but run the machine Dell sent them probably don't care about the changes and probably are those desktop icon people lol
With every version of windows that comes out there is more and more crap i have to disable on a fresh install such as services for example. And then the obligatory patching and mods and customizations i do to any OS i use. And my point is M$ has just made it that much harder to customize the OS so i can have it how I WANT IT and now how M$ wants me to have it..
When you have to manually setup a million computers of many years you do complain about little things, because little things add up after years of pulling out your windows discs.

I'm an,
Overclocker & Modder
PC gamer
Cracker
Coder
Graphics Artist
Audio / Video editor
Retired web designer

And i don't see or hear any focus or attention to people like me.
Great that's fine and dandy a 3 yr old can use the fancy new Fischer Price GUI
Who cares !

Lowest common denomitor..

And no i don't think anything new is happening its just that companies like M$ are getting more blatant and bold in their pandering and leaving many of us out in the cold and silently telling us we don't matter and we will do what we're told is unacceptable.

If there is enough people who share my views you will see what the result is
It may take time but companies having to make Start Menu replacements is just the beginning.
If M$ wants to shoot them selves in the foot then go ahead.. we'll see how well that works out for them in the long run.

So a 3 year old can use Windows 8 but a retired web designer can't yet spell "Denominator" or "Fisher Price" nor understand that "Microsoft" is abbreviated to "MS".

To answer your question "Who cares" ... well obviously you. You took the time to read the title, the full article and even more time to post a comment.

Really, I feel sorry for you. To be unable to spell and be retired and outsmarted by a 3 year old speaks volumes.

I have no problem with the windows 8 engine - just the User Interface. As a User I should not be able to pick my own User Interface and use that. You can do the same on Linux.

All Microsoft need to do is to write the underlying code for the User Interface, because as it stands I will not be touching Windows 8 with a barge pole. I'll wait for Windows 9, if that is still using the same crapping interface and Steam on Linux is working then I'm off to Linux land.

Nollauno said,
I have no problem with the windows 8 engine - just the User Interface. As a User I should not be able to pick my own User Interface and use that. You can do the same on Linux.

All Microsoft need to do is to write the underlying code for the User Interface, because as it stands I will not be touching Windows 8 with a barge pole. I'll wait for Windows 9, if that is still using the same crapping interface and Steam on Linux is working then I'm off to Linux land.

you meant *should right
I agree with your comment 100%

hjf288 said,
I was using DOS and windows 3.1 at 4 does that mean its simple and easy to use?

I think the folks suggesting that keyboard shortcuts are a good replacement for proper GUI segments are not too different from "CLI>GUI!!!!" folks...

Don't get me wrong, I work on Terminal roughly one hour a day at the moment, before that a little less, but right now I have it open 24/7 because I'm doing a lot of work on my file structures and CLI based actions are WAY faster.

I think it's personal preference all over, I for one can't stand a drag action across a 27"er to close something (something that I constantly do).
It just gets tiresome, especially coming from simple, quick and always present close buttons.

I fail to see the progress in so many GUI aspects of Windows 8 for a desktop.

Gestures as implemented in Windows 8 for the desktop are often just ridiculous when you're wasting so much usable screen space.
White space, I like it myself, but some people have a reason for owning a screen that's as big as or even bigger than a 27"er, think about it.


GS:mac

So simple a three year old can use it after being coached with it for who knows how long.

Edit: And even the kid got confused by it and had to be told how to do it lol.

microsoft is moving up in the tech world again. they are generating their own reality distortion field. how innovative. lmao.

The OS is really easy to use, with or without a touch input, Microsoft made a risky but wise decision.
I've got to master the OS in just couple of days, if I can you can too
the only temporary downfall of the OS is the poor selection of quality apps, but that's not Microsoft fault, give it a month or two and it will shine, when the OS is good it takes only time to fill the apps however apple - lots of apps but an ugly, static OS, well this is a problem.

Every single one of you that believe we are splittng the ATOM here or that the human brain can't adapt to new methods (think of all the users who adapted to the Apple UI) or think that this is beyond the capability of the brain, the most sophisticated, intricate instrument in the world.

IT'S AN OPERATING SYSTEM FFS!

