Windows 8.1 9374 walkthrough video

With the leak of 9374, we expect to learn more about Microsoft's plans for Windows 8.1 which will debut later this year, but before that happens, we have a walkthrough of the build that will show you some of the early changes to the platform.

Seeing that the last leak was 9369, this build is likely very similar to 9369 and may not show many new major features. But, even though the builds are relatively close together, there are a few new items for you to sink your teeth into and Winbeta.org has compiled a video for your viewing pleasure.

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Person in the video has fundamentally misunderstood the purpose of Kiosk mode which is to allow organisations to offer a single app experience, perhaps in the lobby of a building or at a museum and to then not have users exit back into Windows. This is not the option to disable "Metro" and boot straight to Desktop.

How would anyone logout from kiosk mode and In my opinion this feature is useless unless you want to protect from your working system from kids.

Almost everything he showed is in Windows 8.

Even that all apps button is in the current Windows 8, its just in a different spot. You right click on the open screen and the icon pops up. He seems to think its new.

Just another example of Windows 8 getting treated unfairly because so many don't realize what it can do.

jd100 said,
Almost everything he showed is in Windows 8.

Even that all apps button is in the current Windows 8, its just in a different spot. You right click on the open screen and the icon pops up. He seems to think its new.

Just another example of Windows 8 getting treated unfairly because so many don't realize what it can do.


um, no, what i'm talking about is all those additional options in that control panel, the multitasking improvements, the file explorer, and so on. Those make a huge difference for me, and those bits are definitely new.

Windows 8 had it right until the developer build, and everything after that just went downhill and now has reached a bottomless pit where they're is no escape from the crocodiles of death.

In regards to the video - I couldn't stop laughing and everything he did in the video I kept asking myself: "why is he clicking all these things when he can just do the same thing in 2 clicks from the desktop?" Anyway, until a modder rips out the Metro stuff altogether from 8 than there is 0 reason to use it. Regards - the 95% of the worlds population who think Windows 8 needs to be flushed down the toilet and never spoken of again.

Most of the video was the control panel. What exactly was he doing there with more clicks than it takes on the desktop control panel?

He also showed sorting options for apps in the start screen, like by date, etc. Is that done in less clicks on the desktop too?

Why does the reviewer expect to get to the Start Screen while Kiosk Mode is enabled? I mean that is the whole point of Kiosk Mode. Also why is he getting frustrated that the software has some bugs still? I mean it is not even an official beta where you would expect a certain fit and finish level. Just annoying.

Unless there is a mechanism to reclaim the functionality and look-n-feel of Windows-7--especially critical for those of us in office settings who have "real work" to do and production deadlines to meet--Windows-8 will just appeal to mobile device users and gamers.

TsarNikky said,
Unless there is a mechanism to reclaim the functionality and look-n-feel of Windows-7--especially critical for those of us in office settings who have "real work" to do and production deadlines to meet--Windows-8 will just appeal to mobile device users and gamers.

Check the needle, the record keeps skipping.

Do you realize how you sound? Seriously, do you? There is nothing missing from 8 that will make you less functional for "real work". And don't say start button because you don't get "real work" done by using the start button. Do you have to adjust, yes, but you can still get everything done you could in 7.

You obviously haven't given Windows 8 a proper try. We use Windows 8 at work (yes, in a large corporate environment), and we have not experienced any loss in productivity or meeting deadlines. There's not too much different from Windows 7, other than the added "Modern" UI, which you don't even have to use except for initial startup. Learn to use it before actually saying bullcrap like that.

I said it with the first leak when this guy did a first look video, but he just seems a bit stupid. If he'd taken the extra second to read the line of text at the top of the Kiosk mode settings he'd have seen it says you can launch any *immersive* app, i.e., Metro apps only. He then also seems surprised that it locks you to just the selected app, like he doesn't understand the word "Kiosk".
Please Winbeta, find someone else to make these videos for you. Guy seems nice, and if I remember from the first video he was using his MS account and looked cute in the picture on his SkyDrive tile, so if he wants a boyfriend call me, but asking to read and comprehend one line of text that would've halved the length of that video isn't a massive request.

He does read the string of text. He's only saying stuff about the desktop because recent reports we're claiming you'd be able to boot into the desktop via a Kiosk mode.

Also, Kiosk Mode is buggy, which is why he was trying to access the Start Screen and Charms while in Kiosk Mode.

