'Windows 8.1 update 1 with Bing' build leaks, raises questions

A new build of Windows 8.1 update has leaked but unlike the previous leaks, the phrase ‘with Bing’ is included with the build that is a deviation from past releases. The leak comes from a partner build of Connected Core that has been leaked in both x86 and x64 flavors; the build number for this leak is 17024 whereas the last Windows 8.1 update leak had a build number of 17025.

The interesting thing about this leak is the ‘with Bing’ attribute as this has not been seen in previous leaks of the update 1 for Windows 8.1.

It’s not surprise that Windows 8 (in all variants) ships with Bing built in as the apps and search are now part of the OOBE. But this build specifically calls out Bing in the terms and service agreements as well as within the watermark in the bottom right corner.

The partner build aspects points to the fact that this build is intended for partners and may not be released as a general public build. What could this mean? Well, Microsoft could have another install of Windows 8.1 that does not have Bing as built in as deeply as the vanilla flavor of Windows 8.1 Update 1. While this could seem odd, it could reflect the EU's love affair with taxing Microsoft for baking in its own services deeply into the OS.

Of course, it would seem more likely, if the above were true, that the build would be called ‘with Internet Explorer’ as that’s where Microsoft got dinged last time around, but for now, it’s only a simplified observation and not a statement of fact.

Windows 8.1 update 1 is expected to arrive in April and will be distributed via Windows update, rather than through the Windows Store. Many expect that Microsoft will announce Windows 8.1 update 1 at its BUILD conference that takes place the first week of April.

The distribution through Windows update seems to make a bit more sense than the Windows Store as there are not any major features being introduced only minor tweaks across the board. Unlike the 8.1 update that brought back the Start button, to the layman user, they may not notice many of the new features at first as most of them are quite subtle.

With about 5 weeks until the conference kicks off, we don't have to wait too much longer to learn more about the update for Windows 8.1.

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While this could seem odd, it could reflect the EU's love affair with taxing Microsoft for baking in its own services deeply into the OS.

Microsoft was fined because it violated a legally binding agreement made with the EC. If the company had abided by the ruling it wouldn't have had to pay a single dollar. Neowin needs to cut it with the anti-EU propaganda.

All operating systems have bugs and problems but all is not as easy to find or even discover, as this requires a lot of time to try different things

and now i just guessing this is just and alpha version for now for maybe beta version

If one doesn't want "Bing," then what?
Windows-8 had enough problems with the non touch-centric set it when originally issued...and now this? One can only hope that one can opt-out of "Bing," just as MS should have given one the choice of UI to use with Windows-8.

TsarNikky said,
If one doesn't want "Bing," then what?
Windows-8 had enough problems with the non touch-centric set it when originally issued...and now this? One can only hope that one can opt-out of "Bing," just as MS should have given one the choice of UI to use with Windows-8.

exactly! except certain people around here will publically castrate people like us for even mentioning this.

You can already turn off Bing integration with 8.1's search, or did you not know this? There's no way they'll ever make it mandatory because they know they'll be slapped with a multi-million dollar fine faster than they can say Bing.

You can most certainly opt-out of Bing (or any default search setting), at least on non-Google browsers (including IE and Firefox/derivatives - even though most of the Firefox derivatives, and Firefox itself, default to Google). The sixty-four-euro question - how easy is it to opt-out of Google being the default search on Chrome?

By now people should have enough sense to uncheck what they don't want. As for Bing this is nothing new since it already is part of 8.1's search (minus the toolbar) and can be turned off. Speaking of toolbars and malware, nothing beats Google bundling its crap with everything out there.

Internet Explorer 11.0.7? I see that 11.0.4 will come in March, but what happened to 11.0.5 and 11.0.6? I did expect more something like 11.1.

funny. MS bundles any little app with windows 8 which has a relatively low usage share and the EU goes up in a rage.

Google bundles the crap out of everything on everything and the EU has tea time with Larry doing naughty things in the google SF barge.

neonspark said,
funny. MS bundles any little app with windows 8 which has a relatively low usage share and the EU goes up in a rage.

Google bundles the crap out of everything on everything and the EU has tea time with Larry doing naughty things in the google SF barge.

That totally explains the EU's Anti-trust case against Google.

SharpGreen said,

That totally explains the EU's Anti-trust case against Google.

Well prety much: it does. Google is gettings, once again, away with it. If they get charged, they won't have to pay billions like Microsoft had to (3,4 billion dollar on this moment). The last time a charge was mentioned, it was something around 10 million... EU and Google are big friends, and it's not going to change any time soon.