Get over yourselves and stop whining.

Yes a three year old can learn SO CAN YOU.

You guys remind me of the Saturday night live sketch where the tech industry reporters moan about the issues with the iPhone. This is a NON ISSUE.

http://youtu.be/ybDKfGEw4aU

Doesn't seem legit...the father probably did the clicking..

-People wait for it! only few days left and we will know HOW GREAT WINDOWS 8! October 26. If this is going to be another VISTA, we will def know!

This proves this kid is smarter than his father lolz ...

IronChef75 said,
Waiting to hear what Chris Pirillo's father has to say.

IronChef75 said,
Waiting to hear what Chris Pirillo's father has to say.

Chris Pirillo's Father: "Are they trying to drive me to Mac?"
3 Year Old: "Are they trying to drive me to Fisher Price?"

I would've found this video more believable had the kid & computer all been in the same shot, not just a shot of the monitor, so I think the father was doing everything.

Wife and two kids use it. No complaints from anyone. It will take longer to adopt than 7 for sure but it's grown on me. I prefer it to 7 now.

68k said,
How Real People Will Use Windows 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU

So true. Kids will love Windows 8. First time users in general will love it. Your average user who was used to a certain thing for a long time will have a lot of problems at first. That is to be expected.

As for me, I don't like it so I will stick with Windows 7. However, if the Surface price goes down, I will buy it. I actually think Windows 8 will be very nice for that form factor and technology.

Don't call me a hater. It is my opinion.

its so funny hearing these people acting so concerned that "the consumer" wont know how to use the new operating system. when windows 8 boots up on the start screen,really, you have to be an idiot not to be able to know what is going on. you see your apps/tiles on the main screen,and you can see the store icon. once you click it,you see all the apps you can download. so what is there really to learn? getting back to the home screen? switching between apps. oh the horror, how will consumers ever learn this.

and in my computer tech years, ive learned that people dont even know how to use the explorer ui. they mostly have all their files and program shortcuts on the desktop,and thats it. you tell them to go to the start menu,and they say whats that? i highly doubt that any of that will be missed.

people are switching to tablets and such because they are portable, easy to use,not clunky,and they do what most people want to do on a computer.

and for those people that keep saying windows 8 is going to be a failure, i hate to break it to you but its nearly impossible for that to happen. even if your little fantasy came true and people didnt like it, there will still be hundreds of millions of copies installed on users machines,and developers are not going to be sitting on the sidelines and scratching their heads. people always talk about how vista was a failure, but it sold 400 million copies. but then you'll say thats because it comes preinstalled on every new PC. EXACTLY, windows 8 will be installed on every new PC.

this excuse about having to learn something new is so lame and weak, that it shows how defeated supporters of other platforms really feel.

cmon guys, us windows guys are having a good laugh at your guys' expense.

My little sister was only 5 when I installed the Consumers Preview on one of my PCs. I never explained anything to her, just turned on the computer, and she started moving trough the tiles, opened that painting app that comes with the OS and started painting. Then she stopped, closed the app, opened Internet Explorer and asked me to google some "princess games".
What did this teached me? That a 5 years old can use Windows 8 without a trouble and grown up adults can't because they're too busy bitching about it instead of sitting in the desk and using 5 seconds of their time understanding how it works.

Edited by EzeAris, Oct 21 2012, 1:15am :

EzeAris said,
My little sister was only 5 when I installed the Consumers Preview on one of my PCs. I never explained anything to her, just turned on the computer, and she started moving trough the tiles, opened that painting app that comes with the OS and started painting. Then she stopped, closed the app, opened Internet Explorer and asked me to google some "princess games".
What did this teached me? That a 5 years old can use Windows 8 without a trouble and grown up adults can't because they're too busy bitching about it instead of sitting in the desk and using 5 seconds of their time understanding how it works.

So given the 5 year old had prior knowledge of an internet browser application (and still incapable of searching on her own) this is not an amazing feat and can be accomplished with older operating systems hell even dos if they are paying attention they can pick up how to control it fairly quickly

Most "grown up adults" aren't complaining that they can't operate it but discovering "wow this is stupid" when determining how things have changed quite a different concept and a far more complicated thought process than what your little sister had performed but yeah whatever continue disregarding other peoples opinions because it doesn't align with yours

It's sad when I read that someone has been using w8 for a month and still cannot find the power button... Not sad on Microsoft's case, but sad on their own.

auziez said,
It's sad when I read that someone has been using w8 for a month and still cannot find the power button... Not sad on Microsoft's case, but sad on their own.