Nice video, but there were parts that were super annoying. The person doing the video needs to take care of not nauseating or angering their audience.

Great video, I can't wait for the blue release.

P.S. I need that recording application, apsolutely fast (or this just depends of pc performace?

Because it shows the PC settings home undercontruction, that may be where they are adding boot to desktop and switch on start button! They might not add those until the final build!

I don't see why having a button for the Start Screen would really need to be an option. No one will complain if it's there. Boot to desktop will be an option though.

It should be clear that the lock system option is not the same as boot to desktop, which Paul Thurrott has said is coming in a build after Build 2013.

dagamer34 said,
I don't see why having a button for the Start Screen would really need to be an option. No one will complain if it's there. Boot to desktop will be an option though.

Reintroducing the Start button will add some inconsistencies to the UI (why do I have a button to open the Start Screen on the desktop but nowhere else?) so it potentially makes sense to add it as an option and leave it off by default. It will be interesting to see how MS handle this if the reports are true and they do intend to bring it back.

Looking forward to the build which adds boot-to-deskop and the start button. Until then, this is nothing but Windows 8 with a few tweaks of dubious value. (Useless for real work.)

Windows Nashville said,
(Useless for real work.)
So you're saying that me using Photoshop, Premiere, 3DS Max, Visual Studio 2012, Word, Excel, etc on Windows 8 is me not doing real work? I supose all this money I'm getting from this is not real money either?

Serioulsy, Windows 8 is much better for real work with BitLocker, Storage Spaces, Sync Everywhere, Hyper-V, PowerShell, etc.

Exactly, people who say that the new Start screen gets in the way of their "productivity" are just stupid IMO and probably the ones not doing real work. "Oh no I can't see my other apps while briefly launching another one" See how stupid that sounds?

What's funny is that the new search pane here appears to actually provide you a way to launch new (non-taskbar-pinned) apps without a view change. The fact that people aren't even noticing this suggests to me their real issues were more about "branding" and change aversion than any particular functional problem.

PmRd said,
So you're saying that me using Photoshop, Premiere, 3DS Max, Visual Studio 2012, Word, Excel, etc on Windows 8 is me not doing real work? I supose all this money I'm getting from this is not real money either?

Not at all. I'm saying that I don't believe a word of your claims.

Windows Nashville said,

Not at all. I'm saying that I don't believe a word of your claims.

My stupidity detector is off the charts

It's funny that you think that Windows 8 cripples all existing software and renders workstations useless, because I seem to be a witness of the contrary

its not about going to a fullscreen start page to launch another app. people doing "productivity' stuff probably have all the stuff they need pinned to the task bar or desktop anyway. launching anything else will require you to navigate to the start button, then to the apps section, then look for the icon in a sea of mess. the all programs list was NEVER ideal, but it was all there.
and excuse me, but a visible search bar (start button), is waaaaaaay more intuitive than a nonexistant search field on the start screen. took me ages to find out the start screen works that way because well. WHY WOULD IT?

Julius Caro said,

Your complaint is the equivalent of saying: "Using a car is complicated you have to go behind it and push it to your destinaton"

Hmm no.. you start the engine, press the pedals and turn the steering. Nothing "intuitive" about that.. but if you now how it works it's easy. That's why humans invented the "user manual" and "tutorials".

If you have to navigate a sea of mess to find a program you frequently use then you probably should have pinned that icon to the start screen or used the search function which works the same way it always did in Windows 7

No. I just don't like paying good money for things that look tacky. It never used to look like a children's painting program..... Not all of us are entranced by the East.

I don't think you wank to use the lock down feature in that manner. I don't think its going to do what he thinks it's going to do.

Gee, look how easily he gets around Windows 8 with a mouse and no start button.

Just sayin.


So, it looks like "Kiosk Mode" is going to be your "Boot to Desktop".

Dot Matrix said,
Gee, look how easily he gets around Windows 8 with a mouse and no start button.

Just sayin.

As predictable as the sun setting and the earth spinning. You have became an Internet cliche my friend.

Dot Matrix said,

So, it looks like "Kiosk Mode" is going to be your "Boot to Desktop".

No, this is likely for corporate apps, point of sale type stuff, etc... it will lock the user down from doing anything. Nothing a home user is going to use. Unless you only want your kid to open Fresh Paint and literally do nothing else on the PC.