Studio384 said,
Well prety much: it does. Google is gettings, once again, away with it. If they get charged, they won't have to pay billions like Microsoft had to (3,4 billion dollar on this moment). The last time a charge was mentioned, it was something around 10 million... EU and Google are big friends, and it's not going to change any time soon.

So having to promote a competitor's crap products for free is getting away with it? Wow. I didn't know that.

So, OEMs can partner with Bing Search - as they do with Yahoo or Google today, maybe? Think - this is a PARTNER-targeted build; it's not intended even for general OEM use. OEM deals with search providers other than Bing is certainly legal - such as Samsung's deal with Google even their Windows 8.x hardware; however, suddenly it's Bing and the knives come out?

How hypocritical.

PsYcHoKiLLa said,
So if it's "with bing", are they gonna put Cortana in there too? Will she be the new clippy?

as long if she isn't the new BOB...

Praetor said,
as long if she isn't the new BOB...

The only thing wrong with Bob was the implementation.
We're still chasing the concept of Bob to this day, and MS extensively with Modern everywhere.

Heck, All my Windows Phones are named as some derivative of MSBob.

Very true: at the time Bob already had a fully vectorized desktop. Granted the UI was too much Kindergarten style and was expensive. Along came Windows 95.... and later we got Merlin and co.

Maybe it is a placeholder for the cortana digital assistant being included since it leverages so heavily from bing.

Updating Windows 8 through the store was to increase the number of "app downloads" in the store and force the Windows 8 users to proceed setting up their system with a Microsoft Account. No other reason for not supplying it with the "windows update"

Agree. Really, the whole new Modern UI was a suppose to be a way to force users to the Windows Store. I'm not sure it's working though.

Well they have to do it. A store is the way the competition generates the revenue. They had to find a way to get the revenue of their windows products.

JHBrown said,
Agree. Really, the whole new Modern UI was a suppose to be a way to force users to the Windows Store. I'm not sure it's working though.

No, it wasn't.

Dot Matrix said,

No, it wasn't.

It was one of the ways for Microsoft to push their App Store. Just like you believe desktop apps should go away and modern apps rule the world. Creating a Microsoft account during initial setup is another hint that getting users to that App Store is a priority. Yes, I know it is not the only reason, but it is a big reason.

JHBrown said,
It was one of the ways for Microsoft to push their App Store. Just like you believe desktop apps should go away and modern apps rule the world. Creating a Microsoft account during initial setup is another hint that getting user to that App Store is a priority.

There were many reasons Metro was included in Windows. Forcing users into the store wasn't one of them.

Dot Matrix said,

There were many reasons Metro was included in Windows. Forcing users into the store wasn't one of them.

Well I disagree with that. However, I respect your opinion.

-adrian- said,
Well they have to do it. A store is the way the competition generates the revenue. They had to find a way to get the revenue of their windows products.

Their competition gives away their OS for free though!

-adrian- said,
Updating Windows 8 through the store was to increase the number of "app downloads" in the store and force the Windows 8 users to proceed setting up their system with a Microsoft Account. No other reason for not supplying it with the "windows update"

There's a few differences here that people are forgetting, the 8.1 update was installed/upgraded like a full OS upgrade has always happened. This coming update installs and is treated like any service pack before it, so it's going out through WU.

While I don't deny the fact it helped to bring the windows store to the forefront that's not the only reason it was pushed out from there.

Going forward every major OS update will go out through the store so you can buy it as well.

Dot Matrix said,
There were many reasons Metro was included in Windows. Forcing users into the store wasn't one of them.

If they were in no way interested in that, and if Metro turns out to be the future of Windows apps in general (as you yourself have claimed before), then it's a bit strange that Microsoft doesn't allow regular users to sideload Metro apps isn't it ?!

CJEric said,

If they were in no way interested in that, and if Metro turns out to be the future of Windows apps in general (as you yourself have claimed before), then it's a bit strange that Microsoft doesn't allow regular users to sideload Metro apps isn't it ?!

I don't know, but if Microsoft wanted to force users to the store, then they would have, and you would know it. But there are ways to still create local accounts in Windows 8 and 8.1.