We are the techno-literate and therefore NOT representative of the 90% of the human race that is not.

If you look to the movies and where people computer interaction is going you wont see a windows 95 start menu anywhere in sight. and this is because people want to consume and control information and the new windows UI allows for this.

I remember going from DOS to windows 2 then up the versions and finding that the interface was getting better and now windows 8 is going from the computer controlling how you access your information to having the information at your finger tips (mouse pointer/gesture recognition, etc).

Windows 8 is in the same stage as windows 1 and 2 where the interface was just getting developed and people were still learning how to use the mouse and these funny icon things, now everyone is very familiar with the WIMP (windows icon mouse pointer) interface.

Microsoft is taking the next leap with windows 8 and giving us a new way to interact with the devices that will be the similar across all hardware types.

People complain about Metro as if now ALL programs are Metro. You don't have to use Metro if you don't want. Just remove all Metro apps from the Start screen and populate it desktop apps.

Don't want to use the Start screen? Use Start8. Don't want to use a program so you can use another that is now not the current version? Don't upgrade (if you don't have/need to).

Gaara sama said,
Not truth , this is a big propaganda from Microsoft and windows is totally a mess , back to windows 7 or xp

You saw with your own eyes that it was not a mess, that it worked in an intuitive way.

Is it really back to 7 or xp? Or have you never tried it?

And does this have to be propaganda by Microsoft? When you saw vids of people having problems with Windows 8, did you also automatically assume it was propoganda by Apple?

Instead of just trash talking it, why don't you explain your reason for not liking it?

Gaara sama said,
Not truth , this is a big propaganda from Microsoft and windows is totally a mess , back to windows 7 or xp

So you have not used it, so stop complaining ,it should not matter to you. This is the best OS and no one who uses it will ever want to go back to any other OS

Gaara sama said,
Not truth , this is a big propaganda from Microsoft and windows is totally a mess , back to windows 7 or xp
Well you can choose to deny the simplicity in Windows 8 but it's not a mess. Have fun using an inferior OS..

Gaara sama said,
Not truth , this is a big propaganda from Microsoft and windows is totally a mess , back to windows 7 or xp

Ok, besides the bitter and jaded comments about Win8...

Windows XP, really? How about just considering the lack of features in the 64bit version (that are not missing in Windows 7 64bit)? So you going to spend the next 10 years running with 4gb of RAM at most or give up a considerable amount of features in the base OS that is omitted from Windows XP 64bit?


Cut off nose, spite face. Brilliant

vhaakmat said,
Microsoft should make the power button pinnable to the start screen, that would stop 30% of the complainers

Yep, cause typing: turn off
And having Windows show you exactly where the button is, seems to be far to confusing for these brilliant power users.

After seeing Windows show them a couple of times, swiping open the charms bar and clicking settings should be easy.


The sad fact of this is that when people are setting up the PC or Tablet, they should be using the built in power management settings (that automatically sleeps/turns off) the computer for them after a period of inactivity. Or they should at least change the power options to work as they want, and NEVER fiddle with turning the system off again.

There is a reason why power states work, and work well, and how they can shut down the system fully and still never need to restart or 'boot'. The fact that Microsoft added fast Start to Windows 8 is to appease the idiots that do no understand power management and shut their computers off all the time.

Using a PC/Tablet/Notebook, the only time it should ever be 'turned off' is NEVER. And the only time it should ever to rebooted is for updates. The rest of the time it should be ON/Sleeping/Hibernated. PERIOD

thenetavenger said,

Yep, cause typing: turn off
And having Windows show you exactly where the button is, seems to be far to confusing for these brilliant power users.

Yeah, because typing with a KEYBOARD on a traditional MOUSE-driven GRAPHIC User Interface is how 95% of computer users have been doing it for 30 years...