Dot Matrix said,
Gee, look how easily he gets around Windows 8 with a mouse and no start button.

No, the better point to be made is - just look at what a mess he is having to navigate through.
- Sometimes in the desktop (with windows), sometimes in "modern" apps (fullscreen).
- Sometimes huge oversized tiles, sometimes small dropdown menus. If he can cope with the little ones, why does he need the huge ones?
- Skipping between light-coloured backgrounds (control panel functions) and dark coloured backgrounds (start screen) - almost epilepsy-inducing since they take up the whole screen and whole field of view.
- All the fullscreen stuff means he can't then see other open windows on his desktop.

What is his screen resolution, why is it so often wasted? - if he can have several open windows on his desktop and use them satisfactorily, why is he forced to go fullscreen for so many other functions?

The REAL lesson - Win8 may be good for touchscreens, but for desktops it's so obviously a botched up phone interface and it's still a pain.
Just sayin. ;-)

gb8080 said,

- Skipping between light-coloured backgrounds (control panel functions) and dark coloured backgrounds (start screen) - almost epilepsy-inducing since they take up the whole screen and whole field of view.
OMG.. please stop using computers now, you are going to die.

PmRd said,
OMG.. please stop using computers now, you are going to die.

Of all the points he brought up, you choose that as your focus? The UI is far from consistent, which is the point. Did you miss that?

Dot Matrix said,
Gee, look how easily he gets around Windows 8 with a mouse and no start button.

Just sayin.

It's possible to maneuver through ****, but is it ideal?

Just askin'.

srprimeaux said,

Of all the points he brought up, you choose that as your focus? The UI is far from consistent, which is the point. Did you miss that?

All his points are dumb, I just focused on the dumbest. The UI is not inconsistent if you look at the desktop as being an app. I'm pretty sure in Windows 9 the desktop will be virtualized making it a true app.

gb8080 said,

No, the better point to be made is - just look at what a mess he is having to navigate through.
- Sometimes in the desktop (with windows), sometimes in "modern" apps (fullscreen).
- Sometimes huge oversized tiles, sometimes small dropdown menus. If he can cope with the little ones, why does he need the huge ones?
- Skipping between light-coloured backgrounds (control panel functions) and dark coloured backgrounds (start screen) - almost epilepsy-inducing since they take up the whole screen and whole field of view.
- All the fullscreen stuff means he can't then see other open windows on his desktop.

What is his screen resolution, why is it so often wasted? - if he can have several open windows on his desktop and use them satisfactorily, why is he forced to go fullscreen for so many other functions?

The REAL lesson - Win8 may be good for touchscreens, but for desktops it's so obviously a botched up phone interface and it's still a pain.
Just sayin. ;-)

Umm... all your points are invalid because EVERYTHING is still accessible from desktop mode. The only time you NEED to be in a fullscreen mode is the Start screen, which is only on initial startup or when you're launching an app that's not pinned to your start bar or desktop. It's a better version of Windows 7, with a simply overlay on top. We use it at work and haven't seen any reduction of productivity.

Also, the reason why things are stretched out and not properly resolution is because he's using a VM machine, therefore it's not how the actual system looks on a proper install.

Get your facts straight buddy.

hagjohn said,
Since when was the desktop an "app"?

On the one hand it has always been as it's just presented by explorer.exe... On the other Hand it's not an app in the modern sense as apps can't create new processes (start applications)...

MFH said,

On the one hand it has always been as it's just presented by explorer.exe... On the other Hand it's not an app in the modern sense as apps can't create new processes (start applications)...

But in this context it's not a modern app, which is what Kiosk seems to be looking for.

hagjohn said,

But in this context it's not a modern app, which is what Kiosk seems to be looking for.


I think I never claimed so
I wanted to point out that it depends on your definition whether the Desktop is an App or not. I personally don't consider it to be one as it's capabilities are far beyond anything an app will ever offer...

gb8080 said,

No, the better point to be made is - just look at what a mess he is having to navigate through.
- Sometimes in the desktop (with windows), sometimes in "modern" apps (fullscreen).
- Sometimes huge oversized tiles, sometimes small dropdown menus. If he can cope with the little ones, why does he need the huge ones?
- Skipping between light-coloured backgrounds (control panel functions) and dark coloured backgrounds (start screen) - almost epilepsy-inducing since they take up the whole screen and whole field of view.
- All the fullscreen stuff means he can't then see other open windows on his desktop.