Dot Matrix said,

I don't know, but if Microsoft wanted to force users to the store, then they would have, and you would know it. But there are ways to still create local accounts in Windows 8 and 8.1.

you and I have gone back and forth about the modern UI and I admit this in front of everyone here. But the monster in the room was neglected by myself and I ignored thie biggest proof as the fact that MSFT wants to force people to the modern UI.

on boot up! if I didn't use classic shell. I would be taken to the start up screen(Modern UI) by default. Since I installed classic shell, Then AND only then, did classic shell override the default settings set by MSFT to allow me to boot to desktop.

That's the proof in the pudding. I wonderd what evidence(s) I had at my disposal to prove my point. -man.. it was right there all the time..

ditoax said,
Their competition gives away their OS for free though!
"Free"? What a joke, considering you pay through the nose for overpriced hardware.

Sounds to me like it's late enough for MS to finalize the branding.

I think this release will be named "Windows 8.1 with Bing", not "Windows 8.1 Update 1".

It's a move to market Bing.

Northgrove said,
Sounds to me like it's late enough for MS to finalize the branding.

I think this release will be named "Windows 8.1 with Bing", not "Windows 8.1 Update 1".

It's a move to market Bing.

nope. try again.

George P said,
So IE is up to 11.0.7 now, wonder what changed from the last leaked build that had 11.0.3.

Might be the two recent Flash player updates, along with a conventional tweak or two.

George P said,
So IE is up to 11.0.7 now, wonder what changed from the last leaked build that had 11.0.3.

hopefully it works? lately IE11 locks up alot on me and my system is quite clean.

Microsoft© Windows© 8.1 Update 1 Professional Edition With Media Center© With Bing© With Windows© Internet Explorer© 11

Dot Matrix said,
Microsoft© Windows© 8.1 Update 1 Professional Edition With Media Center© With Bing© With Windows© Internet Explorer© 11

you're using the wrong symbols ® is the correct one

Oh god i hate Bing... First thing to do after a fresh windows install even before drivers is set start page to google or blank, and change search engine to google...... Also to install another browser normally Chrome or Opera (for opera turbo to bypass UK restricted sites).

Vester said,
Oh god i hate Bing... First thing to do after a fresh windows install even before drivers is set start page to google or blank, and change search engine to google...... Also to install another browser normally Chrome or Opera (for opera turbo to bypass UK restricted sites).

So I'm going to guess that you don't know how to search from the Start Screen, that uses Bing for Everywhere results. (Hint: Just start typing what you want.)

If Bing was as bad as you think it is, people just would not use it, and guess what, we do, without ever needing to fall back to Google.

Bing's results try to gauge the results by the terms used for technical level of detail results. This is what hard core Google users don't seem to understand, as it works better to filter results.

If you want a technical diagram for a 2005 Corvette, just typing in 'Corvette' results in a more pedestrian response, as most users aren't looking for a specific diagram, and provides more information on Corvettes.

However, adding in '2005 diagram' or more details will bring back a new level of results that are far more technical.

In this specific example, Google and Bing both do ok with the image results, but the additional Bing results are more relevant, with the Google results being a ton of amateur crappy outdated posts from forums.


I bought a new ATI 7850 this summer. Windows Update did not find it by default unlike the ATI 5750 that it replaced. It is a manual install on a Windows 7 system.

I imagine newer hardware this will become more of an issue

Mobius Enigma said,
.....

The tweak site that I followed from a Steam forum told me my games would run better with all that Microsoft bloat turned off, so I didn't even know you could search from start.

/Sarcasm!

Geezy said,
Did you actually test this 2005 Corvette search on Google? 'Cause that isn't the case. Bing sucks everywhere except in the US, and even then they had to start out by copying Google's results ( http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/02/02/google.bing.sting/ http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/...ing-uses-google-search.html ). Bing is bung.

I'd say the "except US" is debatable. I've tried using it enough times over a longer duration than most, that I just got tired of torturing myself. I cannot stand Google these days, but I'd give away a little privacy if it means I can actually find what I'm looking for...

Geezy said,
Did you actually test this 2005 Corvette search on Google? 'Cause that isn't the case. Bing sucks everywhere except in the US, and even then they had to start out by copying Google's results ( http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/02/02/google.bing.sting/ http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/...ing-uses-google-search.html ). Bing is bung.

Yes, specifically I tested it before posting, and it is a real world example I ran into not long ago. I recently did that search, and not having used Google in a long time, had to tell my friend to run the search in Bing as he couldn't find the CORRECT links.

Outside the US, depending on market, if the Corvette isn't sold as a car, the results may bring up information on battleships.