No one has argued that people CAN'T do this. Those of us who have been dealing with computer users for 30 years are saying people shouldn't have to do this, won't understand things like invisible gadgets without being shown, and will forget what they've been shown over and over because there is nothing visual to work with anymore.

I love how Windows 8 has created polar opinions through the tech community. Either it's the worst thing ever, or its the best thing ever. And anyone who doesn't share my opinion is an idiot/moron/troll/dumb/hasn't used it/etc. And there's people going out of there way to prove their opinion as fact because apparently no one is allowed to have a different opinion than me about 8. "Hey look a 3 year old can use 8" "Hey look my parent's can't use 8" And apparently this invalidates the opinions of others whose opinions differ. It's rather humorous.

Panda X said,
I love how Windows 8 has created polar opinions through the tech community. Either it's the worst thing ever, or its the best thing ever. And anyone who doesn't share my opinion is an idiot/moron/troll/dumb/hasn't used it/etc. And there's people going out of there way to prove their opinion as fact because apparently no one is allowed to have a different opinion than me about 8. "Hey look a 3 year old can use 8" "Hey look my parent's can't use 8" And apparently this invalidates the opinions of others whose opinions differ. It's rather humorous.

I like Windows 8, but I'm ok with people that don't like it if they have used it for more than a day. I get angry at those who just heard from some guy on the internet that it sucks, and belive it...

Panda X said,
I love how Windows 8 has created polar opinions through the tech community. Either it's the worst thing ever, or its the best thing ever. And anyone who doesn't share my opinion is an idiot/moron/troll/dumb/hasn't used it/etc. And there's people going out of there way to prove their opinion as fact because apparently no one is allowed to have a different opinion than me about 8. "Hey look a 3 year old can use 8" "Hey look my parent's can't use 8" And apparently this invalidates the opinions of others whose opinions differ. It's rather humorous.

Every VERSION of Windows has created the same polarity. History shows that naysayers are the ones that get left behind and are relegated to the corner. Even Vista was a market success, and it had a lot of failures with vendor driver support issues.

(WinME is the only one that has any credibility of being a poor OS, and it sold well, but people still hated it, especially when Win2k, a far richer and heavier OS ran faster.)

well the start menu with the large colorful tiles looks like something from Fisher Price and the "apps" are mostly designed for IQ's of a 3 year old... ("apps" = amputated application with severe limited functionality)

HAckEur said,
well the start menu with the large colorful tiles looks like something from Fisher Price and the "apps" are mostly designed for IQ's of a 3 year old... ("apps" = amputated application with severe limited functionality)

Yeah no doubt. APPS remind me of the crappy little shareware programs back in the day.

HAckEur said,
well the start menu with the large colorful tiles looks like something from Fisher Price and the "apps" are mostly designed for IQ's of a 3 year old... ("apps" = amputated application with severe limited functionality)

Ah. So, you agree that it's easy to use then?

Wyn6 said,

Ah. So, you agree that it's easy to use then?


Yeah, it's designed for minors and mentally handicapped...

HAckEur said,
well the start menu with the large colorful tiles looks like something from Fisher Price and the "apps" are mostly designed for IQ's of a 3 year old... ("apps" = amputated application with severe limited functionality)

Wow, heard this crap before...

Windows 3.0 - A power user would not touch it, it is for idiots. (However, once a power user found out they could multi-task their favorite DOS apps without having to close work, they soon found themselves liking Windows. Then they found the nice features of WYSIWYG concepts in Apps, no longer fighting printer drivers and video drivers, and on and on, and fell in love.

Windows 95 - Toy like, too simplistic, Explorer opening folders is for idiots, real users still use File Manager DOS. However, when power users found they could do a lot more faster with a few folder windows opened, and using Drag and Drop, they loved it. The ability to search folders and moving to a document centric model was far more productive than people saving crap in Program folders.

Windows XP - Fisher Price UI - blah blah...

Vista - Glass horrible, Start Menu horrible, blah blah

Windows 8 - here we are again, with the same neophobic comments that do not posses the ability to see how the new user model is faster and more powerful, even for POWER USERs.

There are CLI commands you can issue from the Start Screen and Powershell features and a ton of things that are PROBABLY BEYOND your capabilities that work better in Windows 8, but you know better than the leading software and usability minds at Microsoft.