What is his screen resolution, why is it so often wasted? - if he can have several open windows on his desktop and use them satisfactorily, why is he forced to go fullscreen for so many other functions?

The REAL lesson - Win8 may be good for touchscreens, but for desktops it's so obviously a botched up phone interface and it's still a pain.
Just sayin. ;-)


Excellent my friend. Windows 8 is confused about what it wants to be. Hey, I'm a tablet, wait, I'm a phone, never mind, I'm a desktop.

PmRd said
All his points are dumb, I just focused on the dumbest. The UI is not inconsistent if you look at the desktop as being an app. I'm pretty sure in Windows 9 the desktop will be virtualized making it a true app.

Are you kidding? Have you ever installed Windows 8? That alone shows the inconsistencies of the OS.

srprimeaux said,

Are you kidding? Have you ever installed Windows 8? That alone shows the inconsistencies of the OS.

Lol, if I ever installed Windows 8? I've been using it as my primary OS since the first preview and if you read my post below you'll see that I do a lot of real work on it.

The desktop acts as an app and there is nothing inconsistent about it. It's like running an emulator, except that it's still deeply integrated into the core OS. Like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure it will be removed from the core and will be virtualized in Windows 9 making the system imune from malware.

As more and more apps become available in the windows store or become more web based the need for a desktop (for consumers) will be gone except for running old software, kind of like using dosbox to run old games or XP mode on windows 7.

Microsoft has done an excellent job creating a unified and safe platform for developers and consumers and Windows 8 is the first step towards this great future for consumer-friendly computing.

Edited by PmRd, Apr 21 2013, 2:46am :

PmRd said,
Lol, if I ever installed Windows 8? I've been using it as my primary OS since the first preview and if you read my post below you'll see that I do a lot of real work on it.

Well, if you installed Windows 8, you'll know what I'm talking about. Do you install Windows 8 using the modern UI? No. When you enter your password via touch to log in and you want to bring up the keyboard again because you entered in something wrong, what do you get when you click on the accessibility icon on the lower left, you get a totally different keyboard!

And let's go to the Start Screen itself and see all the consistent UI icons that are displaying themselves so beautifully. Oh wait, there's no such thing! You have nice icons for metro-style applications but horrendous icons for desktop applications that show an often pixelated icon surrounded by a clear-like square that's begging to be touched (on a non-touch screen!).

Now that we're on the Start Screen, let's touch/click the Control Panel icon. Oh crap, no more metro-UI! We're now brought to the standard Control Panel as it existed in Windows 7. If I were on a touch device, how the hell am I suppose to intuitively move around in here? Can you say: inconsistent?

There are some good things, but c'mon ... open your eyes to the bad as well.


srprimeaux said,

Well, if you installed Windows 8, you'll know what I'm talking about. Do you install Windows 8 using the modern UI? No. When you enter your password via touch to log in and you want to bring up the keyboard again because you entered in something wrong, what do you get when you click on the accessibility icon on the lower left, you get a totally different keyboard!

And let's go to the Start Screen itself and see all the consistent UI icons that are displaying themselves so beautifully. Oh wait, there's no such thing! You have nice icons for metro-style applications but horrendous icons for desktop applications that show an often pixelated icon surrounded by a clear-like square that's begging to be touched (on a non-touch screen!).

Now that we're on the Start Screen, let's touch/click the Control Panel icon. Oh crap, no more metro-UI! We're now brought to the standard Control Panel as it existed in Windows 7. If I were on a touch device, how the hell am I suppose to intuitively move around in here? Can you say: inconsistent?

There are some good things, but c'mon ... open your eyes to the bad as well.

Maybe you should open your eyes for the good things.

Dot Matrix said,
Gee, look how easily he gets around Windows 8 with a mouse and no start button.

Just sayin.


So, it looks like "Kiosk Mode" is going to be your "Boot to Desktop".

I don't think so only modren app will have this functionality.

Studio384 said,

Maybe you should open your eyes for the good things.

Since I'm able to admit that there are good things, I think it's obvious that I have. Those who think Windows 8 is this revolution with no problems are those who have their heads in the sand shouting, "Don't confuse us with the facts!"

JHBrown said,

Excellent my friend. Windows 8 is confused about what it wants to be. Hey, I'm a tablet, wait, I'm a phone, never mind, I'm a desktop.

AND most importantly, I am a user! When will Microsoft listen?