Windows 8 up to build 8184, beta right around the corner

Windows 8 was apparently a big hit at CES 2012, but it looks like Microsoft brought an older build version of the operating system, 8175.0.fbl_dev_dp4.111216-2019, to Las Vegas this week. Now Winunleaked.tk is reporting that the latest version of Windows 8 is in fact at 8184.0.winmain.120113-1850.

The numbering means that Microsoft is getting closer and closer to launching the much anticipated beta version of Windows 8 to the masses. As we reported earlier, a leaked road map for Windows 8 claims that from now until January 23, Windows 8 will be considered to be in pre-beta form at Microsoft. On January 23, Windows 8 will go into what is known as Beta Escrow.

After that, the leaked road map claims that Microsoft's own testers will then vote on which of the Windows 8 builds will in fact be the final beta build with the decision being made on January 28. The beta build will then be shown at an internal Microsoft preview on January 30.

The road map claims the target build number for the final beta will be 8200.winmain_win8b1. If Windows 8 is at build 8184, it's getting very close to the 8200 mark which means the beta should be arriving very soon. 

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Digitalx said,
Lets see if they drop another unusable on laptops and desktops bomb.

From what Microsoft has revealed to so, Windows-8 will be another unusable "bomb" for laptops and desktops. Why can't or won't Microsoft "come clean" and just tell people that Windows-8 is for tablets, period. Teasing laptop and desktop users with the Windows-8 vaporware serves no one well. [To those who think that adding a remove keyboard to a tablet makes Windows-8 "okay," wrong. You have just created a two piece laptop or a small-scaled desktop, and defeated all that "touchy-feely" stuff with Window-8.]

TsarNikky said,

From what Microsoft has revealed to so, Windows-8 will be another unusable "bomb" for laptops and desktops. Why can't or won't Microsoft "come clean" and just tell people that Windows-8 is for tablets, period. Teasing laptop and desktop users with the Windows-8 vaporware serves no one well. [To those who think that adding a remove keyboard to a tablet makes Windows-8 "okay," wrong. You have just created a two piece laptop or a small-scaled desktop, and defeated all that "touchy-feely" stuff with Window-8.]

And like most of the blogosphere (and a lot of normally clued-in technical users) you completely missed the point of why Metro has been showcased.

Metro wasn't showcased (especially beginning not just with the WDP, let alone since) because it would be the only UI choice - not for any formfactor. (In fact, Microsoft has flatly denied any such thing.) Metro is the showcased UI because it is exactly that - a new, and purely optional, UI.

If it (Metro) were to be the only UI, why is it that the traditional UI, and the applications that rely on it, is even an option? Further, have there not been screenshots of post-8102 desktops with the traditional UI? (There most certainly have - and they have been shown right here at Neowin.) In other words, there will actually be a real UI choice for Windows - one that hasn't been present in any way without third-party add-ons - for the first time in the history of Windows.

The lack of UI choice is the one thing that Linux distributions, UNIX, the BSDs - heck, even Android - have all had over Windows. Only OS X is as stultifying in the lack of UI choice as Windows has been - and the OS X marketshare - even including Hacks - is what percentage?

Lastly, does anyone remember when build 7989 leaked? It was, in fact, attacked over Metro being locked out - even on desktops. Along comes the Developer Preview, with a focus - correctly - being on the new - and quite optional - UI (Metro). Some brainy souls found a way to restore the traditional UI in the Developer Preview (proving that, just as Microsoft had itself said, the traditional UI was, in fact, still there - it was just locked down, as Metro was in 7989).

I downloaded the Developer Preview for three reasons -

1. First off, I'm a sometime-developer, that was looking to get back into development; the Developer Preview (with the tools, of course) was a painless, and utterly free, way to get into multiplatform development in a major way. From the workshops posted first during BUILD itself, and since, it turns out the development of multiplatform applications isn't that hard.

2. Secondly, I was also curious if those same development tools would allow for the writing of traditional applications - turns out that those same tools most certainly do allow for traditional application development.

3. Lastly - and this is critical - compatibility of traditional applications HAD to be tested - after all, there would not be all that many Metro applications at first. Some applications may NEVER have Metro-UI equivalents - ever. That meant that Metro and traditional applications HAD to cooperate - regardless.

Surprise, surprise - the Developer Preview smacked all three *pitches* out of the park - a decided surprise for a late alpha of Windows. (In fact, name a single late alpha of Windows that had that much support for the same applications that the shipping version of Windows did - I can't.) To do so with the *wrong* UI - unheard of, even outside of Windows. (How much backward compatibility does KDE 4 have with KDE 3.x? Or GNOME 3.x with GNOME 2.x?)

Microsoft has, with Windows 8, corrected the single most glaring omission compared to the non-Apple competition - lack of UI options (except from third parties) without breaking compatibility.