What is your background again that 'Trumps' Microsoft's level of understanding?

Unless you start with NSA or Aerospace and a specific mission, you will probably lose the argument against Microsoft. I can at least start with software engineering for the ISS, and I don't claim to understand UI or OS technology better than several people at Microsoft.

Time to learn and grow with the newer OS usability models. I would bet that you don't even use 10% of what Windows 7 gave you, and that is where the problem lies. Because if you used the start menu in Win7 properly, moving to the Start Screen in Win8 would be seamless.

Wow it must really be a slow weekend to post this Neowin.. How is this even news? There are hundreds of these "watch my 3 year do this..." videos on youtube.
The video doesn't even show anything impressive... If I showed my 3 year old niece how to click things on my computer I think she could repeat it for a video.

Yes, the kid is doing what his dad showed him to do....but guess what? That kid now knows how to use Windows 8. One of the biggest complaints largely from people in IT are that the training to use Windows 8 will be SO IMMENSE they will NEVER upgrade. So...a 3 year old can learn it, but apparently adults cannot.

underthebridge said,
Wow it must really be a slow weekend to post this Neowin.. How is this even news? There are hundreds of these "watch my 3 year do this..." videos on youtube.
The video doesn't even show anything impressive... If I showed my 3 year old niece how to click things on my computer I think she could repeat it for a video.

Most people have yet to try Windows 8 and already they hate it. Their biggest reason for it is that it is too difficult to understand. This kid showed that its easy and intuitive. The gestures makes sense to him as he says 'I go like this'. Windows 8 is something new, and peopel don't like change but this kid shows that it can be fun to explore a new UI.

I'm also a big fan of Windows 8's UI. From the get-go I liked it for touch devices (as I also liked WP7 on my phone). At first I didn't like it on PCs and I couldnt understand why Microsoft hadn't integrated the desktop in a more meaningful way. But after a few months (when I started to really use apps with modern UI functionality) I suddenly got it.

The new UI is better in every way, even on non-touch devices. Eventually the desktop should phase out but for now it should be there like DOS was on XP. I've become such a fan that it does **** me off when people trash talk Windows 8 while they clearly haven't even (seriously) tried it. So for me this video was a nice change of pace. It shows Windows 8 the way I've come to view it. Something amazing that makes using computers fun again, the same experience PCs gave me when I was growing up.

underthebridge said,
Wow it must really be a slow weekend to post this Neowin.. How is this even news? There are hundreds of these "watch my 3 year do this..." videos on youtube.
The video doesn't even show anything impressive... If I showed my 3 year old niece how to click things on my computer I think she could repeat it for a video.

The point is that a kid can use it and he's happy as he can be. The grumpy people around here should take a page out of his book and learn some new tricks.

I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

Then there is no hope for you. It takes 2 seconds to find out on google. HINT - its via the charms menu. Windows 8 is something new, how to you expect to know how to use something without first learning it? The fact that you have apparently made no effort to find out where the shutdown/restart buttons are is concerning.

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

It's now a setting...
/facepalm (not to you, good Sir)

GS:mac

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

Settings Charm>Power>Shut Down

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

Move your mouse to any of the right corners and pull it down. Press settings. Then press Power.
Or just press the physical button. I mean you have it, so why not use it.

Glassed Silver said,

It's now a setting...

GS:mac

Right...because it makes soooo much more sense to click "Start" when you want to Shutdown.

jakem1 said,

Settings Charm>Power>Shut Down

Why can't it be on the start screen like it is with the start menu? I would have never figured that out on my own. Thanks!

spy beef said,

Why can't it be on the start screen like it is with the start menu? I would have never figured that out on my own. Thanks!


The reason is probably because on a tablet you would end up pushing the power button to shut down. So it makes sense that you also have a power button on your desktop for the same purpose.

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

You didn't even try googling it? O.o

spy beef said,
I still don't know how to shut down my computer

The quickest way is to press Ctrl+Alt+Del and use the Power icon in the bottom right-hand corner.

spy beef said,

Why can't it be on the start screen like it is with the start menu? I would have never figured that out on my own. Thanks!

You can also press CTRL + ALT + DEL and you'll have shut down options in the bottom right corner... it's been like that since Vista...