Bing still has growing to do outside the US, we know this, but for US or even UK users, it does a better job than Google, especially for novice users. (And you don't have to give Google a ton of additional information to add to your digital profile that they can use.)

Everyone forgets people are using Bing on their iPhone and Siri uses Bing EVERYWHERE. So if it really was a horrible or bad experience, there would be a lot of Apple users complaining about search or Siri in non-US markets, and most don't even realize there is a difference.

Which proves Microsoft's point with the Bing Challenge, when people don't realize they are using Bing, they tend to like it.

--------------------

As for the Bing copying Google, this was debunked a long time ago.

But if this is important to you, guess how Google started? Google didn't invent brilliant new algorithms.

Instead they initially started by copying Alta Vista results. This was so successful, they purposely obtained server space in the same complex as Alta Vista so they could monitor all the incoming/outgoing network traffic of Alta Vista's searches and worked to mimic them.

Even Google's biggest 'invention', they copied from Alta Vista.


deadonthefloor said,

The tweak site that I followed from a Steam forum told me my games would run better with all that Microsoft bloat turned off, so I didn't even know you could search from start.

/Sarcasm!

I disable that online search crap via Services.

-adrian- said,
You must have really odd hardware when still in need of "updating drivers"

Nope, graphics drivers for CCC .


The reason i have no need for bing is when i do want to find something out i am already using chrome. I Just start typing in the address bar and sorted.. Thats very rare though i finished studies and about the only thing i ever need to search for is movies, games.

Second two results on the first post were from the Ubuntu start page search, meant to replace them with the last 2 links I posted from the actual Google.com site that everyone uses when I asked him to redo the search when I noticed it didn't match my results on Debian.

Lord Method Man said,
Is there something wrong with it?

It should at least match the second part of the install process where you set language, locale and so on. Right now they don't, I thought everyone was crying for more consistency?

George P said,
....

Half of the Windows users do not even want modern on the desktop.

You can bet that the same number or more would cringe at Modern invading WinPE.

deadonthefloor said,

Half of the Windows users do not even want modern on the desktop.

You can bet that the same number or more would cringe at Modern invading WinPE.

It already has, WinPE is what loads up when you go into the new recovery mode for Windows 8 and it's all metro. They also updated the bootloader to, to match.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's more than a wording change here and there's additional info in the License Terms. Not sure if anyone is copy/pasting that out but it would be worth a check from previous License Terms. Often times there's little gems (or charcoal I guess) that everyone misses.

Maybe an update "without Bing" will be the equivalent for the "N" versions without Media Player that Microsoft has to offer Europe.

tiadimundo said,
Maybe an update "without Bing" will be the equivalent for the "N" versions without Media Player that Microsoft has to offer Europe.

I don't think they have to worry about the EU saying anything about bing being included, they don't have a search engine monopoly like they do/did with IE back then.

George P said,

I don't think they have to worry about the EU saying anything about bing being included, they don't have a search engine monopoly like they do/did with IE back then.

It wasn't about IE it was about using their position and including IE and making it impossible to replace it (at first). The EU will most certainly have an issue with them using Windows to push their search service without giving any other options.

Exactly. Under the agreement, they are required to do this for WMP and IE. But I can see why they would take preventive measures in case they get sued again by the EU, even as google basically slaps the EU in the face by bundling everything in android they possibly can and OEMs that remove it are threatened by getting kicked out of the OHA...aka google mafia club. Just another day in the google game.

Even if Bing is included, they should leave that phrase out. Reminds me of installing shareware with spyware included from years ago.

CJEric said,
I don't always use Windows. But when I do, I use Windows with Bing ! Also, the "Wow" starts now!
You forgot to add something for the "stay thirsty my friends". Assuming you are doing the Dos Eqis commercial.

people are used to it, you can barely get a google service that doesn't bundle yet another google social network you don't want.

JHBrown said,
You forgot to add something for the "stay thirsty my friends". Assuming you are doing the Dos Eqis commercial.

"Keep searching my friends"

CJEric said,
I don't always use Windows. But when I do, I use Windows with Bing ! Also, the "Wow" starts now!

im not always smart, but when i am, im nothing like you.. bing!

JHBrown said,
Even if Bing is included, they should leave that phrase out. Reminds me of installing shareware with spyware included from years ago.
At least they're being upfront about it unlike your example. But yeah, if this indicates a separate build for the EU then far better to name that version "Windows 8.1 without Bing" and leave the normal build as-is.