Metro is an option - not the default. With Metro also being able to handle traditional applications, there may not necessarily *be* a default UI, let alone a single UI.

Can someone tell me why the mere idea of an optional UI is being treated like the Beginning of the End?

KomaWeiss said,
I hope the beta isn't as bad as the DP version. D:

I use DP as main os... and it works the same as 7 if not better.

KomaWeiss said,
I hope the beta isn't as bad as the DP version. D:

It will be more feature-complete, if that's what you mean. The developer preview was exactly that: for developers. It had new frameworks in place for people to learn to code around and start building applications for. It wasn't meant to be used by 'the user'.

For all the months that build has been out, I've been constantly amazed by the inability from self-styled tech enthusiasts to grasp that simple concept (not you, but the blogosphere and professional media at large). Starting with the unveil, when the chumps at allthingsd were *offended* by the lack of a metro skin being ready and built into Office (a completely different division of MS), and continuing through months of 'feature analysis' all across the web, where every tiny little presence or absence was taken as incontrovertible proof of their interpretation of the direction MS would take with the OS.

But that was always the problem with tech writers: they get so wrapped up in the consumer perspective that they've boiled down the entire development process to (1) conceive, (2) sell, with little willingness to pay attention to everything that comes in between.

dagamer34 said,
Hmm, so they don't increment the build number every day? I guess that means no nightly builds...
There is a timestamp in the filenames so they could put one out daily if it compiles fast enough
8175.0.fbl_dev_dp4.111216-2019
8184.0.winmain.120113-1850
111216 = 2011-12-16
120113 = 2012-01-13

~Johnny said,
It's a bit big for nightly builds

Windows when in testing is compiled every day and sometimes even more than once a day. A lot of departments need 'up-to-date' code so everything needs to be kept in sync, this is why they have different 'branches' and why betas etc are usually from 'winmain' or a similar branch.

Every so often we get an angry rant in the tip email about individuals railing on Microsoft for being slow to roll-out betas/new versions of Windows. It's as if some people think putting out a new beta is just a casual process or MS purposely holds it back.

FMH said,
This post is very enlightening. Didn't know it was such a complex process!

Yeah... people do get worked up sometimes... I worked at DEC in VMS engineering... if you only knew what was required to get even a point release of the OS out. The process includes gov't certifications, test iterations, cycles of review to determine which bugs can go, which can't... etc. Btw... MOST bugs that get out are known by the OS development team, they simply didn't have the time or resources to meet the deadlines set by the business leaders - as opposed to the engineering leaders because there is a collaboration between the two - but it tends to lean toward the business because of their revenue concerns, etc.

sam232 said,
Can't wait for the BETA of Windows 8. Will bring back pleasant memories of testing the Windows 7 BETA.

Still what's the point of the news? Everybody knows that the beta will be made available to the public in the end of February, do we really need a news for every build ?

Anthonyd said,

Still what's the point of the news? Everybody knows that the beta will be made available to the public in the end of February, do we really need a news for every build ?

Yes, now shut the hell up

Anthonyd said,

Still what's the point of the news? Everybody knows that the beta will be made available to the public in the end of February, do we really need a news for every build ?

people on a certain tracker are always asking
"why was this software uploaded when we could download it from the official site?"

the response to this is
"because its been made easier for people to find it, see it, compare their version with the latest and 34093049349 other reasons"

same goes for this article, if you have trouble understanding such simple things, im afraid you have problems

Saex_Conroy said,

people on a certain tracker are always asking
"why was this software uploaded when we could download it from the official site?"

the response to this is
"because its been made easier for people to find it, see it, compare their version with the latest and 34093049349 other reasons"

same goes for this article, if you have trouble understanding such simple things, im afraid you have problems


What? You mean downloading the W8 builds? Which is illegal?

I wouldn't complain if the news was talking about new features introduced in that build, here it's just a poor news. Just follow the W8 thread on the forum, it has more infos than this "news".

Anthonyd said,

Still what's the point of the news? Everybody knows that the beta will be made available to the public in the end of February, do we really need a news for every build ?

Because some news is better than no news.

Anthonyd said,

Still what's the point of the news? Everybody knows that the beta will be made available to the public in the end of February, do we really need a news for every build ?

Yes and we don't need sexually frustrated crybabies like you to complain about anything they could find. If you don't like the news, don't click on it.

Scar said,

Yes and we don't need sexually frustrated crybabies like you to complain about anything they could find. If you don't like the news, don't click on it.


Um, I personally enjoy the little reminders that progress is still being made on Windows 8 (and any version of Windows), and I personally disagree with Anthonyd's dislike of the news (though sometimes I think Neowin needs to more strongly embrace a multi-column approach and stuff this under a ticker-style, headline-only area), but...

Holy hell, you need to calm down. How exactly does it make you feel like the better person when you throw schoolyard insults around?

I mean, 'sexually frustrated'? Did he insult your mom or something? Grow up, man.