Or when on the desktop, click anywhere and press ALT + F4, which brings up a shut down menu. How can you not know this stuff it's been in Windows for years...

Bob Baggins said,

The quickest way that I have found is press Ctrl+Alt+Del and use the Power icon in the bottom right-hand corner.

Of all the ways to do it, that is the one that I, too, usually seem to think of first

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

I'm always curious of the obsession to shutdown the computer when they are so efficient going into hibernation or sleep now.

spy beef said,

Why can't it be on the start screen like it is with the start menu? I would have never figured that out on my own. Thanks!

I agree, it's not immediately obvious but I suspect that billyea has the right answer. It's quite easy to get to once you know where to look.

notchinese said,

Right...because it makes soooo much more sense to click "Start" when you want to Shutdown.


Always made sence to me. You press "Start" to start the shutdown process. Makes sence.

spy beef said,

Why can't it be on the start screen like it is with the start menu? I would have never figured that out on my own. Thanks!

You never looked in the settings menu? If you had then you would have seen the button. BTW, there is also lots of other stuff in there worth checking out...

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

Or you can do windows Key +i and it will bring up the settings menu with power right there so simple it only took me 2mins if that to find the power here is a list of keyboard commends

Charms

Win+C: Open charms
Win+Q: Search charm
Win+H: Share charm
Win+K: Devices charm
Win+I: Settings charm


Search

Win+Q: Search apps
(tip: an even easier way to search apps is to just begin typing from the start screen)
Win+W: Search settings
Win+F: Search files


Windows 8 Apps

Win+Z: Get to app options
Win+.: Snap app to the left
Win+Shift+.: Snap app to the right
Ctrl+Tab: Cycle through app history
Alt+F4: Close an app


Desktop

Win+D: Open Desktop
Win+,: Peek at desktop
Win+B: Back to desktop


Other

Win+X: Open system utility settings menu
Win+PrntScrn: Take screenshot and save to Pictures
Win+Tab: Open switch list
Win+T: Preview open windows in taskbar
Win+U: Open Ease of Access Center
Ctrl+ESC: Start screen
Win+Enter: Open Windows Narrator

Glassed Silver said,

Nice red herring

GS:mac

Nice, you know how to identify logical fallacies!

Except you don't. It makes sense to point out that the shutdown button was in a stupid place. It's now somewhere else and the OP can't take 10 seconds to google how to shut down windows 8.

I can't even remember if I figured it out on my own or if I googled it or if I found out because of people's incessant whining online. Either way, I saw where it is and now I have no issues using it.

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

wow I'm suprised that after one month you still didnt know how to shut down in Windows 8,....i learned charm bar just in 5 minutes after using windows 8

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

At the Start Screen USE THE FACT YOU CAN START TYPING TO SEARCH.

And simply type:
Turn off

Windows will not only show you how to do it in the future, it will even give you settings and an App link that will do it for you.

Do people SERIOUSLY not ever use the inherent search functionality, where you can ask Windows to find you anything or how to do anything. This applies to finding a setting to change, an app to run, documents on your computer, or even movies available in netflix. FROM THE START SCREEN, JUST START TYPING.


As for the right way, well, your PC should shut itself off based on power management, so just Log Out. Or you can open the Charms Bar (Mouse to right bottom or top corner, swipe up or down, click settings - click Power.

Wow.

spy beef said,
I have been running Windows 8 for 1 month, and I still don't know how to shut down my computer other than pressing physical button on my case.

Honestly if you wanna shut it down then the power button is fine. These days the computer goes through the process. 15 years ago I'd have said it was a horrible idea. A hard shutdown still is.

But yeah it's 4 clicks to shutdown. No biggie.

jakem1 said,

Settings Charm>Power>Shut Down

I don't know how anyone in a sane state of mind thought putting "Shutdown" under "Settings" was a good idea.

Glassed Silver said,

It's now a setting...
/facepalm (not to you, good Sir)

GS:mac

You know what's REALLY scary?

How well Windows 8 recovers from PEBKAM (PErson Behind Keyboard And Mouse) errors.

I have, at various times, did all sorts of ungraceful shutdowns of my PC since Windows 8's various Previews hit the Internet - a lot of them, in fact, on purpose. These of the types of shutdowns that have been known to leave even Windows 7 an utterly unusable and unrecoverable wreck.

What happens with Windows 8? Basically nothing.

While the Recovery Mode is enhanced and improved over that of Windows 7, I've never needed to invoke it.

Nine hundred and ninety-nine times, Windows 8 will recover without even a hiccup. (The thousandth time, Windows 8 will both recover and fire off an error message to Microsoft letting them know exactly what went wrong.) It's like Superman with kryptonite-resistance.

Why are younger users having far less trouble than the older ones? That's easy enough - not as much to UNLEARN. The learning process with upgrades is never as difficult as the UNlearning process - and with the Start menu and the mouse bias it brought with it excised, there is a LOT to unlearn for the power mousers.

jakem1 said,

Settings Charm>Power>Shut Down

Alt+F4 on the desktop and you get the ancient window for rebooting/sleep etc. all in one, too

notchinese said,
Then there is no hope for you. It takes 2 seconds to find out on google.

It's a GRAPHIC User Interface.

No one should not have to search Google to find the Shutdown option.

No one should have to make the illogical leap that there might be INVISIBLE locations hidden on the screen that might do what he wants.

No one should have to use the KEYBOARD just find a program they want to run.

Windows 8 is NOT more productive.

Windows 8 is NOT more intuitive.

Windows 8 is NOT a better desktop operating system than Windows 7.

It is okay on a tablet -- which is where Microsoft should have left the Fisher Price-colored "Computers for Kiddies" front end.

Microsoft broke 30 years of best practices that EVERYONE across the world has grown up with...for no good reason at all.

Windows 8 is the New Coke of operating systems. 8(

notchinese said,
Then there is no hope for you. It takes 2 seconds to find out on google.
NoClipMode said,
You can also press CTRL + ALT + DEL and you'll have shut down options in the bottom right corner... it's been like that since Vista...

I find it completely oxymoron and funny when people defending simplicity of the new GUI by implying that you need to use Google or use keyboard shortcuts, because you can't figure it out from GUI itself.

excalpius said,

No one should not have to search Google to find the Shutdown option.

No one should have to make the illogical leap that there might be INVISIBLE locations hidden on the screen that might do what he wants.

No one should have to use the KEYBOARD just find a program they want to run.

Windows 8 is NOT more productive.

Windows 8 is NOT more intuitive.

Windows 8 is NOT a better desktop operating system than Windows 7.


I didn't have to. You know, hot corners, those things they've been talking about since 8 was announced? I investigated. Whee.

You don't have to use a keyboard for anything. It's just an alternative.

I find it more productive, intuitive, and absolutely better than Win7 once you've learned the basics.

People have complained about every new OS MS has ever released. So I'm horribly shocked right now.

EJocys said,

I find it completely oxymoron and funny when people defending simplicity of the new GUI by implying that you need to use Google or use keyboard shortcuts, because you can't figure it out from GUI itself.


"a month"
That's where the Google response comes up.

LUTZIFER said,

Always made sence to me. You press "Start" to start the shutdown process. Makes sence.

LOL! You make it sound likeca NASA launch sequence!!
"Honey, would you please start the the shutdown sequence on the TV"

Seriously, just get over it. It makes "sence", as you say.

This is what I love about Neowin. Someone mentions that they're having trouble with something, and people provided help while ridiculing and insulting the person.

Get off of your high horses people.

notuptome2004 said,

hmm, hello? in any previous windows you needs just the mouse, DUH

Or you can do windows Key +i and it will bring up the settings menu with power right there so simple it only took me 2mins if that to find the power here is a list of keyboard commends

Charms

Win+C: Open charms
Win+Q: Search charm
Win+H: Share charm
Win+K: Devices charm
Win+I: Settings charm


Search

Win+Q: Search apps
(tip: an even easier way to search apps is to just begin typing from the start screen)
Win+W: Search settings
Win+F: Search files


Windows 8 Apps

Win+Z: Get to app options
Win+.: Snap app to the left
Win+Shift+.: Snap app to the right
Ctrl+Tab: Cycle through app history
Alt+F4: Close an app


Desktop

Win+D: Open Desktop
Win+,: Peek at desktop
Win+B: Back to desktop


Other

Win+X: Open system utility settings menu
Win+PrntScrn: Take screenshot and save to Pictures
Win+Tab: Open switch list
Win+T: Preview open windows in taskbar
Win+U: Open Ease of Access Center
Ctrl+ESC: Start screen
Win+Enter: Open Windows Narrator

notchinese said,
Then there is no hope for you. It takes 2 seconds to find out on google. HINT - its via the charms menu. Windows 8 is something new, how to you expect to know how to use something without first learning it? The fact that you have apparently made no effort to find out where the shutdown/restart buttons are is concerning.

omg lol
mock the guy and tell him to google it ?
wow
uhhhhhhh
HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO <-- state the obvious

excalpius said,

Microsoft broke 30 years of best practices that EVERYONE across the world has grown up with...for no good reason at all.(

this + 1000

I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

What makes it so difficult in your opinion? Windows 8 is just as easy as any past version of Windows....that said most people are completely clueless and don't know how to use Windows 7 either so what's the difference?

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

But the way they did this IS better. Now I can have music playing in the bakground without it using up any graphics resources at all.

stop complaining, just learn how to use it and you will find it more efficient after a while, ive been using sfor about 2 months straight and ive never gone back to windows 7

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

I disagree. I like the fact that all Windows devices (tablets, laptops, desktops, etc.) share the same UI and I think MS made the right choice,

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

AMEN bro. ive been saying this for a year now. they will learn when w8 doesn't do as well as w7 did. maybe they will get their act together by w9 and rectify this mess.

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

Exactly. That's what I always say too.

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

THis is no compromise experience, use what is best suited for your specific need and application. The telemetry data shows clearly how the old start menu was used in a limited way and to make that touch friendly is another challenge. The new screen is much better than the limited start much and nothing to lose, The desktop is still there and you can still pin applications totaskbar or desktop or start menu.

This video clearly shows there is nothing to whine about, takes few minutes to learn and once you get used to it all other UIs seem outdated.

Great job Microsoft

shadodemon said,
They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?
Actually they did this in one of the best possible ways. It is easy to use and they even show at the beginning of the RTM a short summary on how to navigate inside it. And don't forget that Apple has merged parts of iOS into OS X. 2 examples: Notification Center & launchpad.

shadodemon said,
They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?
Actually they did this in one of the best possible ways. It is easy to use and they even show at the beginning of the RTM a short summary on how to navigate inside it. And don't forget that Apple has merged parts of iOS into OS X. 2 examples: Notification Center & launchpad.

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

And what about the customers that don't want to carry a separate tablet and a separate computer? They should be ignored, like Apple has done?

I would rather carry a nice i5/i7 Tablet that can also function as my notebook than two separate computers. Especially when Microsoft has been able to put the full functionality of Windows 8 into rather small tablet devices efficiently, even running the x86/x64 editions of Windows 8 with 30 years of backward compatibility.

If Apple could have shoved OS X into a tablet or even migrated it to ARM well, they would have. It was their original intent, and when it failed, they went with the iOS kernel that is based on XNU, but is NOT the same kernel as OS X.

shadodemon said,
I beg a differ that Windows 8 would be so easy to use. They should have just done a tablet version and desktop version, also left the start screen untouched for the desktop version! People dont say oh but the way they did it was better, if Apple did the same with the iOS and than streamlined it with there desktop OS why did Microsoft pick such horrible way to do this?

It IS easy to use. It's not rocket science. It's learning a couple of new methods of achieving something. There are no LESS than 5 ways to get from desktop to start screen. I really don't understand why people are baffled by it. Are we that stuck in our old ways? I'm running RTM and enjoy the old mixed with the new. I'm still learning it but if we stop learning then where's the fun in that?

jakem1 said,

I disagree. I like the fact that all Windows devices (tablets, laptops, desktops, etc.) share the same UI and I think MS made the right choice,

Exactly!

jakem1 said,

I disagree. I like the fact that all Windows devices (tablets, laptops, desktops, etc.) share the same UI and I think MS made the right choice,

Totally agree with this. This is what makes Win8 so exciting.